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Texans Plan To Show "Sign of Solidarity" Sunday

Well, it's better than opening the game with Taylor Swift...

Soooo you're saying you wouldn't want to stare at this for a good 3-4 minutes?

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As for billionaires vs. millionaires, how many NFL players are really making top dollar?

Some guys have monster contracts, but many more are making NFL minimum.

Its the old guys and the special teamers that are getting screwed by the current CBA.

I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.
 
I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.

If your career is 3 years, you have to make the most of it.

I thought practice squad made something stupid low like $30,000 a year. Never researched it though, just heard that number some where.

People bitched at the writer's strike a few years ago, but it wasn't for the show-runners making a few mil a year, it was for the guys bringing in $13k a year
 
Question is: if there is a lockout and a strike players cross the lines, as PSL owners are we going to have to pay full price to watch strike players to keep our PSL's? Ugh..

Ya betcha..........Oh, the owners may out of the kindness of their hearts offer you a 2 dollar off coupon per game towards any beer you may purchase during the game, just to shut you up........Just be thankful that you don't hold a PSL in the new monument to Jerrah's being!:tiphat:
 
In an incredibly violent sport where the owners don't look after the veteran players who made the NFL what it is today, I don't begrudge anything the players are doing in this situation. The owners want to lock them out. Don't forget that.
 
If your career is 3 years, you have to make the most of it.

I thought practice squad made something stupid low like $30,000 a year. Never researched it though, just heard that number some where.

People bitched at the writer's strike a few years ago, but it wasn't for the show-runners making a few mil a year, it was for the guys bringing in $13k a year

Median salary on the Texans last year was $802,280. Lowest paid on the team was $315,000 for Verdell and $317, 000 for J. Johnson.
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This year PS salary is $5200 a week.

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Good for them. The owners of the NFL rule with more or less an iron fist and dictate almost all the terms and conditions to the players. The owners have an effective monopoly and the only way the players can have representation is if they unite.

Solidarity!
 
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/295242-1

Bad Sports: How Owners Are Ruining The Games We Love
Dave Zirin, sports editor for The Nation, argues against the business actions of professional sports owners. The author examines the different tactics that he believes owners use to manipulate city officials and fans to maintain their sports teams, from the threat of moving teams to other cities if certain demands are not met to the use of public money to finance new stadiums and arenas. Dave Zirin discussed his book at Politics and Prose Bookstore in Washington, D.C.

Go watch the first 20 minutes of the video.
 
In an incredibly violent sport where the owners don't look after the veteran players who made the NFL what it is today, I don't begrudge anything the players are doing in this situation. The owners want to lock them out. Don't forget that.

I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.
 
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.

It has nothing to do with feeling sorry for them. You don't have any obligation to feel sorry for any of those people. That doesn't mean they can't organize, though....

By the way, ever heard of the Fraternal Order of Police?
 
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.

Absolutely. Still, in a billion dollar industry there is no reason that the health and welfare of NFL veterans cannot be looked after. These are working conditions and compensation that the players should negotiate for. Tell me again why I am supposed to feel bad for Jerry Jones, or Daniel Snyder over contract negotiation they willingly signed and now want to back out of?
 
If the strike happens I feel bad for ME. Not the damned owners or the damned players. ME.

One day the fan might form a union and plan organized walk outs on their own, but not in my lifetime. Until then the mightiest voice will remain the most silent and poorest voice in the mix, that of the fan.
 
Makes about as much since as Dave Matthews Band being there as well.

from what i saw of the opening day concerts, ol' dave was attempting a bit of subversion.. i thought that was kinda funny.

and as for taylor swift, i'll watch her on mute because she's like a child.. better seen, not heard.
 
The players are not going to win this one.


Goodell has said that the "TV networks" will not pay for games that are not played. BUT.....................

what he conveniently leaves out is that the owners essentially have "lockout insurance" built into their TV contracts.

Direct TV (which is NOT a network) has a contract with the NFL for 1 billion dollars a year from 2011 to 2014..............to be paid whether ANY games are played or not.

Furthermore, Goodell is disengenuous in that the networks are obligated to pay for all games played every year. The owners are then obligated to re-imburse the networks later or have the amount discounted in future years.

What do you think the owners will be doing with all passive cash?????
 
College football's popularity will go thru the roof. Not that they needed much more to help them along.
 
I would like them to come together like this for one other thing: The older retired NFL players who helped built this league and aren't getting the medical benefits or compensation they should be due from the NFL pension. We probably all feel the same way because we know of Earl Campbell.
 
From Ricky Jackson's recent Hall of Fame speech in his address to the players and NFL:

These Hall of Famers here, I just seeing how these guys carry themselves, the love they had for football. We need to keep football going. Can't let football get away. I mean you can get where the product can be so good, you can lose sight and let it get away.

I think right now the National Football League, need to get together and make sure that we keep the game what it is today. Don't let it get away because we got a great product. When you got a great product, you need to keep it going. Hard to keep stuff going in America. When you got something good, try to do the right thick with it so you keep it going.
 
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.

I heard this argument on the radio the other day, but I don't think it is relevant. The reason why football players get paid so much is because it is extremely rare to guys who can perform at the level of Manning, Brady, etc. They aren't getting paid for risk of injury, they are paid for their talent. The policemen, firemen and military personnel are mostly a dime a dozen, but the more specialized members do get paid a lot more.
 
In an incredibly violent sport where the owners don't look after the veteran players who made the NFL what it is today, I don't begrudge anything the players are doing in this situation. The owners want to lock them out. Don't forget that.

You might also want to don't forget that the main thing that players are demanding is total unrestricted free agency, like they have in baseball. They also want to do away with the salary cap, like in baseball.

They can demand all the money they want, but if they screw up the abilty of each team to compete for talent, I am DONE watching NFL football. Period. End of story, like 2nd Honeymoon likes to say.
 
I heard this argument on the radio the other day, but I don't think it is relevant. The reason why football players get paid so much is because it is extremely rare to guys who can perform at the level of Manning, Brady, etc. They aren't getting paid for risk of injury, they are paid for their talent. The policemen, firemen and military personnel are mostly a dime a dozen, but the more specialized members do get paid a lot more.

You wouldn't buy a ticket to see a fireman, policeman or military personnel
perform. The people who make big bucks, generate the pool of money from
which they are paid.
 
Absolutely. Still, in a billion dollar industry there is no reason that the health and welfare of NFL veterans cannot be looked after. These are working conditions and compensation that the players should negotiate for. Tell me again why I am supposed to feel bad for Jerry Jones, or Daniel Snyder over contract negotiation they willingly signed and now want to back out of?

Don't get me wrong, in this case of a potential lock out, I'm against BOTH the players and the owners.

But as is the case with everything, the market will bear the price people are willing to pay. And as long as folks keep paying money to buy expensive seats and TV network are willing to pay what they do, it will do what it always does, increase in price until the market won't bear that price. It's apparent that folks and TV network are willing to pay whatever the NFL asks, so my opinion means nothing to anyone except to me. LOL
 
Don't get me wrong, in this case of a potential lock out, I'm against BOTH the players and the owners.

But as is the case with everything, the market will bear the price people are willing to pay. And as long as folks keep paying money to buy expensive seats and TV network are willing to pay what they do, it will do what it always does, increase in price until the market won't bear that price. It's apparent that folks and TV network are willing to pay whatever the NFL asks, so my opinion means nothing to anyone except to me. LOL

A work stoppage can change all of that, though. Both sides really need to think this through. The NFL makes a lot of money for a lot of people, has competitive balance and fan interest at the moment. Nothing is guaranteed. Sports as hallowed as MLB and seemingly up and coming like NASCAR have taken a fall in recent times. Being a hardliner for a profitable sport in a time of economic instability is so shortsighted it takes my breath away. As a person who spends several hundred dollars a year to get the NFL here in New Zealand, it wouldn't take much foolishness on their part to have me spend my money and attention elsewhere.
 
The NFL is nothing without the players. I like that they are unified. They should be. The owners certainly are.
That's not entirely true. While the owners unanimously voted to opt out of the CBA, there were varying reasons. The game within the game in this round of labor negotiations is the big vs small market teams.What revenue will and will not be shared with the players, and amongst the teams themselves. And while some owners are well positioned for a year without revenue, other owners have large debt will need the cash of ticket and luxury box sales, concessions, advertising, etc. That's an element that makes this CBA negotiation different than any before it.

This stuff is silly, and only makes me pissed off at the players. They need to have their head in the game.
Exactly. This is the wrong time and the wrong place. The offseason is their time. Now, they're on our time. They can take care of their personal business "off the clock".
 
The more I research and read about this and the more I hear about this, the more, as a fan, I feel......................A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!!:cool:
 
This game has become ALL ABOUT MONEY, very little true loyalty, selfish, self centered individuals who think making millions is not enough! I've been a fan of this GAME for close to 60 years! I watched football when players had a regular job as well as "playing football." They did it for the LOVE OF THE GAME! That does not exist anymore. They are hired to do a job, get paid very well, and have an opportunity to make MORE if they do that job well. Fans pay what we do because we love the game of football, enjoy it as an entertainment factor in our lives, BUT, life will go on without it!! We don't need football players to survive!!

If I pulled this type of "crap" at my job, I would be jobless very quick! NO, I do not work for a union. "if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions." To answer that question truthfully! I am a professional! When I'm at work, I conduct myself as one.

Wow. It's become about money because people like you and I throw money at it. I haven't been a fan of this game as long as you have, haven't even lived as long as you've been a fan. However you talk about this love of the game, that's BS it's about love of the NFL. If the elite players of the NFL left and went to UFL or another brand you know what, alot of fans would follow the PLAYERS, BECAUSE ELITE PERFORMANCES ARE WHAT ENTERTAIN, and these players are paid as such because they provide elite performances.

I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you are an elite performer, I doubt you would be jobless. Further if your boss came to you and demanded more of you for the same wage would you just take that? Wouldn't it be better to make the lateral move, or maybe express yourselve and remind your boss of your value to the company.

I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.

I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.
 
I support nfl football and whatever it takes to put it on the field. I don't care who makes the most money - owners or players - I don't even particularly care how much they make.

This is entertainment and, as such, doesn't really fall under the same umbrella as policemen, teachers, etc. People pay for the entertainment they prefer - football, movies, books, basketball, etc. It is the fun in their lives - not their work and their free choice to pay or not to pay. Often, free choice isn't a consideration in one's job - but it is in your entertainment.

I think the owners and the players should keep all of the bargaining off the field/off the media and get it settled one way or the other. There is nothing the fans can do about it - so why bother us with it? This isn't a political rally where we get to vote on an issue - this is football.

Play the dratted game and keep your company business in the mediation room.
 
Wow. It's become about money because people like you and I throw money at it. I haven't been a fan of this game as long as you have, haven't even lived as long as you've been a fan. However you talk about this love of the game, that's BS it's about love of the NFL. If the elite players of the NFL left and went to UFL or another brand you know what, alot of fans would follow the PLAYERS, BECAUSE ELITE PERFORMANCES ARE WHAT ENTERTAIN, and these players are paid as such because they provide elite performances.

I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you are an elite performer, I doubt you would be jobless. Further if your boss came to you and demanded more of you for the same wage would you just take that? Wouldn't it be better to make the lateral move, or maybe express yourselve and remind your boss of your value to the company.

I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.

I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.

Your premise does not hold when you look at how many pack college stadiums each week and even HS stadiums. In fact, there are many who would rather go to those games than to NFL games, and would tell you that those games are much more exciting to them. In Canada, the excitement of Canadian fans being at their games rivals any seen in the states watching NFL football.......despite the supposed lesser talent. As much disappointment would be felt, if the NFL folded today, lesser venues would become available immediately both locally and nationally..........and more afordable for the honor of being able to view them upclose and personal. Life would go on with new "favorite" teams and new "favorite" players. Yes, life would go on.
 
Lame. It gives the impression that they just dont give a damn about the game itself.

What ever gave you the impression that they did? It's business first. Going thru the motions of actually playing the game for "us" is a distant second.
 
I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.

I'm really glad that you can relate. Personally I cannot relate to anyone making over a 1/4 million dollars a year. And I don't care if they want to show solidarity among themselves. But, do not try to make me a part of it. This is what pisses me off...

KICKOFF MESSAGE FROM ALL NFL PLAYERS TO OUR FANS

We are men, and we are family men who love our country, our game and our fans.

As we face an uncertain future and the threat of being locked out of the game we love and rely on to provide for our families, we make to you this solemn promise:

To the Players who have come before us, fought and paid the price for pensions, health care and free agency—to men like John Mackey, Alan Page, Dan Marino, Freeman McNeil, Boomer Esiason, Reggie White and Kevin Mawae;
To the stadium workers, officers, businesses and everyone who gets their hands dirty working for this game;
To each and every player who risks everything for the thrill of this game;
To everyone who loves this game and lives as we do for kickoff;
And to the few who stand against us;
The Players and fans will STAND AS ONE.

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The NFLPA is trying to give the appearance that the fans are on their side. Total BS. I'm not on either side, because neither side is in the right. They both have to compromise.



That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.

The idea that the owners are making the players bend over and take it is ludicrous. The CBA the owners just opted out of (a right the players insisted on) had the players receiving 60% of revenue. The owners are on record as saying that they want to reduce rookie salaries and change the players revenue to 50%. I am sure that most employees in the country would fall all over themselves for 50% of their companies revenue.

The players do not get my sympathy, nor do the owners. All I ask is that they do their negotiating behind closed doors, and get the damn deal done!
 
If the NFLPA sues the NFL, where do you think the monies for all the legal fees on both sides are going to ultimately come from. Just like after the 1987 strike, you better hold onto your wallets.
 
Wow. It's become about money because people like you and I throw money at it. I haven't been a fan of this game as long as you have, haven't even lived as long as you've been a fan. However you talk about this love of the game, that's BS it's about love of the NFL. If the elite players of the NFL left and went to UFL or another brand you know what, alot of fans would follow the PLAYERS, BECAUSE ELITE PERFORMANCES ARE WHAT ENTERTAIN, and these players are paid as such because they provide elite performances.

I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you are an elite performer, I doubt you would be jobless. Further if your boss came to you and demanded more of you for the same wage would you just take that? Wouldn't it be better to make the lateral move, or maybe express yourselve and remind your boss of your value to the company.

I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.

I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.

What the hell do you think a lot of us did after the Oilers left? This is not the first time there has been a strike either. My love of the GAME started with high school football, which I still follow. Not into College football that much, but, during lapses in the NFL, I learned to appreciate football at the college level all that much more. Don't tell me it's all about the NFL and that I don't LOVE the game!! I enjoy watching my grandson's play football as much as I do any NFL player, and it does NOT cost me a friggin fortune. There are ELITE performers in a lot of different areas of entertainment. Maybe if I didn't spend over 400 bucks every Sunday just for tickets, plus another hundred or more for tailgating, I would be able to travel more, or go to NY to the theatre, or save and go to the Olympics! YES, we all enjoy the entertainment that comes from the NFL, but, we can survive without it!!

I am a Registered Nurse, and have been for 43 years. My boss DEMANDS more of me every damn day for the same salary, and I have to do it, or be replaced!! RNs are considered professionals, and I have respect for my profession. So YES, I have to submit myself to whatever is ask of me, or someone in my care just might die.

This arguement can go on forever and we will not come any closer to agreeing than the players or owners. truth is, the fans are the only victims. The owners make mega bucks, the players make mega bucks, the fans SPEND mega bucks just so we can be entertained by selfish people.

There is one issue that I totally agree with, and that is the older generation players should be compensated for their contribution to the sport. The owners should take care of those who made this game what it is today.
 
What the hell do you think a lot of us did after the Oilers left? This is not the first time there has been a strike either. My love of the GAME started with high school football, which I still follow. Not into College football that much, but, during lapses in the NFL, I learned to appreciate football at the college level all that much more. Don't tell me it's all about the NFL and that I don't LOVE the game!! I enjoy watching my grandson's play football as much as I do any NFL player, and it does NOT cost me a friggin fortune. There are ELITE performers in a lot of different areas of entertainment. Maybe if I didn't spend over 400 bucks every Sunday just for tickets, plus another hundred or more for tailgating, I would be able to travel more, or go to NY to the theatre, or save and go to the Olympics! YES, we all enjoy the entertainment that comes from the NFL, but, we can survive without it!!

I am a Registered Nurse, and have been for 43 years. My boss DEMANDS more of me every damn day for the same salary, and I have to do it, or be replaced!! RNs are considered professionals, and I have respect for my profession. So YES, I have to submit myself to whatever is ask of me, or someone in my care just might die.

This arguement can go on forever and we will not come any closer to agreeing than the players or owners. truth is, the fans are the only victims. The owners make mega bucks, the players make mega bucks, the fans SPEND mega bucks just so we can be entertained by selfish people.

There is one issue that I totally agree with, and that is the older generation players should be compensated for their contribution to the sport. The owners should take care of those who made this game what it is today.


Uhhhhhh....what she said!!! :)
 
I could care less about this, but I don't think the players are wrong.

You want what you think you're worth...Some players will benefit from this...Some will not...
 
I could care less about this, but I don't think the players are wrong.

You want what you think you're worth...Some players will benefit from this...Some will not...

Everyone in every job wants what they are worth. Some get it...others don't. If you are unhappy with how you are being paid...what do you do? Go get a new job...
 
Everyone in every job wants what they are worth. Some get it...others don't. If you are unhappy with how you are being paid...what do you do? Go get a new job...

Yeah...Some of these players will have to get new jobs if the hold out goes on for long enough...

All those Practice Squad and fringe roster guys better be doing some penny pinching...

I keep hearing about the millionaire players, but there are many NFL players that make around the same amount of money as someone who is just very successful in their career...
 
I'm trying to figure out who has the upper hand in negotiations and I still haven't quite figured that out...

The owners are owners for a reason...Most of them are top shelf business men...They make a living out of getting negotiations to go in their favor...

Meanwhile, the players are the ones who actually provide the entertainment....

But you'll have some players that are more motivated to get the deal hammered out than others...

Gonna be interesting to see what happens.
 
I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.

I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.

Let's say you were in sales, you're the top salesperson for your company. You bring in over $30 million in sales for your employer. Lets say you're with a customer, talking about renewing his contract.

Would you pause before your presentation to make sure your customer knew you & your employer were in the middle of a labor dispute that should be settled in 6 months?

Would you consider that professional?

Heck, would you ask for his support, because that's what the players are doing with this "show of solidarity" before the game.
 
I actually sat here and read through all five pages of this thread before I decided to post. I agree with those of you who said to keep this mess off of the field. It belongs behind closed doors, period.

If I had to pick a side though, I would side with the owners. Yes, the players are the ones that the fans show up to see, but the owners are the ones who shelled out all of that money to purchase the team. As a co-owner of a small business, I wouldn't sympathize with my employees if they all decided to show a sign of solidarity and demand more money. I feel like I bear the financial burden of running the company and the stress that goes along with it, so shouldn't you make the most from the profits? I'm not saying that you should pay your employees like **** (which I don't BTW), but those NFL players aren't paid like **** either. There are plenty of things that go on behind closed doors that have to deal with running a business that the players do not have to worry about. Those headaches can drive you crazy sometimes and that's why the CEOs make what they do. Also, the players wanting 50-60% of the money is rediculous. How does that impact owner's profits after they have to deal with profit sharing for teams that can't sustain themselves?

I have a lot more to say, but I'll leave it at that for now. :cool:
 
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I keep hearing about the millionaire players, but there are many NFL players that make around the same amount of money as someone who is just very successful in their career...

I'd say that 325K...or whatever the league minimum is a very good salary. Don't waste it on Lambo's or mansions and one can probably do just fine.
 
I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.

From what my understanding of the situation is, the players are not going on strike...They are being told that they will not be able to play by the owners, hence the situation being called a 'hold out' or 'lock out'...

Basically, If my understanding is correct, the players are not asking for a higher percentage of the pie...Instead, the owners are saying that they want to give them less than what they are currently giving...

I have heard that the Owners are complaining that they are losing money...The NFLPA has asked to see the books as proof that they are indeed losing money...The owners have refused to do so...

ND Kalu was on the radio talking about this the other day and he basically laid it out as such.

So basically the situation boils down to the Owners wanting to pay players less and the players not wanting to take a smaller percentage of the pie....

That is why I can't really blame the players...I know they will still be rich no matter what, but I can feel their frustration if they think that the owners are just being frugal and wanting to make their billions grow...

Either way, I hope they get it worked out...

It must suck to be screwed with almost $100k for 4 months of work...:rolleyes:

C'mon JB....they may only play games for around four months, but staying in shape and being ready to play come August/September is a years worth of work...

If Peyton Manning only worked at his craft for 4 months we'd have beat him more than once by now...
 
From what my understanding of the situation is, the players are not going on strike...They are being told that they will not be able to play by the owners, hence the situation being called a 'hold out'.....

Basically, If my understanding is correct, the players are not asking for a higher percentage of the pie...Instead, the owners are saying that they want to give them less...

I have heard that the Owners are complaining that they are losing money...The NFLPA has asked to see the books as proof that they are indeed losing money...The owners have refused to do so...

ND Kalu was on the radio talking about this the other day and he basically laid it out as such.

So basically the situation boils down to the Owners wanting to pay players less and the players not wanting to take a smaller percentage of the pie....

That is why I can't really blame the players...I know they will still be rich no matter what, but I can feel their frustration if they think that the owners are just being frugal and wanting to make their billions grow...

Either way, I hope they get it worked out...

If you were the owner of a company, would you be happy with giving your employees 60% of revenue? Not 60% of profit, but 60 % of revenue?

Again, I really don't care about the issues at hand, 'cause I have no control over that. I just want them to keep their negotiating off the football field. Just play ball on Sunday and hold your ceremonial bs for behind closed doors.
 
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