kiwitexansfan
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The Texans have overpaid free agents to come here, but you need to realise that the really good FA, don't want to come here because the Texans are a losing team. If we become a contender you'll start to see some splashes.
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Defensive Secondary 2011 NFL Draft
- Thread starter Texan4Ever
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The Texans have overpaid free agents to come here, but you need to realise that the really good FA, don't want to come here because the Texans are a losing team. If we become a contender you'll start to see some splashes.
Under terms of the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement, a team losing more or better compensatory free agents than it acquires in the previous year is eligible to receive compensatory draft picks.
The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2009 NFL Draft:
Compensatory draft picks last year:
Rd Pick Sel. # Team
3 33 97 New England
3 34 98 Cincinnati
3 35 99 Chicago
3 36 100 N.Y. Giants
4 33 133 San Diego
4 34 134 San Diego
4 35 135 Tennessee
4 36 136 Indianapolis
5 33 169 Pittsburgh
5 34 170 New England
5 35 171 San Francisco
5 36 172 Dallas
5 37 173 Tennessee
6 33 206 Tennessee
6 34 207 New England
6 35 208 Dallas
6 36 209 Cincinnati
7 33 242 Tennessee
7 34 243 Washington
7 35 244 San Francisco
7 36 245 Seattle
7 37 246 Chicago
7 38 247 Seattle
7 39 248 Seattle
7 40 249 Cincinnati
7 41 250 Jacksonville
7 42 251 Chicago
7 43 252 Cincinnati
7 44 253 Jacksonville
7 45 254 Arizona
7 46 255 Detroit
7 47 256 Kansas City
Arizona Cardinals
Lost: Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, Keydrick Vincent
Signed: Clark Haggans, Travis LaBoy, Bryan Robinson
Total compensatory picks: 1
*Arizona received a compensatory pick even though it did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents last year. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents Arizona lost were ranked higher than the ones it signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).
Chicago Bears
Lost: Brendon Ayanbadejo, Bernard Berrian, John Gilmore
Total compensatory picks: 3
Cincinnati Bengals
Lost: Landon Johnson, Bryan Robinson, Justin Smith, Alex Stepanovich, Madieu Williams
Signed: Antwan Odom
Total compensatory picks: 4
Dallas Cowboys
Lost: Julius Jones, Jacques Reeves
Total compensatory picks: 2
Indianapolis Colts
Lost: Jake Scott
Total compensatory picks: 1
Jacksonville Jaguars
Lost: Terry Cousin, Aaron Glenn, Sammy Knight, Bobby McCray, Ernest Wilford
Signed: Drayton Florence, Cleo Lemon, Jerry Porter
Total compensatory picks: 2
New England Patriots
Lost: Randall Gay, Asante Samuel, Donte Stallworth
Total compensatory picks: 3
New York Giants
Lost: Kawika Mitchell, Reggie Torbor, Gibril Wilson
Signed: Danny Clark, Sammy Knight
Total compensatory picks: 1
Pittsburgh Steelers
Lost: Alan Faneca, Clark Haggans
Signed: Mewelde Moore
Total compensatory picks: 1
San Diego Chargers
Lost: Drayton Florence, Michael Turner
Total compensatory picks: 2
San Francisco 49ers
Lost: Marques Douglas, Kwame Harris, Maurice Hicks, Justin Smiley
Signed: Bryant Johnson, Justin Smith
Total compensatory picks: 2
Seattle Seahawks
Lost: Kevin Bentley, Josh Brown, Chuck Darby, D.J. Hackett, Niko Koutouvides, Ellis Wyms
Signed: Keary Colbert (acquired via trade from Denver), T.J. Duckett, Julius Jones
Total compensatory picks: 3
Tennessee Titans
Lost: Jacob Bell, Chris Brown, Ben Hartsock, Travis LaBoy, Antwan Odom, Randy Starks
Signed: Jake Scott
Total compensatory picks: 4
Washington Redskins
Lost: Mark Brunell
Total compensatory picks: 1
Thirty compensatory picks were awarded to clubs based upon the compensatory pick formula. By rule, two additional choices were awarded at the end of the seventh round to bring the total number of compensatory selections to 32, equaling the number of NFL clubs. The two additional picks were awarded to Detroit and Kansas City based upon the 2009 draft selection order. (Note: St. Louis and Kansas City finished 2008 with identical records. St. Louis chooses second in all odd rounds and Kansas City chooses second in all even rounds. Once compensatory picks have been awarded according to the formula, draft selection order is followed to assign any remaining picks, and for this purpose, the assignment of the pick is made as if it were the eighth round, so Kansas City is awarded the choice.)
The number of picks a team receives equals the net loss of compensatory free agents up to a maximum of four.
Compensatory free agents are determined by a formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. The formula was developed by the NFL Management Council. Not every free agent lost or signed by a club is covered by this formula.
Following are the compensatory free agents lost and signed last year by the clubs that will receive compensatory picks in the 2009 NFL Draft:
Compensatory draft picks last year:
Rd Pick Sel. # Team
3 33 97 New England
3 34 98 Cincinnati
3 35 99 Chicago
3 36 100 N.Y. Giants
4 33 133 San Diego
4 34 134 San Diego
4 35 135 Tennessee
4 36 136 Indianapolis
5 33 169 Pittsburgh
5 34 170 New England
5 35 171 San Francisco
5 36 172 Dallas
5 37 173 Tennessee
6 33 206 Tennessee
6 34 207 New England
6 35 208 Dallas
6 36 209 Cincinnati
7 33 242 Tennessee
7 34 243 Washington
7 35 244 San Francisco
7 36 245 Seattle
7 37 246 Chicago
7 38 247 Seattle
7 39 248 Seattle
7 40 249 Cincinnati
7 41 250 Jacksonville
7 42 251 Chicago
7 43 252 Cincinnati
7 44 253 Jacksonville
7 45 254 Arizona
7 46 255 Detroit
7 47 256 Kansas City
Arizona Cardinals
Lost: Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace, Keydrick Vincent
Signed: Clark Haggans, Travis LaBoy, Bryan Robinson
Total compensatory picks: 1
*Arizona received a compensatory pick even though it did not suffer a net loss of compensatory free agents last year. Under the formula, the compensatory free agents Arizona lost were ranked higher than the ones it signed (by a specified point differential based upon salary and performance).
Chicago Bears
Lost: Brendon Ayanbadejo, Bernard Berrian, John Gilmore
Total compensatory picks: 3
Cincinnati Bengals
Lost: Landon Johnson, Bryan Robinson, Justin Smith, Alex Stepanovich, Madieu Williams
Signed: Antwan Odom
Total compensatory picks: 4
Dallas Cowboys
Lost: Julius Jones, Jacques Reeves
Total compensatory picks: 2
Indianapolis Colts
Lost: Jake Scott
Total compensatory picks: 1
Jacksonville Jaguars
Lost: Terry Cousin, Aaron Glenn, Sammy Knight, Bobby McCray, Ernest Wilford
Signed: Drayton Florence, Cleo Lemon, Jerry Porter
Total compensatory picks: 2
New England Patriots
Lost: Randall Gay, Asante Samuel, Donte Stallworth
Total compensatory picks: 3
New York Giants
Lost: Kawika Mitchell, Reggie Torbor, Gibril Wilson
Signed: Danny Clark, Sammy Knight
Total compensatory picks: 1
Pittsburgh Steelers
Lost: Alan Faneca, Clark Haggans
Signed: Mewelde Moore
Total compensatory picks: 1
San Diego Chargers
Lost: Drayton Florence, Michael Turner
Total compensatory picks: 2
San Francisco 49ers
Lost: Marques Douglas, Kwame Harris, Maurice Hicks, Justin Smiley
Signed: Bryant Johnson, Justin Smith
Total compensatory picks: 2
Seattle Seahawks
Lost: Kevin Bentley, Josh Brown, Chuck Darby, D.J. Hackett, Niko Koutouvides, Ellis Wyms
Signed: Keary Colbert (acquired via trade from Denver), T.J. Duckett, Julius Jones
Total compensatory picks: 3
Tennessee Titans
Lost: Jacob Bell, Chris Brown, Ben Hartsock, Travis LaBoy, Antwan Odom, Randy Starks
Signed: Jake Scott
Total compensatory picks: 4
Washington Redskins
Lost: Mark Brunell
Total compensatory picks: 1
Thirty compensatory picks were awarded to clubs based upon the compensatory pick formula. By rule, two additional choices were awarded at the end of the seventh round to bring the total number of compensatory selections to 32, equaling the number of NFL clubs. The two additional picks were awarded to Detroit and Kansas City based upon the 2009 draft selection order. (Note: St. Louis and Kansas City finished 2008 with identical records. St. Louis chooses second in all odd rounds and Kansas City chooses second in all even rounds. Once compensatory picks have been awarded according to the formula, draft selection order is followed to assign any remaining picks, and for this purpose, the assignment of the pick is made as if it were the eighth round, so Kansas City is awarded the choice.)
I will come back to watch the 09 Texas game later.
But you're right, Amukara looked horrendous against Okl St.
If I have to base on this game only, I wouldn't even draft him, let alone considering him in the first round.
He didn't look great in the UT game this year either.
Both Dennard (his teammate) and Williams (UT) outplayed him in this game, from what I saw.
Also, it seems to me that Williams played quite a bit as the nickel corner.
Would you want to spend a first rounder on such a prospect?
At any rate, I still need to watch a lot more of these guys before I can have a good grasp so don't hold me for anything yet.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
I would like to see The Texans taking FS in very early rounds(1st or 2nd rd). That kid from UCLA or free agency like the Rums safety Oshiomogho Atogwe would be nice.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I haven't seen much of this guy which is why I want to watch him in a bowl game but my conclusions are the following A.) Prince could be grossly overrated and or being hyped up by draft gurus purely based on a few solid games he's had and B.) It seems to me that if you want a cornerback who can take on a receiver without needing support from safeties then Prince is NOT your guy.
Also, either Blackmon is the next AJ or Prince really has technique issues such as backpedaling and getting himself in position to at least knock the ball away.
Peppers went to the highest bidder last yr. (The Bears were the highest bidder) This yr they have one of the best teams in the league. To be the best you have to make moves like the Bears do and pay top $$$$ like the Peppers deal. They also re-did Cutlers deal.
Bottom line is if you pay top $$$$ will they will come. You have to pay way over market value but they will come. It's called the price of doing business.
Of course McNair wants to run his team like the Steelers. They are the exception to the rule. They dont pay top $$$$ but stay on top.
I wouldn't mind if they get both.
Also, I've been watching a bit more of the Tides and I'm starting to warm up to Barron as well.
(I only watched one UCLA game so far, I do like Rahim Moore.)
If they can't get a FA like Atogwe, I hope that they draft 2 safeties and a NT.
I agree with you for now.
But I'd like to watch and learn more about him before drawing my conclusions.
Perhaps he just had a bad day and Blackmon was playing out of his mind?!?
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Let's forget about drafting a CB, how about trading down and getting Justin Blackmon as a WR? Not sure if he's going to declare but having him gives us a proven receiver who can only excel under AJ and our pass-friendly offense.
As someone mentioned, trading for Oshimago Atoje (butured the name but you know the Rams FS) for some draft picks and or maybe some defensive players would not be a bad idea.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Let's forget about drafting a CB, how about trading down and getting Justin Blackmon as a WR? Not sure if he's going to declare but having him gives us a proven receiver who can only excel under AJ and our pass-friendly offense.
As someone mentioned, trading for Oshimago Atoje (butured the name but you know the Rams FS) for some draft picks and or maybe some defensive players would not be a bad idea.
Man, I'm not real sure of Amukara after watching some of him... at least not a top 10 pick. Blackmon looks legit though. AJ Green is clear #1 to me and I'd love him but we're more in the running for Blackmon/Julio Jones as far as WR goes. I can't believe I'm (and you) even thinking of a WR but Blackmon next to Andre would be killer! Blackmon continued to impress in the Bowl game with 9 rec 117 yards and 2 TDs.
Get some quality FAs in here on Defense because it's clear we need some "veterans", then load up on some of the talented guys that slip to the 2nd/3rd rounds.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
If McNair decides to spend money on some FA and depending on who is available (or up for trade consideration) maybe we can try and bring in Ray Edwards (DE Vikings) and Otwge (FS Rams) in exchange for draft picks and or players.
Get the linebackers to loose weight or play the position they're comfortable with and find an OLB in the draft or via FA. If we do this we can go after Blackmon and have two legit WRs with a host of solid WRs who can come in on different plays which gives us flexibility on offense and makes our air attack that much dangerous.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
think you hit upon the key to Texans draft, that is they need to address & hit in free agency their defensive ineptness. need experienced CB, DT & FS. then Texans can focus on BPA for their system both sides of the ball.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Same here FS and NT need to be addressed especially, if we are moving our D to 3-4.
And an OLB
Luckily the draft is deep enough that with Dunta's comp pick. They should be able to fill the OLB, NT and get 2 S in the 1st 3 rds.
The only way I wouldn't fill these positions is if A.J. Green was available. Then I would think about trading down. But it would alot. Green is a stud.
I like Sash,and the 2 Fla. S Hill,Black in the third. One of those guys probably would be available in the 4th rd.
I wouldn't take it for granted that they get a comp pick, much less a 3rd rounder.
Dunta will be a 16 game starter.
On a team that has the best record in the league.
There will be a comp pick the question is how high. I believe that is tied into the $$$$ paid, % of plays played, and stats.
On a team that has the best record in the league.
There will be a comp pick the question is how high. I believe that is tied into the $$$$ paid, % of plays played, and stats.
I think that pick comes in round 3 according to the metrics.
FS is a problem always has been with this team. I'd really like to see an upgrade there.
As for DT/NT I think Cody could handle that spot and move 0k0ke to DE along with Antonio Smith at the DE's .... That allows Mario to move to the rush LB , their most dynamic player at the most dynamic position along the front seven.
If Barwin is able to return healthy they become pretty scarry up front. There was a drastic drop off in pressure due to his injury. I think he could be a real solid 3-4 OLB.
Im more concerned with ILB and particularly Demeco Ryans. The before and after of his injury is pretty telling of his importance to this defense. The Texans were 4-2 with him , including the Chiefs game and have gone 1-7 without him.
If you look at the Chiefs game under a microscope - they gave up just under 6 YPC rushing in the first half with him on the field and well over 8 YPC in the second half without him.
With Demeco that defense was just good enough to win , without him they have been just good enough to lose.
If they go to a 3-4 ..... The Texans could line up with MW and Barwin (pending he returns to form) or MW and Cushing at the OLB spots ..... the ILB spots are a questionmark at this point.
I really think a healthy Barwin brings an interesting dynamic to the defense .... which would allow Kushing to move inside with Ryans if healthy.
Giving them a front seven comprised of - Cody @ NT , Smith and 0k0ye at the ends (I really think thats 0k0ye's best position , 3-4 DE) MW and Barwin at OLB with Demeco and Kushing inside.
If they could add a FS with range and cover skills along with Pollards toughness and run support to the back end , that defense looks pretty formidable.
Cant belive they were giving up 6 yds per carry (Which stinks) to 8 yds per carry. Which is pathetic)
Man this defense is bad.
But give me Bailey in FA. a NT,OLB and 2 S. this defense will be alot better next yr.
I dont thik this will happen given their draft record. (hope I'm wrong)
They need to give Phillips the pieces he needs and it still wont be enough to overcome Kubiaks' ineptitude.
Man this defense is bad.
But give me Bailey in FA. a NT,OLB and 2 S. this defense will be alot better next yr.
I dont thik this will happen given their draft record. (hope I'm wrong)
They need to give Phillips the pieces he needs and it still wont be enough to overcome Kubiaks' ineptitude.
That was just the Chiefs game - For the season they have held opposing offenses to 3.8YPC which last I looked was top 6 in the NFL. That stat is hugely overlooked due to how piss poor their pass defense is.
Ive said it a dozen times this season , the main problems with this teams defense are a lack of push in the middle of the DL (as opposed to penetration or lack there of) and a lack of player on the bck end with range and cover skills. Pollard is fantastic for what he brings but the guy opposite him has to have a skillset which offsets his shortcomings.
Envision this -
A 3-4 defense with:
Smith and 0k0ye at the ends - both very disruptive guy;s who can penetrate but not hold the point of attack.
A solid NT in Cody who's big enough to get the job done and disruptive enough to demand a double (thats my opinion).
MW and Barwin at the OLB - both athletic enough to rush the passer and cover most players out of the back field or TE's. (believe it or not the biggest step back this defense took was the loss of Barwin.)
Ryans and Kushing inside - simply a dominant duo inside.
The secondary as is is questionable - but an upgrade to the FS spot helps tremendously not to mention the pass rush above should be near impossible to stop / predict.
Jackson and Quin might actually be servicable with a solid FS under the above circumstances.
I really like the NASTY thaty Pollard brings to the back end - I wouldnt trade him for a case of Shiner.
SAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
I hope Cody can handle it however, I have been wishing for a big NT for quite while and I want some action from our FO at least to look at the NT position again in draft and FA or both. For FS, how long us fans been wishing to address this position? Too long right? I hope our FO look really hard this year.
Didn't know that you were just talking about the Chiefs game. This makes me ? why the Chiefs threw the ball on 3rd and 2 from the Houston 38. The pass was incomplete and they punted. With stats like that they should've run the ball.
Defense has a chance to be much improved, I'm not a big Cody fan. But adding a big vet NT in FA and drafting one would solve that problem. Getting a S or 2 with speed is a must either in the draft or FA is a must.
The holes can be filled this offseason. However I dont expect Uncle BoB to open up his checkbook and Smith and Kubiak (if he evven has time to go to the Combine) will screw up the draft. Look at their history.
With that said, even if they filled all of the holes the best you can hope for with Kubiak is a one and done in the playoffs. Thanks BOB
Back to Prince A.
I have now watched 4 games (Okl. St, UT, Mizzou, and Iowa St.).
In all honesty, I don't see how he can get a first rounder grade.
(I'll keep watching though!)
Neb mostly played 2-deep safeties.
Sometimes they would play man on the receivers but when they do, almost all the times, there are 3 safeties in the back.
They played more underneath zones than man coverage though, either 4 or 5 zones.
Prince hardly got off his man to support the run (and when he tried, his success rate was low - just to get off his man.)
In summary, Prince's area of responsibility is quite small comparing with guys like Janoris Jenkins who was used to cover man most of the times.
The Cornhuskers were able to get pressure with just the front four (maybe we ought to take a longer look at these guys.)
Also, Prince is one of those CBs who makes good use of the lax college rule "hand on the receiver" beyond 5 yds off the LOS.
Anybody knows of his measurables? He does have a good burst but I'm not sure that he's faster than Kareem Jackson. He doesn't seem to have an extraordinary vertical leap either! (Quin 38", KJ 37.5").
Texan4Ever
All Pro
I'm under the impression that Prince Amukamara is being hyped up by draft experts who are purely going after his intangibles (which makes no sense to me). At this point, I wouldn't even go after him in the 2nd round because of the serious flaws in his game.
He is NOT a cover-corner and if he can't contain the top receivers in the NCAA, how can he do so in the NFL?
He is NOT a cover-corner and if he can't contain the top receivers in the NCAA, how can he do so in the NFL?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
this is pure specualtion my part but Prince Amukamara is the #1 rated CB because he is the top rated senior CB. The other top rated CB's are underclassman yet to declare intentions?
We'll know their status soon, last day for all eligible underclassman to declare early entry into 2011 NFL draft is January 15th.
We'll know their status soon, last day for all eligible underclassman to declare early entry into 2011 NFL draft is January 15th.
I watched 4 more games (Ks, Ks St, A&M, and Colorado).
In a couple of instances, he showed some flashes of his ability to stay with the receiver in the short area. The movements were fluid, the reactions were excellent (but only on a few plays). They don't throw at him much.
He had 5 pass break ups in these 4 games, two of them were somewhat simple, and just missed an INT on one play.
He played the run well in a couple of those games, especially in the A&M game (in which his production almost equaled the previous 4 games combined in run support, and looked good doing it.)
Basically, since they didn't throw at him much, it seems like the coaches started sending him to support the run (as opposed to concentrating on the receiver.)
I think he also have a good game against the Sooners but I haven't watched it yet.)
He was beaten on medium deep routes by the receivers a few times but the QB didn't look his way.
He stayed close with them on many occasions (however, he often made contact with them beyond 5 yds like I mentioned before, which was allowed in the NCAA.)
Overall, I see him more as a prospect than a first rounder.
(Depending on his measurables at the combine, a 2nd or 3rd round grade???).
I would probably have to go back to last year tapes to see more of how he defended the deeper routes (which at the moment I'm not sure he can be successful at on the NFL level) except I don't think we will be drafting a CB early.
(- If we're going to keep Allen.)
Dennard and Hagg showed up much more than Amukarama this year. If it looks like we're going to draft a CB, I will go back and look closer at Hagg (who is a Senior.) What grade does he have?
The FG/punter Henery looks really good.
I didn't pay attention to him closely in the earlier games, but the FGs he made in these last 4 games were well within the NFL posts, almost all of them dead center. I heard he made some in the 60-yd range during practices.
His punting is also good.
His longest was over 60 yds.
Due to his kicking style, with more practice, I think he can send them out of bound inside the 20 more consistently.
He's a good college CB in that system where they can get pressure with mainly just the front four.
His production last year (2009) was good.
However, if we look closer, his INTs (5 of them, as opposed to zero this year) were mostly in games where the QBs were green and/or had an overall bad day. And don't forget Suh's presence.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
you know who he kinda reminds me of?
Antrel Rolle, selected 8th overall in 05 by zona. later moved to FS in Arizona run to Super Bowl. & this year picked up in FA by the Giants. To me both are physcial players, good make-up for safety. What we see in coverage is slightly stiff hips, not fluid in change of direction desired for position. Is a system fit type of db with flexability to play all positions as needed. So if the Texans work him out maybe it's not as CB but FS?
MojoMan
Hall of Fame
Of course mock drafts are worth what you pay for them, but here is the updated mock draft from the Great Blue North Draft Report. As you can see here and at NFLDraftScout Patrick Peterson (6-1, 222, 4.42, LSU) appears to be the number one ranked CB at this time. However, according the GBN's mock, he will be taken off the board one pick before the Texans get to choose, by the Washington Redskins.
This guy appears to be one of the biggest true CB's I have ever seen.
This guy appears to be one of the biggest true CB's I have ever seen.
Code:
1 Carolina *Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2 Denver *Da'Quan Bowers DE Clemson
3 Buffalo *Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
4 Cincinnati *Nick Fairley DE Auburn
5 Arizona *Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
6 Cleveland *A.J. Green WR Georgia
7 San Francisco *Cam Newton QB Auburn
8 Tennessee *Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State
9 Dallas *Marcel Dareus DE Alabama
[B]10 Washington *Patrick Peterson CB LSU[/B]
11 Houston *Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
12 Minnesota Jake Locker QB Washington
13 Detroit Adrian Clayborn DE Iowa
14 St. Louis *Julio Jones WR Alabama
15 Miami *Mark Ingram RB Alabama
16 Jacksonville Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
17 New England Allen Bailey DE Miami
18 San Diego Von Miller LB Texas A&M
19 New York Giants Nate Solder OT Colorado
20 Tampa Bay *Aldon Smith DE Missouri
[B]*21 Seattle Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska[/B]
*22 Kansas City *Akeem Ayers LB UCLA
*23 Indianapolis Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi State
*24 Philadelphia Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
*25 Green Bay *J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin
*26 New Orleans Marvin Austin DT North Carolina
*27 Chicago Anthony Castonzo OT Boston College
*28 New York Jets Cameron Heyward DE Ohio State
*29 Baltimore Cameron Jordan DE California
*30 Pittsburgh Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin
*31 Atlanta *Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
*32 New England *Justin Houston LB GeorgiaSAMURAITEXAN
All Pro
Agree. Oh me, totally left our LB position. You are right, we are already thin on the position especially if we are moving our D to 3-4. (Barwin should be a good fit at OLB position if healthy).
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Brandon Harris has just declared he is coming out early http://hurricanesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010411aaa.html
That mock has 5 QBs (and 4 DEs) being taken in the first 12 picks! I would love for there to be a run on QBs that early: seeing as I don't think the Texans will be selecting a QB, that should really help the choices available to them (though the run on DL will not help...).
bah007
Hall of Fame
Here is what I have so far. Some guys I've seen a lot more of than others. The rankings are still in progress and if anybody has any critiques I'm open to them. I dvr as many games as I can, but I still can't watch everybody.
CB
1. Patrick Peterson - LSU
2. Prince Amukamara - Nebraska
3. Brandon Harris - Miami
4. Jimmy Smith - Colorado
5. Aaron Williams - Texas
6. Ras-I Dowling - Virginia
7. Davon House - New Mexico St
8. Brandon Burton - Utah
FS
1. Rahim Moore - UCLA
2. Deunta Williams - North Carolina
3. Quinton Carter - Oklahoma
4. Jaiquawn Jarrett - Temple
5. Will Hill - Florida
SS
1. DeAndre McDaniel - Clemson
2. Tyler Sash - Iowa
3. Jeron Johnson - Boise St
4. Robert Sands - West Virginia
5. Tejay Johnson - TCU
Section516
Warrior
If we draft a CB in the first and have him starting, i will /wrist...
However, if we draft a CB, and sign two via FA..I think i could get over it =)
However, if we draft a CB, and sign two via FA..I think i could get over it =)
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I like it. Our S rankings are practically dead on, except I don't know this guy from Temple.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Jarrett hasn't really received that much publicity yet. I think he will eventually as we get closer to the draft.
He doesn't have great size, but he has decent size. I don't know exactly but he is around 6'0" 200 lbs.
I saw a few Temple games this year and although he doesn't have great speed, he is all over the field making plays. He was a four year starter and led the team in INTs the last three years. He was also second on the team in tackles this year and last, and led the team in tackles as a soph.
He seems to be a very smart player. He just seems to know what is happening around him. He's not an elite athlete, but he makes up for it.
He probably will not be the fourth FS drafted, but I just fell in love with the guy while watching him. He's just a gutsy, intelligent player.
You don't have Eric Hagg (Nebraska) on your list?
I saw McDaniel play mostly FS against Maryland.
Solid (just as I remember him from last year - off my memory), but I'd like to watch more of him, just as Johnson.
Sash, in the 3 games that I watch so far, plays more as a prototype SS.
He made a couple of mistakes, but overall was pretty good.
He's like a bullet, lock-load-and ready to go, as soon as he makes his read.
He's another possibility.
I saw McDaniel play mostly FS against Maryland.
Solid (just as I remember him from last year - off my memory), but I'd like to watch more of him, just as Johnson.
Sash, in the 3 games that I watch so far, plays more as a prototype SS.
He made a couple of mistakes, but overall was pretty good.
He's like a bullet, lock-load-and ready to go, as soon as he makes his read.
He's another possibility.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Hagg is in my top ten. I just posted the top 5.
I think McDaniel can play either safety spot in the NFL. I just listed him at SS. He would be my #3 FS.
I like Sash. He is limited athletically, but he has great instincts. Almost always the first hat to the ball.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I'd love to have Hagg, he brings an all around game that Pollard only dreams about.
Texan4Ever
All Pro
Could Tyler Sash play SS for us? Seems built for a FS but regardless of position he is a ball-hawk that can hit.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Sash is definitely a SS in the pros. He is a decent athlete, but not fluid enough to be a FS.
I'm a big fan of his in the second or third round.
How much better is R. Moore than Q. Carter in your opinion? I've seen Carter rated as the top FS and Moore the 2nd rated. Both are projected to go in the 2nd round.
Sash is somebody that should fall to the middle of the 3rd to the top of the 4th rd.
If you pick a NT like Fua at pick # 66 or so and Sash is sitting there at 80-85 would you be willing to give up oh say Okoye and a 4th to move up and draft Sash?
If you pick a NT like Fua at pick # 66 or so and Sash is sitting there at 80-85 would you be willing to give up oh say Okoye and a 4th to move up and draft Sash?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
can't believe I'm saying this, but Amobi Okoye is near untouchable.
with total investment & unknown, can any of us truely state that he's been put into the best of positions to maximize his abilites? I'm willing to error on the side of caution. Let's say he just needs some tweeking, a new position (3-4 DE) & take advantage of his God given special talent, that was shedding blockers & sacking the QB which was the reason for being selected 10th overall in first place.
I know how you feel.
But after seeing how bad the secondary was this yr.
I'm willing to go to extremes, (trading Okoye) trading up to get Peterson, signing ASO,Bailey.Taylor) to fix what has been aproblem for yrs.
If you're honest with your evaluations the only competent DB on the current roster is Quin and they have him playing out of position.
The Texans problem is they are always thinking about how to fill a hole today so they can make the playoffs. Instead of saying we'got defensive problems. This yr we'reoing to fix the secondary by any means necessary and look forward to the 2012 draft to fix the DL/LB's.
They need to admit the numbers dont lie and it's going to take 2 yrs to fix this historically bad defense.
The down side to this is AJ will be 2 yrs older before they make the playoffs and Kubiak didn't do him any favors by letting him play on a sprained ankle all yr.
Even though Bob paid AJ I feel for him.
But after seeing how bad the secondary was this yr.
I'm willing to go to extremes, (trading Okoye) trading up to get Peterson, signing ASO,Bailey.Taylor) to fix what has been aproblem for yrs.
If you're honest with your evaluations the only competent DB on the current roster is Quin and they have him playing out of position.
The Texans problem is they are always thinking about how to fill a hole today so they can make the playoffs. Instead of saying we'got defensive problems. This yr we'reoing to fix the secondary by any means necessary and look forward to the 2012 draft to fix the DL/LB's.
They need to admit the numbers dont lie and it's going to take 2 yrs to fix this historically bad defense.
The down side to this is AJ will be 2 yrs older before they make the playoffs and Kubiak didn't do him any favors by letting him play on a sprained ankle all yr.
Even though Bob paid AJ I feel for him.
Early impressions, I got:
Moore > Carter > Hill
Moore and Carter both look good.
Either one of them would transplant Wilson (probably) sooner rather than later..
Not enough of watching McDaniel to evaluate yet, but he isn't bad.
Sash plays