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Mario IS Improving At His New Position

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The progress was subtle but arguably significant. Although Mario Williams was again less than dazzling against the Saints in his new role as an edge-rushing outside linebacker, he did make meaningful strides against the Saints compared to his debut against the Jets Monday night.

This time, Williams seemed modestly comfortable, even in coverage. He almost had an interception and, when Antonio Smith separated Drew Brees from the football with New Orleans sitting on a first-and-goal at the Texans' 4, Williams was in the right place at the right time to recover the fumble. Demarcus Ware he isn't yet – never mind Lawrence Taylor - but, if you watched him closely, you detected plenty of improvement.

For the most part, tenaciousness trumped tentativeness. Williams' performance deserves to be rewarded with a measure of patience from Houston's anxious fans.

"Over time, it's going to become more second nature for me," Williams said. "I didn't realize it was going to be this different. Tonight I felt like I ran around a little better, but I've still got to remember to bend a lot more. I'm so tall, I've got to concentrate on getting lower. Once I do, I think I'll be a lot more fluid."

Williams is listed at 6-6 but, as he works on transitioning to a completely foreign way of playing, he says he feels "like I'm 6-8. I think I must be growing."

He has been going after the quarterback out of a three-point stance "my whole life," he said. "But, with the situation we have right now, changing defenses, it's just something I got to work hard at. My weight needs to be forward. I can't have any false steps. I need to be more efficient standing up. It's something that's completely new for me. I never had to worry about standing up before.

"But I felt better tonight, definitely, from the first night."

More is arguably being asked of Williams, a former Pro Bowler as a defensive end in a 4-3 set, than any other player on the roster. But he has selflessly bought into new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' program.

"I have full faith in what (Phillips) is telling everybody to do, including myself," he said. "It will get done. I'm not worried about it."
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...shows-improvement-at-new-position-2134436.php
 
I'm just saying..... Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, & Jesse Nading seem to be handling the position change........ better.

So are JJWatt, Antonio Smith, & Tim Jamison...

I'm just saying.

A Playmaker would have caught that ball even though he had a fat man rolling up on his knees..
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just saying..... Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, & Jesse Nading seem to be handling the position change........ better.

So are JJWatt, Antonio Smith, & Tim Jamison...

I'm just saying.

A Playmaker would have caught that ball even though he had a fat man rolling up on his knees..
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Mario isnt playing his natural position its going to take a little time for him to get adjusted I thought he looked a lot more at ease last night. As far as brooks and nading im glad they are shining for depth but you have to remeber they are playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
 
The title of this thread made me chuckle when I remembered the skits Dana Carvey used to do when he was playing George H.W. Bush.

He would say: "Dan Quayle----still. gaining. acceptance."
 
Williams should at least be given until the first few weeks of the regular season to show a huge improvement JMO.
 
srrono said:
As far as brooks and nading im glad they are shining for depth but you have to remeber they are playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
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No, that will go unmentioned because it doesn't support their position. Mario would have been dominated by Jordan Black, too.
 
I would take Mario's word and the sports writers rather than just our own on the MB and if he has a great year then I hope they will re-sign him somehow.
 
Mario looked like he was in coverage a lot and I thought he did well there. Plenty of pressure on the QB was given. You can't rush everybody. Confusing to opponents not to see Mario bull rush. Sort of like a decoy.
 
I honestly can't understand a sizable portion of people who watch Texans football and post on this board about their observations. Is it that hard to understand that these guys aren't robots and they all have their own learning curve? Do you think Wade would put Mario in that position he thought he couldn't succeed in? It is a rare situation where a player can change their position where they have played their entire career at and expect them to instantly understand their new position after 2 preseason games and a very short off-season. I would imagine y'all are the same people who submit resumes for NFL head coaching vacancies based on the 19-0 season of your franchise mode in Madden.

I find it funny that the same people that are trashing Mario after 3 QUARTERS OF PRESEASON PLAY for being average, are not giving Quin any credit for his seamless transition to safety. (Did you see that guy flying around out there?)

I'm not saying that Mario will be the long term answer for the Texans. I don't know that yet. What I am saying is that Mario is a unique athletic talent, and can we all agree to wait until at least the regular season to judge him?

For all you doubters, keep in mind that Wade hasn't even dialed up any of his exotic (or regular) blitz packages. What do you think is going to happen when we get a mismatch on Mario and the secondary can cover their man 1 to 2 seconds longer than last year?

You guys can be unreasonable and freak out about games that don't matter on a message board as you slam Tab in your parents garage, but I'm going to reserve judgment until the regular season.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just saying..... Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, & Jesse Nading seem to be handling the position change........ better.

So are JJWatt, Antonio Smith, & Tim Jamison...

I'm just saying.

A Playmaker would have caught that ball even though he had a fat man rolling up on his knees..
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Conor barwin isn't doing anything vs the run or pass.
 
I have been pleased with the olb play in general and I though Mario looked good all things considered. Not sure what the complaints are about.
 
srrono said:
Mario isnt playing his natural position its going to take a little time for him to get adjusted I thought he looked a lot more at ease last night. As far as brooks and nading im glad they are shining for depth but you have to remeber they are playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
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Neither is Brooks Reed playing his natural position and even if he's not going against starters, he's got like 3 sacks so far and how many does Mario have ? Right ! Just watch Reed, he's got the quicks, the explosiveness that Mario just doesn't have.
 
srrono said:
Mario isnt playing his natural position its going to take a little time for him to get adjusted I thought he looked a lot more at ease last night. As far as brooks and nading im glad they are shining for depth but you have to remeber they are playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
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Shouldn't we expect our ones to make plays going against other ones?

I mean if our 2s are making plays against 2s, wouldn't it stand to reason our 1s would make plays against 1s?



Fine. lets just ignore that stupid way of thinking. Lets get a little more real.

In what aspect of the game do you think Mario is excelling at? Or can you direct me to one instance where his playmaking ability has shown itself?

Just so there is no misunderstanding here, click on my username there to the left & try to find one negative word about Mario outside this thread. I guarantee you won't find it. I've been one of his biggest supporters since day one. I'm also one of those guys who think it's stupid/crazy to be talking about trading him now.

Excuse me, if I'm not ready to sing his praises as an OLB, when he has given us nothing to sing about.

I want to get behind Wade's decision, just like most of you do. But I'm not going the Emporer has new clothes route. When I see something worth praising, I'll let you know.

Until then, I'd appreciate anybody pointing out to me the praise worthy aspects of the 280lb LB.
 
the more i think about it, the less I like it. a 6'6 290 lb with no burst standing up is not going to work. the guy is not demarcus ware and we need to stop thinking he could be. the FO did what they did and drafted watt, now lets play that hand and let mario take smith's spot.
 
I'm willing to give this experiment some time but personally I think there are 2 players out of position, Mario and Cushing. I would have put Mario on one end and let Watt/Smith platoon the other with Watt occasionally going NT. Then I would have Cushing on one of the OLB, I think one of Cushing's true gifts is hunting down the QB. Have Sharpton man one of the ILB beside Ryans. And I think Reed will eventually platoon with Barwin and might just take over the starting spot sometime this season.
 
I think I agree as much as I haven't seen anything special yet. But I dont know that im ready to give up yet either. The season is about to start, so I dont know how many more changes we want to make. Id actually feel better about trading Reed for Barwin in the starting line up. Mario & Smith are proven playmakers you dont take them off the field.
 
gary said:
The progress was subtle but arguably significant. Although Mario Williams was again less than dazzling against the Saints in his new role as an edge-rushing outside linebacker, he did make meaningful strides against the Saints compared to his debut against the Jets Monday night.

This time, Williams seemed modestly comfortable, even in coverage. He almost had an interception and, when Antonio Smith separated Drew Brees from the football with New Orleans sitting on a first-and-goal at the Texans' 4, Williams was in the right place at the right time to recover the fumble. Demarcus Ware he isn't yet – never mind Lawrence Taylor - but, if you watched him closely, you detected plenty of improvement.

For the most part, tenaciousness trumped tentativeness. Williams' performance deserves to be rewarded with a measure of patience from Houston's anxious fans.

"Over time, it's going to become more second nature for me," Williams said. "I didn't realize it was going to be this different. Tonight I felt like I ran around a little better, but I've still got to remember to bend a lot more. I'm so tall, I've got to concentrate on getting lower. Once I do, I think I'll be a lot more fluid."

Williams is listed at 6-6 but, as he works on transitioning to a completely foreign way of playing, he says he feels "like I'm 6-8. I think I must be growing."

He has been going after the quarterback out of a three-point stance "my whole life," he said. "But, with the situation we have right now, changing defenses, it's just something I got to work hard at. My weight needs to be forward. I can't have any false steps. I need to be more efficient standing up. It's something that's completely new for me. I never had to worry about standing up before.

"But I felt better tonight, definitely, from the first night."

More is arguably being asked of Williams, a former Pro Bowler as a defensive end in a 4-3 set, than any other player on the roster. But he has selflessly bought into new defensive coordinator Wade Phillips' program.
"I have full faith in what (Phillips) is telling everybody to do, including myself," he said. "It will get done. I'm not worried about it."
http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...shows-improvement-at-new-position-2134436.php
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Can you really say he's selflessly bought into this when all reports indicate he pitched a fit about being a 3-4 DE?
 
srrono said:
Mario isnt playing his natural position its going to take a little time for him to get adjusted I thought he looked a lot more at ease last night. As far as brooks and nading im glad they are shining for depth but you have to remeber they are playing against 2nd and 3rd teamers.
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Shouldn't we expect our ones to make plays going against other ones?

I mean if our 2s are making plays against 2s, wouldn't it stand to reason our 1s would make plays against 1s?



Fine. lets just ignore that stupid way of thinking. Lets get a little more real.

In what aspect of the game do you think Mario is excelling at? Or can you direct me to one instance where his playmaking ability has shown itself?

Just so there is no misunderstanding here, click on my username there to the left & try to find one negative word about Mario outside this thread. I guarantee you won't find it. I've been one of his biggest supporters since day one. I'm also one of those guys who think it's stupid/crazy to be talking about trading him now.

Excuse me, if I'm not ready to sing his praises as an OLB, when he has given us nothing to sing about.

I want to get behind Wade's decision, just like most of you do. But I'm not going the Emporer has new clothes route. When I see something worth praising, I'll let you know.

Until then, I'd appreciate anybody pointing out to me the praise worthy aspects of the 280lb LB.
 
House of Pain said:
I honestly can't understand a sizable portion of people who watch Texans football and post on this board about their observations. Is it that hard to understand that these guys aren't robots and they all have their own learning curve? Do you think Wade would put Mario in that position he thought he couldn't succeed in? It is a rare situation where a player can change their position where they have played their entire career at and expect them to instantly understand their new position after 2 preseason games and a very short off-season. I would imagine y'all are the same people who submit resumes for NFL head coaching vacancies based on the 19-0 season of your franchise mode in Madden.

I find it funny that the same people that are trashing Mario after 3 QUARTERS OF PRESEASON PLAY for being average, are not giving Quin any credit for his seamless transition to safety. (Did you see that guy flying around out there?)

I'm not saying that Mario will be the long term answer for the Texans. I don't know that yet. What I am saying is that Mario is a unique athletic talent, and can we all agree to wait until at least the regular season to judge him?

For all you doubters, keep in mind that Wade hasn't even dialed up any of his exotic (or regular) blitz packages. What do you think is going to happen when we get a mismatch on Mario and the secondary can cover their man 1 to 2 seconds longer than last year?

You guys can be unreasonable and freak out about games that don't matter on a message board as you slam Tab in your parents garage, but I'm going to reserve judgment until the regular season.
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Good post. Repped.
Think deeply about this train of thought. In essence, those who are saying Mario won't ever cut it at OLB are tacitly saying Wade doesn't know WTH he's doing because he shouldn't have put Mario in a position to fail.

I mean, if Wade didn't think Mario could make a successful transition, then why didn't he leave Mario at DE (where he is a pro bowl level player) and draft the best pass-rushing OLB with that first pick? It's obvious that this was Wade's draft. He could have done whatever he thought necessary. And it seems to me that leaving Mario and Antonio at DE and then picking up a speed-rushing OLB (say a Braman-type who's played the position all through college) would have been a sound draft strategy also. If opposing offenses double Mario then the speed guy gets thru, if they double the speed guy, then Mario gets thru.... But that's just me.

So if Wade thinks Mario can be (is?) a key component to his defensive plans at OLB that's good enough for me. While, as I said above, my strategy would have been different, I'm not going to pretend I know more about creating successful defenses than Wade does. After all, so far, it seems to be working.
 
thunderkyss said:
Shouldn't we expect our ones to make plays going against other ones?

I mean if our 2s are making plays against 2s, wouldn't it stand to reason our 1s would make plays against 1s?



Fine. lets just ignore that stupid way of thinking. Lets get a little more real.

In what aspect of the game do you think Mario is excelling at? Or can you direct me to one instance where his playmaking ability has shown itself?

Just so there is no misunderstanding here, click on my username there to the left & try to find one negative word about Mario outside this thread. I guarantee you won't find it. I've been one of his biggest supporters since day one. I'm also one of those guys who think it's stupid/crazy to be talking about trading him now.

Excuse me, if I'm not ready to sing his praises as an OLB, when he has given us nothing to sing about.

I want to get behind Wade's decision, just like most of you do. But I'm not going the Emporer has new clothes route. When I see something worth praising, I'll let you know.

Until then, I'd appreciate anybody pointing out to me the praise worthy aspects of the 280lb LB.
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Mario got good pressure on brees a few times. He hasn't gotten the sacks, but over the course of an entire game, or an entire season the sacks will come.

He does not look god awful in his little zone drops, and he set the edge better in the run game last night.

Danieal manning hasn't made any plays either. But I think he too will prove worthy over the course of the season.

What situations do you think Mario should have played better? Do you think that he looks terrible out there?
 
Rey said:
What situations do you think Mario should have played better? Do you think that he looks terrible out there?
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There are lots of things he could do better. I don't think he looks godawful... I just don't think he has done anything to warrant a "Mario IS improving at his new position" thread.


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thunderkyss said:
There are lots of things he could do better. I don't think he looks godawful... I just don't think he has done anything to warrant a "Mario IS improving at his new position" thread.


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I see this way. You got a guy that's been writing right-handed all his life. Now you're making him write left-handed. It's gonna be a while before his penmanship is back to where it was when he was writing right-handed.
 
House of Pain said:
I honestly can't understand a sizable portion of people who watch Texans football and post on this board about their observations. Is it that hard to understand that these guys aren't robots and they all have their own learning curve? Do you think Wade would put Mario in that position he thought he couldn't succeed in? It is a rare situation where a player can change their position where they have played their entire career at and expect them to instantly understand their new position after 2 preseason games and a very short off-season. I would imagine y'all are the same people who submit resumes for NFL head coaching vacancies based on the 19-0 season of your franchise mode in Madden.

I find it funny that the same people that are trashing Mario after 3 QUARTERS OF PRESEASON PLAY for being average, are not giving Quin any credit for his seamless transition to safety. (Did you see that guy flying around out there?)

I'm not saying that Mario will be the long term answer for the Texans. I don't know that yet. What I am saying is that Mario is a unique athletic talent, and can we all agree to wait until at least the regular season to judge him?

For all you doubters, keep in mind that Wade hasn't even dialed up any of his exotic (or regular) blitz packages. What do you think is going to happen when we get a mismatch on Mario and the secondary can cover their man 1 to 2 seconds longer than last year?

You guys can be unreasonable and freak out about games that don't matter on a message board as you slam Tab in your parents garage, but I'm going to reserve judgment until the regular season.
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I think most people on here are more concerned about the team as a whole winning than they are about MW's play at OLB. If his play at OLB is lacking, then there's legitimate reasons to question the move.

ObsiWan said:
Good post. Repped.
Think deeply about this train of thought. In essence, those who are saying Mario won't ever cut it at OLB are tacitly saying Wade doesn't know WTH he's doing because he shouldn't have put Mario in a position to fail.

I mean, if Wade didn't think Mario could make a successful transition, then why didn't he leave Mario at DE (where he is a pro bowl level player) and draft the best pass-rushing OLB with that first pick? It's obvious that this was Wade's draft. He could have done whatever he thought necessary. And it seems to me that leaving Mario and Antonio at DE and then picking up a speed-rushing OLB (say a Braman-type who's played the position all through college) would have been a sound draft strategy also. If opposing offenses double Mario then the speed guy gets thru, if they double the speed guy, then Mario gets thru.... But that's just me.

So if Wade thinks Mario can be (is?) a key component to his defensive plans at OLB that's good enough for me. While, as I said above, my strategy would have been different, I'm not going to pretend I know more about creating successful defenses than Wade does. After all, so far, it seems to be working.
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Kubiak and HWWNBM comes to mind in this case. Would it have been more of a distraction having a disgruntled MW at DE maybe demanding a trade? I'm not saying he would do that, but the possibility exists. Maybe WP figured he could give it a shot and see how it works out. Given time, the move very well could work out, but do the Texans coaching staff have the luxury of time? I don't think so.
 
ObsiWan said:
I see this way. You got a guy that's been writing right-handed all his life. Now you're making him write left-handed. It's gonna be a while before his penmanship is back to where it was when he was writing right-handed.
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So how is this different from Barwin, Nading, & Reed?

They were all left handed.
 
You know, honestly, I think that generally our LBs getting to the QB is mostly because of Wade's 3-4. In other words, they usually get there because they aren't getting blocked by anybody (not always, but usually). You can bet your butt that somebody is assigned to block Mario on every play. What impresses me is the scheme....and guys like Watt getting to the QB... Reed muscled through a blocking back too, but we've got to give Mario some of the credit for OTHER LBs being free.

We also talk about transitions for various players, but I don't think anyone is making as big a transition as Mario. He wasn't even really a weak side DE in the 4-3; he was more of a strong side DE. I'm not so sure he should be switching to LB, but let's give 'im some time.

If it doesn't work out, maybe we trade him in the offseason and get something for him....or, maybe he bulks up and becomes something special on the line, along with Watt.
 
The Texans have won both of their games that they have played. Yet we're complaining about ?

The defense has shown major improvement over the fiasco that was put on the field.
This has been the shortest offseason they have ever had. Installing a new defense. New personnel. And we are complaining?

Two weeks until the regular season. The division looks right for the plucking.

And we are complaining?

(figurative we in all of the above)

Nice to see that things are still the same on this board...
 
HJam72 said:
You know, honestly, I think that generally our LBs getting to the QB is mostly because of Wade's 3-4. In other words, they usually get there because they aren't getting blocked by anybody (not always, but usually). You can bet your butt that somebody is assigned to block Mario on every play. What impresses me is the scheme....and guys like Watt getting to the QB... Reed muscled through a blocking back too, but we've got to give Mario some of the credit for OTHER LBs being free.

We also talk about transitions for various players, but I don't think anyone is making as big a transition as Mario. He wasn't even really a weak side DE in the 4-3; he was more of a strong side DE.
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So we could be using MW as a decoy so others can make plays? Sounds so Reggie Bush-ish. :kitten:
 
DocBar said:
So we could be using MW as a decoy so others can make plays? Sounds so Reggie Bush-ish. :kitten:
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He has to get to the QB eventually, but we're talking about his 2nd preseason game here.

My main concern with Mario is not whether he can do this or that, it's whether or not he will. Mario needs to show some heart, but this isn't the time to expect pro bowl caliber play from him.
 
Mario isn't making every play just yet but it is way too early to say that he never will.
 
HJam72 said:
You know, honestly, I think that generally our LBs getting to the QB is mostly because of Wade's 3-4. In other words, they usually get there because they aren't getting blocked by anybody (not always, but usually). You can bet your butt that somebody is assigned to block Mario on every play. What impresses me is the scheme....and guys like Watt getting to the QB... Reed muscled through a blocking back too, but we've got to give Mario some of the credit for OTHER LBs being free.

We also talk about transitions for various players, but I don't think anyone is making as big a transition as Mario. He wasn't even really a weak side DE in the 4-3; he was more of a strong side DE. I'm not so sure he should be switching to LB, but let's give 'im some time.

If it doesn't work out, maybe we trade him in the offseason and get something for him....or, maybe he bulks up and becomes something special on the line, along with Watt.
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srrono said:
What playmaking would you consider progress for MW?
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I want to see the bull rush I keep hearing about in practice reports.
 
Kubiak: Williams took “big step forward” vs. Saints

At this weekly press conference on Sunday, Texans coach Gary Kubiak said that Mario Williams took a “big step forward” at outside linebacker in the Texans’ preseason game against the New Orleans Saints.

Williams, who's transitioning from defensive end, had two solo tackles, a pass defensed and a forced fumble in close to two quarters of action on Saturday night.

“I thought he played really good after I went back and looked at it,” Kubiak said. “He doesn’t have two or three sacks, which makes it easy to say he was good. But if you watch, he was very disruptive in the pocket.

"They tried to keep a tight end on him a couple of times. He did a good job just throwing him back into (Drew) Brees’ hip and pushing the pocket. Played better in space. Just assignment-wise, everything he’s doing – (linebackers coach) Reggie (Herring) and (defensive coordinator) Wade (Phillips) are trying to get him settled down in what he’s doing. It was just a big step forward.

“I think you’ll see him continue to get better. He’s really taking to what they’re trying to teach him. It is something totally different, but you see it getting better every day.”

Kubiak also praised the play of rookie outside linebacker Brooks Reed, who had two sacks and two forced fumbles against the Saints. The second-round draft pick from Arizona will likely get reps with the first-team defense this week.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...s-Saints/9eaa20c2-4931-43f2-8ed0-a941b4448913
 
HJam72 said:
You know, honestly, I think that generally our LBs getting to the QB is mostly because of Wade's 3-4. In other words, they usually get there because they aren't getting blocked by anybody (not always, but usually). You can bet your butt that somebody is assigned to block Mario on every play. What impresses me is the scheme....and guys like Watt getting to the QB... Reed muscled through a blocking back too, but we've got to give Mario some of the credit for OTHER LBs being free.

We also talk about transitions for various players, but I don't think anyone is making as big a transition as Mario. He wasn't even really a weak side DE in the 4-3; he was more of a strong side DE. I'm not so sure he should be switching to LB, but let's give 'im some time.

If it doesn't work out, maybe we trade him in the offseason and get something for him....or, maybe he bulks up and becomes something special on the line, along with Watt.
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That's pretty much what happened on Adibi's first sack vs. The Jets. Mario comes running up the middle at the same time Adibi is there, but the lineman chose to block Mario and Adibi got the sack. If that lineman goes after Adibi, we don't have this thread at all.
 
I´m 100% sure that Mario will be fine... I`m just not sure if he will be great at LB.Barwin and Reed have more of a LB body - Mario has all the athleticism in the world but most of the time he doesn`t seem to realize it. Right now he is thinking too much and that`s what`s holding him back. After week 4 we should have a better understanding of what Mario can do at OLB. But there is a good possibility, that he just is a better 4-3 DE than a 3-4 OLB.
 
DocBar said:
I want to see the bull rush I keep hearing about in practice reports.
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Oh, he drove some guys back into Brees' face. IIRC, on the long bomb from Daniels to Morgan, Mario had driven his guy back pretty convincingly and was very close to disrupting that play. Too bad he didn't. :(

So I think he's shown it a couple of times.

But, despite the reports and assurances, it seems to me like he is taking more time to read and react than someone like Reed is. He's being more careful and so he's not just blowing guys up like he should be.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Oh, he drove some guys back into Brees' face. IIRC, on the long bomb from Daniels to Morgan, Mario had driven his guy back pretty convincingly and was very close to disrupting that play. Too bad he didn't. :(

So I think he's shown it a couple of times.

But, despite the reports and assurances, it seems to me like he is taking more time to read and react than someone like Reed is. He's being more careful and so he's not just blowing guys up like he should be.
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Say what? Go back and look at the long TD play. The tight end came in motion and "manhandled" Mario and pushed him out of the way by himself.
 
$14M decoy? Ouch. Getting double teamed? AJ gets double and tripled teamed every snap yet he still makes plays. I like Mario but he always seems to be the guy that ALMOST gets the sack. Almost got an INT. We need our $14M defensive player MAKING those sacks AND INT.

My 2 cents...
 
thunderkyss said:
2s making plays against 2s........

1s not making plays against 1s......
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Do u even watch the games? im asking seriously b/c some of the crap you're spewing in here tells me that u dont. I mean really, you're bagging on this dude b/c he didn't intercept a ball while a 300 lber was trying to roll into his knee? Really? It wasnt enough for u that the guy blew up the play? Ridiculous.

People have been doubting this dude since he came into the league and he's proven them wrong at every turn. How people can still continue to do so is beyond me. Stop getting caught up in aethestics. he's not a super quick twitch guy ala dwight freeney & demarcus ware. he never will be. But for a 6-6 290 lb guy, he's still plenty quick to play olb in a 3-4 scheme. If u don't take my
word for it, go ask wade phillips. Just give him AND THE TEAM time to gel and adjust jeez....:vincepalm:
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm just saying..... Brooks Reed, Connor Barwin, & Jesse Nading seem to be handling the position change........ better.

So are JJWatt, Antonio Smith, & Tim Jamison...

I'm just saying.

A Playmaker would have caught that ball even though he had a fat man rolling up on his knees..
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TK.... Thats kinda BS!!! Did you not see AJ let a pass hit him in the chest? Mario was trying to make a pick with someone cutting his legs, man! He'll be fine!
 
PapaL said:
$14M decoy? Ouch. Getting double teamed? AJ gets double and tripled teamed every snap yet he still makes plays. I like Mario but he always seems to be the guy that ALMOST gets the sack. Almost got an INT. We need our $14M defensive player MAKING those sacks AND INT.

My 2 cents...
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Omg dude did you not read any of the post before yours? Andre has been playing wr his whole career , MW is playing a whole new position . Tell me if you would like me to explain this to you in better detail . I could try by typing it slower or maybe even call you and saying it slowly.
 
Texan_Bill said:
TK.... Thats kinda BS!!! Did you not see AJ let a pass hit him in the chest? Mario was trying to make a pick with someone cutting his legs, man! He'll be fine!
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Exactly TB, he pretty much lost all credibility with me when he made that statement...i mean Guys who play db there whole live cant even catch balls that come right at them most times with noone bearing down on them, but he expects a defensive lineman transitioning to a new position in only his second PRESEASON game to come down with that?
 
FearSuperMario said:
Omg dude did you not read any of the post before yours? Andre has been playing wr his whole career , MW is playing a whole new position . Tell me if you would like me to explain this to you in better detail . I could try by typing it slower or maybe even call you and saying it slowly.
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Wow...pretty harsh. MW hasn't been the disruptive force a lot of us fans expected him to be even when he was playing DE. He played great in spurts, but never seemed to bring it every single down. He rarely took over games by himself. That was at a position that he played his whole career. What makes you think he's going to be any different at a new position, at which he's not physically suited to?
 
I'm sorry, I just can't get on the freak-out train after just under three quarters of play... Mario hasn't even played a full game's worth of olb, so I'm going to keep my hand away from the panic button... I mean is he supposed to average a sack every three qts? That's almost 20 sacks a season...

Does he look great? No! But he looked better yesterday than monday from what I can tell, so maybe he is improving...
 
thunderkyss said:
2s making plays against 2s........

1s not making plays against 1s......
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Maybe their 2's are equivalent to our 3's

anyway, this whole discussion is fruitless. This is Wade's masterplan.
When I hear Wade say it's not working, then I'll believe it.

I already said I'd have left Mario at DE and found a speed rusher to play OLB - maybe traded up to get Von Miller or whoever was rated right below him (yeah, I know that would have been pricey)... but that's just me.
 
thunderkyss said:
There are lots of things he could do better. I don't think he looks godawful... I just don't think he has done anything to warrant a "Mario IS improving at his new position" thread.


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The reason I ask the question what situations could he have done better in is because if you can pinpoint those instances then you should be able to see where he had improved at since last week.

No one quantified how much he improved. Ive just seen comments that he played better this past week.

We got a longer look at him this past week.

When Mario came into the league (and really it still happens) he often times didn't show up on the stat sheet. Often times he looked uncomfortable and out of place.

You also keep comparing him to the other de's that are making the transition, but the other guys aren't learning how to manage that height and weight. Mario made a comment that he feels 6'8" and that this is extremely foreign to him. Plus the other guys are playing two's and threes and what exactly is barwin doing against the ones?
 
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