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Pretty disappointing draft

buddyboy said:
You say that you realize you've been wrong on multiple occasions, yet you keep making blanket statements that have no proof or foundation like:

"Jackson is not a cover guy"
"Only Texans had him [Jackson] rated higher than Wilson or McCourty"
"Shelley Smith a throw away pick that will not beat out any of current OGs"
"[Gettis] in Red Zone who could make one of current WRs obsolete"

You seem to have the ability to read the future if you KNOW that Smith isn't going to beat out any of the other guards, and that this Gettis guy would have for sure beaten out Kevin Walter or JJ (We got the TE/WR, who you also claimed "isn't as good" with 100% certainty).

I'm not sure how you can say all these things without having seen these players on the field for the Texans.
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People all over the nation are taking sides on whether Tebow will or will not be an NFL QB. None "know" either way but they do discuss their opinions based on info they have access to. That is all I do. Never compared myself to any draftologist or claim to have "the" answer. The purpose of this forum is to express our thoughts and opinions and that is what I do. Like you.

Jackson links supporting either my comment or my draft grade.
"Jackson a reach #20". Draft grade D+ http://www.hofstrachronicle.com/sports/2010-nfl-draft-grades-1.1428615
Jackson a 2nd but could "sneak into 1st"http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2411

ALso, Agility/Hips: Doesn't have the best agility and looks to be a little stiff in his hips. Change-of-direction ability is lacking. Can be beaten by smaller, shiftier receivers fairly easily. Lack of hip fluidity hurts him when he transitions out of his breaks.

Ball Skills: Hands are below average. But Jackson can do just about everything else asked in this area. He makes a lot of plays on the ball and is good at breaking up a catch. Finished his three-year career with 29 pass breakups and five interceptions.

Instincts/Recognition: Jackson could improve here a good deal. Too often he got burned on double moves to the outside. Because of his lack of great agility, he can be beat on comeback routes and needs to sharpen up his instincts to know when that route may be called. Quickly diagnoses run plays.

Man coverage: Played a lot of bump and run coverage for Alabama. Knows how to properly use his hands to jam at the line. When he can stick with a receiver, he's aggressive and can re-direct routes. Needs to smooth out his backpedal. Jackson's feet will get choppy, which causes him to lose receivers deep.






Pursuit: Lacks great speed, which is detrimental to his deep pursuit. Has good enough short-area burst to close when the ball carrier in nearby.

Size: Has a solid size and build for the position. Arms are a little shorter than ideal. Fame is solidly built and he might not be able to add a lot of bulk.

Speed: Straight-line speed is solid but not spectacular. Has trouble sticking with shiftier receivers. Uses his physical skills to make up for a lack of speed.

Tackling/Run Support: More of a leg tackler, but does show he has the skills to wrap up and drag down. Plays stronger than he probably is. Struggles to shed blockers to help support in run coverage. Tries to be too flashy instead of being sound.

Zone coverage: Although Jackson was used in man coverage a lot, he may be better as a zone cornerback. Jackson's anticipation skills are very good and he reads the opposing quarterback really well. Locates the ball quickly once it's in the air. Uses his physicality nicely in zone to move the receiver to make a play on the ball.

Final word: Jackson benefited greatly from playing in Nick Saban's NFL-style defense. He played a lot of man on his side, but has the skill to handle zone.

Jackson's size isn't all that great, but he is a physical cornerback. That helps him make up for a lack of agility and speed.
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buddyboy said:
You say that you realize you've been wrong on multiple occasions, yet you keep making blanket statements that have no proof or foundation like:

"Jackson is not a cover guy"
"Only Texans had him [Jackson] rated higher than Wilson or McCourty"
"Shelley Smith a throw away pick that will not beat out any of current OGs"
"[Gettis] in Red Zone who could make one of current WRs obsolete"

You seem to have the ability to read the future if you KNOW that Smith isn't going to beat out any of the other guards, and that this Gettis guy would have for sure beaten out Kevin Walter or JJ (We got the TE/WR, who you also claimed "isn't as good" with 100% certainty).
I'm not sure how you can say all these things without having seen these players on the field for the Texans.
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Where did you get the idea that I said Gettis would beat out Kevin Walter or JJ? The comment I made about Walter was that he was not my guy when he came to Texans & I admitted to being wrong about him. I stated that Gettis could beat out one of our current WRs. Others have posted on other threads that Davis may be on the outside looking in.
 
texasguy346 said:
You do realize that both Jackson and McCourty went before Wilson don't you? The Patriots took McCourty with the 27th pick and the Jets took Wilson at 29th overall. So at a minimum at least two teams had Wilson ranked lower on their boards.
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We do not know if NE had Jackson over McCourty, just McCourty over Wilson.
 
WolverineFan said:
Where exactly do you see Sharpton starting? WLB? I see no way he beats out Diles as a rookie.

I think Jackson starts and Tate is technically a starter. Platoon 1 of Tate and Slaton and platoon 2 of Foster and Moats.

Mitchell won't start, but will be in the rotation. It's not really important who starts at DT if you have 4 or 5 reliable guys in the rotation.

Sharpton will get special teams work but I don't see him starting as a rookie.

Graham won't start this year I don't think, but he'll have Dressen's job by next year.

McManis is depth and special teams.

Smith is depth.

Holliday will be the main return guy so technically a starter.

Dickerson probably won't play this year since he is transitioning to a new position. Will probably get looks on special teams though.
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Agree don't see how you can get 4 starters out of the draft.

I think some people are selling themselves on some of the more questionable picks.

Corrosion said:
With Antonio Cromartie and Darrelle Revis on that roster he may not even start - He'll likely be the nickle.

Think they had Pey_Me_A_Ton in mind when they made that pick ?
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Where they picked and what they did to improve themselves in the off-season the Jets didn't have any real glaring needs IMO. They just took the BPA and it might also be an indictment that they are prepared in case Cromartie doesn't work out.
 
interesting in the way we all have "our guys" but once the draft is over I'm all about the players who actually where drafted by the Texans first & foremost. The Texans scouts are paid to gather information. The coaches are the ones who have more influence while Rick Smith is the moderator/bargineer. I'm sure several scouts where disapointed they didn't get their guy either? Frank Bush along with David Gibbs had to be all on board with Kareem, if thats the case then so am I. I get the feeling Ben Tate was Kubiaks guy, as he has been gushing all over him so likewise if thats the case I'm all in. Really think Dennison had a steadying hand in all the offensive picks so thats a real plus too. one of the hardest things in the world is to get inside other peoples heads & figure what they're thinking.

breaking it down it went pretty much as we projected so its not as bad as it seems.

CB in the first was the consensus pick, regardless the prospect.
RB in second was something expected as well (beat them repeatedly for not taking Shonn Greene last year, tradind up or down to take him).
DT in the third was right where they needed to go to get an impact player, regardless if it was Mitchell or not.
TE was a bit of a surprise, but have no problem at all after last season because of injury & importance to offensive scheme.
LB I could have taken one earlier, thought about Sharpton myself but was thinking more of a pure OLB like Darly Washington, so excellent value if he can convert to WILL.
CB in 5th another value pick/slot deemed appropriate to find the skill set/measureables to actually make an NFL roster.
OG/C & return specialist in the 6th rd. dead on as well as who they selected.
WR in 7th yes, great fit best value on the board.
 
badboy said:
People all over the nation are taking sides on whether Tebow will or will not be an NFL QB. None "know" either way but they do discuss their opinions based on info they have access to. That is all I do. Never compared myself to any draftologist or claim to have "the" answer. The purpose of this forum is to express our thoughts and opinions and that is what I do. Like you.

Jackson links supporting either my comment or my draft grade.
"Jackson a reach #20". Draft grade D+ http://www.hofstrachronicle.com/sports/2010-nfl-draft-grades-1.1428615
Jackson a 2nd but could "sneak into 1st"http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=2411

ALso, Agility/Hips: Doesn't have the best agility and looks to be a little stiff in his hips. Change-of-direction ability is lacking. Can be beaten by smaller, shiftier receivers fairly easily. Lack of hip fluidity hurts him when he transitions out of his breaks.

Ball Skills: Hands are below average. But Jackson can do just about everything else asked in this area. He makes a lot of plays on the ball and is good at breaking up a catch. Finished his three-year career with 29 pass breakups and five interceptions.

Instincts/Recognition: Jackson could improve here a good deal. Too often he got burned on double moves to the outside. Because of his lack of great agility, he can be beat on comeback routes and needs to sharpen up his instincts to know when that route may be called. Quickly diagnoses run plays.

Man coverage: Played a lot of bump and run coverage for Alabama. Knows how to properly use his hands to jam at the line. When he can stick with a receiver, he's aggressive and can re-direct routes. Needs to smooth out his backpedal. Jackson's feet will get choppy, which causes him to lose receivers deep.






Pursuit: Lacks great speed, which is detrimental to his deep pursuit. Has good enough short-area burst to close when the ball carrier in nearby.

Size: Has a solid size and build for the position. Arms are a little shorter than ideal. Fame is solidly built and he might not be able to add a lot of bulk.

Speed: Straight-line speed is solid but not spectacular. Has trouble sticking with shiftier receivers. Uses his physical skills to make up for a lack of speed.

Tackling/Run Support: More of a leg tackler, but does show he has the skills to wrap up and drag down. Plays stronger than he probably is. Struggles to shed blockers to help support in run coverage. Tries to be too flashy instead of being sound.

Zone coverage: Although Jackson was used in man coverage a lot, he may be better as a zone cornerback. Jackson's anticipation skills are very good and he reads the opposing quarterback really well. Locates the ball quickly once it's in the air. Uses his physicality nicely in zone to move the receiver to make a play on the ball.

Final word: Jackson benefited greatly from playing in Nick Saban's NFL-style defense. He played a lot of man on his side, but has the skill to handle zone.

Jackson's size isn't all that great, but he is a physical cornerback. That helps him make up for a lack of agility and speed.
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So ... if Jackson goes back to school and Bama repeats with Jackson having another solid year ... where's Jackson drafted . Also is he then considered a better prospect than the best corner of 2010 ?

Did you watch Jackson do his drills ? He was as quick as anyone in turning and such .
 
michaelm said:
Many people believe that Tate is better in our system than Gerhart would've been. I'd say a majority of people probably believe that Tate is the better back in our system.
I don't know how anyone could even remotely think the Texans "looked stupid" by way of the trades they made.

Tate + extra 4th + improving 5th round position by 6 spots > Gerhart all day, every day.
Except for someone who is bitter because the team didn't make the pick that they wanted, which is kinda how you're coming across, IMO.

Personnaly, I would have taken Tate over Gerhart straight up, but the extra 4th, and moving up in the 5th make it an absolute no-brainer in my book.
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A lot of pre-draft comments on Gerhart was that he could not do well in our system and that is just not true; even Smith acknowledged TG and Tate were rated similarly and the draft room was divided.
 
Goldensilence said:
Quickly. Good evaluation/explanation on your take between Wilson and Jackson. Prior to the draft I was more high on Wilson as well, but I can live with Jackson.

On a side note as history has proven itself we don't NEED a big load at RB to punch the ball in the goal line or get the tough yards. NFL is ripe wwith smaller guys who had a nose for the endzone like Emmitt Smith, Ladanian Tomlinson. Marcus Allen, Warrick Dunn, etc.

Some people seemed obsessed or locked onto the idea there needs to be symmetry with your backs ie one smaller burner and one big load guy. I don't think this NEEDS to be the case. We just need two productive backs regardless of size. NFL is also ripe with big body running backs who can't move a pile like Dayne, Wells, Etc.



Fo must really be banking on Smith coming in and making a difference. I have hopes he does as well, just not totally sold on the idea. Petrus would've made an excellent fit here IMO. Faneca has played his entire career at guard far as I know. If we do get Faneca I have hopes we move Smith to RG and Try Caldwell back at Center.

I could live with a line that looks like Brown- Faneca- Caldwell- Smith- Winston.

As for Robert Johnson he would've been available with our 5th rounder instead we took McMannis.
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GS, you & others have pointed out the big back vs small back history which I agree with; but, if you look at Texans history our smaller backs have not scored from the Red Zone. We have not done so well with larger backs either but that may be because of where they were healthwise and careerwise. I am extremely hopeful that Tate will be able to pound for TDs. I am just concerned his strong point will be the quick burst up the middle of the line before we get to Red Zone.
 
badboy said:
GS, you & others have pointed out the big back vs small back history which I agree with; but, if you look at Texans history our smaller backs have not scored from the Red Zone. We have not done so well with larger backs either but that may be because of where they were healthwise and careerwise. I am extremely hopeful that Tate will be able to pound for TDs. I am just concerned his strong point will be the quick burst up the middle of the line before we get to Red Zone.
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I respect a man who stands up for what he thinks even if i don't agree. I'm still trying to see what game tapes you watched that says toby is a better prospect or wilson is a better prospect than jackson and tate. Earlier, you quoted the hofstra news as reasons why this is true, yet there are many that had it the other way around. I'm all for bashing or being critical when a bad move is made. Personally, i don't agree with the over 30 thing they have going, but its their thing.
 
Fox said:
This is the basic sentiment I've adopted over the years. Unless I've been following a specific player closely for a couple of years and know they're a dud, I'm not going to bash the selection until I see them play for our team. I prefer to be optimistic and figure our F.O. has a better idea of what they need than I do. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be discussion, if you've been watching Sherrick McManis get burned up in Evanston then by all means do share.

It's just very difficult, IMO, to call out some of these mid to later round guys as being poor selections based on highlight videos, stat lines, and combine measurables. For example, just looking at the last couple years, I was pretty disappointed when I saw we'd selected Glover Quin last year. I'd never heard his name before and he was smallish, had average speed, and wasn't exactly coming from a football power house. Then he hits the field for us and impresses from mini camps forward. On the other hand you have a guy like Xavier Adibi, a name I'd seen, with impressive numbers, production, and pedigree from Va. Tech. I was a fan of the pick for the above reasons, but he hasn't worked out thus far.

Some of you have obviously done a lot more homework on these guys than I have, but where I'm sitting I prefer to get excited about this draft and about seeing what they're going to do on the field.
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Fox this is a great post as it is an example of how we can see things differently. I bolded your comments on Quin and then refer to Texans roster showing him to be 6' and 203 lbs http://www.houstontexans.com/team/Roster.asp

4.5 speed http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/glover-quin?id=71441
 
rmartin65 said:
Great work badboy. I wish I could rep you for it.

I really cannot find fault with anything you have going there. Moeki I would not take there, but we took a TE anyway, so there is not much of a difference there.

I am not a Jones fan. He is strictly a SS in my opinion, and would not contribute to the team. I dont think Jones would be anything more than Pollard's backup and a special teams player. Then again, maybe that would not be terrible.

You are one of the first people to dislike Smith. Admittedly, he was not the guy either of us had targeted, but from the little I watched and have read about him he sounds good. Athletic and mean, something the Texans could use. I would have liked to see the spot addressed earlier though.

Jeff Owens!! I was hoping for him so much there in the 7th. Strong, yet still quick. Oh well. Dickerson sounds pretty promising, I would be willing to give this one to the front office here.

Ha, Trindon Holliday. We nailed that pick on the 2nd mock draft. I hope he makes me proud this season, I have my reputation at stake now.
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Let me clarify my view on Shelley Smith OG which I should have done in initial thread. I like his skill sets but do not see him making the roster barring injuries above him. He sounds like Studdard but who does he beat out? I would have used that pick elsewhere.

RJones is not much of a FS but better than the guy we drafted to play FS. Oh,snap, we didn't! Yeah I have him as a SS but at least he fill the image of the #1 & #2 safety we went with prior to last season.

Dickerson is interesting and might make team. I just like Gettis better and you probably remember me mentioning him prior to draft. A Baylor guy that I had along with JD Walton C/OG.
 
Corrosion said:
I think most of us had the positions of need right ....

I think the running game and specifically the interior OL has to be evaluated on what a high draft choice in Tate does behind it rather than what Chris Brown and Co did behind them last season (I dont think Slaton was right physically from the get go) before we can really evaluate them.
Many(Most) of us believe that Myers needs to be upgraded along with at least one of the OG spots. By waiting until the 6th round to address the interior OL they give me the idea they were happy with those players performance at least to the extent that they couldnt upgrade them from round 4 on with players who would make an impact or had a chance to take someone's job.
The lack of attention to FS just boggles my mind tho with only Barber , Nolan , Wilson and Pollard on the roster.
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As Reeves did ok last season, any chance we will see Reves and Jackson at the corners and Quin @ FS? Or is Wilson still a better safety than Quin? Hard for me to eval as Quin has not played at safety in pros.
 
badboy said:
Let me clarify my view on Shelley Smith OG which I should have done in initial thread. I like his skill sets but do not see him making the roster barring injuries above him. He sounds like Studdard but who does he beat out? I would have used that pick elsewhere.

RJones is not much of a FS but better than the guy we drafted to play FS. Oh,snap, we didn't! Yeah I have him as a SS but at least he fill the image of the #1 & #2 safety we went with prior to last season.

Dickerson is interesting and might make team. I just like Gettis better and you probably remember me mentioning him prior to draft. A Baylor guy that I had along with JD Walton C/OG.
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Smith gives depth, but he could possibly earn a starting job down the line. The way I look at it, no one we would have picked there would start this season. Picking a guy that fits the Texans system seems ok to me.

Ha ha, good point. But if Wilson stays healthy, and Nolan progresses, that spot should be ok. Not 100% though, so I am not really busting you over this one.
- by the way, I know it is early, but next year's class has 2 FSs I am targeting in the first.

I remember Gettis. Taller than Dickerson, but lighter and not as strong. More polished receiver, but (In my opinion) a lower ceiling. I am actually pretty excited about Dickerson, he should be a fun player to watchin the pre-season.
 
leebigeztx said:
If you want to hear about real foorball and real opinions, get sirius and listen to those guys. As texans chick have said, on most scouts boards, jackson was the 19th rated prospect and #2 corner. He can come in and play and start right now either as a boundry or slot guy. In regards to taylor mays, I like the guy and maybe he will be a good player, but teams will iso him because he has slow hips. The guy has no flexibility to turn in transition and run without losing speed. I'm not saying the texans shouldn't have drafted him, but you're basically committing to single high with him.
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Did not need that type CB. Wanted one that could mirror a WR past 20 yards on a deep pass. We will see if Jackson can do that.
 
WolverineFan said:
Watching the draft on TV was painful as a Texans fan. I didn't even know we traded the second time and I don't recall them ever putting up the terms for that trade. Also, Trey Wingo is an *****. He could not get it right during picks. The analysts would be talking during the pick and he'd announce it for the wrong team, etc. Really wish I had NFL Network.
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I was flipping between ESPN and NFL Total Access but got trade details on 610 radio.
 
beerlover said:
1 20 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
2 58 Ben Tate RB Auburn
3 81 Earl Mitchell DT Arizona
4 102 Darryl Sharpton ILB Miami (Fla.)
4 118 Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin
5 144 Sherrick McManis CB Northwestern
6 187 Shelley Smith OG Colorado State
6 197 Trindon Holliday RS LSU
7 227 Dorin Dickerson TE Pit

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RED = ROTATIONAL
SLATE GRAY = PR/INSURANCE IN CASE OF INJURY
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You think SHarpton will beat out Diles? I like Sharpton but will not go that far at least to I see him on the field.
 
Super Mario said:
Wow understatement of the year. Yeah they just won the SEC Championship on their way to the National championship. I guess they did OK.
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Surprised that you did not catch the sarcasm. It seems the biggest thing Jackson had going was his coach and school record from what people were saying. My point was Wilson had a very similar arguement. Before anybody starts screaming, I would take Saban and Alabama.
 
El Tejano said:
My thoughts in bold. Much props to you for putting who you had selected in that round rather than just saying our draft stinks. Much more to talk about than to reply with "just because they didn't select who you wanted..."
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El Tejano, I actually think Gerhart was the best RB for our team. He consistently stacked up huge yards and avg per carry for his college career. He was not just "my guy" but Heisman runner up so quite a few nation wide liked him. TG filled the move the pile, get the short yardage first down and keep the ofeense off the field and then score from within the ten yards of goal line than any back. I heard and read people talking about how many yards Mathews got and I'd think did they even watch Toby?

I actually will be focusing on our 2nd CB pick the most in TC.
 
El Tejano said:
Honestly, now that you say that, I think that has more to do with it than anything. I don't live in these sates or cities but I know of The Dallas Morning News, Denver Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune etc... because I hear their names on sports channels all the time saying that they are the ones who reported it.

We can't even get coverage on a freakin practice from the Chronicle.
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In Houston the media person who seems to get most sports breaking news is Mark Berman Fox local station.
 
badboy said:
Surprised that you did not catch the sarcasm. It seems the biggest thing Jackson had going was his coach and school record from what people were saying. My point was Wilson had a very similar arguement. Before anybody starts screaming, I would take Saban and Alabama.
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You do realize that the biggest knock on Jackson , going into the combine , was his speed . Do you know what he ran the 40 in ?

That's why he moved up the boards because he answered the scouts main question against him . He was considered the CB with the least amount of risk and he's ready now .
 
badboy said:
As Reeves did ok last season, any chance we will see Reves and Jackson at the corners and Quin @ FS? Or is Wilson still a better safety than Quin? Hard for me to eval as Quin has not played at safety in pros.
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Kubiak and Bush like Quin @ CB. He was the best CB on the team last year.

If Jackson can give them what D-Rob did last season thats a step in the right direction .... But Im expecting more after watching tape of the guy. He's much better in close space with a WR than D-Rob who is better playing with a soft cushion and coming back to the ball/reciever to make a play. We shouldnt see him giving up a 12 yard cushion when its 3rd and 7 ..... Ugh.

The question I have is now that there is a seasons worth of tape on Quin will teams be able to identify and exploit any weakness in his game.

I see Quin and Jackson starting with Reeves as the nickle back. I dont know who the dime CB will end up being - McCain , Molden , Bennett , Parson or if they all make the roster. Seems like a lot of CB's to me. One of them will likely end up on the PS (Probably Parson).
 
Corrosion said:
The question I have is now that there is a seasons worth of tape on Quin will teams be able to identify and exploit any weakness in his game.
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In all likelihood the answer is yes but with Glover I am not overly concerned about it. The guy strikes me as a real grinder and I believe he will put in the work and make the necessary adjustments. I expect his game to improve.
 
beerlover said:
even better, meaning this draft could yield 5 starters?

I must add however that I have mixed feelings about the Graham selection with Owen Daniels remaining unsigned. So that is my problem with the pick not the player himself. I also value Joel Dreessen more, his growth from the time Owen went down to end of season was nothing short of outstanding, displayed intelligence along with ability to play the position in the NFL, consumate team player, excelled even more when not asked to handle the long snapping duties.
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Agreed!
 
ChampionTexan said:
Does the Chronicle have anyone besides McClain dedicated to the Texans/NFL Football? They used to have Meghan (Megan?) Manfull, but it's been ages since I've seen anything besides McClain's coverage and the stuff from the columnists - when they decide to write about football.
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A few years ago they had a guy named Moishe something I think but he lasted on Texans beat only one year.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Here's what's going to happen . Wilson is going to be thrown into the fire ... why ... cause their not going to throw to the other side . When Wilson plays like a rookie getting thrown at , folks will go man I'm glad we drafted Jackson .
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You are saying that Jackson will not get thrown at?:barman: I'll have a drink on your tab.
 
badboy said:
El Tejano, I actually think Gerhart was the best RB for our team. He consistently stacked up huge yards and avg per carry for his college career. He was not just "my guy" but Heisman runner up so quite a few nation wide liked him. TG filled the move the pile, get the short yardage first down and keep the ofeense off the field and then score from within the ten yards of goal line than any back. I heard and read people talking about how many yards Mathews got and I'd think did they even watch Toby?

I actually will be focusing on our 2nd CB pick the most in TC.
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I only saw a couple of games of TG. Yes he got alot of yards but he also got stacked up alot on goal to go chances and 3rd and 1s by guys smaller than him. I thought that he hasn't gotten popped good enough yet to see what he could do after he took a hit and if he would keep playing at that level. Ben Tate showed me those things and i think that is why I like him more but TG was right behind him.

I was there when we drafted thinking "Ben Tate or Toby Gerhart, Ben Tate or Toby Gerhart".
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
You do realize that the biggest knock on Jackson , going into the combine , was his speed . Do you know what he ran the 40 in ?

That's why he moved up the boards because he answered the scouts main question against him . He was considered the CB with the least amount of risk and he's ready now .
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I heard he was rated anywhere from 2nd best to 4th or below. I also heard Wilson was just as ready but they each had different strengths. The one plus for Jackson was actually a knock for me. Yeah he played big time SEC ball under Saban but how many great or even good throwing QBs did they face in the SEC?Wilson faced some top QBs if I remember correctly. I think each will be fine but I don't think Jackson was automatically the best choice or the mosr prepared to play.
 
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rmartin65 said:
Smith gives depth, but he could possibly earn a starting job down the line. The way I look at it, no one we would have picked there would start this season. Picking a guy that fits the Texans system seems ok to me.

Ha ha, good point. But if Wilson stays healthy, and Nolan progresses, that spot should be ok. Not 100% though, so I am not really busting you over this one.
- by the way, I know it is early, but next year's class has 2 FSs I am targeting in the first.

I remember Gettis. Taller than Dickerson, but lighter and not as strong. More polished receiver, but (In my opinion) a lower ceiling. I am actually pretty excited about Dickerson, he should be a fun player to watchin the pre-season.
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I don't think makes the team but I am hopeful you are correct that he might be a starter sometime. Marshall Newhouse was still on the board at this pick.

Eugene Wilson remains healthy--didn't we have a thread or two about another starter showing he could remain on the field? Schaub, I think? Yep, if E.W. or "ew" remains on field for 14 of 16 HOORAY! and then this draft gets a higher grade. I will wait on that for a bit.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
You do realize that the biggest knock on Jackson , going into the combine , was his speed . Do you know what he ran the 40 in ?

That's why he moved up the boards because he answered the scouts main question against him . He was considered the CB with the least amount of risk and he's ready now .
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Exactly but as I've posted in this thread, his 40 was not my hang up but how he recovered from being out of position which happens to most CBs. Also, I see him as a CB moving up to jam the WR or attack the run and getting an A+ if he keeps the WR next to him for 15- 20 yards. That is what Kubiak wanted and what he got. I wanted a different type CB. Never said I was smarter just voicing my opinion.
 
Corrosion said:
He's saying Wilson will be because of who is on the other side of the field .... Revis
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That makes me think that Wilson will have bad numbers this year because he will be targeted so much. I'm sure he's going to become a good corner eventually, I just don't think he will be able to cover Kevin Walter in his rookie season :)
 
badboy said:
We do not know if NE had Jackson over McCourty, just McCourty over Wilson.
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We know for a fact that two separate scouting departments for NFL teams had Wilson rated lower as a corner. Two NFL teams who have a much better idea of what player fits their particular defensive scheme. It's really not even that hard to imagine the Patriots having Jackson rated higher. He was coached by Saban who worked under Bellicheck and BB has certainly shown an affinity for players developed by his former coaches. Not to mention they traded out of 22 after Jackson was gone. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean that he was rated higher on the Patriots board, but the simple fact that two NFL teams passed on Wilson (one of which has a pretty solid drafting record) seems to indicate that perhaps your rankings weren't as accurate as you hoped they would be. Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather see how these guys perform on the field for the Texans before lambasting a pick or the scouting department.
 
texasguy346 said:
We know for a fact that two separate scouting departments for NFL teams had Wilson rated lower as a corner. Two NFL teams who have a much better idea of what player fits their particular defensive scheme. It's really not even that hard to imagine the Patriots having Jackson rated higher. He was coached by Saban who worked under Bellicheck and BB has certainly shown an affinity for players developed by his former coaches. Not to mention they traded out of 22 after Jackson was gone. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean that he was rated higher on the Patriots board, but the simple fact that two NFL teams passed on Wilson (one of which has a pretty solid drafting record) seems to indicate that perhaps your rankings weren't as accurate as you hoped they would be. Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather see how these guys perform on the field for the Texans before lambasting a pick or the scouting department.
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If you are I suppose I am too, cuz I feel exactly the same as you.
 
I liked the Texans draft.

There were a couple of picks that made me go (???), but I'm not an NFL GM.

I'll take a wait and see approach, but I liked a lot of the Texans picks.
 
JB said:
Damn, me too! Maybe it's contagious! :thinking:
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I feel the same way .

The funny thing is , all these internet guys don't even come close to hitting the real thing . So what makes their evaluations right and what's their experience .

At this point in time ... nobody's right ... nobody's wrong .
 
Joe Texan said:
this thread is Worthless
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good to see your feeling your old self, but you know when someone has something to get off their chest this is as good of constructive place to come as any. your one of our best fans its important for you to shower us with your insight as well :shower:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I feel the same way .

The funny thing is , all these internet guys don't even come close to hitting the real thing . So what makes their evaluations right and what's their experience .

At this point in time ... nobody's right ... nobody's wrong .
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you impressed me with your draft insight, the draft is emotional. I felt sorry for my friends who are big Toby Gerhart fans, imagine its your guy & he's there for the picking, then the Texans move out (excellent move IMO) I just never had the sense (even though they say they where split on taking Toby) that he was bound to be a Texan. Usually my guy never makes it to the Texans pick, this year it was Earl Thomas, lets just hope that Kareem has similar results to Brian Cushing & that Ben Tate becomes the stud Steve Slaton was as rookies? if that happens we'll be in good shape :)
 
Joe Texan said:
:worthless:
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No...
It is NOT.
This is a rite of Spring!
Arguing about who we did or didn't draft is as much a part of football as tailgating or wearing your team's jersey or laughing at Mel Kiper's hair.
it's what we do.
leave us alone.
 
beerlover said:
you impressed me with your draft insight, the draft is emotional. I felt sorry for my friends who are big Toby Gerhart fans, imagine its your guy & he's there for the picking, then the Texans move out (excellent move IMO) I just never had the sense (even though they say they where split on taking Toby) that he was bound to be a Texan. Usually my guy never makes it to the Texans pick, this year it was Earl Thomas, lets just hope that Kareem has similar results to Brian Cushing & that Ben Tate becomes the stud Steve Slaton was as rookies? if that happens we'll be in good shape :)
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We're just fans looking for something to do . I'm talking about the guys who write or have their own website . Those guys give out a bunch of information .

I heard someone quoting Roger Godell about 600 million in signing bonuses paid out to rookies . I think they said half wouldn't make through the term of their contract . That 300 million gone with the wind .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I feel the same way .

The funny thing is , all these internet guys don't even come close to hitting the real thing . So what makes their evaluations right and what's their experience .

At this point in time ... nobody's right ... nobody's wrong .
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See! I told ya it's contagious!
 
ObsiWan said:
No...
It is NOT.
This is a rite of Spring!
Arguing about who we did or didn't draft is as much a part of football as tailgating or wearing your team's jersey or laughing at Mel Kiper's hair.
it's what we do.
leave us alone.
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I'm right, you're wrong. LOL
 
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