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here is my obligatory reply to the "we were 1 play away from winning 3 other games" that people keep using:

we were also 1 play away from losing 2 more (Skins, Chiefs)
 
I thought the team played good today. One bad break at the end. I thought it would be a blowout. Playing the jets that close on their home field is playing at a high level. Now you can argue we need a better coach to teach this team how to finish or win. but to say they didnt play good is stupid.

The players may play at a high level or give a good effort, but they are coached for **** and if you can't see that then I wish you all the best.
 
Anyone who wants to keep Kubiak at this point is a sadomasochist IMO. Throw him out like yesterday's garbage. Frank Bush should kill himself if he had any honor.
 
I don't know. I'm just pretty sure you guys don't either. Maybe he is doing something wrong. I'm not sure how the last 3 games are his fault. It does keep happening though. So maybe get rid of him.

I don't think it's obvious though and I like the in game coaching for the last few games. I like the choices that have been made. He's corrected a lot of his flaws. He is even better on his challanges this year. He is to slow to make changes but once he makes a change he seems to get it right.

When is he going to make an in-game choice, in the first half, that will lead to more than 7 points in that half.

Bottom line: he has had 5 years, and we have plateaud. That is 100% on the head coach, period. Other than better offensive stats, we have accomplished nothing in the past 5 years, as compared to the previous 4 years.
 
I'm not going to argue with those that want Kubiak fired (reality would be that the entire top coaching staff would be canned once a new HC comes in). There are plenty of reasons for us to be feeling like we need a widespread change, and many of them completely valid.

I just don't see Kubiak as being at fault during this game. The two biggest things that frustrated me today were (1) Schaub's poor time management at the end of the first half and (2) our terrible secondary; particularly extremely poor safety play... yet again.

Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

The biggest thing is our Secondary. The Loss today is FULLY on them. Not Kubiak. Our offense engineered a drive to get us into the lead and then another to extend the lead and force the Jets to score a TD instead of a FG. Our offense played a very aggressive, physical, and good Jets defense and won those matchups. Our defense failed this team yet again.

Troy Nolan and Eugene Wilson were both constantly out of position and taking terrible angles on the ball. If we had even remotely better play from them we would have won. This team would easily be 6-4 right now (because of wins the last two weeks) with minutely better secondary play. That would have us in a 1st place tie in our division.

So many want Kubiak canned and that's fine. I don't call you stupid or dumb... I think you have reason to be upset. I think this is definitely a playoff team and can reach the super bowl if only our defense gets better. I'd like a really good proven DC that can teach these guys up and fire them up. We're now giving up 30 ppg and last in the NFL. I want Kubiak to stay in place, call the offense, keep doing what he's doing... but for us to (1) bring in a new DC that calls the defense and is in charge of that on game day too and (2) bring in some playmakers on that side of the ball via free agency and the draft.

That's what I want. take it or leave it. Tell me I'm a damn fool, I don't really care what you think of me. This defense is killing us. All we need to do is fix the back end of it and we're a really really good team.


Fair, balanced & cohesive post OMT. I don't think you're a fool.


For what its worth, Harrison & Dungy just talked about our latest follie & harrison & Dungy said that the cb's should've been playing inside technique on the braylon edwards catch & of course wilson wasn't in position. i think its pretty clear Bush is in over his head & needs to go.
 
I'm not going to argue with those that want Kubiak fired (reality would be that the entire top coaching staff would be canned once a new HC comes in). There are plenty of reasons for us to be feeling like we need a widespread change, and many of them completely valid.

I just don't see Kubiak as being at fault during this game. The two biggest things that frustrated me today were (1) Schaub's poor time management at the end of the first half and (2) our terrible secondary; particularly extremely poor safety play... yet again.

Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

The biggest thing is our Secondary. The Loss today is FULLY on them. Not Kubiak. Our offense engineered a drive to get us into the lead and then another to extend the lead and force the Jets to score a TD instead of a FG. Our offense played a very aggressive, physical, and good Jets defense and won those matchups. Our defense failed this team yet again.

Troy Nolan and Eugene Wilson were both constantly out of position and taking terrible angles on the ball. If we had even remotely better play from them we would have won. This team would easily be 6-4 right now (because of wins the last two weeks) with minutely better secondary play. That would have us in a 1st place tie in our division.

So many want Kubiak canned and that's fine. I don't call you stupid or dumb... I think you have reason to be upset. I think this is definitely a playoff team and can reach the super bowl if only our defense gets better. I'd like a really good proven DC that can teach these guys up and fire them up. We're now giving up 30 ppg and last in the NFL. I want Kubiak to stay in place, call the offense, keep doing what he's doing... but for us to (1) bring in a new DC that calls the defense and is in charge of that on game day too and (2) bring in some playmakers on that side of the ball via free agency and the draft.

That's what I want. take it or leave it. Tell me I'm a damn fool, I don't really care what you think of me. This defense is killing us. All we need to do is fix the back end of it and we're a really really good team.

I am with you on this. I think Kubiak has been a fine coach and if fired will go on to success like some for Texans players. I hate to see this team, the fans, Kubiak and McNair let down by bone headed coaching by an incompetent defensive staff. Really, this team is one good DC away....
 
I think its a little funny that once expectations are high and the coaches start making mistakes people want them fired, but when they make the same mistakes when expectation are low the teams "growing" or "getting better". I mean really how many times have the texans under kubiak lost a game in the final seconds? (whether they blew a lead or came back to lose) How many times has Peyton come back from 17 to win? How many times have the Titans come back with a last second field goal or a VY splitting of the texans D like the red sea?? The Jags?? its ridiculous, and it all falls on the HC and the mentality he instills in his players. You really want to keep that? really? I say fire frank bush and david gibbs NOW, and make rhodes the D cord for the rest of the season. Fire kubiak at the end of the season, whether theres football next year or not, and hire someone whos not an offensive Cord at best.
 
I am with you on this. I think Kubiak has been a fine coach and if fired will go on to success like some for Texans players. I hate to see this team, the fans, Kubiak and McNair let down by bone headed coaching by an incompetent defensive staff. Really, this team is one good DC away....

And has been one good DC away for 5 years now. Kubiak needs more OC time and hopefully he can learn to leave his personal friendships at the door when he comes to work. His inability to hold his staff accountable is a major flaw. Really wanted him to work out here. Really did. He just isn't the right coach for this team. It's not personal with me. I don't hate the guy or wish him ill. It's just not working out and it is time to move on.
 
I am with you on this. I think Kubiak has been a fine coach and if fired will go on to success like some for Texans players. I hate to see this team, the fans, Kubiak and McNair let down by bone headed coaching by an incompetent defensive staff. Really, this team is one good DC away....


As Head Coach Gary Kubiak had the opportunity of fixing this defense several years ago. His solution was to promote Frank Bush. He also has allowed Alex Gibbs to remain the DB coach.

Enough is enough. That bone-headed coaching you refer to is a product of Texan's HC Gary Kubiak.
 
I think its a little funny that once expectations are high and the coaches start making mistakes people want them fired, but when they make the same mistakes when expectation are low the teams "growing" or "getting better". I mean really how many times have the texans under kubiak lost a game in the final seconds? (whether they blew a lead or came back to lose) How many times has Peyton come back from 17 to win? How many times have the Titans come back with a last second field goal or a VY splitting of the texans D like the red sea?? The Jags?? its ridiculous, and it all falls on the HC and the mentality he instills in his players. You really want to keep that? really? I say fire frank bush and david gibbs NOW, and make rhodes the D cord for the rest of the season. Fire kubiak at the end of the season, whether theres football next year or not, and hire someone whos not an offensive Cord at best.

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And has been one good DC away for 5 years now. Kubiak needs more OC time and hopefully he can learn to leave his personal friendships at the door when he comes to work. His inability to hold his staff accountable is a major flaw. Really wanted him to work out here. Really did. He just isn't the right coach for this team. It's not personal with me. I don't hate the guy or wish him ill. It's just not working out and it is time to move on.

Yep. I really wish he was the guy because he seems like a decent person and the type that you want to have success, as opposed to an asshat like the fatass on the other sideline today.

However, being a nice guy isn't enough, and it's time to move on.
 
As Head Coach Gary Kubiak had the opportunity of fixing this defense several years ago. His solution was to promote Frank Bush. He also has allowed Alex Gibbs to remain the DB coach.

Enough is enough. That bone-headed coaching you refer to is a product of Texan's HC Gary Kubiak.

Never said to give Kubiak a pass. He is the Head Coach not the Offensive Coordinator in chief. If he can't or wont't manage a staff, including dealign with hiring/firing decisions, a major part of the job, then he doesn't deserve to continue in the position. Period.

He won't be the first or the last, coach to go down for putting together a poor staff.
 
They were very lucky against the Redskins and Raiders they should be 2-8 right now. Say what you will but the record is what it is which all I care about.
 
I'm not going to argue with those that want Kubiak fired (reality would be that the entire top coaching staff would be canned once a new HC comes in). There are plenty of reasons for us to be feeling like we need a widespread change, and many of them completely valid.

I just don't see Kubiak as being at fault during this game. The two biggest things that frustrated me today were (1) Schaub's poor time management at the end of the first half and (2) our terrible secondary; particularly extremely poor safety play... yet again.

Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

The biggest thing is our Secondary. The Loss today is FULLY on them. Not Kubiak. Our offense engineered a drive to get us into the lead and then another to extend the lead and force the Jets to score a TD instead of a FG. Our offense played a very aggressive, physical, and good Jets defense and won those matchups. Our defense failed this team yet again.

Troy Nolan and Eugene Wilson were both constantly out of position and taking terrible angles on the ball. If we had even remotely better play from them we would have won. This team would easily be 6-4 right now (because of wins the last two weeks) with minutely better secondary play. That would have us in a 1st place tie in our division.

So many want Kubiak canned and that's fine. I don't call you stupid or dumb... I think you have reason to be upset. I think this is definitely a playoff team and can reach the super bowl if only our defense gets better. I'd like a really good proven DC that can teach these guys up and fire them up. We're now giving up 30 ppg and last in the NFL. I want Kubiak to stay in place, call the offense, keep doing what he's doing... but for us to (1) bring in a new DC that calls the defense and is in charge of that on game day too and (2) bring in some playmakers on that side of the ball via free agency and the draft.

That's what I want. take it or leave it. Tell me I'm a damn fool, I don't really care what you think of me. This defense is killing us. All we need to do is fix the back end of it and we're a really really good team.

exactly! you say it better than I do. with even an ave defense we are a playoff team this year. I think it would be safer to just get someone in to fix the defense then get rid of the whole staff. I don't think Kubiak should have a say in who that is because he has already missed twice.
 
Here's my take on it. Kubiak has made mistakes in the past by hiring friends over the best available person. If he's willing to admit that it's a mistake and stop hiring his friends and instead get a solid DC pick, I would agree give Kubiak another shot.
 
Here's my take on it. Kubiak has made mistakes in the past by hiring friends over the best available person. If he's willing to admit that it's a mistake and stop hiring his friends and instead get a solid DC pick, I would agree give Kubiak another shot.

This.

Hence my thread on who is out there for the DC spot.
 
Fair, balanced & cohesive post OMT. I don't think you're a fool.


For what its worth, Harrison & Dungy just talked about our latest follie & harrison & Dungy said that the cb's should've been playing inside technique on the braylon edwards catch & of course wilson wasn't in position. i think its pretty clear Bush is in over his head & needs to go.

They also said that someone from the Texans defensive coaching staff needed to be fired...I guess we'll see if that happens.
 
I honestly think it was started to raise my blood pressure and decide that the universe is coming to an end.. I could be overly paranoid though.

I probably should of worded it different. Just to help with your blood pressure. How about "I would'nt be opposed to keeping Kubiak if we get a new dc". that would probably raise most of your blood pressure's as well. Maybe not as much. I think it's at least worth an argument.
 
Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

While I agree with you about it being on Schaub, it's also on Kubiak. He is the QB coach. He tutors Schaub on how to act in these situations. He has watched Schaub manage the clock poorly in these situations time and time again. Why can't he teach the guy to get better at it? Seems to me that Schaub is doing what Kubiak is teaching him or Schaub is uncoachable. Which do you believe it is?
 
I probably should of worded it different. Just to help with your blood pressure. How about "I would'nt be opposed to keeping Kubiak if we get a new dc". that would probably raise most of your blood pressure's as well. Maybe not as much. I think it's at least worth an argument.

Well.. to be honest.. after the Rick Smith fiasco.. and now Frank Bush.. my faith in Kubiak has diminished to a negative balance.
 
WTF happend

Wasent our D last year like top 10 in D

and now we are the worst in History !!!!!!!!!!!!!

what happend ??????????? Did losing DUnta and Reeves really effect us this much

Maybe Richard Smith wasent tha Problem
 
WTF happend

Wasent our D last year like top 10 in D

and now we are the worst in History !!!!!!!!!!!!!

what happend ??????????? Did losing DUnta and Reeves really effect us this much

Maybe Richard Smith wasent tha Problem

coaches coach & players play....
 
WTF happend

Wasent our D last year like top 10 in D

and now we are the worst in History !!!!!!!!!!!!!

what happend ??????????? Did losing DUnta and Reeves really effect us this much

Maybe Richard Smith wasent tha Problem

I think not keeping reeves was the biggest mistake. he was our best corner last year. he might have been hurt, i heard something about that?

whoever is f'ing with our corner backs might be the biggest problem. but like a lot of you are saying if kubes want's to be more than oc he should of figured that out and fixed it. Still think it would be easier to fix it for him and let him stay though.
 
Sorry if already stated but....since Kubiak was hired EVERY other team in the NFL has made the playoffs or fired their coach. Proof is in the pudding and Kubiak has failed.
 
I think he is maturing as a coach.
It's Kubiak's 5th season. 5th. He is what he is and always has been.

I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball...
There is no such thing as a "good" head coach that is ignorant of one phase of the game. That Kubiak knows little about defensive football in an indictment of his incompetence as head coach.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year.
Keep?
Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.
Where to start? First, what does McNair or Rick Smith know about hiring a defensive coordinator? They have zero qualifications to make that decision. Kubiak has failed twice at the task. But, at least he has experience.

Next, I can't understand the logic behind keeping Kubiak, but emasculating him as the head coach. "No Gary, your opinion doesn't count when the opposition has the ball. Just go back to looking at your Denny's menu." This is the problem the Texans have, now. Not the solution to the problem. I'm dumbfounded by this logic (and to be fair, there are plenty of others who share this with you).

I won't insult you, even if I do not agree with your opinion. No one should. I hope that is clear to everyone.
 
If Kubiak goes do you keep Smith? Most high profile coaches whoses names get dropped on the board are going to want control and if you go for another coordinator which isn't out of the question. Can Smith identify the talent to make this team a success. While we have had some good picks we have had some big misses in the draft and almost no FA help.
 
If Kubiak goes do you keep Smith? Most high profile coaches whoses names get dropped on the board are going to want control and if you go for another coordinator which isn't out of the question. Can Smith identify the talent to make this team a success. While we have had some good picks we have had some big misses in the draft and almost no FA help.

Our GM deff needs to go our Draft picks have been pretty bad IMO lately

get a new GM that fits the New DC IMO
 
It's Kubiak's 5th season. 5th. He is what he is and always has been.


There is no such thing as a "good" head coach that is ignorant of one phase of the game. That Kubiak knows little about defensive football in an indictment of his incompetence as head coach.


Keep?

Where to start? First, what does McNair or Rick Smith know about hiring a defensive coordinator? They have zero qualifications to make that decision. Kubiak has failed twice at the task. But, at least he has experience.

Next, I can't understand the logic behind keeping Kubiak, but emasculating him as the head coach. "No Gary, your opinion doesn't count when the opposition has the ball. Just go back to looking at your Denny's menu." This is the problem the Texans have, now. Not the solution to the problem. I'm dumbfounded by this logic (and to be fair, there are plenty of others who share this with you).

I won't insult you, even if I do not agree with your opinion. No one should. I hope that is clear to everyone.

first of all. how do you freakin do that with the quote's?

first point: i don't agree. i think you can get better after being a coach for 4+ years and I think he is getting better.

second point: your right about that. I'm actually changing my mind(a little) because of hearing that part of the arguement. Still... it might not be conventional but I think giving a good dc control of that side of the ball and letting Kubes run the offense and be head coach on game day would have a better chance of working than starting over.

third point: High level might of been a little strong but I have already explaned how playing tough on the road against tough opponents is playing good football. I'm not one of those guys who thinks one coach is an ***** and the other is a genious because of one or two plays at the end of a game.

4th point: You don't trust anyone to hire a dc so who do you think is going to be hiring our next head coach? Mcnair has already proven beyond a doubt that he got it wrong once and most people on this board would say twice. So your going to put your trust in that now?

thanks for not insulting me.lol
 
Our GM deff needs to go our Draft picks have been pretty bad IMO lately

get a new GM that fits the New DC IMO

this team is in to many close games against good opponents to have bad coaching and no talent. It's one or the other. I hope someone figures out which and gets it right.
 
first of all. how do you freakin do that with the quote's?
Just copy the quote as many times as you want to respond and delete what's not material to your reply.
4th point: You don't trust anyone to hire a dc so who do you think is going to be hiring our next head coach? Mcnair has already proven beyond a doubt that he got it wrong once and most people on this board would say twice. So your going to put your trust in that now?
That's a good point. My answer is that McNair must make an obvious hire. Someone whose qualifications has a NFL head coach are beyond reproach. A proven winner. Preferably, a Super Bowl winner. A "no brainer", if you will.

thanks for not insulting me.lol
It's gotten that bad, has it? Nah, I spent some time on the houstontexans.com board this afternoon, and that was a zoo. I'll just stay here, thank you very much.
 
Kubiak is probably an above average Offensive Coordinator. IMO Dom Capers is an above average Defensive Coordinator. IMO Neither one of them made it as decent Head Coach. It's really just that simple.

And don't forget that this entire team is 'the house that Kubiak built'. Including our GM who was hired AFTER Kubiak got here and has Denver ties. This entire staff is Kubiak oriented and hand picked. Including Schaub.

Kubiak picked this entire coaching department and has repeatedly said 'it's on me'', so let him shoulder the repercussions of his poor decisions. The 53 man football team is hand picked by him. The 45 that dress out. The FA's hired since the season started. The draft choices. EVERYTHING is Kubiak's hand built machine.

It is unfortunately failing miserably. Time to scrap this Carr, AGAIN, and move ON/FORWARD.

Keep Kubiak?? Yeah, as a waterboy. Anything higher would be an insult to the fans of this team. Who, co-incidently, HAVE been around longer than Kubiak.
 
this team is in to many close games against good opponents to have bad coaching and no talent. It's one or the other. I hope someone figures out which and gets it right.

They have a good offense that keepsthem in games, but that's coupled with bad time management and bad player development/coaching on the defensive side of the ball. The talent level on the defense is hard to discern. The regression this year of the defense probably is both a lack of good coaching and finding the right mix of players. There have been numerous high defensive draft picks. Where are they now, save Williams and Cushing?
 
Raheem Morris is doing a better job in 2 years, than what Kubiak has
done in five. In TODAY'S NFL, it doesn't take long to improve from
gutting the front office.
 
This is beyond amazing at this point that Kubiak still has his little followers that somehow believe in this clown.

All validity anyone had as far as football goes is right out the window for me if they're still trying to make arguments for Kubiak at this point. It just isn't a person with respectable analysis that's capable of any observations at this point if that's their theory.

This thread is unbelievable.
 
I actually agree with you on this. I think firing him is a defensible position, but this d coordinator is killing us. I also don't think you allow Kubiak to pick out the d coordinator. Get someone who is proven and clean house with the position coaches on defense. These guys need to start over from the ground up.

I thought Kubiak was a heck of a coach last year, when all the injuries hit us, & we still managed to go 9-7. He didn't make a big deal about the injuries, fans didn't give him any credit... he had to depend on players acquired for special roles playing major roles.

He brought Frank Bush in last year & his simplified scheme helped us turnaround what was perennially one of the worse defenses in the league.

This year, we never got started right. Cushing, Barwin, Wilson... all in the first 4 games. Then we got a rookie we're trying to acclimate to the NFL. Then we lose Ryans, now Diles....

This years schedule is tougher than last years. 9-7 would be better than 9-7 last year.

Which is why he should have found a way to go 10-6 last year. It sucks being Kubiak. 5 years is a long time, too long. IF we don't make the play-offs, I don't think he should be here.
 
at the end of the season Mcnair will go over his company from top to bottom and see what needs to be done

Nothing has changed Kubes better start winning like next week if he want to keep his job

Agree.

He needs to know 10-6 might not get him in. But he & his team better find some way to be 10-6 at the end of the year.

Tennessee, Philly, Baltimore, Denver, Tennessee, Jags... & we better not lose the tie breaker to the Jets again.
 
Quality offenses don't have to play catchup every single week, after scoring minimal points in the first half.

Quality offenses control the ball for the WHOLE game. This is one of those cases where lofty stats are misleading and provide no insight as to the true effectiveness of this offense.

This has been the problem all season.
 
Stats are misleading, just imagine if we had even a high school quality defense to get the ball back for the offense some other way than letting the other team score.

This game was virtually identical to the Giants game. Offense did nothing in the first half. Defense was out of their mind, 3rd Qtr against the Giants, 4th Qtr against the Jets. 2 turnovers, several punts, several opportunities for our offense to take control.......


never happened.
 
That's a good point. My answer is that McNair must make an obvious hire. Someone whose qualifications has a NFL head coach are beyond reproach. A proven winner. Preferably, a Super Bowl winner. A "no brainer", if you will.

I think McNair screwed up by hiring Kubiak's buddy, Rick Smith.

He needs to hire a VP of football operations. A Parcells, Holmgren, Reeves kind of guy.... Maybe a Jimmy Johnson, if JJ doesn't want to coach, maybe that would be the perfect gig for him.
 
Kubiak is a good guy and maybe, after time away from HC duties, he will digest this experience and emerge a better coach. But, as a guy invested time following underdog squads during the interregnum of no Houston NFL football, stuck in a broadcast zone featuring the 49ers and the Raiders, when I see stuff like the following coming from players, I know the coach is losing the team.

"I feel bad for the coaches," Mario Williams said.

Talk about a kiss of death.

The bad news is Texans players are still standing up for the coaches.

"Somebody is going to have to take flak for this," Antonio Smith said. "At the beginning of the season it's going to be the players - I've seen it happen before. Toward the end of the season, people are going to start saying it's the coaches. It's not. It's the unit.

"We got to figure it out. Right now I don't know what it is that we have to do, it seems like we have the toughest luck. But I know that if we lose faith, nothing is going to happen.

"I feel for each and every person involved with this organization from top to bottom. It just feels like we we're there. People are going to take criticism, and I don't know what it is that we have to find, but it's a small thing (keeping) us from being a playoff dominant team to us failing at the end of games like we're doing now."
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There seemed to be a little more "talk" between defensive teammates, especially after blown assignments.

All said the politically correct thing afterward, but the tension is mounting. Smith was asked if he thought the team was starting to point fingers.

"It's hard to tell," Smith said. "Sometimes it feels like it. It feels like we need to play more together as a unit. If we keep having arguments among each other, that means that the devil is still in the midst. We have to have faith in whatever it is that we're doing. That never fails. Just keep faith and the Lord is going to see us through this. If you don't, if you doubt, you're going to keep coming up with the same ending. The same ending and not learning from it."

They need prayer, people.

"They day that we figure out that it is a team game, and stop pointing fingers, in any directions - as far as coaches, DBs, D-line, linebackers - is the day that we'll grow up and start winning," Smith said. "You'll never take this game to the Super Bowl thinking this is an 'I' sport. You'll never do it. I've been a part of it, and the moment we figured that out is the moment when we started winning."

http://blogs.chron.com/jeromesolomon/2010/11/texans_still_believe_in_kubiak.html

The Solomon link has more, but I'll be surprised if Kubiak holds on to this job after this season.
 
It's Kubiak's 5th season. 5th. He is what he is and always has been.

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