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Kubes in or out? ( This is a will he be fired, not a do you want him fired thread.)

Will Kubes have a job next year in Houston?

  • Yes, because the Texans make the playoffs.

    Votes: 5 4.1%

  • Yes, Old Bob is a big softy and can't seem to grow a set.

    Votes: 35 28.9%

  • Yes, McNair is content with .500 football, hey it's not losing!

    Votes: 35 28.9%

  • No, Bob caves in to the pressure from Texantalk.com.

    Votes: 15 12.4%

  • No, McNair has had it and wants a Lombardi Trophy in his office.

    Votes: 31 25.6%
  • Total voters
    121
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Big Lou

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I will admit that I have been a Kubiak supporter since it was announced he would be the Head Coach, and although I wish he would get it together, this team just can't put it together with him. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but I've lost the faith. I'm not going to get any soap out because a coach should never be let go mid seasons no matter what, unless your name is Wade Phillips.

Looks like next year may be another rebuilding year. I can't take it anymore. I was an Oilers fan at birth, and although they were frustrating at least you could count on a game or two of post season play in spurts, this team looks like it will be a while.

1st try: Experienced Head Coach (Although inept!)
2nd try: Upstart with solid Head Coach written all over him
3rd try: ???????????

So Bob it looks like the ball is in your court. You just gave Kubes a new deal, but you're gonna have problems filling the seats next year at Reliant unless you make a change. A last ditch run at the playoffs with out success isn't gonna cut it. I'm glad that Bob gave Kubes the chance to build the team in this age of a new coach every two years, but oh well gotta get over .500 ball in the AFC to make the big dance.

I think he's gone unless they make the playoffs, but I think Rick stay on no matter what.
 
Unless they suffer a complete collapse there is a 0.000012918958214% chance that Kubiak goes anywhere.

It's probably even closer to zero than that to be honest.
 
See the signature for our next HC. If we win anything less than 10 games, Kubiak should be gone. But knowing McNair, if Kubiak manages to win eight, he'll stay.
 
After that first victory over the Colts, I was all ready to forgive Kubiak for the past 4 years of crap. It had been the firt time that this team looked like a Professional football team, and one ready to play at that. Since that time old bad habits have been the norm. I want Kubiak gone.
However, I am of the opinion that crash and burn or soar to the top, Slow to prepare McNair will bring Kubiak back for another sickening year of "it's on me." I don't see any urgency or need to be a winner from Uncle Bob.
We won't be rid of him no matter what. That just turns my stomach.
 
Has always mcnair will evalute at the end of the season

the tricky part is he gave kubes a new deal and with the hold out he might want a HC here to keep his team together yadda yadda yadda

im with him i wanna see how he does aganist the jags and Tenn and on the MNF game aganist the ravens and the TNF with philly

either way like it or not year in and year out the Kubes regime wins more the the capers one who went like 2wins to 4 wins to 6 wins to 2 wins

kubes was like 7 8 8 9

but who knows maybe the next regime will go like 11 wins to 10 wins to 15 wins
 
Goatcheese said:
Unless they suffer a complete collapse there is a 0.000012918958214% chance that Kubiak goes anywhere.

It's probably even closer to zero than that to be honest.
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I agree; however, there is a real possibility of a complete collapse.
 
If Kubiak stays, which is up in the air until the season end, I say that Frank Bush needs to go. A lot of our struggle has to do with our defense not being able to hold anyone below 25 points. It's hard for any offense to win a shootout week in and week out.
 
hradhak said:
If Kubiak stays, which is up in the air until the season end, I say that Frank Bush needs to go. A lot of our struggle has to do with our defense not being able to hold anyone below 25 points. It's hard for any offense to win a shootout week in and week out.
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If Kubiak goes. the GM, D Coordinator, O Coordiantor and most if not all the coaches are probably gone.

If Kubiak stays, he may keep his buddy Bush here.
 
I don't think that this question can really be answered until the season's over.

I'll take a stab at it anyway. Barring a complete collapse, Kubiak stays, but his staff goes.
 
I don't believe he will be fired at the end of this season barring a complete collapse from this point forward. I think that the very best possible outcome would be that Frank Bush is let go along with some defensive assistants and the Texans begin to prepare to rebuild on that side of the ball.

I should add that I think even this degree of change is a very remote possibility at best.
 
beerlover said:
one goes they all go, its a package deal :pigfly:
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You would think, but I'm trying to put myself in Bob McNair's head when I answer this question.

And I think McNair loooooves him some Gurry. He'll be looking for any reason to keep him on the staff when the season's over.

The only way that Kubiak stays is to completely throw his staff under the bus.

It's a stretch, but like I said, the question can't be answered until the season's over or maybe when the Texans are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
 
Mr. White said:
You would think, but I'm trying to put myself in Bob McNair's head when I answer this question.

And I think McNair loooooves him some Gurry. He'll be looking for any reason to keep him on the staff when the season's over.

The only way that Kubiak stays is to completely throw his staff under the bus.

It's a stretch, but like I said, the question can't be answered until the season's over or maybe when the Texans are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
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Kubiak made it clear in the off season it was important to lock everyone up two years, so that is your timetable not end of season, one more to go :)
 
Based on past inconsistency, this team is as likely to go 8-0 as it to go 0-8. Im still holding out hope for playoffs this season, which would mean Kubiak stays.

Steelers and Ravens are playoffs locks in my opinion at this point.

That leaves the AFC South and one WC up for grabs.
Indy or Tennessee
Pats or Jets

All have looked beatable, and we get to play some of them
 
awtysst said:
If Kubiak goes. the GM, D Coordinator, O Coordiantor and most if not all the coaches are probably gone.

If Kubiak stays, he may keep his buddy Bush here.
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I only partially agree with you here. I think the coordinators go and maybe even most of the position coaches but Rick Smith stays.

If a new coach is successful and turns Gary's chicken **** into chicken salad then Rick looks good because he acquired said chicken ****. I thinik back in 2006 Bob McNair judged Dom Capers and Charlie Casserly individually and found both of them wanting and complicit in the collapse of 2005. I think he'll look at Kubiak and Smith the same way (individually) but I think Smith has done enough to keep his job.
 
The odds are Gary stays and Bush goes. I figure McNair likes Kubiak, the offense is ok in McNair's eyes and it is the defense that needs help. Keep the HC and find a DC giving Kubiak at least one more shot at the elusive playoff season. Unless we don't win another game which is entirely within the realm of possibility. Then I think that Gary has to go - McNair won't have any excuse that I can imagine.
 
I can't take the Texans seriously, unless Kubiak is gone.

I've seen enough, and the schedule is what is exposing Kubiak.

Next year, we play the AFC North and the NFC South.

He may be able to hide inside the schedule again.
 
The most significant thing for me about this game was I could not get interested in it. I feel an "Astro" view of this team starting to develop in me. I found myself sitting in front of the television at kick off, almost called my son after the first TD but was then glad I did not. Very soon after Chargers tied up the game I was more into the ribs I was cooking on the grill and basking in the sunshine on my balcony. Foster kept me sort of interested first half but I kept glancing at the tv from the kitchen as I cooked corn and Macaroni and cheese.

I hope all you that have given me grief over my Kareem Jackson comments are happy with his play. Even on the INT he got, KJ was way off the WR and barely caught up. He was rewarded for being bad on the play. Sheesh.
 
Posted this in the "ALL ENCOMPASSING," but it's probably more apt here.

Starting to look like all of the soap might be in vain.

AJ posted an article on what he thinks Bob is thinking, basically assuming that we'll fire Bush and replace him with an experienced DC (think Mike Zimmer or Wade Phillips). LZ also said on his show this morning that someone within the organization posed the idea that the Texans retain Kubiak but replace both Rick Smith and Frank Bush.

So, it's starting to look like Kubiak stays unless we tank hard.
 
Agree with AJ. I think McNair is probably going to use the "defensive coordinator" excuse at the end of the season, and make changes there.

However, Rick Smith aint going anywhere.

Also, how many offensive and defensive coordinators, assistant coaches, position coaches, strength coaches, etc, have we had in the last five years? I honestly have lost count.

At SOME POINT, instead of firing everybody and their grandmother, you have to look at the ONE person who has remained the constant: Gary Wayne Kubiak.
 
hradhak said:
If Kubiak stays, which is up in the air until the season end, I say that Frank Bush needs to go. A lot of our struggle has to do with our defense not being able to hold anyone below 25 points. It's hard for any offense to win a shootout week in and week out.
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That's what I'm thinking. If Kubiak gets fired, it's going to be a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. It's not just Kubiak leaving. I can't see us getting rid of Kubiak, Smith, Dennison, Knapp, etc etc. It would be hard to find a HC that would be an improvement over Kubiak that wants to keep the same people and system.

The defense is our problem and where I think there could be some turnover. We're going to need to see progress from our players/coaches the rest of the season.
 
The defense is the major problem, but the offense needs an overhaul as well, just not as extensive. I've got no problem whatsoever with a 100% turn around in the entire coaching staff for next season.

Since there probably won't be a next season anyway, now's as good a time as any to get this done.
 
Problem with Kubiak, is that he's not the MAN of the team. The
leadership roles have be doled out from the head coach to certain
players with "C's" on their chest. Kubiak is not THE LEADER, and it
shows on the field with the undisciplined, unfocused play every
week.
 
DexmanC said:
Problem with Kubiak, is that he's not the MAN of the team. The
leadership roles have be doled out from the head coach to certain
players with "C's" on their chest. Kubiak is not THE LEADER, and it
shows on the field with the undisciplined, unfocused play every
week.
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Undisciplined??

It's a bad thing to have leaders on the field??

Let me ask you this. If we find some way to win 11 games, do you think Kubiak should go?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
It would be hard to find a HC that would be an improvement over Kubiak that wants to keep the same people and system.
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So what? Why would it be requisite for the incoming HC to keep the system or personnel? If the incoming HC thinks his system and/or personnel are better, why not let him implement it?

It can't be because of the whole rebuilding myth. That's been debunked.

So, why is it?
 
thunderkyss said:
Undisciplined??

It's a bad thing to have leaders on the field??

Let me ask you this. If we find some way to win 11 games, do you think Kubiak should go?
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Yes, undisciplined. Do you not watch the team?

Thunder, also, I have a question for you: You said you're a season ticket holder. How long have you been a season ticket holder? Do you think you're getting your money's worth? How do you feel leaving the games? I love Reliant, but, it can be emotionally draining leaving that stadium. Yesterday, we left the game and hit up another tailgate, but we were still pretty pissed about the game.

What, in general, are your experiences at Reliant? For example, my seats are in 324. I saw, with my own eyes, that the Chargers player had possession of the ball and my section was yelling that Kubiak should NOT have challenged that call because he would lose. Everyone inside Reliant saw it on the big screen. And yet, his people upstairs told him to challenge it.

Did you see the play on screen? What was the general feeling in your section? I'm asking these questions because as a season ticket holder you spend a lot of time and effort on this team, yet don't seem to be fazed by the mediocrity.
 
houstonspartan said:
Yes, undisciplined. Do you not watch the team?

Thunder, also, I have a question for you: You said you're a season ticket holder. How long have you been a season ticket holder? Do you think you're getting your money's worth? How do you feel leaving the games? I love Reliant, but, it can be emotionally draining leaving that stadium. Yesterday, we left the game and hit up another tailgate, but we were still pretty pissed about the game.

What, in general, are your experiences at Reliant? For example, my seats are in 324. I saw, with my own eyes, that the Chargers player had possession of the ball and my section was yelling that Kubiak should NOT have challenged that call because he would lose. Everyone inside Reliant saw it on the big screen. And yet, his people upstairs told him to challenge it.

Did you see the play on screen? What was the general feeling in your section? I'm asking these questions because as a season ticket holder you spend a lot of time and effort on this team, yet don't seem to be fazed by the mediocrity.
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I'm a season ticket holder since 2006, when I heard there would be a coaching change, I bought my tickets.

Wasn't at the game, sold them to my Brother-in-law, had things to do, little more important.

I don't understand the challenge, from TV, it looked as if it would have been a first down wither way. We would have saved 2 yards, then they say he was challenging whether it was a catch or not... yeah, I don't know WTF he was thinking.

To me, undisciplined would have been a lot of false starts, offsides, bad penalties, etc.... I didn't see a lot of that.

Two years ago, I think we won like all but 2 home games... I enjoyed my tickets then, felt I got my money's worth. Last year, those were exciting games, would have liked the wins.... This year, I've only been able to make the Colts, Cowboys, & Giants game. Not really seeing the ROI this year.

Don't know if I'm seeing the same mediocrity you guys are. Last year, I saw damn good football on both sides of the ball. Didn't turn into wins, the results were mediocre.... but saying "first winning season ever" that tells you where we really are/were, not where the fans want us to be.

If we have a second winning season, it will be our second winning season ever.....

Last year, this year, I think the saying you are what your record says you are is apt... this is a 9-7 team trying to make the jump to a 10-6 team.

We believe the Colts should have lost the game to us, because they are missing Addai(WTF has Addai done... really?), Clark, & Collie. We lost both starting guards, OD, our center was hobbling & we eventually lost Slaton..... but we're supposed to go undefeated.

Sometimes, some of the things people say here doesn't make sense. Most of the time, not objective, usually heavily weighted against the Texans.


& we're the fans.
 
thunderkyss said:
Undisciplined??

It's a bad thing to have leaders on the field??

Let me ask you this. If we find some way to win 11 games, do you think Kubiak should go?
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It would be nice to have leadership on the field. We don't.
We have a loudmouth, and players who pretend to be leaders.
There is no leadership from the coaching staff, nor the players.

Thus, we get what we have gotten.
 
But you said.....

DexmanC said:
Problem with Kubiak, is that he's not the MAN of the team. The
leadership roles have be doled out from the head coach to certain
players with "C's" on their chest. Kubiak is not THE LEADER, and it
shows on the field with the undisciplined, unfocused play every
week.
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nero THE zero said:
So what? Why would it be requisite for the incoming HC to keep the system or personnel? If the incoming HC thinks his system and/or personnel are better, why not let him implement it?

It can't be because of the whole rebuilding myth. That's been debunked.

So, why is it?
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Well, in my opinion, we've got one of the best Offenses in the entire league. Sure there are a few calls here or there we may disagree with, but you will find that with every HC on every single team. I don't want to bring in a new Head Coach that is going to want to change our offense up because "he thinks his way might be better". We don't need to be completely rebuilt.

The problem with our team is the defense. If we can fix our defense, we will be winning a ton more games. I'd argue that MOST of what we have problems with on offense are directly correlated to how our defense is playing. If our defense is consistently making stops, creating turnovers, etc, then a lot of the 'issues' we may have on offense will go away. We're giving up over 28 points per game. That means our offense is having to play differently, run different plays, score more points, take more chances just to win the game or even stay in it.

I think if we just fix our defense, we'll be the team we all want us to be. That's why I think getting rid of Kubiak after this season would be a mistake. I don't think we need a complete overhaul of our offense and defense. Could it be done and we win? Sure, but that's not the strategy that I would implement. I'm just as frustrated as anyone, I'm just not calling for Kubiak's head. The changes that need to occur should be on defense. I think getting rid of Kubiak would likely mean a complete overhaul... which isn't needed. And that's also why I think it's highly unlikely that he's gone.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'd argue that MOST of what we have problems with on offense are directly correlated to how our defense is playing. If our defense is consistently making stops, creating turnovers, etc, then a lot of the 'issues' we may have on offense will go away. We're giving up over 28 points per game. That means our offense is having to play differently, run different plays, score more points, take more chances just to win the game or even stay in it.
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Funny, I was thinking just the opposite. I recall the Giants game in particular, The Giants started the 3rd Qtr with the ball, we forced a 3 & out, our offense went 3 & out. We got an interception, the very next time the Giants had the ball, our offense punts. The next time again, the giants get the ball, we get another intercetion. We do score here, but it's only because the defense put the offense on the 17 yard line.

That game should have been 24-24 before the 3rd Qtr was over, but it wasn't.

Same thing with the Indy game, we forced the Colts & the Cheifs to punt 3 times... our offense barely got a first down. had we scored, we could have gone into half time 21-7 (??) against the Colts, and we could have been up 21-7 against the Chiefs.

In Yesterdays game, in the 4th Qtr, the Chiefs first possession ended in an interception, We took the ball, then punted.

We allowed a touchdown. Then our offense turns it over on downs.

We get a stop, force the punt... our offense turns it over with the AJ interception.
 
I think the Secondary just gave up way too many big plays to the Giants and the Chargers wideouts. We were down early against the Giants, Eli just picked us apart and it changed the way we had to play to even attempt to come back. Our Offense fought hard the 1st half against the Chargers despite the big plays our secondary gave up to them and kept us in the lead. Fumble led to a Houston Score... Interception led to Schaub's sack/fumble. In the end I felt like SD was able to move the ball on us and our Offense was forced to continue scoring to stay in the game.

Chiefs game was a good back and forth well fought game.

The Colts loss hurt. Our Defense gave the offense every chance to take control of the game early on. But for some reason we were hell bent on passing the ball and not using Foster. D did pretty good, I didn't like the Offensive playcalling.
 
thunderkyss said:
Funny, I was thinking just the opposite. I recall the Giants game in particular, The Giants started the 3rd Qtr with the ball, we forced a 3 & out, our offense went 3 & out. We got an interception, the very next time the Giants had the ball, our offense punts. The next time again, the giants get the ball, we get another intercetion. We do score here, but it's only because the defense put the offense on the 17 yard line.

That game should have been 24-24 before the 3rd Qtr was over, but it wasn't.

Same thing with the Indy game, we forced the Colts & the Cheifs to punt 3 times... our offense barely got a first down. had we scored, we could have gone into half time 21-7 (??) against the Colts, and we could have been up 21-7 against the Chiefs.

In Yesterdays game, in the 4th Qtr, the Chiefs first possession ended in an interception, We took the ball, then punted.

We allowed a touchdown. Then our offense turns it over on downs.

We get a stop, force the punt... our offense turns it over with the AJ interception.
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You see an 8-0, 7-1 finish for this year's team? I swear you have a
near-religious faith in Kubiak.
 
nero THE zero said:
Posted this in the "ALL ENCOMPASSING," but it's probably more apt here.

Starting to look like all of the soap might be in vain.

AJ posted an article on what he thinks Bob is thinking, basically assuming that we'll fire Bush and replace him with an experienced DC (think Mike Zimmer or Wade Phillips). LZ also said on his show this morning that someone within the organization posed the idea that the Texans retain Kubiak but replace both Rick Smith and Frank Bush.

So, it's starting to look like Kubiak stays unless we tank hard.
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I saw that this morning, and thought it was interesting. I think AJ is probably correct after thinking about it. I voted that Kubes is gone, but AJ may be right.

I saw the renewing of the contract as more of a tool to reassure everyone not so much a gaurantee. However with it bieng a four year deal, Frank is gone and Kubes will probably stay.

Also if I jump off the Kubiak bandwagon now they'll make the playoffs just to make me look bad, so I'm going with that whole reverse phsycology Mario thread type deal!!!!!
 
I wanted to start a new poll to get a fresh perspective but didn't want to piss anybody off with a whole new thread.

Most people think its a sure deal that Kubes is back next year, but I'm not so sure. As much as I hate to see our Offense blown up, I think Kube's and the Coachs are gone and Rick stays at least for now.

Again what do you think will happen, not what do you want?

As far as what I want, I want Cowher, then Dungy, then meh. If we can't get those two then I would wait one more year before blowing up the team. (Stop with the Boo's, I just remember watching Offenseless Football in Houston and it sucked, and much as I hate not having a Defense, I really hate scoring 0 points or less regularly.)

So I bet many will be pleasently suprised at the end of the season as far as a firing, but only time will tell who ol' Unkie Bob brings in. Hell who knows maybe he'll open his wallet and suprise the "McNair is cheap crowd". A little over two weeks to go!!!! HC Watch 2011 begins!!!!!!
 
Big Lou said:
As far as what I want, I want Cowher, then Dungy, then meh.
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I personally want no part of Dungy, he always had a terrible defense in Indy and I am just flat-out uncomfortable with that. He built a great defense in Tampa but it seems to me as though it might have been in large part due to Monte Kiffin.

He has also consistently said he's done for good and not interested in returning to coaching so I wouldn't bank on it.
 
awtysst said:
If Kubiak goes. the GM, D Coordinator, O Coordiantor and most if not all the coaches are probably gone.

If Kubiak stays, he may keep his buddy Bush here.
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I don't think that part is an issue. If Kubiak stays or is gone, Bush is almost certainly gone.
 
:spit: at the 10 sad cases who voted in the "No, Bob caves in to the pressure from Texantalk.com."

Ugh.
 
Marcus said:
:spit: at the 10 sad cases who voted in the "No, Bob caves in to the pressure from Texantalk.com."

Ugh.
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I voted it as a joke because what I think will happen isn't on the poll. I actually think Bob will cave in and fire Kubiak because of the pressure coming from everywhere now. Bob is looking pretty foolish right now for the comments he made following the owners meeting. And even if Bob somehow doesn't get it I'm sure there are pr people working for him that do. Maybe they can explain to him there is a train wreck coming if he retains this coaching staff another year.

TT just allows us a place to state our opinions and vent sometimes. I think we all understand that.
 
bckey said:
I voted it as a joke because what I think will happen isn't on the poll. I actually think Bob will cave in and fire Kubiak because of the pressure coming from everywhere now. Bob is looking pretty foolish right now for the comments he made following the owners meeting. And even if Bob somehow doesn't get it I'm sure there are pr people working for him that do. Maybe they can explain to him there is a train wreck coming if he retains this coaching staff another year.

TT just allows us a place to state our opinions and vent sometimes. I think we all understand that.
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This is where I HOPE things are headed. I seriously hope McNair isn't so stupid/stubborn/pick your poison that he would keep Kubiak DESPITE all the negative influx..
 
I think Bob's tendency to play it safe may be what gets Kubiak fired. It seems like the talent pool of available Coaches is just to big this year to not make a move. The Labor deal is just a side show. I think if Cowher is talking about coming back he thinks that there will be meanigful games next year.
 
i dont care if we lose out if we play our 2nd stringers if we win our last 2 games with our starters then whats the point in that if that happens i will srsly think about Canning KUBES hell the entire regime

overhall our roster and get a new regime in here

like it our not next year will be a rebuilding Year so yeah at this point i hope we do fire Kubes :kitten:
 
bckey said:
I voted it as a joke because what I think will happen isn't on the poll. I actually think Bob will cave in and fire Kubiak because of the pressure coming from everywhere now. Bob is looking pretty foolish right now for the comments he made following the owners meeting. And even if Bob somehow doesn't get it I'm sure there are pr people working for him that do. Maybe they can explain to him there is a train wreck coming if he retains this coaching staff another year.

TT just allows us a place to state our opinions and vent sometimes. I think we all understand that.
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I agree. I've changed my position and now think Kubiak is a goner. I don't have anything to go on, but I just cannot believe that a man as smart and successful as McNair keeps a coach that has failed to bring glory to his franchise after five years.

McNair has too much class to say anything but nice comments in the media. He's not a low-life jerk off like Bud Adams flipping off people or Jerrah holding press conferences because he picked a big booger from his nose on a big screen.

No, Bob is coy, he's reserved, and he's not going to be an asshat on a media stage. He's going to let it play out, fire Gary at the end of the season and thank him for all his hard work, and then honor the Rooney Rule before hiring a solid head coach with a proven track record.

Fans will rejoice, Texans Talk will have a group hug, the Fire Kubiak Club will disband, and the ranks of the Sunshine Club will swell with optimistic members. :lion:
 
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