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4 years isn't enough.

thunderkyss

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I agree there have been some coaching snafus made, I agree that some of those appear to have been stubbornly made again, & again, & again.

I agree that Kubiak isn't the best HC in the league. But I think he has more upside than any KC candidate out there.

I understand not accepting mediocrity, I understand demanding excellence, & I understand, and believe Kubiak needs to feel a little heat.

I'm not going to make any excuses for him, I'm not going to paint our eminant 3rd 8-8 season in a row as a positive...

I'm just going to say I think he has done more good than not, I like what he's doing overall, & I would like to see another year of it, at least.
 
I don't know when you became such an apologist and excuse farmer but its been pretty bad lately. You even called Chris Myers our best OL and that he was playing well and was one of the best Centers in the league. Your words not mine. That made me question your sanity and now you are calling Kubiak that he has more upside than any HC candidate out there.

I appreciate the sunshine, but don't pee on my head and tell me its raining.

What has Kubiak done to merit such loyalty and such delusion?

Oh and how can 4 years not be enough...that is just ridiculous.
 
Kubiak took this team from the bottom of the league and made it a competitive mediocre team. I can't say this is a good team, though. If you look at the standings right now this team is looking at another top 10 pick. I don't think he can take this team to the next level. This team seems to be destined for 8-8 every year with him at the helm. That's not good enough.
 
If they played a complete game and still came up short yesterday then I could see him being back. But they didn't. In fact it was awful at times and the coaches decisions were big highlights. I think the players are over it. I think Kubes is worn out. I think McNair has to see the landscape and see the amount of vet coaches out there and think now or never. The money in tickets he enjoys might leave with more mediocrity. There are alot of good coaches that weren't fit for HC work. Good people, etc. It isn't a sin. Look at Dave Wanstedt. Found his calling in college. Same with Pete Carroll.
 
The easy bet is that McNair is as high on Kubiak as TK is. And TK, this is only one of about tow or three times I have disagreed with you. So it's just that, and nothing more "personal" or anything like that.

I don't want him back.

But McNair might bring him back for exactly what opinions you have stated.
 
Well TK, I think that it is just as likely as not that Kubiak gets to coach his lame duck year. We have a good chance of seeing what exciting ideas* Kubes can come up with for another year, so you at least will be happy.


*I predict that Kubiak, who can't trust his kicker, inserts Ahman Green (picked up for that needed veteran leadership) into the line-up at fourth and goal from
the eight. He attempts a drop kick after the defense is fooled into not having it's field goal unit on the field to try and block the kick. I'll leave the prediction of the play results to other interested readers.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I don't know when you became such an apologist and excuse farmer but its been pretty bad lately. You even called Chris Myers our best OL and that he was playing well and was one of the best Centers in the league. Your words not mine. That made me question your sanity and now you are calling Kubiak that he has more upside than any HC candidate out there.

I appreciate the sunshine, but don't pee on my head and tell me its raining.

What has Kubiak done to merit such loyalty and such delusion?

Oh and how can 4 years not be enough...that is just ridiculous.
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It's not about loyalty to Kubiak. It's about believing that stability leads to success and upheaval disrupts it.
 
dalemurphy said:
It's not about loyalty to Kubiak. It's about believing that stability leads to success and upheaval disrupts it.
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but that has proven to not be the case. how many times does a new head coach come in and change the mindset and direction.

What sort of success and stability has Kubiak gotten us? none. So what is there to really disrupt? There isn't.

Kubiak has failed and giving him another year is not going to change things. In fact, it will just make things worse and continue to dig us a bigger hole.

Face it, Gary just sucks as a Head Coach. He is a decent, not great, OC but a terrible Head Coach. 4 years is enough and to bring him back will hurt the franchise more than you could ever imagine. The Honeymoon Is Over.
 
dalemurphy said:
It's not about loyalty to Kubiak. It's about believing that stability leads to success and upheaval disrupts it.
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This motto is dead in the NFL right now. Too many teams turn the corner yearly. Too many teams find the right fit and play smart football. You'd think people would learn that with Carr and the first regime. Sometimes guys just aren't cut out for a HC job. Oh and if you think FAs will jump to sign here now or guys like AJ will be excited about another year, I've got another story.
 
i couldnt agree more. like you tk, i see the flaws (everyone does) ... but unlike so many at this point, the scale of our failures doesnt weigh more heavily than what we've done and what i expect us to do. it's a what have you done for me lately league, especially after a loss (multiplied by consecutive losses), but i for one cant help but see this season as a beginning more than an end.
 
When a rebuilding team quits improving, then that's enough.

It took 3 years in this case to reach consecutive 8-8 seasons. Now the team is regressing.

4 years is plenty of time to show continuous improvement.
 
The one more year thing is very tired with this organization. Look where it got us with David Carr.
 
With how the same mistakes are made over and over again....4 years is most certainly enough. Kubiak will be nothing but damn lucky to coach this team next year.
 
Have you taken a look at our record against our division opponents? If not, take a peek at it sometime. It makes for interesting reading. lol.
 
HoustonFrog said:
This motto is dead in the NFL right now. Too many teams turn the corner yearly. Too many teams find the right fit and play smart football. You'd think people would learn that with Carr and the first regime. Sometimes guys just aren't cut out for a HC job. Oh and if you think FAs will jump to sign here now or guys like AJ will be excited about another year, I've got another story.
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likely the case, but arguably the opposite as a named player seeing a team about to get over the hump much like arizona for so long being a few breaks away. tony gonzales appeared to go to atlanta on this assumption. if we could land a first day name like hampton (PLEASE sign hampton), it'd send an enticing signal around the league that the texans completed the puzzle.
 
Scooter said:
likely the case, but arguably the opposite as a named player seeing a team about to get over the hump much like arizona for so long being a few breaks away. tony gonzales appeared to go to atlanta on this assumption. if we could land a first day name like hampton (PLEASE sign hampton), it'd send an enticing signal around the league that the texans completed the puzzle.
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Atlanta made the playoffs, had weapons already in place and had gotten over the hump. that is why Gonzales went there. Last season FAs saw what you are talking about and liked it here. Now they will see 3 .500 type seasons and a regression and think there is mediocrity here. The only way Hampton comes here is under a new coach who wants to play some 3-4. JMO. Right now body language says it all and players and people are over this "next year talk."
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I don't know when you became such an apologist and excuse farmer but its been pretty bad lately. You even called Chris Myers our best OL and that he was playing well and was one of the best Centers in the league. Your words not mine. That made me question your sanity and now you are calling Kubiak that he has more upside than any HC candidate out there.

I appreciate the sunshine, but don't pee on my head and tell me its raining.

What has Kubiak done to merit such loyalty and such delusion?

Oh and how can 4 years not be enough...that is just ridiculous.
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QFT. As I said, if you can't hold a 17 point lead on Indy, and can only muster 3-3 in your division AT BEST, you have no right to keep your job. The only consistant thing is our coach getting out coached.
 
HoustonFrog said:
This motto is dead in the NFL right now. Too many teams turn the corner yearly. Too many teams find the right fit and play smart football. You'd think people would learn that with Carr and the first regime. Sometimes guys just aren't cut out for a HC job. Oh and if you think FAs will jump to sign here now or guys like AJ will be excited about another year, I've got another story.
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OTOH - I can imagine HC candidates actually WANTING this job after seeing the talent on hand here now.
 
Since Kubiak has been the head coach all but the following have made the playoffs


Bills
Browns (even these dogs managed 10-6)
Raiders
Lions
Rams
49ers
Texans


Teams jump from awful to division winners every year. It is not a big deal to have a single season of relative success in the NFL (maintaining it is much different story). Only the absolute worst franchises in the NFL don't make the playoffs in 4 years.
 
Kubes is the offensive equivelent of a combination of Ed Biles and Chuck Studley.

Kubes is a nice guy, and I really hoped it had worked out but he has to go. He needs to be an OC.
 
4 years isnt enought???

Atlanta Falcons go from 4-12 to 11-5 with new HC and rookie QB.
Miami Dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5 with new HC.

And these are just 1 year turnarounds.

And we cant get a winning record in 4 with the talent we have?

Give me a break, Kubiak is done. He has gone 0-4 when we were fighting for the playoffs.
 
Super Mario said:
4 years isnt enought???

Atlanta Falcons go from 4-12 to 11-5 with new HC and rookie QB.
Miami Dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5 with new HC.

And these are just 1 year turnarounds.

And we cant get a winning record in 4 with the talent we have?

Give me a break, Kubiak is done. He has gone 0-4 when we were fighting for the playoffs.
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Exactly. In the most important 4 game stretch in team history, it was epic fail accross the board. He only needed to go 1-3 to hang on to some kind of hope, and heck 2-2 would have put us right in the thick of it.

But, when the chips were down, he made some of the most bone headed decisions since the dawn of the forward pass. And his team is as mentally soft as a marshmellow with the heart of a Hyena, only everyone else is laughing. Sorry TK but that is all on the HC.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
I don't know when you became such an apologist and excuse farmer but its been pretty bad lately.
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I'm not apologizing for anything Kubiak is guilty of. He's guilty of being a bad head coach. I just think he'll eventually be a damn good head coach.

I think that because of what he has done successfully right here.

Some people can't see all the positives because of what is happens in the last 2 minutes of a game. But if I were McNair, there are certain questions I would be asking myself to decide how this organization & Gary Kubiak's future will play out. W-L record being relevant to only one of the many questions.
Second Honeymoon said:
You even called Chris Myers our best OL and that he was playing well and was one of the best Centers in the league. Your words not mine.
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Did I say one of the best in the league? I might have said one of the best at effectively blocking on the second level or something like that. He's pretty avg in every other aspect of the game.
Second Honeymoon said:
That made me question your sanity and now you are calling Kubiak that he has more upside than any HC candidate out there.
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Take Shanahan for example. I think all his success left him 1st when Elway retired, then when Kubiak left... I think Kubiak leaving was the biggest blow to his success.
Second Honeymoon said:
I appreciate the sunshine, but don't pee on my head and tell me its raining.
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I wouldn't tell you it's rain.
Second Honeymoon said:
What has Kubiak done to merit such loyalty and such delusion?

Oh and how can 4 years not be enough...that is just ridiculous.
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What has Greg Williams done? So far his success is equivalent to Kubiak's success only on the other side of the ball.

Kubiak came in & improved the offense while developing an OC. Maybe as a favor to a friend, maybe as an attemtp to give someone the opportunity he was once afforded... however you want to describe it, I like it. That's good character stuff that we complain is missing from the NFL.

When he got that done, he moved over to the defense, and improved that side as well.

The draft picks have been great, with 1st & second round players making an impact immediately(with the exception of Amobi) & later draft picks improving with time (OD being the exception & contributing like a first rounder from day one).

If we can concede that Frank Bush was a good call on Kubiak, I am very, very, very satisfied with the make-up of our current coaching staff.

& if Greg Williams is a HC candidate this year, it's possible that may be the reason Kubiak didn't look at him last year.
 
Can we just fire him now, hire Shanahan as an interim...make him the full time coach next year and then when he chooses his OC...hire Kubiak?
 
Super Mario said:
4 years isnt enought???

Atlanta Falcons go from 4-12 to 11-5 with new HC and rookie QB.
Miami Dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5 with new HC.

And these are just 1 year turnarounds.

And we cant get a winning record in 4 with the talent we have?

Give me a break, Kubiak is done. He has gone 0-4 when we were fighting for the playoffs.
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and atlanta is at 6-6 in a horrid division a year later.
and miami is at 6-6 in a lesser division a year later, while having the last of the previous generation's great coaches in parcells running the show. miami winning the previous season by suprising everyone with the wildcat and a multitude of veterans.

no, despite our record it's not permitted to ***** about a .500 team being an example of success.

the commonality with both however is that these new coaches came into teams with a fair amount of talent to build up from. neither came into square one ... both were quick fix coaches with immediate impact and subsequent fallout. if we bring in a new coach next season, we'll probably see the same - a boom year and a fall immediately after. kubiak might not be the boom coach, but i'll argue that he'll continue up the ladder.
 
Super Mario said:
4 years isnt enought???

Atlanta Falcons go from 4-12 to 11-5 with new HC and rookie QB.
Miami Dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5 with new HC.

And these are just 1 year turnarounds.

And we cant get a winning record in 4 with the talent we have?

Give me a break, Kubiak is done. He has gone 0-4 when we were fighting for the playoffs.
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and a year later the Falcons are 6-6 & the Dolphins are 6-6...

the W-L record is just a short sited way of looking at this.
 
TimeKiller said:
Can we just fire him now, hire Shanahan as an interim...make him the full time coach next year and then when he chooses his OC...hire Kubiak?
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The only reason Mike Shanny would ever come to Houston is for him and his wife to visit their son. I don't think he wouldn't touch the Texans if Kubiak is fired. Too much respect there.
 
I think a change now will hurt us more (certainly short term) & nobody, I repeat, NOBODY knows for sure if the next coach would do any better than Kubiak will do if he reamains HC. So McNair should stay the course just as long as the Texans finish strong & show they can learn from their mistakes :turtle:
 
4Texans said:
The only reason Mike Shanny would ever come to Houston is for him and his wife to visit their son. I don't think he wouldn't touch the Texans if Kubiak is fired. Too much respect there.
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I do not understand this reasoning at all. If Kubiak has been fired, why would Shanny not want to coach here? Because Kubiak used to work for him? It's not like calling him and saying " hey, if you will come here to coach, then i will fire Gary"

If the job is open, I think he would jump at the chance to come here and could keep his son as the OC.

I personally do not want him to come here.
 
I think regardless who the coach will be next year, we are going to have a boom year. It will be the year after that, and the year after that, that I'm more concerned with.

This is Kubiak's team. This is a good team. No one will be able to get as much out of this team, as Kubiak will.

I'm saying we should stay the course.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree there have been some coaching snafus made, I agree that some of those appear to have been stubbornly made again, & again, & again.

I agree that Kubiak isn't the best HC in the league. But I think he has more upside than any KC candidate out there.

I understand not accepting mediocrity, I understand demanding excellence, & I understand, and believe Kubiak needs to feel a little heat.

I'm not going to make any excuses for him, I'm not going to paint our eminant 3rd 8-8 season in a row as a positive...

I'm just going to say I think he has done more good than not, I like what he's doing overall, & I would like to see another year of it, at least.
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Holy crap. Are you kidding me?! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

This past game was a Kubiak Master Class in Keystone Coppery. There were bone-headed plays called all game, with the HB pass being the cherry on top. He CONSISTENTLY goes for low-percentage "I'm smarterer than you" plays when better decisions could be made, and he's done it in scoring situations. In MUST SCORE situations.

I'll take you back to last year's Oakland game, when he didn't try to punch the ball in with the ball on the one yard line and a TD needed to win. Against OAKLAND. He called, I believe, two or three PASSING plays instead of the smarter play and we lost that game. In true Texans fashion.

It was after that game that I decided, once and for all, that what I had been feeling all last season was in fact correct, and a coaching change needed to be made. That was after LAST season.

But only NOW are people finally catching on. And you're kidding me with your contrarian view. Do you honestly believe Kubiak is GOOD for this team or are you trying to be Richard Justice/Skip Bayless and just say the opposite of reality to create controversy and revel in your self-made publicity?

My points about why a coaching change needed to be made last year still stick this year:

1. Boneheaded game-time decisions.
2. Poor challenges
3. Cannot properly prepare his teams for gameday.
4. Lack of fire/heart of this team starts with the coach.
5. Lackadaisical clock management in crunch time...it shows in the lack of urgency on the field

And this season, Kubiak adds to my list:

1. No trust in letting Schaub audible and change plays.
2. Consistent inability to learn from past mistakes...how many seasons of low-percentage playcalling does he need to learn it DOESN'T WORK?!
3. Attachment to a player like Chris Brown that isn't warranted by any, ANY, proof of on-field ability and accomplishment.

Anyone that is still on the "give Kubiak ONE MORE YEAR" is smoking crack. Like, literally. Smoking the crack rock. Unless you think mediocre, tepid coaching, attitude and preparation is NOT indicative of what the future would hold for another year under Kubiak.

Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is insane. This team and McNair loses my support if Kubiak is back next year. Not that I don't love football and am not a true fan, but because I can't stand behind stupid, moronic, illogical decisions any more than I can allow McNair to treat me like a mouth-breathing die-hard sycophant.

Fire Kubiak and staff. We cannot afford or endure another season of fail when the writing has been on the wall for years...FOR YEARS...that Kubiak is not head coach material. He simply isn't, not for this team.
 
beerlover said:
I think a change now will hurt us more (certainly short term) & nobody, I repeat, NOBODY knows for sure if the next coach would do any better than Kubiak will do if he reamains HC. So McNair should stay the course just as long as the Texans finish strong & show they can learn from their mistakes :turtle:
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Thats been the last two years. Finish strong ad wait till next year. Im tired of that mentality. 4 years in, you shouldn't be outcoached game in and game out.
 
thunderkyss said:
and a year later the Falcons are 6-6 & the Dolphins are 6-6...

the W-L record is just a short sited way of looking at this.
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They are still building off a playoff year despite massive injuries on both teams this year. Yet the Texans haven't sniffed it. How are they the same? I just think some of you got brainwashed in the early years that it would take 8 years of building and that Carr and all of those "extra year" teams were just a mirage. I honestly thought after last year that people would think..."this has to be it." But somehow the owner and team has done the biggest magic trick in the world...convince part of the fan base that 3 mediocre seasons equals progress despite each of the teams being more talented.
 
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look at jack del rio and the up and down years he has had in Jaxs

but look at his team right now what 7-5 i think

either way he usually wins 8 games a year no matter what and thats hard to do IMO

i say we keep kubes
 
Scooter said:
and atlanta is at 6-6 in a horrid division a year later.
and miami is at 6-6 in a lesser division a year later, while having the last of the previous generation's great coaches in parcells running the show. miami winning the previous season by suprising everyone with the wildcat and a multitude of veterans.

no, despite our record it's not permitted to ***** about a .500 team being an example of success.

the commonality with both however is that these new coaches came into teams with a fair amount of talent to build up from. neither came into square one ... both were quick fix coaches with immediate impact and subsequent fallout. if we bring in a new coach next season, we'll probably see the same - a boom year and a fall immediately after. kubiak might not be the boom coach, but i'll argue that he'll continue up the ladder.
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Miami's division record is 4-2 this year.
The Texans have not improved in the areas that lead to playoffs. This
year was supposed to be THE year.

The Texans are 1-5 in the division in 2009.
They finished 2-4 in 2008.
They finished 1-5 in 2007.
They finished 3-3 in 2006.

So, you could argue that the Texans have REGRESSED in the division under
Kubiak, when your division record is the most important stat to consider
when you want to make the playoffs. I was his staunchest supporter, but
the curtain has dropped on the wizard. Mcnair has a couple heels to click
together come postseason.
 
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If Kubiak was improving as a HC, I would be ok with giving him another year. But he is not getting better as he is still making the same mistakes over and over again. There have been too many games over the past 2 years that he hasn't put his players in the best position to win the game. He is trying to out-coach the other sidelines, and trying to be the hero himself. This team doesn't need a hero as a coach anymore, we simply need a guy who gets his best players on the field, and calls the plays that get them the ball.
 
Norg said:
look at jack del rio and the up and down years he has had in Jaxs

but look at his team right now what 7-5 i think

either way he usually wins 8 games a year no matter what and thats hard to do IMO

i say we keep kubes
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I found myself admiring Del Rio for the first time. Ever.

Good coach. Just trots out his players and lets them try to make plays. Was smart enough to cut bait with the trashy WRs and look at his WR squad now--Looking' pretty good, to be honest.

I think he's better than I thought he was.
 
Norg said:
look at jack del rio and the up and down years he has had in Jaxs

but look at his team right now what 7-5 i think

either way he usually wins 8 games a year no matter what and thats hard to do IMO

i say we keep kubes
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Del Rio had a bad first season and an injury year last year that went south. Besides that he has been above .500 and twice has made the playoffs. This isn't even close to the same. The excuses are getting flimsier. This is the most talented team of the last 3 years yet they aren't peaking, they are regressing and are making the same , if not more msitakes. How is this progress?
 
JB said:
I do not understand this reasoning at all. If Kubiak has been fired, why would Shanny not want to coach here? Because Kubiak used to work for him? It's not like calling him and saying " hey, if you will come here to coach, then i will fire Gary"

If the job is open, I think he would jump at the chance to come here and could keep his son as the OC.

I personally do not want him to come here.
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Personally, I don't want to see him come here either. In part, because I have wanted to see Kubiak succeed. I just don't think Mike would take the job, because of the close relationship he's had with Kubiak over the years. Also, if Kubiak is gone, then Kyle needs to go also. No telling what McNair would work out with Mike if he did offer him the job. I'm tired of the Denver / ZBS scheme's that they've been running, and I don't need to see Mike's version of it, unless he has changed his ways.

On topic, I'm siding with TK. 4 years probably isn't enough time. Go ahead and let Kubiak coach his 5th year as a lame duck, and see what happens. Then if we're still not over the hump, get rid of Kubiak and Smith. I see them as a package deal. Would Kubiak coach as a lame duck, or would he resign??????
 
that jack bring a indenty and norm a constant system

thats why we should keep kubes our Offensive is there just needs some o line patch ups


our D is there just needs some patches 2

has it stands right now Bob hasent said anything i think if Kubes wins out here his job is safe
 
I don't know Gary Kubiak, and I have never had a personal conversation with Gary Kubiak. That being said, this is my take on Gary the Head Coach.

I truly believe Gary Kubiak lacks the confidence to take a team that has had a kind of "loser" mentality the way the Texans have had. None of our "franchise players" or "leaders" have ever even sniffed the playoffs, and the fact is I don't think they even know how to win anymore. I see this team as a team full of guys that constantly second guess themselves and truly expect the next big mistake. And it is this type of team that needs a head coach that comes in with a "winners" mentality. The team needs a leader than knows what it's like to lead and knows what it takes to win football games. He has got to inspire confidence in the team and to do this, he needs to be confident in himself.

Once again, I have never spoken to Gary Kubiak, but this is simply my opinion based on what he says in press conferences, what his body language suggests, and simply the way he seems to carry himself as a head coach. I truly don't believe that Gary Kubiak believes in Kubiak the Head Coach. His constant "it's on me" rhetoric suggests that he honestly doesn't believe he is doing his job. The way he hides behind his Denny's menu seems to suggest he doesn't believe he can coach on the fly but that everything has to be scripted and if the script doesn't go as planned, he is done for. And finally, his inability to watch his kicker kick field goals indicates a lack of confidence in his players and essentially a lack of confidence in himself.

Take this for what it's worth, but I truly believe the writing is on the wall. Maybe Gary Kubiak could believe in Kubiak the Head Coach if he were on a team filled with "winners" and thus didn't need to be the guy to lead and inspire his players. Maybe if he had a guy like Brian Dawkins that called team meetings and led his team and inspired his team for him, he could be successful. But the fact is Gary Kubiak isn't on this kind of team and that being said, Kubiak the Head Coach will likely never succeed on a team like ours. It is for this reason that I believe a change must be made. We need to bring in a guy with a "winners" mentality to change the culture and the mindset of this team. It's a long shot, but Bill Cowher sure seems like a good guy to call...
 
DexmanC said:
Miami's division record is 4-2 this year.
The Texans have not improved in the areas that lead to playoffs. This
year was supposed to be THE year.

The Texans are 1-5 in the division in 2009.
They finished 2-4 in 2008.
They finished 1-5 in 2007.
They finished 3-3 in 2006.

So, you could argue that the Texans have REGRESSED in the division under
Kubiak, when your division record is the most important stat to consider
when you want to make the playoffs. I was his staunchest supporter, but
the curtain has dropped on the wizard. Mcnair has a couple heels to click
together come postseason.
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my arguement wasnt for the texans, it was attempting to impose reality on "first year coach playoffs woohoo!". our divisional record has regressed, no homer can argue that.

you're reinforcing our divisional record only seconds what i said about the teams mentioned playing in weak divisions. i dont think we've ever lost to miami, but at 6-6 they're you're example of success? i thought we were tired of .500. miami's next 3 games are against the afc south ... far and away the toughest division in the afc. any arguement for or against can be postponed. for perspective however we're 1-1 against the afc east with 2 games left.
 
I don't know about some of you guys, but another 4 yrs of Kube's Football to me is WAY more than enough! I'm tired of stupid, head scrathin', doofus football! Hell, if I performed my job like Kubiak, I would have been fired from my job a long time ago! Also that incompetent dir. of player personnel, Grier needs to get his arsed canned too! Pappa McNair needs to grow a pair or two & stop wastin' the great fans of Houston & elsewhere- time & money!:roast:
 
I am having to come to grips that TK may just be a troll.

Here is some stuff he has said about Myers. he says he is our most effective OL. I didn't think anyone would believe it till they saw it with their own eyes, so here is the link.

I am all for optimism and glasses half full, but to call Myers anything other than an abomination at Center is pretty much bullcrap.

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1273943&postcount=11

Anyone who has watched the Texans play, knows how bad Myers is. How many times do we need to see him thrown around like a rag doll before we wake up to reality.

Myers sucks. plain and simple.
 
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