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Matt Schaub - Injury Prone

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JamesBill

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I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.
 
can't believe there is a thread on this.
That injury prone bulls**t was used a few years ago and that was because he coped some cheap shots in the back field. yeah he battles injuries through the year but u find me a player in the NFL who doesn't.
Schaub is not injury prone. his taken a lot of big hits and he gets up and gets on with it!
 
JamesBill said:
I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.
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How bout you let fat-ass haynesworthless roll on the back of your ankle and see how tough you are? This thread is stupid, he hasn't missed a game in three years. Moving on.
 
JamesBill said:
...and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.
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I really don't think it's possible for Schaub to be slower or less athletic. I'm still not sure why they can't stick a couple of pins in his foot and send him back out there for the playoffs.
 
This thread Shld be deleted! It is just ignorant to say that! They all get hurt! He has played thru it all! I can promise u that the one that is the most upset abt this is Matt! This is his team and his year! Layoff! Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!
 
texanfan4ever said:
this thread shld be deleted! It is just ignorant to say that! They all get hurt! He has played thru it all! I can promise u that the one that is the most upset abt this is matt! This is his team and his year! Layoff! Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!
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^^^^^^^^^^ this!!!!
 
Texanfan4ever said:
Mods can u lock this thread! We do not need this!
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This topic will continue to be discussed. Locking threads won't stop that. Schaub has missed "significant" time in 3 of his 5 seasons in Houston. Injury prone? No, there are good reasons why Schaub has gone down. Brittle? Well, he ain't Brett Favre. But, you're right in that Matt has played through some injuries. Call me crazy, but I haven't given up hope that Schaub returns for the playoffs.
 
This is one of those threads where I hope to god the players don't waste their time on these boards.

I guess it serves the purpose of letting posters expose themselves.
 
The Texans are no strangers to this injury. Earlier this season Dom Barber was lost for the season with a lisfranc fracture. Mike Brisiel missed most of the 2009 season with a similar injury as did Texans safety Glenn Earl in 2007.
http://www.examiner.com/houston-tex...e-limit-by-texans?CID=examiner_alerts_article
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In this article in the Houston Texan Examiner by Alan Burge, turns out Matts injury is nothing new for the Texans.
Good news here is that while I remember the problems Brisiel had and that he was out most of that year, I guess he's totally recoverd now and is playing better than ever these days.
 
If you're actually being honest, you'd have to say that schaub is getting old, brittle, and his skills are fading (nothing like he was last year in terms of accuracy).

We might get another 2 years from him, but still need to keep drafting QB's to groom in his stead..

TJ
 
I do not think Schaub is injury prone at all. I fully believe the problem is he has balls of steel. Schaub will stand in the pocket when anyone in their right mind would have ran by then and throw a pass as he takes a huge shot.

For example, if you watched the game last night, pay attention to Rodgers in the pocket. He has a great sense of when it is coming, and when he needs to move. It is not that Schaub does not know this, it is that he is not very mobile and knows his only hope is to stand in there and deliver. There have been people (I think it was profootball focus' rankings, but might have been elsewhere - it has been awhile) who have started to notice this too. I really believe Schaub takes some of the hardest hits you will see a QB take.
 
speedfreek said:
If you're actually being honest, you'd have to say that schaub is getting old, brittle, and his skills are fading (nothing like he was last year in terms of accuracy).

We might get another 2 years from him, but still need to keep drafting QB's to groom in his stead..

TJ
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If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0
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He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.
 
2 years ago, I would have been on board with this thread. I was as critical of his ability to stay healthy as anyone. The fact of the matter now is that he hasn't missed a game since the 2008 season.

Now, I think that the "Schaub is injury prone take" is a busted myth.


HJam72 said:
The one who's injury prone is Williams.
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Señor Stan;1828914 said:
What a craptastic thread.

Where is your Andre Johnson - Injury Prone thread?
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You can make a better case for the 2 quotes here than you can for Schaub.
 
Instead of attacking Schuab , use your energy to get behind Leinert! He needs all positive energy! Stars were made like this! This is still our year !
 
Lucky said:
This topic will continue to be discussed. Locking threads won't stop that. Schaub has missed "significant" time in 3 of his 5 seasons in Houston. Injury prone? No, there are good reasons why Schaub has gone down. Brittle? Well, he ain't Brett Favre. But, you're right in that Matt has played through some injuries. Call me crazy, but I haven't given up hope that Schaub returns for the playoffs.
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I have also not given up. The Texans' uncanny ability for being medically vague has left me hoping for the best. I might be a glutton for punishment but there are a couple things...

My brother is a local orthopedic surgeon's PPA. I broke my ankle two years ago. He took an x-ray of my foot and discovered that I had previously broken my foot not once but twice. So my going rate is 3 broken feet for me and only one put me down and that was the ankle. I never knew about the other two breaks. I remember being bothered by them when it happened but never took much notice to its severity. So... I am also wondering why they don't just put a boot on him and throw him back out there. Go to a tandem role with Leinart if need be. I'm not saying Schaub needs to nut up or anything. I still don't know the extent of his injury and his pain-level tolerances... I just hope he chooses to play football if the choice was left to him like Roethlisberger did.

As for the lisfranc rumors, I understand that LaCranfora is usually accurate with his reports but I will not hold ESPN as the holy grail. What DOES bother me is... why wait to see the specialists next week? Why not n-o-w? I don't get that one. I also don't think this is the first time the Texans have been slow to medically schedule something for...
 
JamesBill said:
I believe Schaub is a great fit here, even more so with our new found defense, dual threat backfield, and a FB that can catch. I think he is very good to great when healthy.

The reality though, he is injury prone and brittle. He has been battlefighting a hip and shoulder injury all year which is why his throws have been off. Dude is not built to last, and now he will be even slower and less athletic with a stump foot.

No matter what you believe about his ability, he is on the wrong side of 30 and has missed 5 or more games in 3 out of his 5 years as a starter. Individually they seem like freak injuries, but it is now the rule rather than the exception.
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So lets have you and every one else in this forum run a QB Sneak and then when your foot is pressing off the turf and your leg is extended we'll drop a 320 lb. D-Linemen on your foot and see how it holds up. Unless your bones are covered in Adamantium, something tells me your headed for a walking boot.
 
Texanfan4ever said:
Haynesworth was the One who cheap shotted him that took him out that Yr! Can't stand that jerk!
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Watching the replay from Sunday and it looks to me like fat-ass haynesworthless was the one that rolled up on him this time as well. Probably did it on purpose.

May his boat sink in the gulf with him on it!
 
GlassHalfFull said:
If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0
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He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.
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I saw what you did there. Rep.
 
The guy has been here for 5 years and only had 2 complete seasons.

He's 30 years old.

His completion percentage has dropped from 67.9 to 63.6 to 61.0 over the last 3 years. At this rate, he will be in the 50's next year.

This has occurred over a period of time where our running game has improved substantially along with the offensive line play. (better protection, more effective play action, etc.)

We are also facing potentially the easiest schedule in our existence, and the worst the AFC south has EVER been.

You can sit here and sunshine pump all you want, but the guy has lost a step and is averaging 12.8 games/yr in his time here with us. (it's really hard to go 12-4 if your starter misses a quarter of the season)

He also makes INEXPLICABLY boneheaded plays like throwing INT's to d-linemen on screens and having more batted balls than anyone with his height should ever have.. (that goes to his football "smarts")

But that's ok, I don't expect an aggie to know anything about good QB play. (McGee, Jerrod, Tannehill, etc. etc. etc.)

TJ

GlassHalfFull said:
If I was being honest, I would call you an *****. but the forum code won't let me.

Season Team G GS Comp Att Pct. Yds Avg TD Int Sck Sck Yrds Rate
2007 Texans 11 11 192 289 66.4 2,241 7.8 9 9 16 126 87.2
2008 Texans 11 11 251 380 66.1 3,043 8.0 15 10 23 149 92.7
2009 Texans 16 16 396 583 67.9 4,770 8.2 29 15 25 149 98.6
2010 Texans 16 16 365 574 63.6 4,370 7.6 24 12 32 226 92.0
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He is 30 years old, not at all old for a qb. Check out his starts for yourself.
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Injury prone = tendency to be injured.



Texanfan4ever said:
They all get hurt! He has played thru it all!
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No they don't and no he hasn't.

Señor Stan;1828914 said:
Where is your Andre Johnson - Injury Prone thread?
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If Andre Johnson plays the rest of the year, he will have missed 19 total games. That includes the two games they sat him for at the end of last season that he would have played if they mattered. If Schaub is out the rest of the reg season he will have missed 16 games. 16 vs 19 in almost half the time.

HJam72 said:
The one who's injury prone is Williams.
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He has a ton of nagging small injuries so he is injury prone in that regard, but at the end of this season he will STILL have missed less games than Schaub even playing one more season. He was also shut down last year along with 'Dre

Big Lou said:
So lets have you ...blah blah blah...covered in Adamantium, something tells me your headed for a walking boot.
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Plenty of other QB's manage to not get knocked out for several games in a majority of their seasons played.

Texanfan4ever said:
Instead of attacking Schuab , use your energy to get behind Leinert! He needs all positive energy! Stars were made like this! This is still our year !
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Not attacking, just being honest. Also I am all over Leinart, check my recent posts.
 
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
 
He plays with a lot of nagging injury's so his list if probably far greater than Texans are letting on. Does he have an NFL body? No. Is he athletic? No, but he doesn't have to be to run an NFL offense, especially one tailor made that addresses both Matt's strength & weakness. They paid Matt Leinart good money to be his back-up. Leinart turned down even better offers because he liked Texan situation, now lets give him a chance to see if all the practice, evaluation & development pays off so Texans don't skip a beat. :logo:
 
Rey said:
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
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yeah, it's just conversation. I don't understand the hurt peepee thing, but I guess some topics are sacred because they can be so upsetting to some folks.

Should I move this thread to the NSZ since it's so controversial? :whistle: [/sarcasm]
 
Rey said:
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
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I think people have some crazy definition of injury prone. To be injury prone you don't have to be Chad Pennington with a Jeff Bagwell shoulder. To me injury prone just means you have a tendency, history, and significant probability of missing games.

beerlover said:
He plays with a lot of nagging injury's so his list if probably far greater than Texans are letting on.
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I am convinced his drop in accuracy is due to the hip and back injuries this year. Still I don't have a problem with his performance, I have a problem with how many games he has and will miss.
 
Rey said:
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
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Everybody has their definition of what injury-prone means. For me... injury-prone is when somebody frequently comes up lame. That is not Schaub (except for the time he limped up out of bounds). I'd definitely call Mario reaching out for air and tearing a pectoral is coming up lame. Injury-prone in professional football? Eh... those are the breaks.
 
NitroGSXR said:
Everybody has their definition of what injury-prone means. For me... injury-prone is when somebody frequently comes up lame. That is not Schaub (except for the time he limped up out of bounds). I'd definitely call Mario reaching out for air and tearing a pectoral is coming up lame. Injury-prone in professional football? Eh... those are the breaks.
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Why does everyone keep bringing Mario into this conversation?

Honest Question...
 
aussie_texan said:
can't believe there is a thread on this.
That injury prone bulls**t was used a few years ago and that was because he coped some cheap shots in the back field. yeah he battles injuries through the year but u find me a player in the NFL who doesn't.
Schaub is not injury prone. his taken a lot of big hits and he gets up and gets on with it!
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Jared Effing Allen.

I got mad when at half time last night Allen and Rodgers were talking and laughing together. I hate Allen.

Then, low and behold in the second half he laid a questionably cheap shot on Rodgers. So maybe he won't be so buddy buddy next time.
 
Rey said:
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
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I think it has more to do with the timing of the post. At least to me it does. My Wheaties still have piss in them, ok. Ha

Schaub has had his share of health issues during his tenure here, but it's been 40+ games since he last missed a game.

Anywho, I'm ready to move on with 'Hot Tub'. I've talked myself into thinking there won't be a huge drop off.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I think it has more to do with the timing of the post. At least to me it does. My Wheaties still have piss in them, ok. Ha

Schaub has had his share of health issues during his tenure here, but it's been 40+ games since he last missed a game.

Anywho, I'm ready to move on with 'Hot Tub'. I've talked myself into thinking there won't be a huge drop off.
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Pretty much the bolded.

I also don't like ragging on players for getting injured. The whole tone of calling them brittle rubs me the wrong way. These guys basically are putting their future health and comfort on the line to entertain us (yes, I know they get paid for it also). Look at Earl Campbell and some of the other vets who have trouble getting around and live their retirement in pain.

Gonna start rambling here, but nobody hates getting hurt more than the players themselves. I do sideline pics at high school games, and had to watch a good friend of my son, who I love like a 2nd son, get a mcl injury early in the playoff game Sat night. The poor kid was just sobbing on the sideline, not in pain, but because he couldn't finish the game.

I just don't understand the need to criticize someone for being injured. But I also have had some significant injuries myself, so can totally sympathize with the player.
 
Rey said:
Why does everyone keep bringing Mario into this conversation?

Honest Question...
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Playing through injuries doesn't mean he's not getting injured. I think Mario belongs in the discussion as a result of his big toe. Would you prefer that I use Owen Daniels as an example?
 
What goes into a player being "injury prone"? Some guys get that label because they're are literally made of glass. Chris Chandler broke if one of his own linemen breathed on him too hard in the huddle. Other guys just run into really bad luck.

Schaub I think falls into the latter category and if he has an injury prone stigma about him it's because he's been the victim of some cheap shots and some simple bad luck. This is an injury that could have easily happened to anyone.

The question the Texans have to deal with and find an answer to is "Does it matter in the long run?". Schaub is hurt and we need to know if he'll be back this year, sometime next year, or really "ever". When he does come back (assuming the career ending talk is way premature) will he be able to to play at the same level he has been playing at? Will he have the mobility of Dan Marino without the other HOF tools? Can we even succeed with a QB who isn't as mobile as Schaub is now?

I believe that with very few exceptions the natural state of the NFL is one of constant change. Only a handful of QB's in the league are secure enough to not be upgraded if the opportunity came about or the circumstances dictated it. I think Schaub is secure enough to not have to worry about the Texans actively looking for his replacement but he could find himself in trouble if he's outplayed by someone while recovering from an injury.

I don't believe that guy is on the roster who's going to outplay Schaub "as we know him". I want Leinart to do good, great even but that's mostly wishful thinking on my part. I hope he's matured and worked hard and is ready to step up and knock the worlds socks off but I understand that is unlikely at best.

But if this injury seriously affects his already not so incredible mobility then doesn't that mean we do need to find someone? Will Leinart be a bigger drop-off than a less mobile version of Schaub in our system?

I've said a lot of times that I think Kubiak is always looking for the next QB and it's not as much a knock on Schaub as it is a acceptance of the reality of the game. I wouldn't call Schaub injury prone but he's caught some bad breaks and if this turns out badly then it might shorten his career. The Texans need to be prepared for that possibility. In that case these six games are very much an audition for Leinart and if he falls short maybe even for Yates. I think QB just entered our draft picture if neither of them gets it done.
 
Rey said:
Schaub has not been the picture of health since he's been here.

Compared to most pocket passing QB's he has watched the game from the sidelines or from home quite a bit...

I'm kind of surprised to see so many people angrily disagreeing like it's a completely ridiculous notion to say he is prone to being injured.
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I think its fair to say he has been injured more than average, but it only takes a couple of hits to skew your average very quickly. Many injuries are situational and the strongest person on the planet couldn't do sh*t about them. (As an example would you say that Charles Spencer is injury prone?, but he's not playing is he) There are times when someone tougher would withstand an injury others would not, but when 300+ lbs. falls on your foot the way it appears this happened, theres not much anyone can do.
 
Lucky said:
I really don't think it's possible for Schaub to be slower or less athletic. I'm still not sure why they can't stick a couple of pins in his foot and send him back out there for the playoffs.
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Wow!
 
I hate the "injury prone" label. It's stupid. Very few football players are prone to injury more than others. Matt Schaub is no more likely to be injured than any other pocket QB. It's not like he has calcium deficiency and brittle bones. It's not even like he has big guys hitting him every play, like many other positions on the field. So stop with the label already. They're all football players and they all get pounded.

That said, it's ridiculous to blast the observation that, in point of fact, Matt Schaub will have missed 16 games in the past 5 seasons by the end of this one.
 
eriadoc said:
I hate the "injury prone" label. It's stupid. Very few football players are prone to injury more than others.
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Agreed. I think the only time it should be used if at all is where a player has had repetitive injuries to the same body part. That and multiple concussions.

It just makes no sense to associate say DeMeco's elbow injury to his prior achilles injury.
 
infantrycak said:
Agreed. I think the only time it should be used if at all is where a player has had repetitive injuries to the same body part. That and multiple concussions.

It just makes no sense to associate say DeMeco's elbow injury to his prior achilles injury.
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Great illustration. Yao Ming is injury prone. Matt Schaub is not.
 
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