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Heisman

beerlover

beerlover

Hall of Fame
Any thoughts?

Who will win it?

Who should win it?

The announcement of invites headed to NY is today, found a nice breakdown here http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2009/12/06/toby-gerhart-and-the-heisman-what-now/ but it sure seems wide open to me. From a pro-prospect angle Suh is ranked #1 but since when did that matter? That last pass from Colt with time running out blew it for him, IMO, Tebow has been great for the College game but really looks like he's topped out, Bradford out with shoulder, leaving three viable RB's Ingram, Spiller & Gerhart.
 
I imagine Ingram edges McCoy. Not only did Colt have a subpar statistical game Saturday, I think there's a bit of anti-Texas sentiment right now that will influence voters to punish McCoy for Texas making the Championship game.

Too bad...if either the dropped sure long touchdown reception or the fumble on what appeared to be a game clinching drive had not happened, I think Colt still wins.
 
TD said:
I imagine Ingram edges McCoy. Not only did Colt have a subpar statistical game Saturday, I think there's a bit of anti-Texas sentiment right now that will influence voters to punish McCoy for Texas making the Championship game.

Too bad...if either the dropped sure long touchdown reception or the fumble on what appeared to be a game clinching drive had not happened, I think Colt still wins.
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My vote exactly...:clown:
 
Should be Ndamukong Suh, but it won't be. I doubt he is even invited.

After Suh, Toby Gerhart. I doubt he wins either.

After Gerhart, Ingram.
 
Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
 
MojoMan said:
Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
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There is a sub forum for political talk. Go argue over there about that.
 
I think Suh, Gerhart, Ingram and McCoy will get the invite.

I hope Suh wins, but I think Gerhart or McCoy will get it.

Ingram being a sophmore hurts his case IMO.
 
MojoMan said:
Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
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thanks for explaining the joke, it was really difficult to understand with your thorough analysis!
 
Who the hell cares?

The last Heisman winner to do anything worthy of lasting note in the NFL was Barry Sanders.

Like a Grammy, People's Choice Award, or NFL All Pro pick (or the Nobel Prize frankly), the Heisman means next to nothing.

You can tell who is going to be great all on your own. There's no reason to let Wendy's and ESPN make up your mind for you.

The problem with Suh btw is that he wasn't pimped from the start. Heismans are handed out for promotional efforts as much as individual talent these days. Showtime and I got into it wrt UT buying refs yesterday, but here is an area that I'm sure he and I can completely agree on. Big Schools buy the Heisman. Nebraska probably has the resources to pimp the hell out of a defender and get his face plastered on TV all year, but they didn't. The real losers in Heisman discussions are players for schools without the PR departments capable of getting their name out there. These players are relegated to regional obscurity as only alumni and reporter from their area know what they are witnessing.
 
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ask yourself one question: who, of all the names being mentioned, would you put on ANY team in the country, and would still look like the most dominant player in the country?

that's obviously Ndamukong Suh. he's had one of the best years ever for a defensive player, he performed at his absolute best in the biggest game he's ever played in against the best team he's faced, with one of the best o-lines in the country, despite being double-teamed all game.

he's a DT who leads his team in tackles. he's in the top 10 in the country in passes defended, and no other non-defensive back is even in the top 100. there's no doubt he's the best player in the country, and even people who won't vote for him will probably agree. but, he's not on a team that's going to the BCS, and he's not an offensive flashy player, so he won't win it.

however, he might just make it to New York. and hopefully his incredible play and glaring omission from the award will shine a light on the voting process and media and fan pressure will force voters to really start looking at defensive players in the future. people like to point to Charles Woodson as being a defensive player, but to the voters, he was more of an offensive and special teams threat on the #1 team in the country.

after Suh, CJ Spiller is probably the second best player in the country. like Suh, he had an amazing year, and stepped up when it absolutely mattered the most. he was a force in the ACC Championship.

Ingram and Gerhart are neck and neck for me, with Eric Berry close behind those guys. so, my final list is:

1. Ndamukong Suh
2. CJ Spiller
3. Mark Ingram
4. Toby Gerhart
5. Eric Berry
 
Suh
Gerhart
Ingram

Suh wont win because he plays defense.
Gerhart wont win because nobody cares about Stanford
Ingram will win because he plays in the SEC
 
beerlover said:
Is this strickly a media award?

some love for the defensive guys - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-InrEULc4
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Sort of. The media plays a huge part in it.

But I think it is about major schools wanting to stay relevant. If you can't win a NC, than getting a Heisman Winner is going to at least ensure that you continue getting top level talent. So you pour millions into promotional campaigns for a player. You mail gifts to every member of the media and every Heisman voter. Big schools have made it impossible for other players to get mentioned. They are blocking them out, same as in the BCS.
 
Dan B. said:
The Heisman is a popularity contest. It doesn't say a damn thing about an individual player's talent. Their general failure in the NFL is prima facie evidence of this.
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i'm not arguing the first point. but the second point has nothing to do with it. being the best player in college football doesn't necessarily mean his abilities will translate to the NFL.
 
kastofsna said:
i'm not arguing the first point. but the second point has nothing to do with it. being the best player in college football doesn't necessarily mean his abilities will translate to the NFL.
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I think that is a result of the Heisman not measuring who is truly the best player than it is a result of the most talented players in college not having the skill to succeed at the next level. They are not properly evaluating who is the best.
 
what i'm saying is, the "most outstanding player" in the country, regardless of whether they win the Heisman or not, isn't necessarily going to do well in the NFL. what you're insinuating is the Heisman winner SHOULD be a great NFL player. the award isn't supposed to be rewarded to the player with the most pro potential.
 
kastofsna said:
what i'm saying is, the "most outstanding player" in the country, regardless of whether they win the Heisman or not, isn't necessarily going to do well in the NFL. what you're insinuating is the Heisman winner SHOULD be a great NFL player. the award isn't supposed to be rewarded to the player with the most pro potential.
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I know what you're saying. I don't agree with that. I do think that the most outstanding football player in college should go on to be an outstanding NFL athlete barring injury. They may not win as much, but as you pointed out individual talent is not measured by team wins. They may not be in a proper system to maximize their skills, but I don't believe that the Heisman should reward a system either.

I agree that the Heisman should not be about measuring pro potential. I don't think it is. But if the Heisman actually went to the most talented player it would be a much more accurate gauge of how that player fared afterwards. As is it's damn near a Madden curse.
 
they're only "system" players if comparing to the NFL's playbooks. they're two completely different things. that's silly.
 
Dan B. said:
Who the hell cares?

The last Heisman winner to do anything worthy of lasting note in the NFL was Barry Sanders.

Like a Grammy, People's Choice Award, or NFL All Pro pick (or the Nobel Prize frankly), the Heisman means next to nothing.

You can tell who is going to be great all on your own. There's no reason to let Wendy's and ESPN make up your mind for you.

The problem with Suh btw is that he wasn't pimped from the start. Heismans are handed out for promotional efforts as much as individual talent these days. Showtime and I got into it wrt UT buying refs yesterday, but here is an area that I'm sure he and I can completely agree on. Big Schools buy the Heisman. Nebraska probably has the resources to pimp the hell out of a defender and get his face plastered on TV all year, but they didn't. The real losers in Heisman discussions are players for schools without the PR departments capable of getting their name out there. These players are relegated to regional obscurity as only alumni and reporter from their area know what they are witnessing.
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Because we all know Charles Woodson is a huge bust
 
MeLoveTexans said:
Because we all know Charles Woodson is a huge bust
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A little closer to home...Eddie George...Ricky Williams. Especially Ricky, if he could of laid off the pot. Shoot he'll most likely still finish his career with > 10k yards.
 
if i were a fan of Texas, i'd like McCoy to win. also, i'd like Texas to win the national championship.
 
I'd like them to redefine the Heisman to just the best offensive skill position player on a big name team. Because that's all it is, really.

If you want the best individual player in the country, I agree, it's Suh. If you want the best individual QB, I think it's Keenum. Give Keenum Texas' defense and he'd do great. If you want RB, I think it's probably Gerhart, but I can't argue too much against Ingram.

Suh ought to win it, but he won't. The Heisman, like the BCS, is a joke.
 
MojoMan said:
Is Barack Obama being considered for this award?

To those who would say that Obama has done nothing to justify consideration for this award, I would note that he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize even though he had done nothing to justify receiving that award either.

Perhaps this is just the year of Barack Obama and it is his destiny to win the Heisman trophy. Go Barack!
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Did he play for Denver? Maybe we can get him in free agency this off season.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I believe it will be:
Ingram
McCoy
Gerhart
Suh
Tebow

As a UT fan, I hope McCoy does not win.
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Same here. I don't think Colt deserves it.

I thought Colt should have won it last year, but it's not like Bradford was undeserving. The only reason McCoy and Tebow are even in the running is because they started the season as the favorites.
 
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The Heisman Trophy Trust would go a long way to regaining legitimacy if Suh would win, but he won't. McCoy...no thanks, we need someone who can tell time. Spiller had an outstanding season. Ingram is your probable winner, and a pretty good one at that.
 
WesmanTexanfan said:
If they want to give it to the best college player then its him, no doubt. I really hope they dont get caught up in resumes....
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Suh's resume looks a lot better than Mark Ingram's. The main strikes against Suh is that he 1) is not an offensive skill player and 2) he does not play for a team ranked in the top 5.
 
For me - I have to go off of the body of work of each player

McCoy has to be at the top of the list - better than 70% completion for his career (An NCAA Record), and has won more games than any QB college football history. His last game might not have been his best BUT he found a way to WIN. 45-6. Probably would have won it last year if not for one Michael Crabtree TD .....

Suh
Tebow
Gerhart
Ingram
 
The BCS just gave the Longhorns the biggest Christmas gift they could ever expect to receive with another play after double zeros on the clock Saturday in Arlington, so I can't believe the Heisman voters would do it again
by rewarding the Heisman to the guy who really should have be the biggest goat in college football history ? That would be too scandalous after what's happened already over the weekend.
I'm thinking they surprise us by giving the award to the years best football player Suh, who's also got to be a big sentimental favorite after the BCS shafted him and his whole team over the weekend.
 
nunusguy said:
The BCS just gave the Longhorns the biggest Christmas gift they could ever expect to receive with another play after double zeros on the clock Saturday in Arlington.....
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BS argument. What exactly is the cutoff for correcting a clock operator's error? 2 seconds? 3 seconds? 10 seconds? Either fixing an error is right or it isn't and this was a CRYSTAL CLEAR error of the clock. The "gift" would have been to Nebraska had it not been corrected.
 
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