Defensive Secondary 2011 NFL Draft

[Texan4Ever]

I wanted to compile a list of the top prospects in the defensive secondary such as corner-backs and safeties in the 2011 NFL Draft. Since this is clearly a big need for the Texans, I would like to post my thoughts and YouTube highlights on each specific player. Please feel free to post your thoughts, comments, or videos in this thread.

The list is in no particular order...


Cornerbacks


1.) Prince Amukamara (Nebraska)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leX0rYpk9wc VS. Texas 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeWn3bwWTg&feature=related VS. Justin Blackmon (Oklahoma St.)


My comments are based on his performance VS. Texas in 2009 as well as against Justin Blackmon. He does a good job of sticking to his man and keeping his eyes on the ball. Prince can also lay the wood and tackle but at times he hits to high or just launches himself at the fee of the opposing player.

Against Blackmon, he was schooled. He kept getting beat on the outside and would push him which would lead to a pass interference penalty. I also noticed that he had a tough time shedding his blocker and getting to the running back, not sure if holding was an issue.



2.) Patrick Peterson (LSU)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BngI6yAtTLE&feature=related VS. Bama'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UUoYorh2Q&feature=related VS. Bama and Others

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGCmFWVPg30&feature=related VS. Mississippi St.


Patrick Peterson is the second coming of former Michigan great and current Packers corner-back Charles Woodson. He is tall (6'1") and has the size of a safety (220-Lbs). He is a true shut-down corner who can get in position and make an interception.

From what I have seen, he has good closing speed and seldom looses his footing when the receiver plants his feet and comes back. He can hit well and is a better tackler than Prince Amukamara IMO.

Another plus is that he is dangerous in the return game and has electrifying speed which allows him to stay with smaller, speedy receivers without getting burned.

 

[LonerATO]

You wont get either guy, but Texans have a chance at Harris

 

[Texan4Ever]

You wont get either guy, but Texans have a chance at Harris

True, the Texans if they decide to go CB will probably go after Brandon Harris, so with that being said here's my take on him:


3.) Brandon Harris (Miami FL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0yjcu9CJvc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClHSQML1sew VS. Georgia Tech


Harris is a good CB who can tackle well in space and can stick to his man. Although not as tall as the CBs listed above him, he has decent size (5'11" 195-Lbs) and can bring down opposing players with hard hits. He does an excellent job of reading the offense and doesn't get fooled easily by fake handoffs as you can see in the GTech video.

He doesn't have the greatest set of hands as he tends to knock balls away instead of going for the interception. Regradless, when he sticks to his man he puts himself in great position to make a play and knock the football away.


4.) Janoris Jenkins (Florida)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCqBxzEIy6c&feature=related VS. Bama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWNhED7SK2o VS. Miami (Ohio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cxPR1aN7Qk&feature=related VS. USF


Jenkins is similar to Brandon Harris is terms of size (5'11" 184-Lbs). In the Bama' video he looks slower than what I've seen while watching him play other teams. He also gets beat by the receiver he was covering and took some poor angles. He tends to fly at opposing receivers and running backs instead of using proper form.

I haven't watched him as closely as some of the other corners but from what I have seen he has potential to become a solid player at the pro level. He needs a lot more coaching and development and as of right now he does not look like a first round pick IMO.

If anyone wants to add anything about Jenkins and or offer your insights please post...

 

[Wolf6151]

After the combine I think they'll go in this order in the draft:

1. Prince Amukamara
2. Brandon Harris
3. Patrick Peterson
4. Janoris Jenkins

I think Amukamara will be gone when we pick and that we should have a good shot at Harris or Peterson and think that Harris will be the better CB in the NFL. I think Peterson is a better fit at FS.

 

[Texan4Ever]

After the combine I think they'll go in this order in the draft:

1. Prince Amukamara
2. Brandon Harris
3. Patrick Peterson
4. Janoris Jenkins

I think Amukamara will be gone when we pick and that we should have a good shot at Harris or Peterson and think that Harris will be the better CB in the NFL. I think Peterson is a better fit at FS.

I need to watch Amukamara in the bowl game because from what I saw against Ok. St. (the actual game and not the YouTube videos), he was constantly getting beat by Blackmon. He will most likely be gone, but I think he is overrated at this point.

Otherwise, I agree with your choices except I would have Patrick Peterson, Brandon Harris, Prince Amukamara, and then Janoris Jenkins as there are very few solid CBs to choose from this year.

 

[beerlover]

It's not neccessary to get production from the CB position only from using your first round pick. Matter of fact if the powers that be remain there should be a moratorium on taking a first round db. Problem is I don't know what the Texans are really good at developing/projecting other than offense. Maybe Rhodes can step up if his health allows? we need a defensive guru who not only has an eye for talent but also knows how & where to line them up on Sundays

I would like to see use of a 2nd or 3rd on a NFL caliber CB. Chase Minnifield, son of former NFL Pro-Bowl CB Frank Minnifield, plays for Virginia has submitted paperwork to the NFL advisory board. He'll get a mid 2nd to mid 3rd round grade, if that's enough to entice him Texans might bring him in for a workout? Good measureables, 6-0 185 4.45 forty.

 

[steelbtexan]

My CB ratings go like this

1. Peterson- Onve in a lifetime athlete, has size of a S feet of a CB. If he doesn't make it at CB (which I believe he will) he will be an all pro S for 10 yrs. You cant go wrong taking Peterson. IMHO

2. Amukamara- He is a really good CB, He probably will be an all pro. But it will take a little time for him to get adjusted to the NFL. His physical brand of covering the WR's doesn't translate as well to the NFL. As Peterson or Harris.

3.Harris- He remids me of Ryan McNeil type CB. He is good at covering WR's and will set the edge against the run. Harris may make a pro bowl or 2 and be a solid 10 yr starter. But he doesn't have the upside of the top 2 CB's. IMHO

4. Aaron Williams- He had a down yr this yr as did the Texas defense as a whole. But this kid has the size speed and attitude to be a great CB. He's good in man to man or zone and he's bigger than Jenkins and sets the edge better. IMHO Williams will have to learn to set the edge just like Amukamara. Ibelieve and I know the experts dont agree with me, That Williams is as good as Amukamara

If Williams is there late in the 1st the Texans should trade up to get him. IMHO Williams will be a much better pro than K.Jackson. IMHO He will be a steal late in the 1st or early in the 2nd. IMHO

 

[rmartin65]

My CB ratings go like this

1. Peterson- Onve in a lifetime athlete, has size of a S feet of a CB. If he doesn't make it at CB (which I believe he will) he will be an all pro S for 10 yrs. You cant go wrong taking Peterson. IMHO

2. Amukamara- He is a really good CB, He probably will be an all pro. But it will take a little time for him to get adjusted to the NFL. His physical brand of covering the WR's doesn't translate as well to the NFL. As Peterson or Harris.

3.Harris- He remids me of Ryan McNeil type CB. He is good at covering WR's and will set the edge against the run. Harris may make a pro bowl or 2 and be a solid 10 yr starter. But he doesn't have the upside of the top 2 CB's. IMHO

4. Aaron Williams- He had a down yr this yr as did the Texas defense as a whole. But this kid has the size speed and attitude to be a great CB. He's good in man to man or zone and he's bigger than Jenkins and sets the edge better. IMHO Williams will have to learn to set the edge just like Amukamara. Ibelieve and I know the experts dont agree with me, That Williams is as good as Amukamara

If Williams is there late in the 1st the Texans should trade up to get him. IMHO Williams will be a much better pro than K.Jackson. IMHO He will be a steal late in the 1st or early in the 2nd. IMHO

I dont think you have enough IMHOs in there steelb.

Anyway, I agree with your breakdown of the first 3 guys, with the minor exception that, while I agree Peterson could be a great CB, his best position in the NFL would be FS, and he would help this team a ton at the position.

About Williams- I am not one of the experts, but I agree with them here. Williams looks like a 2nd/3rd rounder to me. He will stick in the NFL for a decade, but as a 3rd CB, maybe 2nd for a couple years in his prime.

 

[dream_team]

Do you honestly see the Texans take a CB with the first pick? Who's spot does he take? I think Glover has been playing well as of late. And are we already calling it quits on Kareem Jackson?

I'd prefer to go free safety in the first round... Pending someone is there worth taking.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Do you honestly see the Texans take a CB with the first pick? Who's spot does he take? I think Glover has been playing well as of late. And are we already calling it quits on Kareem Jackson?

I'd prefer to go free safety in the first round... Pending someone is there worth taking.

That's the problem. There are NO safeties worth taking in the first round at the position we're going to be drafting. Unless if we moved down the draft and go for a guy like Deunta Williams (UNC) and pick up some draft picks in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[steelbtexan]

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And yes I can see that my ADD is alive and well. LOL

 

[rmartin65]

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And yes I can see that my ADD is alive and well. LOL

No worries, I wasn't making fun man. I have a friend who does the same thing, different phrase, but same idea.

 

[76Texan]

Do you honestly see the Texans take a CB with the first pick? Who's spot does he take? I think Glover has been playing well as of late. And are we already calling it quits on Kareem Jackson?

I'd prefer to go free safety in the first round... Pending someone is there worth taking.

In the off-season, I hope to have time to break down each play (I have but mostly just in my mind; I just haven't put hardly any of them into written words.)

Overall, our 3 CBs (KJ, Quin, and Allen) did not play any worse than the combination of the CBs that we have faced the whole year.
(They may even played better, but I'm not ready to say that!)
They just didn't have the same help as the CBs from the other teams had from a multitude of source (safeties, pressure up front, as well as the help from LBs in the short zones.)

KJ, IMHO, can play CB even though he may not become a first-tier cover corner.
He has the skill set to play nickel or FS as well.
He's a very good tackler and he can get off blockers to get to the ball (as a FS, that would help this team a lot). I do not like the idea of Quin at FS for this reason.
As a nickel, KJ can be near the QB and RB more often where we can send him in on a blitz or a run blitz, situations in which his ability can be maximized; however, I also think that Quin can be utilized much the same way.

I don't have problem with drafting a CB and shift KJ to the FS spot if there's no first-round grade safety in this draft.

No matter what, we need more pressure up front; especially in the middle.
Hopefully Mario can be healthier than this year and that Barwin can come back 100%.
With Anderson and Jamison outside, we can use Smith more on the inside so that we can have a deeper rotation and the guys can go all out on each play.
A good NT in the draft wouldn't hurt either.

 

[76Texan]

It's not neccessary to get production from the CB position only from using your first round pick. Matter of fact if the powers that be remain there should be a moratorium on taking a first round db. Problem is I don't know what the Texans are really good at developing/projecting other than offense. Maybe Rhodes can step up if his health allows? we need a defensive guru who not only has an eye for talent but also knows how & where to line them up on Sundays

I would like to see use of a 2nd or 3rd on a NFL caliber CB. Chase Minnifield, son of former NFL Pro-Bowl CB Frank Minnifield, plays for Virginia has submitted paperwork to the NFL advisory board. He'll get a mid 2nd to mid 3rd round grade, if that's enough to entice him Texans might bring him in for a workout? Good measureables, 6-0 185 4.45 forty.

Thanks for mentioning about Minnifield.
I've been wanting to watch that CB from Virginia 6'2 Ras-I Dowling, so I can spend time watching Minnifield as well.

Any thought on Dowling?

Also, thanks to Texan4ever for all the infos and videos.

 

[76Texan]

Duplication... Deleted.

 

[beerlover]

In the off-season, I hope to have time to break down each play (I have but mostly just in my mind; I just haven't put hardly any of them into written words.)

Overall, our 3 CBs (KJ, Quin, and Allen) did not play any worse than the combination of the CBs that we have faced the whole year.
(They may even played better, but I'm not ready to say that!)
They just didn't have the same help as the CBs from the other teams had from a multitude of source (safeties, pressure up front, as well as the help from LBs in the short zones.)

KJ, IMHO, can play CB even though he may not become a first-tier cover corner.
He has the skill set to play nickel or FS as well.
He's a very good tackler and he can get off blockers to get to the ball (as a FS, that would help this team a lot). I do not like the idea of Quin at FS for this reason.
As a nickel, KJ can be near the QB and RB more often where we can send him in on a blitz or a run blitz, situations in which his ability can be maximized; however, I also think that Quin can be utilized much the same way.

I don't have problem with drafting a CB and shift KJ to the FS spot if there's no first-round grade safety in this draft.

No matter what, we need more pressure up front; especially in the middle.
Hopefully Mario can be healthier than this year and that Barwin can come back 100%.
With Anderson and Jamison outside, we can use Smith more on the inside so that we can have a deeper rotation and the guys can go all out on each play.
A good NT in the draft wouldn't hurt either.

some good stuff. Wonder if Kubiak would consider moving Kareem to FS? what about moving Quinn to SS? one thing for sure is the secondary would look alot different. Quinn is second only to Pollard in tackles, is also physical but gives Texans huge upgrade in coverage. Kareem is 4th on team in tackles would like to see him over the top more to support other cb's since he must have a better understanding what it's like not to have any support & do his best to cover-up soft zone or mis-matches on edge.

would like Texans first rd. pecking order to look something like this -
1. Marcell Dareus
2. Nick Fairley
3. Adrian Clayborn
4. Stephen Paea
then address CB in 2nd
1. Chase Minnifield
2. Ras-I Dowling
plus pick up a top flight vet free agent cb
1. Champ Bailey
2. Eric Wright

results would be a better pass rush, less time for QB's to make good reads/throws into a much tighter secondary.

 

[gwallaia]

I would like to see the Texans wheel and deal and move up to get Peterson.

 

[JB]

I would like to see the Texans wheel and deal and move up to get Peterson.

I would like to see Fairley.

 

[76Texan]

would like Texans first rd. pecking order to look something like this -
1. Marcell Dareus
2. Nick Fairley
3. Adrian Clayborn
4. Stephen Paea
then address CB in 2nd
1. Chase Minnifield
2. Ras-I Dowling
plus pick up a top flight vet free agent cb
1. Champ Bailey
2. Eric Wright

results would be a better pass rush, less time for QB's to make good reads/throws into a much tighter secondary.

I like that!

I haven't watched Dowling play but can he be converted to safety?
Maybe one of the guys from Clemson also?

 

[Rey]

I can't see the Texans taking a corner in the first if this regime is still here.

I just don't see Kubiak shelving Kareem Jackson that quickly...I think he will give him every opprotunity to be a starter next year...

 

[powda]

I can't see the Texans taking a corner in the first if this regime is still here.

They better bring in some veteran Cb's and draft one as early as possible. This secondary was almost historically bad. It's a shame the entire defense got a bad name because of them.

I have to wonder about something out loud...

Typically a strong safety is the more physical of the 2 safeties because he has to match up on occasion with tightends and ofcourse he plays on the strong side of the formation. I get the initial thoughts on a profile for the position...but here's what "strong safety" has come to mean...

Can't cover...limited range

Eugene Wilson is the only true Free safety on the roster. He wouldn't start for another team in the league. What i'd like to see is 2 Free Safety types drafted high who have man coverage skills, lots of range, and and a knack for interceptions...

Every Defensive Coordinator depends on turnovers and they spend countless hours in practice focusing on the topic. Here's a clue...

1. When the ball is in the air it belongs to whomever can get to it first.
2. If you want more turnovers, bring in defenders who can catch the ball.
3. Focus on safeties with a consitent career record for interceptions. (This usually indicates hands and instincts but not always)

As far as the strong safety concept (slow enforcer), if i want limited range, poor coverage skills, but hits like a truck players i'd put a 4th or 5th linebacker on the field.

my perfect draft =

rd1 cb
rd2 fs
rd3 ss (fs skill set)

 

[Texan4Ever]

5.) Ras-I Dowling (Virginia)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUDcKqcHuK8 VS. UNC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmWJb1gPIEM&feature=related VS. Various

Ras-I Dowling is tall (6'2" 200-Lbs) but has decent speed to stay with receivers and can shed blocks and get to the ball-carrier. He may have to switch to the safety position once he goes pro, which shouldn't be a problem since he has good hands and can hit.

He would project as a free safety and can help defend against the pass up top and does a solid job in coverage. If the Texans do draft him, he would be an excellent complement to Bernard Pollard or whoever is playing the SS position.

 

[76Texan]

I can't see the Texans taking a corner in the first if this regime is still here.

I just don't see Kubiak shelving Kareem Jackson that quickly...I think he will give him every opprotunity to be a starter next year...

I don't think shelving is anywhere near the term.
It has more to do with finding solution for the whole defense as a whole, and the secondary as a unit.

If the draft and free agency can only bring a good CB, I would definitely consider moving KJ to the FS position.

If we can find a good safety, we wouldn't have to do it.

That was why I was wondering if Dowling can play safety.
On another note, I just happen to watch a Maryland game and I found Kenny Tate pretty interesting.
He's a Jr and may declare. I'm planning to watch more of his games.
Anybody has an idea?

 

[Texan4Ever]

I don't think shelving is anywhere near the term.
It has more to do with finding solution for the whole defense as a whole, and the secondary as a unit.

If the draft and free agency can only bring a good CB, I would definitely consider moving KJ to the FS position.

If we can find a good safety, we wouldn't have to do it.

That was why I was wondering if Dowling can play safety.
On another note, I just happen to watch a Maryland game and I found Kenny Tate pretty interesting.
He's a Jr and may declare. I'm planning to watch more of his games.
Anybody has an idea?

I'm not sure about moving KJ to the safety position, we drafted him as a corner and will probably keep him there for a few years and see if he pans out.

As for Dowling, I think he can play FS well enough because of his ability to cover receivers and still pack a punch when he has to go after the ball carrier. If we could draft him and coach him up, he would be a big improvement over what we currently have.

 

[steelbtexan]

Tate is super talented,big 6'3 220, fast a reported 4.4.

He's a former WR that has only been playing S for about 1.5 yrs.

For that reason I wouldn't take him until the 3-4th rd. But he has late 1st early 2nd rd talent.

 

[Wolf6151]

I think that Ras-I Dowling will be a better FS than CB. I haven't seen him much but have read that he plays stiff and isn't very good in his change of direction. He's got good size and will probably be a good FS.

I'll gladly settle for Brandon Harris but I'd much rather we trade up for Prince Amukamara. I think that the 2011 draft is a weak one thus alot of guys are going to go higher than they otherwise would and that would make it a good time to trade up.

I also think that this could be a great opportunity to really help out our secondary by taking a CB in the 1st round and a FS in the 2nd round. There are several good FS that should be available in the 2nd round since none of them seem to be 1st round talent. We could possibly have our pick of Deunta Williams, Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter, or DeAndre McDaniels. If we could pick up a good DT in FA it would really free up our draft to fill the needs in the secondary.

 

[Texan4Ever]

I think that Ras-I Dowling will be a better FS than CB. I haven't seen him much but have read that he plays stiff and isn't very good in his change of direction. He's got good size and will probably be a good FS.

I'll gladly settle for Brandon Harris but I'd much rather we trade up for Prince Amukamara. I think that the 2011 draft is a weak one thus alot of guys are going to go higher than they otherwise would and that would make it a good time to trade up.

IMO, I would much rather have Brandon Harris than Prince Amukamara. Harris does so may things well (e.g. cover WRs, shed blocks, make open-field tackles) that I think he may be better than Prince at the CB position.

 

[texanchris]

I think that Ras-I Dowling will be a better FS than CB. I haven't seen him much but have read that he plays stiff and isn't very good in his change of direction. He's got good size and will probably be a good FS.

I'll gladly settle for Brandon Harris but I'd much rather we trade up for Prince Amukamara. I think that the 2011 draft is a weak one thus alot of guys are going to go higher than they otherwise would and that would make it a good time to trade up.

I also think that this could be a great opportunity to really help out our secondary by taking a CB in the 1st round and a FS in the 2nd round. There are several good FS that should be available in the 2nd round since none of them seem to be 1st round talent. We could possibly have our pick of Deunta Williams, Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter, or DeAndre McDaniels. If we could pick up a good DT in FA it would really free up our draft to fill the needs in the secondary.

Dont you guys think that if we draft more rookie secondary players that the same inexperience that showed up this year will show up next year? We should pick up a free saftey during free agency because we need experience in the pass defense. Prince looks good and i would like us to draft him but we have Kareem who the coaches arent going to give up on yet, Quinn who has been playing well lately, and Allen who isnt perfect but is arguably our best cornerback right now. Dont think there is room for another cornerback.

 

[beerlover]

Dont you guys think that if we draft more rookie secondary players that the same inexperience that showed up this year will show up next year? We should pick up a free saftey during free agency because we need experience in the pass defense. Prince looks good and i would like us to draft him but we have Kareem who the coaches arent going to give up on yet, Quinn who has been playing well lately, and Allen who isnt perfect but is arguably our best cornerback right now. Dont think there is room for another cornerback.

Texans should, will address cb in free agnecy. Rick Smith should have never let the whole Dunta Robinson scenero get to the point it did, he was a foundation piece at least from an experience point the Texans have severly lacked without his leadership. Worst mistake of his GM tenure.

I'm all for adding one more talented cb via the draft who has the instincts & pedigree to develop into a first rate cb in the NFL. I like Minnifield (Virginia) in 2nd and/or Carmichael in 3rd (Virginia Tech).

 

[Wolf6151]

Prince looks good and i would like us to draft him but we have Kareem who the coaches arent going to give up on yet, Quinn who has been playing well lately, and Allen who isnt perfect but is arguably our best cornerback right now. Dont think there is room for another cornerback.

You do realize that teams carry more than 3 CB's, the Texans have 6 on their roster. I'm sure that a 1st round CB would improve the talent level and make a roster leach like Antwaun Molden expendable. We currently have 1 guy who's average at best, Allen, 2 guys that have potential, Quinn and Jackson, and 3 guys that suck, McCain, McManis, and Molden. No more CB's who's last name starts with an "M".

 

[Rey]

I don't think shelving is anywhere near the term.
It has more to do with finding solution for the whole defense as a whole, and the secondary as a unit.

If the draft and free agency can only bring a good CB, I would definitely consider moving KJ to the FS position.

If we can find a good safety, we wouldn't have to do it.

That was why I was wondering if Dowling can play safety.
On another note, I just happen to watch a Maryland game and I found Kenny Tate pretty interesting.
He's a Jr and may declare. I'm planning to watch more of his games.
Anybody has an idea?

I hear what you are saying, but this staff has not shown that they will do what you are talking about...

Maybe since the bottom fell out on him Kubiak will be willing to do some things differently, but based on past history, Kubiak is loyal to his players for a bit longer than he should be loyal to them...

 

[steelbtexan]

Dont you guys think that if we draft more rookie secondary players that the same inexperience that showed up this year will show up next year? We should pick up a free saftey during free agency because we need experience in the pass defense. Prince looks good and i would like us to draft him but we have Kareem who the coaches arent going to give up on yet, Quinn who has been playing well lately, and Allen who isnt perfect but is arguably our best cornerback right now. Dont think there is room for another cornerback.

Disagree

A great CB via FA or the draft improves the secondary immensley. I dont care how many average CB's are on the roster. With that said the LB,S,DT positions have more value in this draft. IMHO

 

[Wolf6151]

The Texans have 4 obvious weaknesses on defense DT, CB, FS, and WLB. Not all of these positions can be filled with starter level talent in one draft. I think the Texans will look at the problem from a monetary point of view as it relates to FA as well as a talent/draft pick point of view. DT's and CB's are much more expensive in FA than FS and WLB thus I think the Texans will most likely try to fill the WLB and FS in FA and DT and CB in the draft. Of course all of this is speculation at best since the CBA and possible new head coach issues are still up in the air. I also think that our very young CB's would benefit from an experienced FS backing them up more than an experienced CB with a rookie FS.

 

[beerlover]

The Texans have 4 obvious weaknesses on defense DT, CB, FS, and WLB. Not all of these positions can be filled with starter level talent in one draft. I think the Texans will look at the problem from a monetary point of view as it relates to FA as well as a talent/draft pick point of view. DT's and CB's are much more expensive in FA than FS and WLB thus I think the Texans will most likely try to fill the WLB and FS in FA and DT and CB in the draft. Of course all of this is speculation at best since the CBA and possible new head coach issues are still up in the air. I also think that our very young CB's would benefit from an experienced FS backing them up more than an experienced CB with a rookie FS.

we have an experienced FS via free agency, his name is Eugene Wilson. point is whatever the position, elite talent brings an elite price tag regardless. Lets spend some of Bob McNairs money for him that he's saving by retaining Kubiak & Company, sign Champ Bailey.

that's what I want the Texans to do for a belated Christmas present

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans have 4 obvious weaknesses on defense DT, CB, FS, and WLB. Not all of these positions can be filled with starter level talent in one draft. I think the Texans will look at the problem from a monetary point of view as it relates to FA as well as a talent/draft pick point of view. DT's and CB's are much more expensive in FA than FS and WLB thus I think the Texans will most likely try to fill the WLB and FS in FA and DT and CB in the draft. Of course all of this is speculation at best since the CBA and possible new head coach issues are still up in the air. I also think that our very young CB's would benefit from an experienced FS backing them up more than an experienced CB with a rookie FS.

There are some very good S in this draft. If R.Smith does his job and I question his ablilities. He should be able to fill 3 of the 4 needs in FA. Adding a cheaper DT in FA like Abrayou Franklin or Barry Coffield would help give a guy that can help give a push in the middle that this team has been lacking since Seth Payne left.

Then in the draft guys that should be available in rds 1-4 to fill the needs will be there. Guys that I know you like

Rd.1 Harris or Miller
Rd.2 Herzlich or Minniefield
Rd.3 Amhad Black or Steven Friday
Rd.4 Will Hill or Nate Irving

You can fill these spots of weakness by trading up to the bottom of rds 2/3. But R.Smith has to be agressive and smart. After he spends hours of watching film himself. Instead of just relying on his scouts notes.

It requires hard work that so far in R.Smith's drafts it has become apparent he has not been willing or is incapable of doing. But the players will be there it's Smith's job to find those players.

It would help if Kubes would schedule his offseason surgeries at a time when the Combine isn't happening.

 

[TexansSeminole]

There are some very good S in this draft.

There are definitely some good ones to be had in this draft. Guys like DeAndre McDaniel, Deunta Williams, Ahmad Black, Rahim Moore, Tyler Sash, and Mark Barron aren't blue chippers but they are all good prospects. We have no excuse to not get one of these guys this year.

McDaniel, Williams, and Black all have great leadership qualities to them and tend to get people in position before plays start. I don't know if that's part of being a senior, but it's difficult not to notice.

 

[steelbtexan]

There are definitely some good ones to be had in this draft. Guys like DeAndre McDaniel, Deunta Williams, Ahmad Black, Rahim Moore, Tyler Sash, and Mark Barron aren't blue chippers but they are all good prospects. We have no excuse to not get one of these guys this year.

McDaniel, Williams, and Black all have great leadership qualities to them and tend to get people in position before plays start. I don't know if that's part of being a senior, but it's difficult not to notice.

My favorites that should be availabe in the 3/4 th rd are
1.Sash
2.Black
3.Hill
4. Carter
5.Sands

Williams will be gone before the 3rd rd. IMHO

After drafting a Sash in the 3rd, Smith should trade back into the 3rd rd and draft Black or Hill. That way the S position would be fixed for yrs. Smithiak wont do this because in last yrs draft the S position was very deep and they decided drarfting more TE's was the way to go. It shows how little Smithiak value the S position.

Although the CB's were bad this yr Pollard and Wilson provided little help over the top and made below avg CB's look like some of the worst in history of the NFL.

 

[Rey]

we have an experienced FS via free agency, his name is Eugene Wilson. point is whatever the position, elite talent brings an elite price tag regardless. Lets spend some of Bob McNairs money for him that he's saving by retaining Kubiak & Company, sign Champ Bailey.

that's what I want the Texans to do for a belated Christmas present

What kind of contract would you give Champ Bailey????

If I'm Champ, why do I want to come here?

Seems like it'd take some good money to get him in here...Much more money than any competitors are offering...

 

[beerlover]

What kind of contract would you give Champ Bailey????

If I'm Champ, why do I want to come here?

Seems like it'd take some good money to get him in here...Much more money than any competitors are offering...

1. there is the Denver connection.
2. plenty of football left still only 32
3. better cb than Dunta Robinson

contract could be structured similar to Dunta Robinson contract. Big number 57 million but misleading in fact that its not all guarenteed, there are incentives plus team options where they can buy out contract early if so justified. Here’s the breakdown on Dunta Robinson six-year contract, which included a $7 million signing bonus:

He’s sent to receive base salaries of $5 million in 2010, $5.5 million in 2011, $6 million in 2012, $7 million in 2013, $9 million in 2014 and $9.5 million in 2015.

He’s also set to receive a $3 million bonus in the second year of the deal and could also receive another $5 million in option bonuses.

His salary cap numbers are $12 million in 2010, $6.5 million in 2011, $7.75 million in 2012, $8.75 million in 2013, $10.75 million in 2014 and $11.25 million in 2015.

 

[Texan4Ever]

I wouldn't mind bringing Champ Bailey in, he is a leader who is still feared by opposing QBs and WRs, he can provide on-the-field as well as off-the-field mentoring to our young DBs, and he can also help our offense out by going up against our WRs not named Andre and get them to improve there game.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

I wouldn't mind bringing Champ Bailey in, he is a leader who is still feared by opposing QBs and WRs, he can provide on-the-field as well as off-the-field mentoring to our young DBs, and he can also help our offense out by going up against our WRs not named Andre and get them to improve there game.

Slightly off topic here but it makes me think that maybe why JJ, DA and DD have regressed or not really come on is that they spend their time practicing against our secondary and have become complacent about what it takes in the actual NFL against a real NFL secondary.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Slightly off topic here but it makes me think that maybe why JJ, DA and DD have regressed or not really come on is that they spend their time practicing against our secondary and have become complacent about what it takes in the actual NFL against a real NFL secondary.

That too, I agree with this as well. This offseason, for once I would like for the Texans to make a splash in the FA and get a guy with a proven track record to help us out regardless of what side of the ball it's on (I prefer a defensive player).

 

[steelbtexan]

That too, I agree with this as well. This offseason, for once I would like for the Texans to make a splash in the FA and get a guy with a proven track record to help us out regardless of what side of the ball it's on (I prefer a defensive player).

Agreed

But since it's not likely to happen. I will settle for a guy like Coffield that can provide stability in the middle of the DL.

 

[beerlover]

The Texans must use Free Agency this offseason to springboard into the draft, through OTA's, Fall camp, Pre-season & into the 2011 playoffs.

this is their last shot for me, I will unsubscribe otherwise

 

[Texan4Ever]

The Texans must use Free Agency this offseason to springboard into the draft, through OTA's, Fall camp, Pre-season & into the 2011 playoffs.

this is their last shot for me, I will unsubscribe otherwise

As soon as FA starts, our GM better hit the phones like the dude in your smiley!

 

[steelbtexan]

The Texans must use Free Agency this offseason to springboard into the draft, through OTA's, Fall camp, Pre-season & into the 2011 playoffs.

this is their last shot for me, I will unsubscribe otherwise

LOL

They have never used FA before to improve the team and the build through the draft sheeple failed to understand that when your behind the 8 ball so to speak. You have to make moves (spend $$$ over pay for a Bailey for ex. ) to rise above mediocrity.

So far this hasn't happened since the Texans inception. I dont expect this to change any time soon. However if the right people were put in place this team could be really good in 2-3 yrs. With a good personel dept.

 

[YoungTexanFan]

Look folks, the type of FS everyone is clamoring for won't EVER be available on the FA market. EVER. Let that sink in. We would have to trade our entire first day away as a starting point for one as well.

I have the unfortunate privilege of watching the Chiefs play most weekends. Their defense wasn't good last year. They had a good LB (DJ - we passed on him, but Ryans and Cushing are both better) and they have a mediocre pass rusher in Hali (Mario is significantly better). They spent quite a few high draft picks on DTs who have only floundered around and disappointed (sound familiar?). Then, they DRAFTED Eric Berry. An elite level FS. He changed their entire defense. They have a QB who I call Matt Schaub light. They have Bowe as their #1 WR. Seriously, he is terrible. Absolutely terrible. We have a better QB, WR, LB, DE and a few more pieces. They have a strong running game like us. The difference is that they have true game changing FS. That's what we need, unfortunately, there isn't one in this draft. We should be aspiring to have a turnaround like the Chiefs.

Accept that and move along.

 

[PapaL]

Donte Witner is probably going to be a FA. Free Agency is the place to look for us. Even then we won't land an "elite" FS but one that's 1000 times better than we have.

 

[steelbtexan]

Look folks, the type of FS everyone is clamoring for won't EVER be available on the FA market. EVER. Let that sink in. We would have to trade our entire first day away as a starting point for one as well.

I have the unfortunate privilege of watching the Chiefs play most weekends. Their defense wasn't good last year. They had a good LB (DJ - we passed on him, but Ryans and Cushing are both better) and they have a mediocre pass rusher in Hali (Mario is significantly better). They spent quite a few high draft picks on DTs who have only floundered around and disappointed (sound familiar?). Then, they DRAFTED Eric Berry. An elite level FS. He changed their entire defense. They have a QB who I call Matt Schaub light. They have Bowe as their #1 WR. Seriously, he is terrible. Absolutely terrible. We have a better QB, WR, LB, DE and a few more pieces. They have a strong running game like us. The difference is that they have true game changing FS. That's what we need, unfortunately, there isn't one in this draft. We should be aspiring to have a turnaround like the Chiefs.

Accept that and move along.

While I agree with your premise.

The main difference between the Texans and the Chiefs is Haley was secure enough in himself to hie 2 Coordinators that have SB rings. Kubiak on the otherhand.....

 

[steelbtexan]

Donte Witner is probably going to be a FA. Free Agency is the place to look for us. Even then we won't land an "elite" FS but one that's 1000 times better than we have.

Signing Whitner would be a low cost solution. Along with drafting another S in rds 3/4.

Does anybody know if the Texans will get a 3rd as a compensatory pick for losing Dunta? If so that would be huge.