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2012 NFL Draft Day 3: Rounds 4-7

kiwitexansfan said:
Your trying to climb out of the water on a ladder made of water here......
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Really?

So forgetting that our last pick is in the 6th instead of the 7th makes all of my points invalid? That argueement might work if I was pushing my opinion on the players and the draft being better than GP's and mussop's. Pity that I havn't done anything like that at all.

My mistake still does not change the fact that some people think and act like they know more about the draft than the teams drafting; and if the team dares to pick agianst them than they are stupid and incompetent and have no business being in the NFL. See the rants following the Posey pick for a prime example of this, althought the raging firestorm that was the Mario pick might be the best example.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Really?

So forgetting that our last pick is in the 6th instead of the 7th makes all of my points invalid? That argueement might work if I was pushing my opinion on the players and the draft being better than GP's and mussop's. Pity that I havn't done anything like that at all.

My mistake still does not change the fact that some people think and act like they know more about the draft than the teams drafting; amd if the team dares to pick agianst them than they are stupid and incompetent and have no business being in the NFL. See the rants following the Posey pick for a prime example of this, althought the raging firestorm that was the Mario pick might be the best example.
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At the same time, you can't assume that just because NFL teams pay scouts that they are going to be infallible in their assessments. You can look at historical results of drafts and see that many times its a crapshoot for the majority of guys getting picked.

We all have access to the majority of information here. For example, there is a strong correlation between 40 yard dash and effectiveness as a starter for cornerbacks.
http://thedctimes.com/2012/03/using-40-yard-dash-to-predict-cornerback-performance-in-nfl/

We can all use that information the same
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Really?

So forgetting that our last pick is in the 6th instead of the 7th makes all of my points invalid? That argueement might work if I was pushing my opinion on the players and the draft being better than GP's and mussop's. Pity that I havn't done anything like that at all.

My mistake still does not change the fact that some people think and act like they know more about the draft than the teams drafting; and if the team dares to pick agianst them than they are stupid and incompetent and have no business being in the NFL. See the rants following the Posey pick for a prime example of this, althought the raging firestorm that was the Mario pick might be the best example.
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i think he was just saying you're wasting your time arguing with some ppl. dont worry alot more agree with you
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Really?

So forgetting that our last pick is in the 6th instead of the 7th makes all of my points invalid? That argueement might work if I was pushing my opinion on the players and the draft being better than GP's and mussop's. Pity that I havn't done anything like that at all.

My mistake still does not change the fact that some people think and act like they know more about the draft than the teams drafting; and if the team dares to pick agianst them than they are stupid and incompetent and have no business being in the NFL. See the rants following the Posey pick for a prime example of this, althought the raging firestorm that was the Mario pick might be the best example.
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Bro, I was saying your wasting your time trying to get sense through to some people.

I think everyone needs to take some time out, sheesh.
 
gtexan02 said:
At the same time, you can't assume that just because NFL teams pay scouts that they are going to be infallible in their assessments. You can look at historical results of drafts and see that many times its a crapshoot for the majority of guys getting picked.
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agreed its a crapshoot and they arent infallible by any means but when they have way more info than we do, their decisions should be better way more often than not

my problem is draftniks who act like its a terrible decision just because they havent hear or seen them. at least be informed if you dont agree with something
 
gtexan02 said:
At the same time, you can't assume that just because NFL teams pay scouts that they are going to be infallible in their assessments. You can look at historical results of drafts and see that many times its a crapshoot for the majority of guys getting picked.

We all have access to the majority of information here. For example, there is a strong correlation between 40 yard dash and effectiveness as a starter for cornerbacks.
http://thedctimes.com/2012/03/using-40-yard-dash-to-predict-cornerback-performance-in-nfl/

We can all use that information the same
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I've never said that the pros get it 100% right either, just that they have a better track record than the talking heads and the draftniks. If, and when, they don't they tend to get fired.

Fans have access to most of the physical info; height, weight, 40 time, short shuttle, etc. what we don't have access to is things like the interviews, the private workouts, the behind the scenes info that teams big up and maybe most importantly access to the all 22 film (if available for college players).

To those who correctly pointed out that I missed kiwi's point a few posts back...thanks.
 
Maddict5 said:
agreed its a crapshoot and they arent infallible by any means but when they have way more info than we do, their decisions should be better way more often than not

my problem is draftniks who act like its a terrible decision just because they havent hear or seen them. at least be informed if you dont agree with something
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I would rate the top 3 "informations" as:
1. College body of work
2. Measureables (height weight, combine performance, etc)
3. Coach evaluations

We've also got individual interviews, workouts, etc as followups.
Maybe background checks for the problem cases as well


But we have access to the top 2 just like the paid pros do. I wouldn't say they have that much more information than we do
 
beerlover said:
Texans went BPA in first after that drafted for need taking "their board" top picks @ ea. position of need.
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Its hard to se Posey being the BPA on WR at 3rd were we took him, still do you think he will play day1 or will seat behind Walter?

BTW I see a CB coming in the 6th, Rick cannot pass a draft without a CB.
 
gtexan02 said:
I would rate the top 3 "informations" as:
1. College body of work
2. Measureables (height weight, combine performance, etc)
3. Coach evaluations

We've also got individual interviews, workouts, etc as followups.
Maybe background checks for the problem cases as well


But we have access to the top 2 just like the paid pros do. I wouldn't say they have that much more information than we do
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The pros have access to tape we don't have. They can talk to the player's coaches and find out what the prospect was SUPPOSED to do on that tape as opposed to what they actually did. Some players will look worse on tape than they actually are because mistakes other players made them look bad, the scouts have the ability to find that stuff out.

They have relationships with the kids coaches. They can go back and interview HS coaches as well as their college coaches. They can talk to the kid himself.

They've got a TON more information.

They also have the evaluations of our own players and a better perspective on what we need and what we're looking for and what we're hoping to achieve.
 
gtexan02 said:
I would rate the top 3 "informations" as:
1. College body of work
2. Measureables (height weight, combine performance, etc)
3. Coach evaluations

We've also got individual interviews, workouts, etc as followups.
Maybe background checks for the problem cases as well


But we have access to the top 2 just like the paid pros do. I wouldn't say they have that much more information than we do
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cmon now i think you're selling em short

they have the all 22 view or whatever its called so they get better evaluations with that. most draftniks have their tv angles.

they have workouts (which are more important than combine measurables etc)

proper interviews (ie not your generic media ones either), background checks etc etc

its like me playing a game of poker with a pro. either of us might win because luck is always involved but its a completely diferent ballgame whats going on at both sides of the table
 
beerlover said:
Markelle Martin is still available I thought he was the 3rd or 4th best safety prospect?
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Every year for the last several, there seems to be a safety that plummets in the draft. I'm starting to get the notion that after DT, safety is one of the hardest positions to properly evaluate.

And as I typed that, Martin goes to the BESFs.
 
LOL, thanks for the neg rep Marcus. And profanity laced to boot. Hilarious :D I think you are taking this way, way too seriously. I tried to find a post of yours to respond to or even a way to PM you, but I can't even see where you've posted in this thread.

I'll happily defend what I posted before though. I feel like the NFL draft is similar to the stock market. Paid professionals have access to more information, but sometimes more information does not really translate to more knowledge. The most important piece of information out there is the college tape. While we dont' have access to the All 22, its not impossible to get a good bit of information about a player based on what we do have. Thats part of the reason that the "draftniks" process frequently results in a pretty strong simlarity to the actual draft order.

Sure an individual may only get 5-10/32 1st round picks correctly, but the majority of "1st round" guys got picked in or close to the first round.


Why you felt me saying that we have access to a lot of the information scouts do (including the combine being televised) deserved a profanity laced neg rep is beyond me. Take a chill pill, you're quickly slipping on my big board of posters I respect (thats supposed to be a joke)
 
We're on the board. Our last pick of the day. Unless they trade jacoby for a 7th or something. Hell, I'd take the last pick in the draft for him.
 
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