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Well, it's better than opening the game with Taylor Swift...
Soooo you're saying you wouldn't want to stare at this for a good 3-4 minutes?
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Well, it's better than opening the game with Taylor Swift...
As for billionaires vs. millionaires, how many NFL players are really making top dollar?
Some guys have monster contracts, but many more are making NFL minimum.
Its the old guys and the special teamers that are getting screwed by the current CBA.
Soooo you're saying you wouldn't want to stare at this for a good 3-4 minutes?
I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.
Question is: if there is a lockout and a strike players cross the lines, as PSL owners are we going to have to pay full price to watch strike players to keep our PSL's? Ugh..
If your career is 3 years, you have to make the most of it.
I thought practice squad made something stupid low like $30,000 a year. Never researched it though, just heard that number some where.
People bitched at the writer's strike a few years ago, but it wasn't for the show-runners making a few mil a year, it was for the guys bringing in $13k a year
Dave Zirin, sports editor for The Nation, argues against the business actions of professional sports owners. The author examines the different tactics that he believes owners use to manipulate city officials and fans to maintain their sports teams, from the threat of moving teams to other cities if certain demands are not met to the use of public money to finance new stadiums and arenas. Dave Zirin discussed his book at Politics and Prose Bookstore in Washington, D.C.
In an incredibly violent sport where the owners don't look after the veteran players who made the NFL what it is today, I don't begrudge anything the players are doing in this situation. The owners want to lock them out. Don't forget that.
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.
Makes about as much since as Dave Matthews Band being there as well.
These Hall of Famers here, I just seeing how these guys carry themselves, the love they had for football. We need to keep football going. Can't let football get away. I mean you can get where the product can be so good, you can lose sight and let it get away.
I think right now the National Football League, need to get together and make sure that we keep the game what it is today. Don't let it get away because we got a great product. When you got a great product, you need to keep it going. Hard to keep stuff going in America. When you got something good, try to do the right thick with it so you keep it going.
I agree the job of a professional football player carries a large risk of injury, but so does being a policeman, fireman, or a member of the Armed Services. They all made a choice and I don't feel a bit sorry for the football players. I'd like to see the aforementioned service men and women get better compensation before football players, I can guarentee you that.
In an incredibly violent sport where the owners don't look after the veteran players who made the NFL what it is today, I don't begrudge anything the players are doing in this situation. The owners want to lock them out. Don't forget that.
I heard this argument on the radio the other day, but I don't think it is relevant. The reason why football players get paid so much is because it is extremely rare to guys who can perform at the level of Manning, Brady, etc. They aren't getting paid for risk of injury, they are paid for their talent. The policemen, firemen and military personnel are mostly a dime a dozen, but the more specialized members do get paid a lot more.
Absolutely. Still, in a billion dollar industry there is no reason that the health and welfare of NFL veterans cannot be looked after. These are working conditions and compensation that the players should negotiate for. Tell me again why I am supposed to feel bad for Jerry Jones, or Daniel Snyder over contract negotiation they willingly signed and now want to back out of?
Don't get me wrong, in this case of a potential lock out, I'm against BOTH the players and the owners.
But as is the case with everything, the market will bear the price people are willing to pay. And as long as folks keep paying money to buy expensive seats and TV network are willing to pay what they do, it will do what it always does, increase in price until the market won't bear that price. It's apparent that folks and TV network are willing to pay whatever the NFL asks, so my opinion means nothing to anyone except to me. LOL
That's not entirely true. While the owners unanimously voted to opt out of the CBA, there were varying reasons. The game within the game in this round of labor negotiations is the big vs small market teams.What revenue will and will not be shared with the players, and amongst the teams themselves. And while some owners are well positioned for a year without revenue, other owners have large debt will need the cash of ticket and luxury box sales, concessions, advertising, etc. That's an element that makes this CBA negotiation different than any before it.The NFL is nothing without the players. I like that they are unified. They should be. The owners certainly are.
Exactly. This is the wrong time and the wrong place. The offseason is their time. Now, they're on our time. They can take care of their personal business "off the clock".This stuff is silly, and only makes me pissed off at the players. They need to have their head in the game.
There are many ways that the players may end up screwing themselves.
AP source: Union considering decertification vote
By BARRY WILNER AP Pro Football Writer © 2010 The Associated Press
Sept. 11, 2010, 2:01PM
The more I research and read about this and the more I hear about this, the more, as a fan, I feel......................A POX ON BOTH YOUR HOUSES!!
This game has become ALL ABOUT MONEY, very little true loyalty, selfish, self centered individuals who think making millions is not enough! I've been a fan of this GAME for close to 60 years! I watched football when players had a regular job as well as "playing football." They did it for the LOVE OF THE GAME! That does not exist anymore. They are hired to do a job, get paid very well, and have an opportunity to make MORE if they do that job well. Fans pay what we do because we love the game of football, enjoy it as an entertainment factor in our lives, BUT, life will go on without it!! We don't need football players to survive!!
If I pulled this type of "crap" at my job, I would be jobless very quick! NO, I do not work for a union. "if you're at work and you express yourself would you like everyone telling you their opinions about your actions." To answer that question truthfully! I am a professional! When I'm at work, I conduct myself as one.
Wow. It's become about money because people like you and I throw money at it. I haven't been a fan of this game as long as you have, haven't even lived as long as you've been a fan. However you talk about this love of the game, that's BS it's about love of the NFL. If the elite players of the NFL left and went to UFL or another brand you know what, alot of fans would follow the PLAYERS, BECAUSE ELITE PERFORMANCES ARE WHAT ENTERTAIN, and these players are paid as such because they provide elite performances.
I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you are an elite performer, I doubt you would be jobless. Further if your boss came to you and demanded more of you for the same wage would you just take that? Wouldn't it be better to make the lateral move, or maybe express yourselve and remind your boss of your value to the company.
I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.
I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.
Lame. It gives the impression that they just dont give a damn about the game itself.
I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.
KICKOFF MESSAGE FROM ALL NFL PLAYERS TO OUR FANS
We are men, and we are family men who love our country, our game and our fans.
As we face an uncertain future and the threat of being locked out of the game we love and rely on to provide for our families, we make to you this solemn promise:
To the Players who have come before us, fought and paid the price for pensions, health care and free agencyto men like John Mackey, Alan Page, Dan Marino, Freeman McNeil, Boomer Esiason, Reggie White and Kevin Mawae;
To the stadium workers, officers, businesses and everyone who gets their hands dirty working for this game;
To each and every player who risks everything for the thrill of this game;
To everyone who loves this game and lives as we do for kickoff;
And to the few who stand against us;
The Players and fans will STAND AS ONE.
That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.
Wow. It's become about money because people like you and I throw money at it. I haven't been a fan of this game as long as you have, haven't even lived as long as you've been a fan. However you talk about this love of the game, that's BS it's about love of the NFL. If the elite players of the NFL left and went to UFL or another brand you know what, alot of fans would follow the PLAYERS, BECAUSE ELITE PERFORMANCES ARE WHAT ENTERTAIN, and these players are paid as such because they provide elite performances.
I don't know what kind of job you have, but if you are an elite performer, I doubt you would be jobless. Further if your boss came to you and demanded more of you for the same wage would you just take that? Wouldn't it be better to make the lateral move, or maybe express yourselve and remind your boss of your value to the company.
I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.
I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.
What the hell do you think a lot of us did after the Oilers left? This is not the first time there has been a strike either. My love of the GAME started with high school football, which I still follow. Not into College football that much, but, during lapses in the NFL, I learned to appreciate football at the college level all that much more. Don't tell me it's all about the NFL and that I don't LOVE the game!! I enjoy watching my grandson's play football as much as I do any NFL player, and it does NOT cost me a friggin fortune. There are ELITE performers in a lot of different areas of entertainment. Maybe if I didn't spend over 400 bucks every Sunday just for tickets, plus another hundred or more for tailgating, I would be able to travel more, or go to NY to the theatre, or save and go to the Olympics! YES, we all enjoy the entertainment that comes from the NFL, but, we can survive without it!!
I am a Registered Nurse, and have been for 43 years. My boss DEMANDS more of me every damn day for the same salary, and I have to do it, or be replaced!! RNs are considered professionals, and I have respect for my profession. So YES, I have to submit myself to whatever is ask of me, or someone in my care just might die.
This arguement can go on forever and we will not come any closer to agreeing than the players or owners. truth is, the fans are the only victims. The owners make mega bucks, the players make mega bucks, the fans SPEND mega bucks just so we can be entertained by selfish people.
There is one issue that I totally agree with, and that is the older generation players should be compensated for their contribution to the sport. The owners should take care of those who made this game what it is today.
I could care less about this, but I don't think the players are wrong.
You want what you think you're worth...Some players will benefit from this...Some will not...
Everyone in every job wants what they are worth. Some get it...others don't. If you are unhappy with how you are being paid...what do you do? Go get a new job...
Soooo you're saying you wouldn't want to stare at this for a good 3-4 minutes?
I wish I was getting screwed that way.I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.
I don't know what you mean when you say professional, but if you mean submitting yourself to whatever is asked of you, I don't see that as something to be proud of. That's the impression I get from your posts. That these guys should just bend over and take it while the owners pull in billions so that we the customers can be happy.
I support the players because I can relate to their frustration.
I keep hearing about the millionaire players, but there are many NFL players that make around the same amount of money as someone who is just very successful in their career...
I wish I was getting screwed that way.
I thnk I read that the PS guys got $5200 a week. Hardly getting screwed. What is min. for a vested vet? $325,000 or something like that? Hardly getting screwed.
It must suck to be screwed with almost $100k for 4 months of work...
From what my understanding of the situation is, the players are not going on strike...They are being told that they will not be able to play by the owners, hence the situation being called a 'hold out'.....
Basically, If my understanding is correct, the players are not asking for a higher percentage of the pie...Instead, the owners are saying that they want to give them less...
I have heard that the Owners are complaining that they are losing money...The NFLPA has asked to see the books as proof that they are indeed losing money...The owners have refused to do so...
ND Kalu was on the radio talking about this the other day and he basically laid it out as such.
So basically the situation boils down to the Owners wanting to pay players less and the players not wanting to take a smaller percentage of the pie....
That is why I can't really blame the players...I know they will still be rich no matter what, but I can feel their frustration if they think that the owners are just being frugal and wanting to make their billions grow...
Either way, I hope they get it worked out...