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AJ out a few weeks, has procedure

Hookem Horns

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This is currently a link headline on SI.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/?eref=sinav&sct=hp_nv_a

The 3-1 Texans are reportedly concerned that Johnson could miss a few games, with his status for Week 5 very much in jeopardy.

Hamstring injuries are notoriously fickle and can be long-lasting, depending on the severity. They are especially difficult for an athlete like Johnson, who relies so much on his speed and leaping ability.
Though the link says this I am not getting that vibe with the linked article. I don't see where the Texans are expecting him to out a few weeks.
 
Hamstrings are tricky, so yeah.

If I had to GUESS, expect Dre to be a GTD for Tennessee and get held out, then be full throttle for JAX.
 

ziggy29

Veteran
Yeah, hammies are tough to deal with because if you come back before it's really 100% it will nag you all season. You're likely to keep aggravating it or injure something else while compensating for it.

Get well soon, AJ!
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
Get him Cushing's old Hyperbaric chamber to recover faster! And for the love of god, don't let him practice for two weeks! No need to jog or run or anything the first week. Rest, rest and more rest.
 

thunderkyss

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This is currently a link headline on SI.com

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/?eref=sinav&sct=hp_nv_a



Though the link says this I am not getting that vibe with the linked article. I don't see where the Texans are expecting him to out a few weeks.
I think that's just a preliminary report. It says his status for week 5 is in Jeopardy..... doesn't say what the nature of the injury is.

last night Kubiak said we think it's a hammy, but until they get the MRI, it could be an ACL....... the way he grabed his knee, it looks to me like it is an ACL or a completely disconnected Hamstring.
 

gtexan02

Working?
I think that's just a preliminary report. It says his status for week 5 is in Jeopardy..... doesn't say what the nature of the injury is.

last night Kubiak said we think it's a hammy, but until they get the MRI, it could be an ACL....... the way he grabed his knee, it looks to me like it is an ACL or a completely disconnected Hamstring.
Given the way he was moving around on the sideline after the game I'd say ACL or complete tear of hamstring have got to be almost no probability
 

Corrosion

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Given the way he was moving around on the sideline after the game I'd say ACL or complete tear of hamstring have got to be almost no probability
Lets hope you are right ..... I dont want to think about this offense going without AJ .....
 
I think that's just a preliminary report. It says his status for week 5 is in Jeopardy..... doesn't say what the nature of the injury is.

last night Kubiak said we think it's a hammy, but until they get the MRI, it could be an ACL....... the way he grabed his knee, it looks to me like it is an ACL or a completely disconnected Hamstring.
according to the doctors on 610 this morning, AJ grabbed the back of his leg/knee area, not the front of the knee, in which the hamstring does comedown that far into the lower leg where the tendons are.

just have to see the results of the MRI....
 

ziggy29

Veteran
Given the way he was moving around on the sideline after the game I'd say ACL or complete tear of hamstring have got to be almost no probability
This is my thought. I've torn an ACL and I'm pretty sure that if the trainers felt unnatural movement between upper leg and lower leg that indicated a total tear, they wouldn't have allowed him to use any of his own power to get off the field and stand on the sidelines. Could be wrong, but I can't see the medical staff allowing that if their assessment included a high possibility of a total tear.
 

Marcus

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AJ has been injured many times over the past nine seasons. And each time, when have they EVER been completely forthcoming about his injury. And when have they EVER released the results of his MRI?

There's something else going on besides a "pulled hammy"

I don't expect him back, and completely effective until the JAX game . . . . in week 12 after the buy week.
 

EllisUnit

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AJ has been injured many times over the past nine seasons. And each time, when have they EVER been completely forthcoming about his injury. And when have they EVER released the results of his MRI?

There's something else going on besides a "pulled hammy"

I don't expect him back, and completely effective until the JAX game . . . . in week 12 after the buy week.
well if thats the case we had better bring someone in to replace him until hes ready to go. PLUs i dont believe non of this B.S said until i hear it officially from A.J and half believe it if its from the Texans FO.
 

Hervoyel

BUENO!
AJ has been injured many times over the past nine seasons. And each time, when have they EVER been completely forthcoming about his injury. And when have they EVER released the results of his MRI?

There's something else going on besides a "pulled hammy"

I don't expect him back, and completely effective until the JAX game . . . . in week 12 after the buy week.

I agree. When the Texans talk about an AJ injury and tell you absolutely nothing in the process you take it with a grain of salt. When they do that and work "second opinion" into the story then all bets are off.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-still-unsure-of-extent-of-Andre-Johnson-s-2200616.php
 

HOU-TEX

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Kubiak said they were getting a second opinion and won't know for a day or two. He doesn't know if it's 3-4 days or a couple weeks.

I guess they don't understand that most fans are still holding their collective breaths since AJ went down like he was shot in the leg. Tell us something, damn. Reassure us he's not out for the season....something
 

False Start

On # 69
Kubiak said they were getting a second opinion and won't know for a day or two. He doesn't know if it's 3-4 days or a couple weeks.

I guess they don't understand that most fans are still holding their collective breaths since AJ went down like he was shot in the leg. Tell us something, damn. Reassure us he's not out for the season....something
No doubt, I was keeping an eye on the clock at work today to listen to the presser.

I expect maybe three weeks. The way Kubiak was talking it didn't seem like its catastrophic. But then again, nobody knows nothin right now.
 

gtexan02

Working?
Gary said:
You don't replace Andre Johnson," Kubiak said. "Others have to pick it up the way they did Sunday. If he's going to miss some time, the other players will really have to stick up."
:spit:

You mean 0 catches for 0 yards?
 

welsh texan

You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Lots of hamstring issues on the squad this year. Just wondering, with hammy's a lot of it is about how well you warm up and training, a lot is linked to the back and such from the hamstring so its extremely important to be warmed up really well to stop this kind of injury.

With that in mind;

Is it bad luck? Or are our S&C trainers failing in their job?

Second point is; Who takes over the #1 spot at this point. Kevin Walter is #2, does he step up? Or do we slide Jacoby into the #1 as his size/speed creates better matchups even if his hands aren't as good.

No matter what, Jacoby hasn't done much so far this season, especially if you remove his PR duty from the equation, its time for him to step up big or we're sunk, lucky we're on the easiest schedule I can remember.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Given the way he was moving around on the sideline after the game I'd say ACL or complete tear of hamstring have got to be almost no probability
A person can surprisingly walk with little noticeable limp with a complete tendon avulsion (without the typical significant flexion of the knee), especially if it involves a distal avulsion and even more likely if it involves only one of the distal hamstring muscle tendon groups (medial or lateral) attached to the tibia and fibula. The only time you may see a noticeable problem is when a person with this type of injury tries to walk downhill.

 

ziggy29

Veteran
Kubiak said they were getting a second opinion and won't know for a day or two. He doesn't know if it's 3-4 days or a couple weeks.
I'd be thrilled if "worst case" was a couple weeks. A garden variety hamstring pull usually needs 2-3 weeks minimum. And sometimes it takes longer, especially if you wait until you know the guy is 100%, because anything less than that just makes re-aggravating the injury very likely and leave him at less than 100% for the rest of the season.
 

kiwitexansfan

Hall of Fame
I'll take 3-4 weeks.

As long as we aren't talking season ending I'm happy.

One thing Kubiak can do is generate some offense and as long as the majority of Foster, Tate, Casey, Walter, Jones, Daniels and Dreesen are near 100% I think we'll manage for those 3-4 weeks.

:koolaid:
 

Rey

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Andre was the only WR to catch a ball on Sunday.

I think we can still be productive without him, but it will be a struggle. Matt's not good enough to greatly raise the level of of play of his receivers and we don't have anyone close to Andre's talent level.

That is going to put a lot of pressure oneveryone else, OD and Arian in particular. It will also put a lot of pressure on the playcalling.
 

Naiirb

Rookie
If his injury is really serious i don't expect him back till after the bye week. That should give him 7 weeks to heal up and get ready to make a some serious noise in the playoffs. *fingers crossed he'll only miss a few games
 

gtexan02

Working?
A person can surprisingly walk with little noticeable limp with a complete tendon avulsion (without the typical significant flexion of the knee), especially if it involves a distal avulsion and even more likely if it involves only one of the distal hamstring muscle tendon groups (medial or lateral) attached to the tibia and fibula. The only time you may see a noticeable problem is when a person with this type of injury tries to walk downhill.

I wasn't so much discussing the possibility/probability that he could do it, only that it would seem like there would be no chance that a professional sports training staff would allow a player to go back to the sidelines without any sort of brace/support/etc if there was an injury that severe.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
No doubt, I was keeping an eye on the clock at work today to listen to the presser.

I expect maybe three weeks. The way Kubiak was talking it didn't seem like its catastrophic. But then again, nobody knows nothing right now.
He said that he could be back in a few days or a few weeks..........will get some additional 2nd opinions.

This makes me think that the 2nd opinions are to determine whether to take a non-surgical vs surgical approach. In other words, I believe that the MRI may have already identified a subtotal tear or complete tear/avulsion of the distal hamstring tendon (or the PCL). With a distal hamstring avulsion, there has been controversy whether to surgically repair or not.

Most hamstring tears/avulsions occur more proximal as in this illustration.




(See my previous post showing the distal hamstring tendon attachments.)

One study published in the past few years reported on elite athletes with this type of injury. They found that in the nonoperative treatment group (12), 7 players recovered at an average of 10.4 weeks (range, 3-35). Five of these players (42%) failed initial nonoperative treatment (mean, 16.8 weeks) and subsequently had surgery to resect the torn tendon and surrounding scar tissue. These 5 players recovered at an average of 12.8 weeks postoperatively. In the acute [immediate] surgery group, 5 players had surgery to resect the torn tendon and scar tissue within 4 weeks of injury. The acute-phase group had an average recovery of 6.8 weeks after surgery.

I believe that this is possibly the dilemma facing AJ and the organization. Making a decision that at least gets him back before the end of the season or playoffs.

There is no mention of the PCL, but let's say that if the PCL has theoretically been shown to be completely torn, a little different situation exists but with similar decision quandary. Surgical reconstruction of the PCL is controversial, and usually only recommended for grade III PCL tears. Because of the technical difficulty of the surgery, some orthopedic surgeons do not see the benefit of PCL reconstruction. Others, however, believe PCL reconstruction can lead to improved knee stability and lower the likelihood of problems down the road. Non-surgical rehab can take 6-8 weeks........Surgical rehab 6 months.

Again, let me emphasize that I have no access to the findings, physical or radiological. But if this were just a straight forward "minor" hamstring problems, I don't believe that there would be need for several 2nd opinions.

Let me leave you with this article that appeared after an MRI was obtained in 2007 following AJ's PCL/MCL injury. You might want to compare some of the wording.

Sprained knee may keep Johnson out vs. Colts

By Megan Manfull - Houston Chronicle

Andre Johnson, who hurt his left knee Sunday against the Carolina Panthers, is doubtful to play for the Texans when the team plays the Indianapolis Colts this Sunday at Reliant Stadium. The Texans had an MRI done on Johnson's knee Monday morning and it revealed a sprain.

"I would say that he is doubtful for that football game," Kubiak said. "We'll know more in the next couple of days. There was no swelling, but there's definitely a sprain there. It's a concern right now."

The initial diagnosis was that Johnson had strained his posterior cruciate ligament. He hurt it during a big hit that followed his last catch a 10-yard grab with 11:58 to go in the game.

"He has a knee sprain," Kubiak said. "That's the good news and the bad news. We feel fortunate. Andre is going to be fine. Is he going to be fine in one week? Or is he going to be fine in four weeks? We're still in the evaluation stage. We don't know."

Johnson currently ranks fourth in the league with 262 receiving yards on 14 catches. The next most productive receiver on the team is rookie Jacoby Jones with 33 receiving yards on two catches. Kevin Walter has two catches for 17 yards.

If Johnson can't go on Sunday, Andre' Davis will be activated.
AJ ending up missing 7 games..........
 

steelbtexan

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Why would you let someone as obviously hurt as AJ was try to give it a go. (You can only do more damage to the hamstring.) The Texans medical staff is at it again.
 

drunkcookie

2 drunk 2 cook
The Chron is saying they are looking for a second opinion and won't know the severity of the injury for a couple of days. That doesn't sound good, as in they didn't like what they heard the first time around hoping someone else can give a more positive diagnosis.

http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Texans-still-evaluating-severity-of-Andre-2200616.php
It could mean that, or that they're trying to be more careful...

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steelbtexan

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He said that he could be back in a few days or a few weeks..........will get some additional 2nd opinions.

This makes me think that the 2nd opinions are to determine whether to take a non-surgical vs surgical approach. In other words, I believe that the MRI may have already identified a subtotal tear or complete tear/avulsion of the distal hamstring tendon (or the PCL). With a distal hamstring avulsion, there has been controversy whether to surgically repair or not.

Most hamstring tears/avulsions occur more proximal as in this illustration.




(See my previous post showing the distal hamstring tendon attachments.)

One study published in the past few years reported on elite athletes with this type of injury. They found that in the nonoperative treatment group (12), 7 players recovered at an average of 10.4 weeks (range, 3-35). Five of these players (42%) failed initial nonoperative treatment (mean, 16.8 weeks) and subsequently had surgery to resect the torn tendon and surrounding scar tissue. These 5 players recovered at an average of 12.8 weeks postoperatively. In the acute [immediate] surgery group, 5 players had surgery to resect the torn tendon and scar tissue within 4 weeks of injury. The acute-phase group had an average recovery of 6.8 weeks after surgery.

I believe that this is possibly the dilemma facing AJ and the organization. Making a decision that at least gets him back before the end of the season or playoffs.

There is no mention of the PCL, but let's say that if the PCL has theoretically been shown to be completely torn, a little different situation exists but with similar decision quandary. Surgical reconstruction of the PCL is controversial, and usually only recommended for grade III PCL tears. Because of the technical difficulty of the surgery, some orthopedic surgeons do not see the benefit of PCL reconstruction. Others, however, believe PCL reconstruction can lead to improved knee stability and lower the likelihood of problems down the road. Non-surgical rehab can take 6-8 weeks........Surgical rehab 6 months.

Again, let me emphasize that I have no access to the findings, physical or radiological. But if this were just a straight forward "minor" hamstring problems, I don't believe that there would be need for several 2nd opinions.

Let me leave you with this article that appeared after an MRI was obtained in 2007 following AJ's PCL/MCL injury. You might want to compare some of the wording.



AJ ending up missing 7 games..........
What's that flushing sound I'm hearing?
 

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
If his injury is really serious i don't expect him back till after the bye week. That should give him 7 weeks to heal up and get ready to make a some serious noise in the playoffs. *fingers crossed he'll only miss a few
thats if we can string together enough offense to make the play-offs. Our D has improved but i dont think so much that we can ride them to the play-offs. If it isnt one thing its another. Its like one of those dreams where ur running to the light in the end of the tunnel and no matter how fast you run the end of the tunnel keeps getting farther and farther away. :vincepalm:
 

False Start

On # 69
thats if we can string together enough offense to make the play-offs. Our D has improved but i dont think so much that we can ride them to the play-offs. If it isnt one thing its another. Its like one of those dreams where ur running to the light in the end of the tunnel and no matter how fast you run the end of the tunnel keeps getting farther and farther away. :vincepalm:
Before the season started I was talking about how the stars are lining up just right for the Texans. I told my brother, "watch some bullshit will happen like AJ will get injured, and screw the Texans season up." I should of just kept my mouth shut, lol. I hope thats not the case though, if so I'll go all Florida Evans.

 

EllisUnit

Vote RED!!!
Before the season started I was talking about how the stars are lining up just right for the Texans. I told my brother, "watch some bullshit will happen like AJ will get injured, and screw the Texans season up." I should of just kept my mouth shut, lol. I hope thats not the case though, if so I'll go all Florida Evans.

haha well IMO we have a good enough team to survive, but i think thats about it. We have depended on AJ for far to long and have never really tried to address the issue of a solid #2. If anything the FO is to blame for this.
 

Dutchrudder

Hall of Fame
Suppose we lost AJ for 7 games, 8 weeks total, and he comes back week 13 after the Jags game. If we were to go 3-4 down that stretch, we would be 6-5 with 5 games to go. Not out of it yet at that point, and going 4-1 with him back, would still get us to 10-6. Still plenty of hope left!
 

False Start

On # 69
Suppose we lost AJ for 7 games, 8 weeks total, and he comes back week 13 after the Jags game. If we were to go 3-4 down that stretch, we would be 6-5 with 5 games to go. Not out of it yet at that point, and going 4-1 with him back, would still get us to 10-6. Still plenty of hope left!
I think they will be able to hang, but not be REALLY bad ass like they could be with AJ. I want to see them kick someones ass, lol. It would be sad to not have AJ for the first playoff appearance. I still have hope either way. :texflag:
 

Shaft75

All Pro
I'm a huge Dre supporter, and I get why everyone could be dejected... BUT...

This isn't the same Texans team from a couple of years ago. We have a really nice rushing attack and a defense that can keep us in games.

Keep holding your head high guys and gals. We got a team.
 

thunderkyss

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If Aj is going to miss the next 8 weeks (fingers crossed) I really think the only game to worry about is Baltimore.
Raiders: We can beat them without Aj, this is a coaching game. Kubiak should be able to beat these guys.

Baltimore: We're going to need our A game with Andre to win this game.

Tennessee: @ Titland: I know that they aren't as helpless as we've been saying, but these guys don't scare me. The only thing that worries me about them is that they can win 10 games against their schedule, even if we sweep them.

JagUars: I think we got this game @ home

Cleveland: Not necessarily an easy game, so far #4 against the pass # 25 against the run.... I think Gary can put together a game plan to take advantage of our strengths & their weaknesses.

TampaBay: I think we're better than these guys. They're streaky, but I think we can beat them. Either way, it's not guaranteed that we can't win without Andre.

Bye

JagUars: @ TarpStadium... I think we've got a chance to win this game.

Those teams on our schedule without Andre, only makes them more competitive & more dependent on Kubiak's gametime decisions.

Nothing to worry about.
 
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