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I think he is maturing as a coach. I like the fact he ran the ball 3 times with foster and did'nt try some bs play to let the clock stop. Make the other team go 80 yards in 50 sec with no time outs. I can't see how any person with any real football knowledge disagrees with that. I think his team was prepared to play even after the horrible loss last week. The team does'nt quit. I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball and he listened to the wrong people. With any type of defense we are 8 and 2 this year.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year. Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.

I can't argue if he is fired, i'm just saying what I would do.
 
I actually agree with you on this. I think firing him is a defensible position, but this d coordinator is killing us. I also don't think you allow Kubiak to pick out the d coordinator. Get someone who is proven and clean house with the position coaches on defense. These guys need to start over from the ground up.
 
Honestly, depending on how the rest of the season goes I may decide that I'd want to keep Kubiak around.

But there neeeds to be major changes on the defense...

As much as I have bashed on Kubiak though, I want to atleast see how he does the rest of this season before I officially call for his head.
 
hradhak said:
I actually agree with you on this. I think firing him is a defensible position, but this d coordinator is killing us. I also don't think you allow Kubiak to pick out the d coordinator. Get someone who is proven and clean house with the position coaches on defense. These guys need to start over from the ground up.
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If a head coach can't be trusted to hire a DC, he can't be trusted as a HC.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
If a head coach can't be trusted to hire a DC, he can't be trusted as a HC.
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this. His two DC hires, and his last OC hire, indicate to me that loyalty and friendship is more important than winning. He simply can't be trusted to put the teams interest first.
 
yeah, at least he can walk around and give the tour of the facility to Cowher before he's out the door.
 
From what I have seen and heard of him, Kubiak is a great person, a great human being and class act. However, as a head coach in the NFL, he is just NOT getting it done. No playoffs and he needs to go.
 
utahmark said:
I think he is maturing as a coach. I like the fact he ran the ball 3 times with foster and did'nt try some bs play to let the clock stop. Make the other team go 80 yards in 50 sec with no time outs. I can't see how any person with any real football knowledge disagrees with that. I think his team was prepared to play even after the horrible loss last week. The team does'nt quit. I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball and he listened to the wrong people. With any type of defense we are 8 and 2 this year.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year. Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.

I can't argue if he is fired, i'm just saying what I would do.
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I love that those two segments were written by the same person in the same post.

Kubiak sucks, has forever, get rid of him. He peaked at 9-7.

You've got to be kidding me. Kidding, right? No?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_VVVTmiWFo&feature=related
 
Kubiak is a good coach. He has improved this team dramatically.

My biggest question is his choice of coaches on the defensive side of the ball. Both from a scheme perspective and a ability to develop talent perspective.

I would also look at the scouting program to see why we can't seem to bring in any effective DBs.

The fact he still has the team on his side speaks volumes about his leadership ability.

I also have backed off my criticism of his playcalling and scheme as many of our faults of last year have actually improved.

I can live with keeping him if we have a new DC again.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Kubiak is a good coach. He has improved this team dramatically.

My biggest question is his choice of coaches on the defensive side of the ball. Both from a scheme perspective and a ability to develop talent perspective.

I would also look at the scouting program to see why we can't seem to bring in any effective DBs.

The fact he still has the team on his side speaks volumes about his leadership ability.

I also have backed off my criticism of his playcalling and scheme as many of our faults of last year have actually improved.

I can live with keeping him if we have a new DC again.
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So you love it that he completely disregarded the possibity of getting a FG before the half? Cut it out. He pulls this **** game-in and game-out, year-in and year-out.

Kubiak is just the Head Loser in this case.
 
I didn't even watch this game (yet), but I'll tell you what I see and why Kubiak should be fired:

This high-profile offense only scored 7 points in the first half again and, while that's a slight improvement, it's still unexceptable from an offensive guru/HC. I bet they got their butts kicked in TOP in the first half again too....didn't they? I bet the D was exhausted and falling apart by half-time again....weren't they? I'll bet we would have won this game AGAIN if there'd just been another 5:00 on the clock....wouldn't we?

Kubiak can't even motivate the part of the team he built really well before a game. The D is bad, but he can't even motivate his offense not to make the D worse.
 
No, no, no. He is personally held responsible for hiring these clowns to run the defense, and by keeping him, you are not holding ANYONE on the franchise accountable for anything. Kubiak went the easy route and hired one of his buddies instead of hiring a proven NFL DC, can his a$$
 
HJam72 said:
I didn't even watch this game (yet), but I'll tell you what I see and why Kubiak should be fired:

This high-profile offense only scored 7 points in the first half again and, while that's a slight improvement, it's still unexceptable from an offensive guru/HC. I bet they got their butts kicked in TOP in the first half again too....didn't they? I bet the D was exhausted and falling apart by half-time again....weren't they? I'll bet we would have won this game AGAIN if there'd just been another 5:00 on the clock....wouldn't we?

Kubiak can't even motivate the part of the team he built really well before a game. The D is bad, but he can't even motivate his offense not to make the D worse.
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They outgained the Jets and had the ball for about a minute more in the first half, but that's not even the point.
 
utahmark said:
I think he is maturing as a coach. I like the fact he ran the ball 3 times with foster and did'nt try some bs play to let the clock stop. Make the other team go 80 yards in 50 sec with no time outs. I can't see how any person with any real football knowledge disagrees with that. I think his team was prepared to play even after the horrible loss last week. The team does'nt quit. I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball and he listened to the wrong people. With any type of defense we are 8 and 2 this year.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year. Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.

I can't argue if he is fired, i'm just saying what I would do.
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^ aggie.
 
utahmark said:
I think he is maturing as a coach. I like the fact he ran the ball 3 times with foster and did'nt try some bs play to let the clock stop. Make the other team go 80 yards in 50 sec with no time outs. I can't see how any person with any real football knowledge disagrees with that. I think his team was prepared to play even after the horrible loss last week. The team does'nt quit. I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball and he listened to the wrong people. With any type of defense we are 8 and 2 this year.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year. Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.

I can't argue if he is fired, i'm just saying what I would do.
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L.O.L. 5 years is more than enough time for him to have gotten it right & unfortunately, he hasn't. I won't flip out & boycott the team either way..but i will if someone doesn't get better defensive personnel in here...
 
Kubiak is the head coach. The Texans are losers.

That's it. That's all I need to know. Kubiak must go.
 
Pantherstang84 said:
If a head coach can't be trusted to hire a DC, he can't be trusted as a HC.
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lol!!! you guys crack me up!!! that was actually the best post against what i said. I do believe if he is let go we just groomed him for some other team and we will watch him become a really good head coach for someone else. Every problem I've had with him he seems to be correcting except of course the dc. He seems to learn from his mistakes.

He is'nt of course the greatest coach in the world and we do have about a 50/50 chance of getting someone better. So we could roll the dice to make everyone happy. some of these names I keep hearing might not be as good as you guys think or as good as they once were. but Kubiak has done enough to get fired and I cant argue if he is.
 
I don't have a problem keeping Kubiak depending on how the team plays out the rest of the season.

The D-coordinator has to go though.
 
Again, I don't think you can fault McNair for firing Kubiak. It's probably the right move. I would start looking now to see who is available and who you can get. I would think that hiring anyone who doesn't have head coaching experience would mean we're going to have growing pains all over again.

If there's a lockout what happens to the draft ? Can we still draft players and just not sign them, or is it postponed till next season?
 
This team is 6th in PPG scored. Dead last in PPG against.

Half of this team is a quality football team, I think the haterade is clouding some people vision.

We need to fix the defence. If that means HC, DC, new players or all of the above get that done, then we can talk about being a contender in our division.
 
hradhak said:
Again, I don't think you can fault McNair for firing Kubiak. It's probably the right move. I would start looking now to see who is available and who you can get. I would think that hiring anyone who doesn't have head coaching experience would mean we're going to have growing pains all over again.

If there's a lockout what happens to the draft ? Can we still draft players and just not sign them, or is it postponed till next season?
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Even with a proven HC, you are still starting from scratch because of new systems, new terminology, bringing players that 'fit' the system etc.

Hello rebuilding for the 3rd time.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Even with a proven HC, you are still starting from scratch because of new systems, new terminology, bringing players that 'fit' the system etc.

Hello rebuilding for the 3rd time.
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I mispoke. I meant to say that you're going to have the head coach making mistakes with a rookie head coach that an experienced coach wouldn't make. There's definitely going to be some growing pains with a new coach for the players.

I would much rather see us bring in an experienced head coach with some wins under his belt. I just don't see any of the former coaches who are in the booth now coming back to coaching.
 
at the end of the season Mcnair will go over his company from top to bottom and see what needs to be done

Nothing has changed Kubes better start winning like next week if he want to keep his job
 
utahmark said:
we do have about a 50/50 chance of getting someone better. So we could roll the dice to make everyone happy.
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Maybe, but we'd also have a 100% chance of not getting someone who has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he cannot win in this city.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Even with a proven HC, you are still starting from scratch because of new systems, new terminology, bringing players that 'fit' the system etc.

Hello rebuilding for the 3rd time.
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Do we have to go thru this again???

Look at the recent history and educate yourself as to the numerous crappy teams who have made HUGE steps forward in the NEXT year with a new head coach.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
This team is 6th in PPG scored. Dead last in PPG against.

Half of this team is a quality football team, I think the haterade is clouding some people vision.
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Quality offenses don't have to play catchup every single week, after scoring minimal points in the first half.

Quality offenses control the ball for the WHOLE game. This is one of those cases where lofty stats are misleading and provide no insight as to the true effectiveness of this offense.
 
utahmark said:
I think he is maturing as a coach. I like the fact he ran the ball 3 times with foster and did'nt try some bs play to let the clock stop. Make the other team go 80 yards in 50 sec with no time outs. I can't see how any person with any real football knowledge disagrees with that. I think his team was prepared to play even after the horrible loss last week. The team does'nt quit. I think he is turning into a good head coach that did'nt know much about the defensive side of the ball and he listened to the wrong people. With any type of defense we are 8 and 2 this year.

there are two conditions. first the team must keep playing at a high level for the rest of this year. Next we have to replace Bus. Kubiak should hand the defense over to the new guy and stay out of the way, draft picks included and he also should not have a vote in who the new guy is. That should be left to Mcnair and Smith.

I can't argue if he is fired, i'm just saying what I would do.
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Your J/K right

LOL
 
cdollaz said:
Quality offenses don't have to play catchup every single week, after scoring minimal points in the first half.

Quality offenses control the ball for the WHOLE game. This is one of those cases where lofty stats are misleading and provide no insight as to the true effectiveness of this offense.
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wow, pretty much sums up the whole season
 
cdollaz said:
Quality offenses don't have to play catchup every single week, after scoring minimal points in the first half.

Quality offenses control the ball for the WHOLE game. This is one of those cases where lofty stats are misleading and provide no insight as to the true effectiveness of this offense.
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Stats are misleading, just imagine if we had even a high school quality defense to get the ball back for the offense some other way than letting the other team score.
 
hradhak said:
I mispoke. I meant to say that you're going to have the head coach making mistakes with a rookie head coach that an experienced coach wouldn't make. There's definitely going to be some growing pains with a new coach for the players.

I would much rather see us bring in an experienced head coach with some wins under his belt. I just don't see any of the former coaches who are in the booth now coming back to coaching.
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Like Dom Capers? I mean people are clamoring for an experienced this or that, Its gonna be a crap shoot either way.
 
cdollaz said:
Quality offenses don't have to play catchup every single week, after scoring minimal points in the first half.

Quality offenses control the ball for the WHOLE game. This is one of those cases where lofty stats are misleading and provide no insight as to the true effectiveness of this offense.
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Watching the NE/ Indy game?


Most people would say that Indy has a quality offense.
 
JB said:
Watching the NE/ Indy game?


Most people would say that Indy has a quality offense.
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Just what I was going to say. And if the Colts win, it wouldn't be the first time that Manning came back after 3 quarters of average play to put up 21 points in the last quarter to come from behind and win.
 
hradhak said:
Just what I was going to say. And if the Colts win, it wouldn't be the first time that Manning came back after 3 quarters of average play to put up 21 points in the last quarter to come from behind and win.
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So you are comparing us to a team who has owned this division since the Texans' inception. You want to point at one game, or even one season, WRT the Colts and make a comparison based on that? Good one.
 
I'm not going to argue with those that want Kubiak fired (reality would be that the entire top coaching staff would be canned once a new HC comes in). There are plenty of reasons for us to be feeling like we need a widespread change, and many of them completely valid.

I just don't see Kubiak as being at fault during this game. The two biggest things that frustrated me today were (1) Schaub's poor time management at the end of the first half and (2) our terrible secondary; particularly extremely poor safety play... yet again.

Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

The biggest thing is our Secondary. The Loss today is FULLY on them. Not Kubiak. Our offense engineered a drive to get us into the lead and then another to extend the lead and force the Jets to score a TD instead of a FG. Our offense played a very aggressive, physical, and good Jets defense and won those matchups. Our defense failed this team yet again.

Troy Nolan and Eugene Wilson were both constantly out of position and taking terrible angles on the ball. If we had even remotely better play from them we would have won. This team would easily be 6-4 right now (because of wins the last two weeks) with minutely better secondary play. That would have us in a 1st place tie in our division.

So many want Kubiak canned and that's fine. I don't call you stupid or dumb... I think you have reason to be upset. I think this is definitely a playoff team and can reach the super bowl if only our defense gets better. I'd like a really good proven DC that can teach these guys up and fire them up. We're now giving up 30 ppg and last in the NFL. I want Kubiak to stay in place, call the offense, keep doing what he's doing... but for us to (1) bring in a new DC that calls the defense and is in charge of that on game day too and (2) bring in some playmakers on that side of the ball via free agency and the draft.

That's what I want. take it or leave it. Tell me I'm a damn fool, I don't really care what you think of me. This defense is killing us. All we need to do is fix the back end of it and we're a really really good team.
 
wagonhed said:
Maybe, but we'd also have a 100% chance of not getting someone who has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he cannot win in this city.
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thats why I would'nt argue if he was fired. but those odds are a little over the top. If 3 plays go our way in the last 3 games we are probably 7 and 3 instead of 4 and 6. you can argue that winning coaches find a way to change those plays but i can argue back that the coaches who's teams make those plays or called winning coaches after the fact. there is a lot more luck involved in winning than anyone cares to admit.
 
utahmark said:
thats why I would'nt argue if he was fired. but those odds are a little over the top. If 3 plays go our way in the last 3 games we are probably 7 and 3 instead of 4 and 6. you can argue that winning coaches find a way to change those plays but i can argue back that the coaches who's teams make those plays or called winning coaches after the fact. there is a lot more luck involved in winning than anyone cares to admit.
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What about the last 3 seasons, when we have also lost close games and/or blown games at the end? Is that just bad luck also?
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'm not going to argue with those that want Kubiak fired (reality would be that the entire top coaching staff would be canned once a new HC comes in). There are plenty of reasons for us to be feeling like we need a widespread change, and many of them completely valid.

I just don't see Kubiak as being at fault during this game. The two biggest things that frustrated me today were (1) Schaub's poor time management at the end of the first half and (2) our terrible secondary; particularly extremely poor safety play... yet again.

Many will blame Kubiak for his time management/play calling, but I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 minutes... and final 30 seconds is all on Schaub. We continually waste way too much time.

The biggest thing is our Secondary. The Loss today is FULLY on them. Not Kubiak. Our offense engineered a drive to get us into the lead and then another to extend the lead and force the Jets to score a TD instead of a FG. Our offense played a very aggressive, physical, and good Jets defense and won those matchups. Our defense failed this team yet again.

Troy Nolan and Eugene Wilson were both constantly out of position and taking terrible angles on the ball. If we had even remotely better play from them we would have won. This team would easily be 6-4 right now (because of wins the last two weeks) with minutely better secondary play. That would have us in a 1st place tie in our division.

So many want Kubiak canned and that's fine. I don't call you stupid or dumb... I think you have reason to be upset. I think this is definitely a playoff team and can reach the super bowl if only our defense gets better. I'd like a really good proven DC that can teach these guys up and fire them up. We're now giving up 30 ppg and last in the NFL. I want Kubiak to stay in place, call the offense, keep doing what he's doing... but for us to (1) bring in a new DC that calls the defense and is in charge of that on game day too and (2) bring in some playmakers on that side of the ball via free agency and the draft.

That's what I want. take it or leave. Tell me I'm a damn fool, I don't really care what you think of me. This defense is killing us. All we need to do is fix the back end of it and we're a really really good team.
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I agree with you and don't think you're a fool. Others may and they are entitled to their opinion. I have called Kubiak out on numerous stupid decisions these past few years but I think those have been fixed for the most part. There's a reason our offense is ranked so high in offensive efficiency on footballoutsiders.com. It's mostly his doing. My fear is that bringing in a defensive head coach can destroy all that work. That being said, the coaching staff in its current state has to change. Whether Kubiak stays and we bring in a new DC or we fire Kubiak and clean house I'm ok with it as long as we can maintain our offensive prowess.
 
cdollaz said:
What about the last 3 seasons, when we have also lost close games and/or blown games at the end? Is that just bad luck also?
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I don't know. I'm just pretty sure you guys don't either. Maybe he is doing something wrong. I'm not sure how the last 3 games are his fault. It does keep happening though. So maybe get rid of him.

I don't think it's obvious though and I like the in game coaching for the last few games. I like the choices that have been made. He's corrected a lot of his flaws. He is even better on his challanges this year. He is to slow to make changes but once he makes a change he seems to get it right.

something has to be done. I just don't know if firing everyone is the best choice.
 
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