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McNair Will Keep Kubiak....Announcement forthcoming

That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
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LOL

Where do you come up with this stuff?
 
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.

4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their pas teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.
 
The thing is, our offense HAS shown that it can run the 2 minute, and make a HUGE comeback (ravens, jets, and eagles games). But realize this

We shouldnt HAVE TO SCORE 28+ to barely win a game. IF your offense is putting up that amount and you arent winning..its clearly the D. We should put up 17 a game and win easily...But every game were forced to score at least 28 which is ridiculous. :kubepalm:

The break over point is scoring 20 pts gives you a 50-50 chance of winning. 28 pts and the odds go down to about 25%.

The Texans had to score 30 + to win this yr. The odds of winning are about 15 %. It's actually amazing that they've won 5 games this yr.
 
I'm as disappointed as everyone else, but it is what it is.

All I can do as a Texans fan is support my team, even if I disagree with the direction they're taking. I don't have season tickets, so I don't have that moral dilemma of pouring more money into this black hole.

I have said all season, if we just had the league's 25th worst defense instead of the worst or second worst, we would be in the playoffs. As good as the offense can be at times, imagine how better they would be with two or three more possessions a game thanks to an even mediocre defense as opposed to the horrendous one we have now. Assuming those possessions don't happen with less than two minutes before halftime. :kubepalm:

None of that is to say that I endorse this move...I want Kubiak fired.
 
:kubepalm: :wadepalm:

Bravo Bottom Line Bob, you have cracked the top 3 worst owners in the NFL with this crap. You are a joke and I hate you for what you are doing. I wish you'd die and your son Cal would take over. He can't be as big a moron as you. We are right there with the Bills as the biggest jokes in the NFL

That is without question the dumbest thing I have anyone say in along time. You with death upon a man because he makes poor FOOTBALL decisions. Never mind what kind of man Bob Mcnair and all the good he has done for this city through charities and the YMCA, but at the end of the day the only reason we have NFL football in this city is due to his 700 million dollar investment, It may be a bad product at this time but its NFL football! Have you ever stopped to think that you deserve a bad football team? No Houston, Not other fans, just you. Anyone who would wish death upon someone over sport in my opinion deserves far worse than a mediocre football team if karma has anything to say about it!
 
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their pas teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.

I really hope that when/if Kubiak gets fired after next season, Wade does not take over HC duties. Hopefully with all of the respect Mcnair has for Bum, Wade isn't the next HC in waiting.

I would not like that very much.

I can already see us speculating and bitching about Wade mid season.

Guh.
 
That is without question the dumbest thing I have anyone say in along time. You with death upon a man because he makes poor FOOTBALL decisions. Never mind what kind of man Bob Mcnair and all the good he has done for this city through charities and the YMCA, but at the end of the day the only reason we have NFL football in this city is due to his 700 million dollar investment, It may be a bad product at this time but its NFL football! Have you ever stopped to think that you deserve a bad football team? No Houston, Not other fans, just you. Anyone who would wish death upon someone over sport in my opinion deserves far worse than a mediocre football team if karma has anything to say about it!

I think he backed off the die comment.

Now he's only wishing for a debilitating stroke or something. LOL
 
That's been the problem all along. For once, it would be nice for him to use his brain.
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Funny. I always thought he was thinking out of his ass. To me, the toes would be "on the right track".


On another note, does anyone have any word on why Parcells came to Houston? Did he come to advise Mcnair or something?
 
The thing is, our offense HAS shown that it can run the 2 minute, and make a HUGE comeback (ravens, jets, and eagles games). But realize this

We shouldnt HAVE TO SCORE 28+ to barely win a game. IF your offense is putting up that amount and you arent winning..its clearly the D. We should put up 17 a game and win easily...But every game were forced to score at least 28 which is ridiculous. :kubepalm:
This is what frustrates me so much. There's been a lot of times this season where Schaub has taken us down the field and scored to tie/give us the lead. He CAN engineer that comeback and has. (I still don't like the inconsistent play). As much as people complain about our defense, I could care less about the "yards" we give up... we give up way too many POINTS. It's incredible. Not only giving those up but letting those teams score the go ahead TDs with less than a minute remaining.

I just picture if Wade Phillips was our defensive coordinator this season. Say what you will about him as a HC but he's light years better on the D than Frank Bush. He's a very good DC. I'm not saying Wade needed to have our team at Top 10, but top 20 would have been good enough for playoffs. We're giving up too many points, that's the issue. A SLIGHTLY better defense would have given us wins against SD, JAC, NYJ, DEN and possibly either PHI/BAL. That's 5 wins that I think our Defense literally gave away. We should be sitting at 10-5 right now having clinched the division. Worst case we'd tie with Indy and would hold virtually all the tie breaking scenarios.
Here's a few thoughts I have if this is true. (some have been mentioned already)

1. No other interviews? Why do the Texans always do this? They just pick one guy who they think is the answer and go with him sight unseen. Will be interesting if he's announced the DC quickly. I would like to see a few interviews even if Wade had been "guaranteed" the job. Not to sugarcoat anything but for Smith/McNair to be in contact with more people around the league. Get an idea how they like the other candidates if for nothing else a possible hire in the future. Hell who knows if Rick Smith could use the practice in interviewing. just a suggestion. In any event, I really believe Wade Phillips is the #1 candidate out there and probably the most coveted for a DC role.

2. If this happens, it will convince me that this whole thing was planed out weeks ago. McNair's endorsement after MNF and Bush out late drinking in Denver kinda make me think that McNair told Kubiak he was safe but he had to make a change at DC.Wouldn't surprise me.

3. Would Phillips really come here if Kubiak's job is on the line next season? If the Texans end up at 5 or 6 wins again next year Kubiak will definitely be fired. (I think) What does that mean for Wade? 1 year here, and fired with Kubiak? That's a huge risk.It wouldn't surprise me. I think he's familiar with the team and our circumstances whatever they may be. He knows we have had one of the top offenses in the league the last few years and our defense has been beyond suck. We've got talent, McNair/Smith have probably told him we're gonna get you some new players too. The potential for our defense to drastically improve is there and we could. The importance of the 2011 season and any failure should def. be a concern for Phillips, IMO. In the same sense, if he Kubiak were to leave and Wade were not to stick in Houston, his chances of finding a DC spot in the league next year are still there. I don't think his rep would be tarnished. I think the Houston gig here is just too good of an opportunity for him.

4. A new DC probably won't be enough. They are going to have to aquire some serious talent, and quickly. The ultra conservative approach to trades, free agency, and risk taking will have to go out the window.Totally agree. I WANT to believe McNair and Smith will be more willing to make some moves. Particularly getting a free agent CB like Champ Bailey in here.

5. On that note, coaches usually bring players from their past teams to their new ones. I wonder who Wade may try to bring in here.Marcus Spears is will be a FA and is familiar with Wade, obviously. I wonder if he could entice him to come. Could be a decent pickup to add to our depth , IMO. Mario, Antonio, Spears, Anderson and Barwin. He would really help if Wade wants to run a hybrid 4-3, 3-4 kind of system. or at least do a little bit of both schemes... or eventually transition over full time.
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This franchise is a ****ing joke, except the only people that get to enjoy the punchline are our divisional rivals and other NFL fans. I can't believe there's another poster who actually created a thread criticizing other fans for making the decision to pull the plug on their PSLs with decisions like this, especially with the economy we currently live it.

Some people love this team good or bad, accept it.

I already have accepted that people are going to jump ship.
 
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.
 
First I wil say I am not a fan of Kubiak. I would be happy to see him go just so i dont have to hear, "in this league" anymore. With that being said here are a few things to think about. I think everyone would agree that the defense is the main problem with this team. It is Kubiaks fault for bringing in people to run this train wreck "Ole defense". Our offense is more than decent currently 5th best in total offense http://www.nfl.com/stats/team . Foster is the league leading rusher. The houston Texans O-line is the lightest smallest line in the league. Players have been brought in to run the zone scheme. A new coaching staff is going bring in his own guys which means we would have to rebuild not only the defense but the offense as well. How long would that take? In the last few years there have been a few examples of early success with new coaches(Atlanta, Baltimore, Miami) but, those teams did not do a total overhaul. We should be careful what we wish for. Maybe this is just me trying to talk myself into believing in Kubiak/Wade. Whatever the final decision is i hope for the best for the Texans. GO TEXANS!!!
 
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.
I can totally see that being the case. I do have a question in regards to Rick Smith though. How much involvement does he have with the players? I mean other than being a part of the draft/free agency bit and in on negotiating their contracts/extensions.... does he have any involvement? You see him on the sidelines at practice and all, but I would think that friction between a player and GM isn't that uncommon.
 
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)
 
Some people love this team good or bad, accept it.

I already have accepted that people are going to jump ship.

Let 'em jump ship if that's what they want. I really don't define my fanship of the Texans by what others think. If they are drinking kool-aid, fine, if they hate the world and the Texans as well, fine. I'm going to be here cheering for the Texans as long as I breathe.

Doesn't mean I won't be mixing in some bitching about things while I'm cheering them on though.

For the record, I don't like keeping Kubiak and bringing in Wade Phillips as DC. I know Phillips will improve the defense, but that's not the point. I don't want Kubiak back here next year. But, if we get another year of him, if won't change the fact I'll still be rooting for the Texans to win, just like I'll be doing this coming Sunday. I want them to win, and I don't give a rat's ass if it messes up our draft placement.
 
The break over point is scoring 20 pts gives you a 50-50 chance of winning. 28 pts and the odds go down to about 25%.

The Texans had to score 30 + to win this yr. The odds of winning are about 15 %. It's actually amazing that they've won 5 games this yr.

So... we're doing good ? :)
 
Funny. I always thought he was thinking out of his ass. To me, the toes would be "on the right track".


On another note, does anyone have any word on why Parcells came to Houston? Did he come to advise Mcnair or something?


It was Barry Warner on 610 that revealed a very little known fact. McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."
 
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)

Yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. What pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven HCs out there looking for jobs (Cowher and Gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the Vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:
 
So there is still at least a shimmer of hope that Kubiak will be fired? If this whole Wade thing comes true Cowboy fans will eat us alive. Now we have two marshmallow coaches patroling our sidelines and one of them is a Cowboys reject.
 
yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. what pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven hcs out there looking for jobs (cowher and gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:

^^^^this^^^^
 
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)

Yeah. Vanderhomer was in rare form this morning. What pisses me off about this whole scenario is that there are proven HCs out there looking for jobs (Cowher and Gruden) and we have an opportunity to grab one of them. However, due to this town's idiotic obsession with home town heros, the 49ers or maybe the Vikings will make the playoffs before we do. :brickwall: :clown:

Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.
 
Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.

He's talking like it's a done deal. And believe me he is making it sound more than obvious he is on board with this big time and he must have warned Lopez before the show to keep himself in check because Lopez has been unusalluy low key on it.
 
Is Vandermeer talking like this is a done deal or is he responding to the speculation?

Either way, this speaks volumes coming from the organization's mouthpiece.

I don't blame Vandermeer. That's his second employer so I don't expect an unbiased opinion. But I can't believe we are missing out. I think we are close and a good coaching staff and gm would get us over the hump. I might as well get used to seeing alot of this next season.

:kubepalm::wadepalm:
 
Okay. So I'm at work and for fear of losing my job, I cannot go to specifics because this former player is a client. However, I just got through talking with a former Texan player. The meat and potatos of what he said was that, the organization is pretty much in a state of confusion and primarily it is because of the major egos that are around that organization. He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble. He also stated that this was a move they were starting to make as of last year and even going back to 2008.

Now he was probably even more bland in his conversation, being very careful with his words so take that for what it is worth. However his comments lead me to believe that players like Kubiak but the real issue in all of this could be Rick Smith. The Dunta situation is screaming all over this. When you go back and see how he didn't back down from his side of the story and he gets a one way ticket out of here and how OD and Demeco were the same and then all of a sudden decided to keep their mouth shut, you begin to wonder why.

Like I said, I'm speculating on a former players speculation so don't quote any of this. That player could just be bitter also. Please don't ask me what player because I will not tell you. Most on this board know that I'm a Christian man and I have no reason to lie on this. I can tell you this player did play with us during the 07 and 08 season and I believe he was cut in preseason of 09.


How long has Will Demps been a client of yours?
 
He told me he couldn't speculate because he's no longer on the team but he said that the team let alot of decent DBs go for a younger group and that in this league there is no way that you can take that kind of gamble.

I understand it was his speculation, but even though we had the youngest secondary, the Patriots, the Chiefs, the Ravens & the Colts were pretty damn young themselves.

& as bad as our secondary the truly horrendous players were the vets.... Pollard & Wilson.
 
I guess I'm in the minority but I don't hate this decision. I'd rather have Kubiak gone but Phillips has proven he's a pretty damn good defensive coordinator. I'd rather have him as our DC under a different head coach but that seems unlikely now
 
I guess I'm in the minority but I don't hate this decision. I'd rather have Kubiak gone but Phillips has proven he's a pretty damn good defensive coordinator. I'd rather have him as our DC under a different head coach but that seems unlikely now

I agree
 
Man, I actually like listening to VanDerMeer and Lopez in the mornings via 610 online at work......but jeez Marc is pissing me off today.

Now that it seems apparant that Kubiak is staying and we will be adding Phillips...I can't help but think Marc is actually excited about this.

This is a joke. Absolute bullshit.:kubepalm:

(PS I realize Marc is just a puppet for McNair but still......just mind numbing)



Ha! I just was in the car listening to 610 around 8:30 and must have heard some of the same stuff you heard. It was pretty bad.

I'll say it again, only switching out the DC or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.
 
ha! I just was in the car listening to 610 around 8:30 and must have heard some of the same stuff you heard. It was pretty bad.

I'll say it again, only switching out the dc or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.


^^^this
 
Let 'em jump ship if that's what they want. I really don't define my fanship of the Texans by what others think. If they are drinking kool-aid, fine, if they hate the world and the Texans as well, fine. I'm going to be here cheering for the Texans as long as I breathe.

Doesn't mean I won't be mixing in some bitching about things while I'm cheering them on though.

For the record, I don't like keeping Kubiak and bringing in Wade Phillips as DC. I know Phillips will improve the defense, but that's not the point. I don't want Kubiak back here next year. But, if we get another year of him, if won't change the fact I'll still be rooting for the Texans to win, just like I'll be doing this coming Sunday. I want them to win, and I don't give a rat's ass if it messes up our draft placement.

You are a wonderful fan...... the Texans are lucky to have you.
 
I can get behind Kubiak. So long as he changes some things, like...
...becomes a real NFL head coach. And not a menu-toting, meek hermit as he is every freakin' Sunday.
I'll have a Bacardi and diet Coke on the rocks please.
This might make me start drinking again.
All I can do as a Texans fan is support my team, even if I disagree with the direction they're taking. I don't have season tickets, so I don't have that moral dilemma of pouring more money into this black hole.
Glad to see you back, swisher.

That's the problem I have. Do I continue to give this man my hard-earned $$$ for a piss poor product? I feel like an enabler. I love the NFL. I've been a NFL fan since I can remember. A big reason I moved back to Houston was that we received the expansion team over LA. I've missed fewer than 10 home games (including preseason) since the team arrived.

But, it's not just my decision. I go to games and tailgate with a group of friends. I've told them all season to be patient, that McNair would have no choice but to blow this thing up with another failed season. These guys are not quite the fanatic I am. They love the tailgates, and the ambiance of the pregame festivities. But, they hate the product. I think the consensus will be to dump the tickets. I can't argue against it, because in my heart I feel this move will be yet another disaster.

McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."
If Parcells could be hired as team president, to completely oversee football operations, then I could stomach another Kubiak year. I know Parcells has the nads to cut bait on Kubiak if/when he fails again. This organization needs a Parcells in the worst way.

Happy freakin' New Year....
 
So there is still at least a shimmer of hope that Kubiak will be fired? If this whole Wade thing comes true Cowboy fans will eat us alive. Now we have two marshmallow coaches patroling our sidelines and one of them is a Cowboys reject.

If the Cowboys get Cowher or Gruden, that would be perfect.
 
Hopefully Parcells will run the Football side of the organization.

That's the only wway I could stomach this.

Even though Kubiak will still ultimately fail. Atleast he will have to answer to somebody that knows what the he** their doing.
 
It was Barry Warner on 610 that revealed a very little known fact. McNair and Parcells are old HORSE buddies. They get together quite often. He did speculate that Parcells could be brought in as a consultant on "decisions and operations."

One could only wish.

I think Barry's "sources" are screwing with him nowadays. Mike Sherman, Troy Calhoun, and Hue Jackson?

No one's going to give him a straight answer after acting like a buffoon in the press conferences.
 
I can totally see that being the case. I do have a question in regards to Rick Smith though. How much involvement does he have with the players? I mean other than being a part of the draft/free agency bit and in on negotiating their contracts/extensions.... does he have any involvement? You see him on the sidelines at practice and all, but I would think that friction between a player and GM isn't that uncommon.

In speaking with him, he seemed to be trying to maintain a level of professionalism but trying to say that there are people within that organization that if you don't stroke their ego (voice your opinions) than you don't get treated the same. He kept reitirrating that he doesn't know what it's like now but that he doesn't feel that much has changed.

So when I take into account how a Pro Bowler like OD voiced his opinion during the offseason concerning his contract, then all of a suddent we draft two TE in the draft....you can speculate.
 
I'll say it again, only switching out the DC or personnel on the defensive coaching staff will not be enough. Smithiak needs to be broken up or removed altogether.

Right now, I don't believe it. I think it's just rumor. But if it were true......

Earlier we speculated Rick Smith's list was actually a test..... & he failed...

If both of those are true it does not look good for Rick Smith.


This organization was screwed up with whatever Casserly & Capers did the first 4 years.

I was hoping hiring Kubiak would set that straight & it started off looking that way. But when we hired Rick Smith, with a ringing endorsement from GK..... I knew something was amiss.

The question was asked last year, could Rick Smith fire Gary Kubiak? An even scarier question, was could Rick Smith hire a new coach?

I'm literally scared of that possibility. I'm equally concerned by McNair possibly hiring a third head coach in 10 years.

I don't want to do the new coach/new GM thing again this year. For me, either McNair has confidence in Rick Smith to retain his services & dump GK....... I'd be fine with that.

Or, McNair has more confidence in Kubiak, release Smith, & get a real GM..... which I like better, because I do have more faith in Kubiak than I do Smith. And in the long run, I think replacing the GM now would help us out the most.
 
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