A reminder of why Kris Brown deserves our gratitude

[GuerillaBlack]

If fans ran teams, they would have 16 starting line-ups and a decade of 2-14 seasons. Thank goodness people with the football smarts don't have the same knee-jerk philosophy.

Knee-jerk philosophy? Let's see, I'll give you two examples: John Carney missed field goals, Sean Payton cuts him. Nick Folk misses field goals (the last straw was the New Orleans game), Jerry Jones cuts him. Do those teams play this weekend? Yes. Do the Texans? No. Why? We couldn't make field goals. We couldn't make one to tie in Indy. I'll give him a pass on that one. We couldn't make one to tie at home on MNF. Hell, it could have been the one to win if he had made on earlier in the game. And it just continued. This last New England game was especially bad. The dude just sucks.

This is really the first time I've seen anybody want to keep a kicker after he misses so many field goals because he is a good guy.

I'm glad fans aren't running teams either, because if so, we'd probably still be trotting out David Carr.

 

[Runner]

If fans ran teams, they would have 16 starting line-ups and a decade of 2-14 seasons. Thank goodness people with the football smarts don't have the same knee-jerk philosophy.

I think we need to add "knee-jerk" to the Texans Talk dictionary. The meaning as used on this board is "any action taken before the poster using the word deems the action necessary, even if said action is done at a snail's pace."

A move to cut Kris Brown or add an additional kicker before the end of last season is anything but knee-jerk with its normal definition of "reflexive action done without thinking".

In NFL terms, this decision has been glacial. I'm still astounded he was the kicker for the Texans against the Patriots, in a game they HAD to win to have a chance to make the playoffs. With his two missed field goals and missed extra point, I think it is safe to say the Texans won in spite of the decision to keep him.

 

[Texecutioner]

If fans ran teams, they would have 16 starting line-ups and a decade of 2-14 seasons. Thank goodness people with the football smarts don't have the same knee-jerk philosophy.

Yes, because if fans were running the team with this thought process that you seem to have Capers would still be here along with Carr because getting rid of them would have been a "knee jerk" reaction and Casserly would still be our GM along with Amaan Green helping out Chris Brown at RB.

Kickers are a dime a dozen for the most part. Brown was damn good for a while, and I'll credit that to him, but it became painfully obvious that we needed at least one more K on this roster. Ignoring that, hurt the team and the franchise period. There is no rebuttal to argue that we didn't need another kicker on our team for the 2nd half of the season after Brown choked so many opportunities they way he did.

 

[Porky]

I don't get why some people have such a hangup about calling a duck a duck. KB kicks like a duck, shits like a duck and when he tries to blame himself like Kubiak does all I hear is "Quack Quack QUUuuaaaack!!!"

Did Kris Brown put on an atrocious display of kicking this past season?
Quack
Did he miss every single field goal in every single pressure situation?
Quack
Did these misses likely keep the Texans from a better record than 9-7?
Quack
Would 1 or 3 more win(s) have us in the playoffs?
Quack
So it's safe to assume KB played a large role in blocking the team from a post season berth?
Quack but here's the deal. On one hand you see the team and it's failures and say, "Oh it's not just KB's fault, the team shouldn't put him in that position." On the other hand you have to look at game deciding kicks in a vaccuum. Nothing else matters when they start lining up for the kick, all that matters is that the guy who is paid solely and exclusively on his ability to make kicks does his job. Kickers are over praised/over criticized just like QBs are because their job is more decisive than the rest of the team but he missed all the big kicks. All of them. There isn't middle ground here and if there was KB couldn't kick a ball through it.

Oh and he missed an extra point. QUACK. That's a guy who is really, really, I mean truly struggling with his confidence. People on quack don't have the jitters that bad. But that's the guy you just want to thank because of all the kicks he made when they were not making any playoff noise?

Awesome and funny post and totally true. I'd rep you if I could.

I'm in the dump him now crowd. The guy was terrible and the more clutch the situation and the further into the season where each play and kick was magnified - the worse he got. That's the opposite of ideal. That should be us this Sunday instead of the Jets and it would have been if it wasn't for Kris Brown. Inexcusable and unfogivable. He's done.

I like Kris Brown the person. He is awesome, and by all account a great family man and has a great charity. But, right now I HATE Kris Brown the football player. Let him go somewhere else or retire and go on to the next part of his life.

 

[Nawzer]

The problem with bringing him back is that we won't really know if he's still good or bad until a regular season game. That means that he can still cost us games next year before we truly realize he's done. And I don't think the Texans coaches will take that risk unless they are 100% confident that Kris Brown won't cost us games but win us games like he did in the past.

 

[houstonspartan]

The problem with bringing him back is that we won't really know if he's still good or bad until a regular season game. That means that he can still cost us games next year before we truly realize he's done. And I don't think the Texans coaches will take that risk unless they are 100% confident that Kris Brown won't cost us games but win us games like he did in the past.

That's why I say flat out release him. If we bring in competition, I really believe it'll be a sham. Kris will get the job, because the coaches like him so much. Let's just start all over.

 

[TimeKiller]

Speaking of getting a few legs in for camp, Matt Turk is 64. Can we bring in a punter too?

 

[DexmanC]

Speaking of getting a few legs in for camp, Matt Turk is 64. Can we bring in a punter too?

Turk took Chad Stanley's job in year 2 of Kubiak. What did Stanley
do to piss Kubiak off?

 

[TD]

This is really the first time I've seen anybody want to keep a kicker after he misses so many field goals because he is a good guy.

Don't know who you're talking about cuz its not me. I want to evaluate and make sure we have a better option first that's all. I also don't like the way the same people who would have gladly given Kris a free hand job the last couple of years are now now bad-mouthing his entire career. Its classless......plain and simple. And typical.

 

[houstonspartan]

Don't know who you're talking about cuz its not me. I want to evaluate and make sure we have a better option first that's all. I also don't like the way the same people who would have gladly given Kris a free hand job the last couple of years are now now bad-mouthing his entire career. Its classless......plain and simple. And typical.

Whatever you're smoking, you need to stop.


Throughout this thread, people have said, time and time again, that Kris is a good guy, and that he had some great years for us, but we need to move on. No one is bad mouthing his entire career.

I was at the Miami game a few years ago when he hit three 50 plus yarders. It was amazing, and I praised him.

However, that was a long time ago. I respect Kris's achievements, but it's time he moved on. Plus, I think a new team could possibly do him some good.

Quite honestly, your "let's wait to see if we have a better option first" is a losers mentality. You know perfectly well that it's not THAT hard to find a good kicker.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Don't know who you're talking about cuz its not me. I want to evaluate and make sure we have a better option first that's all. I also don't like the way the same people who would have gladly given Kris a free hand job the last couple of years are now now bad-mouthing his entire career.

I don't think people are bad mouthing his career. They are basically explaining the reality of it.....he isn't a once in a lifetime kicker. He is an average NFL kicker who has had a few good years. It isn't like we are discussing if DeMeco is over the hill 6 years from now. You can find a Kris Brown type kicker with a phone call to some free agents out there. No matter how he does in camp, this season may make it hard for him come game time next season.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Whatever you're smoking, you need to stop.


Throughout this thread, people have said, time and time again, that Kris is a good guy, and that he had some great years for us, but we need to move on. No one is bad mouthing his entire career.

I was at the Miami game a few years ago when he hit three 50 plus yarders. It was amazing, and I praised him.

However, that was a long time ago. I respect Kris's achievements, but it's time he moved on. Plus, I think a new team could possibly do him some good.

Quite honestly, your "let's wait to see if we have a better option first" is a losers mentality. You know perfectly well that it's not THAT hard to find a good kicker.

I don't think people are bad mouthing his career. They are basically explaining the reality of it.....he isn't a once in a lifetime kicker. He is an average NFL kicker who has had a few good years. It isn't like we are discussing if DeMeco is over the hill 6 years from now. You can find a Kris Brown type kicker with a phone call to some free agents out there. No matter how he does in camp, this season may make it hard for him come game time next season.

Yep.

 

[Thorn]

The discussions around Kris Brown remind me of the discussions about Kubiak. I like them both, they've both done good things for the Texans, but it's time to move on. Kubiak is back next year, so that discussion is over with, but Brown will likely not be kicking for us next year.

 

[TD]

I don't think people are bad mouthing his career. They are basically explaining the reality of it.....he isn't a once in a lifetime kicker. He is an average NFL kicker who has had a few good years. It isn't like we are discussing if DeMeco is over the hill 6 years from now. You can find a Kris Brown type kicker with a phone call to some free agents out there. No matter how he does in camp, this season may make it hard for him come game time next season.

Well...when you say this year is typical of his career, I consider that bad mouthing as it is flat untrue.

As to the rest....you're right. Although, I suspect it'll be harder on the fans than anyone else if he returns. I don't know Brown's mental toughness...clearly he let himself get rattled this year, but its not like he pulled an Ian Howfield.

 

[HuttoKarl]

Well...when you say this year is typical of his career, I consider that bad mouthing as it is flat untrue.

As to the rest....you're right. Although, I suspect it'll be harder on the fans than anyone else if he returns. I don't know Brown's mental toughness...clearly he let himself get rattled this year, but its not like he pulled an Ian Howfield.

He's been around the low to mid 70's in FG% except for three seasons. He missed 11 last year...that's horrible. You act like he's your brother the way you're sticking up for him despite his lack of kicking ability. If he is, tell him to stop shanking kicks.

 

[Double Barrel]

Don't know who you're talking about cuz its not me. I want to evaluate and make sure we have a better option first that's all. I also don't like the way the same people who would have gladly given Kris a free hand job the last couple of years are now now bad-mouthing his entire career. Its classless......plain and simple. And typical.

Did you really just call someone else classless after making a gay hand job blast?

 

[TD]

Did you really just call someone else classless after making a gay hand job blast?

How do you know I was talking about men? Its a smart ass way of saying the people that loved him are throwing him under the bus. Put your your big boy pants on.

 

[No More 8-8's]

Did you really just call someone else classless after making a gay hand job blast?

You should never combine the words "Blast" and "Gay Hand Job" together in a sentence.

 

[TD]

He's been around the low to mid 70's in FG% except for three seasons. He missed 11 last year...that's horrible. You act like he's your brother the way you're sticking up for him despite his lack of kicking ability. If he is, tell him to stop shanking kicks.

See....that's a flat lie. He has been above 80% FIVE OF HIS ELEVEN SEASONS.

If being fair (and truthful) about somebody is sticking up for them, then I stick up for EVERYONE.

 

[HuttoKarl]

See....that's a flat lie. He has been above 80% FIVE OF HIS ELEVEN SEASONS.

If being fair (and truthful) about somebody is sticking up for them, then I stick up for EVERYONE.

Two of them for the Steelers.

As a Texan, he's been average, at best, and this past season he was horrendous. 11 FG's missed. Two in a game we lost by three. If you can't tie a game and send it to overtime with a FG, then you just lost the game for your team.

KB wasn't our only problem, but to act like we owe him anything is insane.

 

[eriadoc]

I also don't like the way the same people who would have gladly given Kris a free hand job the last couple of years are now now bad-mouthing his entire career. Its classless......plain and simple. And typical.

I know you aren't referring to me, but just for a bit of historical reference, here's a post (followed by more in the same thread) I made back in '06.

 

[Mr teX]

Kris Brown deserves nothing but a knap sack & a kick in the *&^ on the way out....

 

[BIG TORO]

Why are we on page 4 of Kris brown, this is redicoulous! he was a decent kicker a point in his career and he sucks now. thats all to it!

 

[HoustonFrog]

Well...when you say this year is typical of his career, I consider that bad mouthing as it is flat untrue.

As to the rest....you're right. Although, I suspect it'll be harder on the fans than anyone else if he returns. I don't know Brown's mental toughness...clearly he let himself get rattled this year, but its not like he pulled an Ian Howfield.

Hey "Hulk" Brown, I didn't say it was "typical." I said this season is closer to the truth for his career campared to 3 good ones here. When the majority of your career on a team is average to below average and there are 3 good years, then my statement makes sense. Again, I'm not sure why you are so excited about a career average kicker when there are FA like Neil Rackers, Stephen Gostkowski, Shayne Graham, Dan Carpenter, Jay Feely, New York Jets (34), Garrett Hartley, New Orleans Saints (24), Sebastian Janikowski, Oakland Raiders (32), Olindo Mare, Seattle Seahawks (37), Matt Prater, Denver Broncos (26) – Restricted FA, Jeff Reed, Pittsburgh Steelers (31), Shaun Suisham, Cowboys (28) Heck, as I stated earlier, fixing Nick Folk is better than Brown and he is on his couch.

Why are we on page 4 of Kris brown, this is redicoulous! he was a decent kicker a point in his career and he sucks now. thats all to it!

This

 

[houstonspartan]

I know you aren't referring to me, but just for a bit of historical reference, here's a post (followed by more in the same thread) I made back in '06.

Wow. I don't know what to say.

 

[scourge]

How do you know I was talking about men? Its a smart ass way of saying the people that loved him are throwing him under the bus. Put your your big boy pants on.

Probably because the people you are referring to are far more likely to be guys than gals. How many girls you think post here, and have this stance, compared to men? The percentage of men for this specific comment you made is highly likely to be far better than Kris Brown's % has ever been.

And while we are on Kris Brown's %, here is something to think about. Lets take Kris' att/made for each season and calculate how many more fg's he would've had to make to hit 80%. If you take that and look at those teams faced each of those seasons and take games we lost by 3 or less where he missed a fg...
2002 we would've taken Jax to OT and potentially been 5-11
2004 same with GB and possibly 8-8
2005 same to possibly be 3-13
2006 no difference
2009 OT with Indy and win against Ten, to potentially be 10-6 minimum or 11-5 at best.

while 02, and 05 wouldn't have really made a difference, it would've been nice to hit 8-8 that early on, and we all know how much that woulda meant to '09.

 

[TD]

I know you aren't referring to me, but just for a bit of historical reference, here's a post (followed by more in the same thread) I made back in '06.

Yep....and back then you had a VERY good argument. Stangely though, you were silent about him during 07-08 except to say he belonged in the Pro Bowl.

The funny thing here is that I am saying that he sucked this year and that he should have to fight for job next year, but because I don't want to throw him on (under) a bus on I-45 today, I'm some huge fan who thinks he walks on water. Geez people get a grip and READ.

I need to see how many people here were screaming to dump Schaub the last year or two...I bet it would make pretty interesting reading today.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Man! I've got to take a dump

 

[houstonspartan]

Yep....and back then you had a VERY good argument. Stangely though, you were silent about him during 07-08 except to say he belonged in the Pro Bowl.

The funny thing here is that I am saying that he sucked this year and that he should have to fight for job next year, but because I don't want to throw him on a bus up I-45 today, I'm some huge fan who thinks he walks on water. Geez people get a grip and READ.

I need to see how many people here were screaming to dump Schaub the last year or two...I bet it would make pretty interesting reading.

And you seem to think that praising him a few years ago is the equavalent of "giving a hand job."

YOU need to get a grip.

You're in "aw shucks, give the guy a chance mode." The Texans have done that WAAAAAY too much in their short history. Uh uh. In the case of Kris Brown, we've seen all we've needed to see.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Yep....and back then you had a VERY good argument. Stangely though, you were silent about him during 07-08 except to say he belonged in the Pro Bowl.

The funny thing here is that I am saying that he sucked this year and that he should have to fight for job next year, but because I don't want to throw him on (under) a bus on I-45 today, I'm some huge fan who thinks he walks on water. Geez people get a grip and READ.

I need to see how many people here were screaming to dump Schaub the last year or two...I bet it would make pretty interesting reading today.

I wanted Carr gone and defended Schaub from Day 1. Check it.

People are ripping you because you really are defensive about what some of us wrote earlier...he is an average kicker and average kicker's are a dime a dozen. It is a truth in the NFL. It's pretty simple. The minute people stop rewarding average around the team, the better it will get. Do you think the players love Kris because of his personality and ignore the misses?No, because it is his only job.

 

[Goldensilence]

Yep....and back then you had a VERY good argument. Stangely though, you were silent about him during 07-08 except to say he belonged in the Pro Bowl.

The funny thing here is that I am saying that he sucked this year and that he should have to fight for job next year, but because I don't want to throw him on (under) a bus on I-45 today, I'm some huge fan who thinks he walks on water. Geez people get a grip and READ.

I need to see how many people here were screaming to dump Schaub the last year or two...I bet it would make pretty interesting reading today.

To be fair the argument against Matt Schaub included another person at the position, who despite whatever I thought,some people thought he could be a better long term answer. I don't think it was until the fateful rosenchopter incident did the answer become glaringly clear to even those who were willing to look past Sage Rosenfels short comings.

I think the point of the past freaking 4 pages is pretty simple. Kris Bown = average kicker with a year or two highlight.

I thought it was pretty sad that even a team that ended up 4-14 with a lame duck headcoach in Jim Zorn could make the call on cutting a kicker that cost them a win.

 

[TD]

Probably because the people you are referring to are far more likely to be guys than gals. How many girls you think post here, and have this stance, compared to men? The percentage of men for this specific comment you made is highly likely to be far better than Kris Brown's % has ever been.

And while we are on Kris Brown's %, here is something to think about. Lets take Kris' att/made for each season and calculate how many more fg's he would've had to make to hit 80%. If you take that and look at those teams faced each of those seasons and take games we lost by 3 or less where he missed a fg...
2002 we would've taken Jax to OT and potentially been 5-11
2004 same with GB and possibly 8-8
2005 same to possibly be 3-13
2006 no difference
2009 OT with Indy and win against Ten, to potentially be 10-6 minimum or 11-5 at best.

while 02, and 05 wouldn't have really made a difference, it would've been nice to hit 8-8 that early on, and we all know how much that woulda meant to '09.

Not much there....I do think you have to look at games won by three or less where he didn't have a miss (especially if there were any long ones) to make that fair. I seem to remember this being looked at in pretty good detail a few years ago, but I don't remember the results. I do know he was 100% in 2007-2008 when the game was tied, so.........

 

[scourge]

My point wasn't whether or not he was occasionally clutch, it was that to make it to that magical 80% to be on the low end of average, those particular key misses not only helped keep him below 80%(below 71% in 3 of those seasons) but also potentially cost us specific games.

 

[eriadoc]

Yep....and back then you had a VERY good argument. Stangely though, you were silent about him during 07-08 except to say he belonged in the Pro Bowl.

Two things:

1.) I've made it clear in a few different threads that I like Kris Brown. I like him as a person, and I don't wish bad things upon him. When he straightened his act up in '07 and '08 (both very good years, not just good), then I figured OK, cool, he's figured it out.

2.) After a two year reprieve, he's back to what he really has been for most of his career.

The numbers are what they are. Two good years and one average year out of the past nine don't make him a good kicker. If I hadn't noticed it back then, perhaps I'd be as surprised as y'all are about how bad a kicker he's been. Instead, those numbers stuck with me, and I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop (and hoping it didn't).

 

[Double Barrel]

How do you know I was talking about men? Its a smart ass way of saying the people that loved him are throwing him under the bus. Put your your big boy pants on.

Considering 99% of this forum is men, and considering all of the anti-Brown posters in this thread are men, it's pretty safe to make the connection. I understand why you said it, but still, you said it. Out of all the ways that you could have created a metaphor or allegorical connection, you went for this example. Should I somehow infer that your defense of Brown has a homosexual undertone? Of course not. Which is why I found it a bit weird that you went there.

I have absolutely no idea what "put your big boy pants on" has do do with gay sex references, but I guess it works in your mind.

You should never combine the words "Blast" and "Gay Hand Job" together in a sentence.

lol! yeah, I never made the connection, but...ummm...yeah.

 

[Texan_Bill]

 

[Norg]

Iam on the Lets FIre Kris brown and get some new young stud in here Boat screw compention so yeahhh

 

[TD]

Considering 99% of this forum is men, and considering all of the anti-Brown posters in this thread are men, it's pretty safe to make the connection. I understand why you said it, but still, you said it. Out of all the ways that you could have created a metaphor or allegorical connection, you went for this example. Should I somehow infer that your defense of Brown has a homosexual undertone? Of course not. Which is why I found it a bit weird that you went there.

Its just a TDism I use relatively often. Man-crush is overused and boring.

I have absolutely no idea what "put your big boy pants on" has do do with gay sex references, but I guess it works in your mind.

Just another of my isms that I use when somebody seems offended by something silly. Perhaps...a simple "grow up" would be better.

 

[scourge]

Considering 99% of this forum is men, and considering all of the anti-Brown posters in this thread are men, it's pretty safe to make the connection.

lol, that's exactly what I said earlier...

Probably because the people you are referring to are far more likely to be guys than gals. How many girls you think post here, and have this stance, compared to men? The percentage of men for this specific comment you made is highly likely to be far better than Kris Brown's % has ever been.

 

[barrett]

gay hand job blast?

How do you know I was talking about men? Put your your big boy pants on.

99% of this forum is men

put your big boy pants on

FUN WITH THE QUOTE FUNCTION AND THE DELETE KEY! God I love our Texans Talk friends!

 

[TexanBacker93]

Kris just needs to earn his job back next year.
Come into camp, against legit competition, and show the team and fans that he can regain the form and consistency he had when he was kicking 50+ yarders with regularity. If he gets his swagger back he stays. If he doesn't, "so long and thanks for all the kicks".
...well, at least all the game winners.

The problem with this scenario is with the NFL and the cheap owners limiting the training camp rosters, can a team really afford to have 2 kickers on it's roster? You need extra at all the contact positions so these guys can stay fresh and keep from getting a starter injured. You can look at them during OTAs and minicamps when you aren't limited, but you need to see what they can do during game situations.

I imagine Brown was hitting everything during pregames and practices. I don't even know if preseason will determine if he's over the yips. It's not like the make believe games matter.

 

[Grams]

From the 1% that is NOT male.

I also think that it is time for Kris Brown to go.

I appreciate what he has done for us in the past, but the misses he made this year cost us games.

While a miss on a +50 yarder is not something I would hold against a kicker, I think most of the "pressure" misses were well inside the 50 and should have been made.

He cost us at least 1 win if not 2 and 1 win would have put up in the playoffs.

Say thanks for the memories and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[infantrycak]

While a miss on a +50 yarder is not something I would hold against a kicker, I think most of the "pressure" misses were well inside the 50 and should have been made.

He cost us at least 1 win if not 2 and 1 win would have put up in the playoffs.

Say thanks for the memories and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I don't mind if they bring him to TC but he was missing must hit kicks this year.

20-29 yds - 2 misses
30-39 yds - 3 misses
40-49 yds - 4 misses on just 6 attempts.
50-59 yds - 2 misses

I'll give him the two over 50 yards although he should have hit at least one of those, but 33% in the 40's and missing inside 30 are inexcusable.

 

[TD]

Just on a lark, I looked at Morten Andersen's first 10 years in the league. Anyone care to guess who was better between him and Brown? In fact, if not for a really good last few years, their career averages would be almost identical. (Brown would be slightly better)

Kicking is a weird science.

For the record....I am NOT saying Brown is Andersen....I am just pointing out that his sucky 2009 does not spell the end. Anderson was mid to low 70% 3 of 6 years before finishing his career with 7 straight at over 80%. Just something to think about.

 

[TD]

I'll give him the two over 50 yards although he should have hit at least one of those, but 33% in the 40's and missing inside 30 are inexcusable.

As is the PAT....Let's face it, he LOST IT in a Chuck Knoblach kind of way. I don't think anyone would excuse or defend the swoon. The only question is it an aberration or permanent mental block. I find it hard to believe its a physical problem.

 

[HuttoKarl]

TD...if anything, I admire your loyalty.

Personally...I wanted Crosby (a powerful legged kicker from central Texas) after Brown's last horrible season. I would like to see us get some GOOD competition for Brown. I don't think we'll have a kicker change because Kubiak is too wishy-washy about ditching duds, but a guy can hope. If we have to sit through another season of holding our breath for every FG attempt and some PAT's as well, I hope Kris proves me wrong...but I won't bet the ranch on it.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Just on a lark, I looked at Morten Andersen's first 10 years in the league. Anyone care to guess who was better between him and Brown? In fact, if not for a really good last few years, their career averages would be almost identical. (Brown would be slightly better)

Kicking is a weird science.

For the record....I am NOT saying Brown is Andersen....I am just pointing out that his sucky 2009 does not spell the end. Anderson was mid to low 70% 3 of 6 years before finishing his career with 7 straight at over 80%. Just something to think about.

Morten Anderson is considered by some to be one of the top kickers of all time. Over 24 years his percentage was 79.7%. He only missed 10 extra points in all that time. I think he is the career scoring leader on 3 teams. I give him more credit because he started in 1982 when there was alot less indoor play. He also had 103 game winning FGs. He has 40 FGs of 50 or more. Again, I realize you aren't saying Brown is Anderson but this is kind of like the argument that Kubiak can be Landry.

 

[TD]

TD...if anything, I admire your loyalty

Its not loyalty...its fear that the Texans make the wrong decision without looking at it fully; some team picks him up; and he returns to 2007-2008 form. The only solace I have is that I know it won't be the Titans which would KILL me.

Morten Anderson is considered by some to be one of the top kickers of all time. Over 24 years his percentage was 79.7%. He only missed 10 extra points in all that time. I think he is the career scoring leader on 3 teams. I give him more credit because he started in 1982 when there was alot less indoor play. He also had 103 game winning FGs. He has 40 FGs of 50 or more. Again, I realize you aren't saying Brown is Anderson but this is kind of like the argument that Kubiak can be Landry.

Brown kicked in Pittsburgh and Andersen kicked in New Orleans....sorry but advantage Brown. Nice try though.

All the rest of the accolades would NEVER have happened if Andersen's career had ended as the mediocre kicker he was his first 10 years. So why throw Brown away today instead of after TC next year? There is ZERO logic in it.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Its not loyalty...its fear that the Texans make the wrong decision without looking at it fully; some team picks him up; and he returns to 2007-2008 form. The only solace I have is that I know it won't be the Titans which would KILL me.

Stop acting like Kris Brown is some stud kicker. He is a VERY replaceable below average kicker.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Its not loyalty...its fear that the Texans make the wrong decision without looking at it fully; some team picks him up; and he returns to 2007-2008 form. The only solace I have is that I know it won't be the Titans which would KILL me.




Brown kicked in Pittsburgh and Andersen kicked in New Orleans....sorry but advantage Brown. Nice try though.

All the rest of the accolades would NEVER have happened if Andersen's career had ended as the mediocre kicker he was his first 10 years. So why throw Brown away today instead of after TC next year? There is ZERO logic in it.

I can't say anymore. Your first paragraph is a total loser mentality and is a ridiculous way to think. As I said the Cowboys cut a 3 year guy who was 89% his first 2 years because he was losing games. Your statement has ZERO logic. Just like any sport, changes in scenery can help. Suisam misses important kicks in 2 games and was gone even though he only missed 3 kicks all year. The Cowboys sign him and he hasn't missed. If he misses in the playoffs it will be no different than Folk who already missed 10 kicks and almost single handedly blew the NO game and a chance at the playoffs.

Brown has no advantage over Anderson. Your way of thinking can apply to anyone. Tiki Barber fumbled alot to start his career and then ended his career strong therefore Slaton is closer to Tiki Barber than Kevin Faulk. It is a fantasy world. Anderson was named to 6 Pro Bowls his first 10 years. He was considered "Mr. Automatic." 14 of 24 years in the 80%. Only 1 full season in 24 years under 70% and that was 69%. You really are barking up the wrong tree.