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ThaShark316 said:
I know the nfl is about matchups...

they couldn't stop the Bears. I'm done.
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Cutler throws the ball much better than Schaub does, and Mike Martz
finally took his head out of his ass, and added a running game. The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
 
Honestly, win or lose, if the Texans make a game out of this I will be shocked. As a Giants fan I watch the Eagles quite a bit and they can tear you up. I just don't see how our sorry defense is going to stop them. This is the same team that hung up 35 first half points on the Skins.

Plus that stadium is a madhouse and they are pissed off about losing to the Bears.

I envision a lot of this :kubepalm: tomorrow night.
 
DexmanC said:
Cutler throws the ball much better than Schaub does, and Mike Martz
finally took his head out of his ass, and added a running game. The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
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Huh? Big time disagree. Cutler is much more prone to turnovers and bad decisions.
 
DexmanC said:
Cutler throws the ball much better than Schaub does, and Mike Martz
finally took his head out of his ass, and added a running game. The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
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Valid points. The run game isn't the only thing. They started giving Cutler extra protections in the backfield too. Martz is known for protecting with just 5. (The OL)

Folks, don't be too hard on the play calling when you see a run on 2nd and 8 through 12. Also, I want to see some more 3rd and 10 running, dammit!
 
DexmanC said:
The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
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Good thing we aren't playing the Bears defense.

I think it is "set-up" to be a blow out.... I can definitely see it happening.


But the Texans have never done what I think they will/should do.
 
Your argument is they couldn't stop the Bears? Hahahaha.

The Bears are 8-3 my friend. The Texans can only dream of a record like that.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Honestly, win or lose, if the Texans make a game out of this I will be shocked. As a Giants fan I watch the Eagles quite a bit and they can tear you up. I just don't see how our sorry defense is going to stop them. This is the same team that hung up 35 first half points on the Skins.

Plus that stadium is a madhouse and they are pissed off about losing to the Bears.

I envision a lot of this :kubepalm: tomorrow night.
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For me, our wins are trapped in a vacuum-type environment. Because at this point, our wins are always needed and not luxury items.

This team is afraid to be elite. To me, it doesn't want the pressure and the expectation. It's easier for our team to always be down-and-out and then come riding to the rescue of the fans who have given up on the team. Doing juuuust enough to keep you on the hook. "We'll do better NEXT year..." says the Texans organization and its personnel.

So I expect nothing. It will be what it will be. I don't think Kubiak fares well vs. Andy Reid and his squad of coaches. They toy with us. They seem to always call the right plays at the right time, and yet that's not really no accident folks. It's just good, sound strategy planning that I believe the NFL's elite coaches are capable of cranking out week-to-week.

Our guys isn't doin that. He has his scripted plays. He wants our offense to be a fine-tuned machine whose players can outplay its opponents out there on the field, regardless of who we are playing that day. Changes are made at a glacial pace, and when they are made we often abandon other things that could be used in certain situations.

The Rex Ryans and the Andy Reids of the NFL are the types of guys who want to outwit and outsmart their opponents. If their players execute out ont he field, the plan is going to work. Which is why we see that Andy Reid chewed out one of his receivers recently.

We don't match up well vs. mobile, athletically-gifted QBs who can beat defenses by scrambling. We stand a chance vs. those QBs who stand in a pocket. Once a mobile QB gets outside the pocket, if they can run a little, they torch us badly.

This DOES have blow-out written all over it. I just wonder (a) if the Texans understand that, which I don't think they do nor do they care enough from a coach's standpoint to gameplan any differently to avoid or mitigate the damages, and (b) will it even matter if we somehow pull of the win? Because this team pretty much has to win out. Period. With some goofy math, they stand a chance of being able to have one more regular season loss. And that's if things get real goofy and we win our division somehow. Gonna' have to beat the jags AND the titans in order to have a shot at that, though. AND..gonna' have to beat a few more teams on top of that.

I'm just in this for the little moments like AJ-Innegan and AJ's accomplishment on receptions. This fan's Fanometer is calibrated to withstand disappointment.
 
Hookem Horns said:
Honestly, win or lose, if the Texans make a game out of this I will be shocked. As a Giants fan I watch the Eagles quite a bit and they can tear you up. I just don't see how our sorry defense is going to stop them. This is the same team that hung up 35 first half points on the Skins.

Plus that stadium is a madhouse and they are pissed off about losing to the Bears.

I envision a lot of this :kubepalm: tomorrow night.
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They tend to struggle vs. decent offensive balanced teams which i think we are so we'll see how their defense holds up.

& the whole "angry after a loss" thing is overblown. They've got a divisional game with the cowboys on primetime right after us so, they may very well still look past us. Do i expect that? no, but no one expected the bears to pummel them this past week either. The outcome doesn't look promising, but i'm gonna ride with my boys to the end!.........although, i will be starting Desean Jackson on my fantasy team!
 
Hookem Horns said:
at stadium is a madhouse and they are pissed off about losing to the Bears.
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Had Philly won up in Chitown, this could have been a trap-game for them and given us the chance we needed, but now they'll probably be very motivated Thursday night after the tough loss up there.
 
GP said:
This team is afraid to be elite. To me, it doesn't want the pressure and the expectation. It's easier for our team to always be down-and-out and then come riding to the rescue of the fans who have given up on the team. Doing juuuust enough to keep you on the hook. "We'll do better NEXT year..." says the Texans organization and its personnel.
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Oh man, I was just telling someone something similiar just last week. I said something to the effect that I thought the Texans were afraid of success.

Some people can't handle the success, and the subsequent pressures. I know people like that. We all do. Talented, smart, but just can't handle the spotlight. They wither, and would prefer to coast.
 
DexmanC said:
Cutler throws the ball much better than Schaub does, and Mike Martz
finally took his head out of his ass, and added a running game. The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
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Is this a joke?????????
 
Guess they may as well turn the plane around and come home if there is no chance...........why bother...........hell for that matter concede the rest of the season..........
 
BobbleTexan said:
Guess they may as well turn the plane around and come home if there is no chance...........why bother...........hell for that matter concede the rest of the season..........
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Don't start that stuff.

These guys made their own beds wayyy before Thursday night's game.

The coaches too.

Now it's just a matter of WAITING to be mathematically eliminated, as usual. Even if these guys won every remaining game, except the last regular season game, and it was that one final loss that eliminated us from playoff contention, it would be a travesty to applaud them for getting so close to securing the playoffs.

So that's why the prevalent attitude is what it is: Gotta' tap, tap, tap on the fanometer and get it calibrated correctly, or face the consequences of blowing a coronary artery when we finally DO end up losing.

A win will be a win. But the significance of those wins is not "truly significant" until it's the playoff-clinching win. So, "yeah," they are going to go play the game Thursday night. Nobody wants the plane to turn around, etc.

If a Texans fan knows anything, he knows that the month of December is the killing season. It's the time you wait for your playoff chances to be killed off by some other team who gutted it out and found a way to want it more. And what makes us so mad, bobblehead, is that our team is good enough to avoid this sort of situation. They were good enough last year, with an easier schedule, and they were good enough this year too. But the leadership we have, IMO and in the opinion of many others who are a lot smarter about football than I am, is not getting the players into better positions to start games fast and close games out.

Other than that, I approve of your post. [straightens neck collar] Carry on.
 
texan279 said:
Is this a joke?????????
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Schaub throws the ball well in the fourth quarter. I'm speaking
in reference to the WHOLE GAME. If we didn't have Foster surprise,
I doubt Schaub could've done much to win us many games. Schaub
has an o.k. arm when he's protected, but he's not capable of being
THE playmaker like Roethlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Brady, Vick, etc.

Cutler is a far more capable quarterback than Schaub is, stronger
arm, mobility, playmaking ability. Cutler, in my mind, was the MVP of their
game against the Eagles. When has Schaub ever been THE reason
for beating a playoff team?
 
I"m not got going to get delusional about this, and won't make any predictions but I'll just quote Mr. Oriel A. Phillips.

"Any team can beat any other team on any given Sunday."
 
If anything happens other than the Texans getting their asses whooped, I'll be greatly surprised. I've come to expect the worst from this team, and I generally get it.
 
Just about anything is possible, but when viewed through a probability factor, this game is certainly set up for a blow out.
 
BobbleTexan said:
Guess they may as well turn the plane around and come home if there is no chance...........why bother...........hell for that matter concede the rest of the season..........
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Careful there partner, we don't take too kindly to folks supporting the team 'round here. Ya hear?
 
From some of these posts we might as well forfeit.

Schaub cand play it all boils down to Gary's script, and that means if he scripted it wrong he is looking for a job in January.
 
If the Texans have an offensive explosion - which isn't totally out of the question with Dre and Foster - they could win this game. However, even in a shootout I think the Eagles defense will get the critical stops, and the Texans defense won't.

If the Texans offense doesn't go off, I think they lose handily.
 
DexmanC said:
Schaub throws the ball well in the fourth quarter. I'm speaking
in reference to the WHOLE GAME. If we didn't have Foster surprise,
I doubt Schaub could've done much to win us many games. Schaub
has an o.k. arm when he's protected, but he's not capable of being
THE playmaker like Roethlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Brady, Vick, etc.

Cutler is a far more capable quarterback than Schaub is, stronger
arm, mobility, playmaking ability. Cutler, in my mind, was the MVP of their
game against the Eagles. When has Schaub ever been THE reason
for beating a playoff team?
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Well let's see. Schaub led our offense down the field against the Jets to take the go ahead score with a minute left but it was our defense that couldn't go one minute without letting the Jets score. And it was Schaub who threw the TD pass to Walter against the Jags to give us the lead then our defense gives up a 50 yard hail mary. And you do realize the Eagles defense is ranked 20th in the NFL right? Cutler has one good game against an average defense and now he is better than Schaub? lol
 
DexmanC said:
Schaub throws the ball well in the fourth quarter. I'm speaking
in reference to the WHOLE GAME. If we didn't have Foster surprise,
I doubt Schaub could've done much to win us many games. Schaub
has an o.k. arm when he's protected, but he's not capable of being
THE playmaker like Roethlisberger, Rivers, Manning, Brady, Vick, etc.

Cutler is a far more capable quarterback than Schaub is, stronger
arm, mobility, playmaking ability. Cutler, in my mind, was the MVP of their
game against the Eagles. When has Schaub ever been THE reason
for beating a playoff team?
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Cutler's been in the league long enough now for everyone to know what he is & that's a turnover machine...no amount of dumbing down the offense is gonna change that in him.

& Funny b/c schaub has essentially played without a run game since coming here & has done nothing but improve. His numbers are down this year mainly b/c foster has taken some of the load off. Sure he doesn't have the dynamic abilities of Vick or rothlisberger to run or a rocket-laser arm like jughead, but he's solid. Truthfully, the 3 i just named a few others are about the only qb's that aren't affected by a pass rush all that much.....but it bothers every qb. Did you happen to see what Beiber bowl Brady looked like against the giants in the SB a few years ago when he couldn't get comfortable? How about that ravens loss in the playoffs last year? Schaub nor cutler are guys that can carry a team by themselves like those others, but if anything they are about the same, just guys with different challenges.
 
Joe Texan said:
From some of these posts we might as well forfeit.

Schaub cand play it all boils down to Gary's script, and that means if he scripted it wrong he is looking for a job in January.
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Here's the problem, Joe: Those "scripted plays" are set in place ahead of time, as in "Before the game even starts," as in "Regardless of what the defense does those first 15 plays or so."

And we wonder why we don't get it going on offense until the 4th quarter? LOL. Because by then, the whole dynamic of the game has changed! And it becomes "Oh, crap! We better do something! Fast!"

I am not the brightest football person in the world. But I don't think playing a scripted set of offensive plays in the beginning moments is wise. OK, script the first 3 plays. Let's see what the defense is doing against us, and let's have a variety or multiple sets of plays to choose from AFTER seeing if that defense is playing QB Rush, RB Contain, Zone, Man, etc.

I don't see that though. I see an offense who comes out flat in the first quarter, wondering why their scripted plays are not working. Oh, but I forgot how Schaub can audible to a run (or to a pass) if he needs to. Except from what we've heard, he can only choose one particular run play or one particular pass play to audible to. Gee, there's another brilliant gameplanning strategy.

Going out on a limb here, and saying this: We don't play teams very well who know what we do and therefore gameplan for it and stick to their gameplan. Should we happen to catch an injury-prone team, or a team who is mailing it in, or is in some sort of disarray, then "Yeah," we stand a chance.

But overall, I'm beginning to lose my patience for the fans on here who know the truth but continue to play the "You're a bad fan if you think we can't win this game" card. This is not "So you don't think our coach can pee farther than their coach" situation, ok? This is for real. This is reality.

Our guys tend to NOT match up well for teams that are legitimately in the hunt for a title. And since the Eagles stumbled upon Michael Vick and are using him to his strengths and mitigating his weaknesses, which they did with McNabb for so many years, as well, (look how awesome McNabb is away from Andy reid by the way!) we're in a heap'a big trubble if the Eagles don't bumble and stumble all night.

Sorry. I just can't put on the "Hey, we're as good as they are" glasses. That's amateur hour. Period. Until this team makes a huge, HUGE splash on the NFL radar...the best plan is to keep both feet planted firmly in reality.

Two staright seasons of off-season and pre-season hype, and it results in two straight regular seasons of consistent face-palming.

Face it, folks: This team needs help from its opponents. It's still on training wheels.
 
gp said:
but overall, i'm beginning to lose my patience for the fans on here who know the truth but continue to play the "you're a bad fan if you think we can't win this game" card. This is not "so you don't think our coach can pee farther than their coach" situation, ok? This is for real. This is reality.
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^^ qft!
 
wagonhed said:
Laugh at me. I'm not the one comparing the Texans favorably to the Bears.
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If you were referring to Dexman, then neither was he. He was saying that the Bears have a far better D than us, so Philly shouldn't have much trouble running the score up.
 
scourge said:
If you were referring to Dexman, then neither was he. He was saying that the Bears have a far better D than us, so Philly shouldn't have much trouble running the score up.
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That fool was talking about me because I said the basically our O is better than theirs.

"they couldn't stop the bears, a near bottom of the league offense" = me being an *****, apparently.
 
The Texans seem to blow donkey balls on national TV. I planned on skipping this game altogether a few weeks ago as I do not have NFLN and was not going to go to a bar with the season all but over.

However, as the Texans still have a heartbeat in the division and I am still high on the 20-0 shutout against the tits and the 'Dre beatdown I am interested to see this game. I may check it out at a bar after I drop my daughter off around 8:30 or 9pm. I'll swing in an see if it is a game or not.

This game does have blow out written all over it. I'm obviously not a kool aid drinker, but, I'm holding a slight glimmer of hope for this one.
 
GP said:
Here's the problem, Joe: Those "scripted plays" are set in place ahead of time, as in "Before the game even starts," as in "Regardless of what the defense does those first 15 plays or so."

And we wonder why we don't get it going on offense until the 4th quarter? LOL. Because by then, the whole dynamic of the game has changed! And it becomes "Oh, crap! We better do something! Fast!"

I am not the brightest football person in the world. But I don't think playing a scripted set of offensive plays in the beginning moments is wise. OK, script the first 3 plays. Let's see what the defense is doing against us, and let's have a variety or multiple sets of plays to choose from AFTER seeing if that defense is playing QB Rush, RB Contain, Zone, Man, etc.

I don't see that though. I see an offense who comes out flat in the first quarter, wondering why their scripted plays are not working. Oh, but I forgot how Schaub can audible to a run (or to a pass) if he needs to. Except from what we've heard, he can only choose one particular run play or one particular pass play to audible to. Gee, there's another brilliant gameplanning strategy.

Going out on a limb here, and saying this: We don't play teams very well who know what we do and therefore gameplan for it and stick to their gameplan. Should we happen to catch an injury-prone team, or a team who is mailing it in, or is in some sort of disarray, then "Yeah," we stand a chance.

But overall, I'm beginning to lose my patience for the fans on here who know the truth but continue to play the "You're a bad fan if you think we can't win this game" card. This is not "So you don't think our coach can pee farther than their coach" situation, ok? This is for real. This is reality.

Our guys tend to NOT match up well for teams that are legitimately in the hunt for a title. And since the Eagles stumbled upon Michael Vick and are using him to his strengths and mitigating his weaknesses, which they did with McNabb for so many years, as well, (look how awesome McNabb is away from Andy reid by the way!) we're in a heap'a big trubble if the Eagles don't bumble and stumble all night.

Sorry. I just can't put on the "Hey, we're as good as they are" glasses. That's amateur hour. Period. Until this team makes a huge, HUGE splash on the NFL radar...the best plan is to keep both feet planted firmly in reality.

Two staright seasons of off-season and pre-season hype, and it results in two straight regular seasons of consistent face-palming.

Face it, folks: This team needs help from its opponents. It's still on training wheels.
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You're overly simplifying what scripiting plays do for you & with nfl playbooks these days, you can't successfully find out what a team is trying to do to you in 3 stinkin' plays. 15 is pushing it as i've heard Walsh used to script more than that. The most valuable part of scripting gives the offense a look at how a defense will play you in your basic sets (which are numerous in their own right) & of course adjustments come off that.

The problem is when you don't execute those plays well enough to get a few 1st downs & get them out of the way, you wind up having to wait on finding out what it is you need to adjust to & this more than anything is the texans' problem on offense; execution...not the scripted plays themselves. Most every team in the NFL scripts these days so if it ain't wise for us to be doing it, then most of the nfl must be idiots as well.
 
ThaShark316 said:
That fool was talking about me because I said the basically our O is better than theirs.

"they couldn't stop the bears, a near bottom of the league offense" = me being an *****, apparently.
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Relax.

this is what you said:

ThaShark316 said:
I know the nfl is about matchups...

they couldn't stop the Bears. I'm done.
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This looks to me like you're saying we should beat the Eagles because they lost to the Bears. The Bears aren't pushovers.
 
GP said:
Here's the problem, Joe: Those "scripted plays" are set in place ahead of time, as in "Before the game even starts," as in "Regardless of what the defense does those first 15 plays or so."
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That's simply not true. Kubiak has said numerous times that the scripted plays are dependent on down, distance and situation. If neither of those variables are friendly to the scripted play, the scripted play isn't run.

There are enough reasons to criticize Kubiak without having to make them up.
 
jaayteetx said:
I wish I was in Vegas, I'd drop a grand on the Texans. They may lose, but they won't get blown out.
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IMO, we have a better chance of getting blown out than winning.

This game might get ugly fast....and I mean uuugly

BUT, that's why they play the games, I reckon
 
GP said:
This team is afraid to be elite. To me, it doesn't want the pressure and the expectation. It's easier for our team to always be down-and-out and then come riding to the rescue of the fans who have given up on the team. Doing juuuust enough to keep you on the hook. "We'll do better NEXT year..." says the Texans organization and its personnel.
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houstonspartan said:
Oh man, I was just telling someone something similiar just last week. I said something to the effect that I thought the Texans were afraid of success.

Some people can't handle the success, and the subsequent pressures. I know people like that. We all do. Talented, smart, but just can't handle the spotlight. They wither, and would prefer to coast.
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See if you don't recognize our coaches (most in a new higher more stressful status compared to years past) and our players in this study. Similar subsequent studies have shown similar outcomes. Why Some People Can't Handle Success This is a culture that is learned. What is learned can be unlearned.............but with only great effort and great difficulty.
 
nero THE zero said:
That's simply not true. Kubiak has said numerous times that the scripted plays are dependent on down, distance and situation. If neither of those variables are friendly to the scripted play, the scripted play isn't run.

There are enough reasons to criticize Kubiak without having to make them up.
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This makes perfect sense as to why we essentially do nothing in the 1st half then. Throwing in that whole little caveat further elongates the time to work through the 15 then.
 
wagonhed said:
Relax.

this is what you said:



This looks to me like you're saying we should beat the Eagles because they lost to the Bears. The Bears aren't pushovers.
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And you read it wrong. I was merely talking about offense. If we're going to kick actual-factuals, let's get it.
 
DexmanC said:
Cutler throws the ball much better than Schaub does, and Mike Martz
finally took his head out of his ass, and added a running game. The Bears
defense is LEAGUES better than that of the Texans.

This game DOES have blowout written all over it.
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Um...no. Cutler is a high turnover machine. He has the Bret Favre gunslinger attitude and will throw the ball into multiple coverages. He may have a stronger arm than Schaub but he is certainly not a better passer.
 
Doppelganger1 said:
Um...no. Cutler is a high turnover machine. He has the Bret Favre gunslinger attitude and will throw the ball into multiple coverages. He may have a stronger arm than Schaub but he is certainly not a better passer.
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Don't you know that's all that matters? Schaub underthrows AJ all the time. No other QB ever underthrows their wideouts..


:sarcasm:
 
nero THE zero said:
That's simply not true. Kubiak has said numerous times that the scripted plays are dependent on down, distance and situation. If neither of those variables are friendly to the scripted play, the scripted play isn't run.

There are enough reasons to criticize Kubiak without having to make them up.
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You might as well be trying to herd cats, bro. People so deluded they wish to make complete fabrications merely to support their position belies more than their knowledge about football.
 
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