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Owen Daniels - Out for Season

this is ideal! we loose my favorite player for the season and we get to finally see how brilliant our FO is for drafting based on BPA and not paying out for players based on system performance. I love this guy and I don't think that Dreesen or Casey is as good as "Open" Daniels but I'm glad that this is happening now. We're getting very lucky with our "contract year" injuries. I hope we get to keep 81 but if we loose him because we aren't willing to pay top 3 TE money to a top 3 injured player we could be in a position to really improve come March!

Go Texans! Get well "Open"!
 
James Casey can play....(we all saw the highlight catches he was making in camp and during the preseason) as soon as he builds chemistry with Schaub and gains his trust, he'll be a good replacement.
 
It will be interesting to see how this changes the Texans offence. Tbh Daniels isn't a very good blocker so I wonder if this may see more 3 receiver sets on early downs. A team like the Cardinals compensates for their lack of a decent tight end with multiple receiver sets and the Texans have the talent to be able to do the same. Maybe we'll see more spread sets, and that can sometimes open things up in the run game - at least change things around a little.
 
Does anyone else think this portends an uptick in plays called JJ's way? He's too dangerous to not use more in the passing game.
 
Carr Bombed said:
James Casey can play....(we all saw the highlight catches he was making in camp and during the preseason) as soon as he builds chemistry with Schaub and gains his trust, he'll be a good replacement.
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FO drafted him expecting to lose OD if you ask me, not mid year but in the future.
 
Ryan said:
We need to stop moping around like our season is over.
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It's not over. But, this deals a blow to the offense. Daniels was playing as well as any TE in the league. Dreessen is serviceable. Casey has talent. But, neither have Schaub's confidence as Daniels had.

I look for Walter to take a bigger role on 3rd down. And the Texans will need more big plays. Which is why I would like to see Jacoby Jones getting more snaps and more touches.

The more I think about this, I realize that this puts more pressure on the defense to continue to improve. Daniels made a lot of 3rd down plays to extend drives. The defense will need to pickup some of the lack, as well.
 
STEEL BLUE TEXANS said:
OD will most likely get the franchise tag now.
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He will be a RFA next year so I don't think he will have to be tagged, just have to match whatever tender he is offerred by any other team to retain him and coming off injury that might not be the demand that it was about to be, hopefully that will give him time to bounce back from the injury and us to lock him down longterm.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
FO drafted him expecting to lose OD if you ask me, not mid year but in the future.
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The Texans targeted a 5th rounder that happened to fall quite a bit farther than anyone expected to replace their pro bowl, all pro TE?

I don't really buy this argument. Casey fell a lot more than anyone could have expected, and we picked BPA. Simple as that
 
DocBar said:
Good corporations do what is necessary to keep their top talent. That's exactly why they are good corporations. OD has left it all on the field for them. They need to show him some money.
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I understand the sentiment, but the Texans have to do what's best for
the team. Remember all the "feel good" contracts the Texans signed under
the Casserly regime? Remember ALL THE YEARS it took to get all the bad
contracts off the table? Players have to do what's best for the players.
The Texans have to do what's best for the Texans. Negotiations take
place to meet in the middle of those two extremes.

Yes, Rick Smith may be an a$$, but he's gotten the Texans to the most
talented and deep they've ever been. O.D. went down, but we still
have Dreesen, Casey, and Hill to step in. Hope O.D. gets well, and I also
hope the Texans continue to build their depth.
 
Lucky said:
It's not over. But, this deals a blow to the offense. Daniels was playing as well as any TE in the league. Dreessen is serviceable. Casey has talent. But, neither have Schaub's confidence as Daniels had.

I look for Walter to take a bigger role on 3rd down. And the Texans will need more big plays. Which is why I would like to see Jacoby Jones getting more snaps and more touches.

The more I think about this, I realize that this puts more pressure on the defense to continue to improve. Daniels made a lot of 3rd down plays to extend drives. The defense will need to pickup some of the lack, as well.
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Yep. There was a huge drop off today when Daniels got hurt and was replaced on the field. I hope Schaub, Dreessen/Casey can build some chemistry and confidence quick to help close that gap. It's pretty obvious that Schaub and his primary targets are heavily in sync with each other, hopefully getting a bunch of first team snaps in practice this week will help, but you're right we need others around Schaub to pick up the load OD was carrying.
 
If there is a positive to be taken out of this, Demeco should be first on the list now to get payday.
 
Tailgate said:
So wait, did he have the MRI already? Is it that easy to confirm torn ligaments? I am trying to hold out for some friggin hope here. This thread is SHITE!
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A significantly torn anterior cruciate ligament can usually presumptively be diagnosed upon physical exam. With the lower leg bent, and with traction placed upon it, the leg will abnormally slide forward (at the knee) due to the lack of an intact check ligament. As an aside, ACL tears are commonly associated with other knee ligament injury as well as meniscus cartilage damage. Certainly, one of the worst classic knee injuries that one can sustain, if that's what he has.
 
OD has a history of knee injuries to boot. Very sad news indeed. Here's hoping he makes a quick recovery and gets the long term deal he deserves in Houston.

Dreessen and Casey are solid options but Daniels was playing out of this world and taking the passing game to another level. Hopefully Casey can progress quickly into the player we're going to need him to be.
 
If OD had kept his performance up, he'd have gone to the probowl for sure. This is really sad.
 
Daniels was on pace for close to 100 catches, over 1000 yards, and close to double digit TDs
Schaub is a good QB who can spread it around, Dreesen and Casey are capable backups, but to pretend like the loss of Daniels production wont impact us negatively is short sighted.

OD was the top tight end this season in the NFL so far, has been our most consistent player on offense, and has developed an unbelieveable chemistry with MS.

He attends special teams meetings just to learn how to block. He puts in tons of extra time. The guy is a worker. His loss is going to hurt us eventually.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A significantly torn anterior cruciate ligament can usually presumptively be diagnosed upon physical exam. With the lower leg bent, and with traction placed upon it, the leg will abnormally slide forward (at the knee) due to the lack of an intact check ligament. As an aside, ACL tears are commonly associated with other knee ligament injury as well as meniscus cartilage damage. Certainly, one of the worst classic knee injuries that one can sustain, if that's what he has.
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Is this the same injury that Dunta Robinson had?
 
How the Daniels injury occurred (The Chronic):

Daniels, who suffered a torn ACL as a senior in high school, was hurt on a third-down incompletion on the Texans' second series of the game.

"I was running my route, and I planted and made my cut and felt something," he said. "There was some contact, but it wasn't like I was being tackled."
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Damn Field Turf. :mad:
 
Yeah, I watched the play again and even though the cameras don't capture the exact moment he went to the ground, it's obvious that the turf grabbed him as he was trying to juke the LB off the line of scrimmage and get downfield.
 
Oh man. I knew it looked bad but I was hoping it wasn't anything too serious. Loosing OD is a huge blow to our offense. You can't really replace a guy like him, but hopefully someone will step up pick up some of the slack. I think we're going to see a lot more of Kevin Walter over the middle and Joel Dressen becomes our primary tight end. I wonder what's the status of Anthony Hill and maybe we'll see James Casey more now. But loosing OD hurts.
 
Bubbajwp said:
Damn we finally get on a roll and we loose one of our best players. What do you do if your the Texans in the offseason? Give OD the big contract he deserves or are you worried he wont return to his current form.
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You franchise him unless he agrees to your terms. This is a business and if you want to build long term success you have to treat it as such. Yeah it sucks for him but that is why they have contracts.

I know thats going to be an unpopular view but hey its the honest Truth. Want an example? See DRob.
 
PapaL said:
You franchise him unless he agrees to your terms. This is a business and if you want to build long term success you have to treat it as such. Yeah it sucks for him but that is why they have contracts.

I know thats going to be an unpopular view but hey its the honest Truth. Want an example? See DRob.
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I completely agree just curious to see how many people think this way.
 
Hate to see OD injured. Just when OD started to get respect he deserves from media nationwide, this sXXt happens. Even OD is injured, hope Texans sign OD and pay what he deserves.

Speedy recoverly OD. We need you!

Now we need Dreesen, Casey, and Hill to step up.

Go Texans!!!
 
PapaL said:
You franchise him unless he agrees to your terms. This is a business and if you want to build long term success you have to treat it as such. Yeah it sucks for him but that is why they have contracts.

I know thats going to be an unpopular view but hey its the honest Truth. Want an example? See DRob.
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agreed

if Casey steps up in the roll and does a pretty good job, then I feel all bets are off when it comes to re-signing OD

time will tell
 
PapaL said:
You franchise him unless he agrees to your terms. This is a business and if you want to build long term success you have to treat it as such. Yeah it sucks for him but that is why they have contracts.

I know thats going to be an unpopular view but hey its the honest Truth. Want an example? See DRob.
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Unless there is a new collective bargaining agreement he will not be franchised as he will still be an RFA so will be subject to a tender offer like this year.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
A significantly torn anterior cruciate ligament can usually presumptively be diagnosed upon physical exam. With the lower leg bent, and with traction placed upon it, the leg will abnormally slide forward (at the knee) due to the lack of an intact check ligament. As an aside, ACL tears are commonly associated with other knee ligament injury as well as meniscus cartilage damage. Certainly, one of the worst classic knee injuries that one can sustain, if that's what he has.
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Is this not as bad as an MCL injury, CND?

You said ACL tears are commonly associated with other ligament injuries. Did the ACL tear because of prior weakening of other ligaments, which left the ACL to bear the brunt of wear and tear...finally causing the ACL to break down? Or are you saying that he might have more than just an ACL problem to reckon with; that when an ACL tears, others were likely to have torn at the same time?

And can they rebuild the ACL (and maybe other weakened ligaments, as well, while they're in there) and make it stronger than it was, using cadaver ligaments?

Just hoping there is some sort of way that he returns next year. With close to the same range of movement and speed as he had before today's injury.

I feel the way I felt when I learned DD was likely not going to pull through and make it. I just can't believe it happened to the guy.
 
GP said:
Is this not as bad as an MCL injury, CND?

You said ACL tears are commonly associated with other ligament injuries. Did the ACL tear because of prior weakening of other ligaments, which left the ACL to bear the brunt of wear and tear...finally causing the ACL to break down? Or are you saying that he might have more than just an ACL problem to reckon with; that when an ACL tears, others were likely to have torn at the same time?

And can they rebuild the ACL (and maybe other weakened ligaments, as well, while they're in there) and make it stronger than it was, using cadaver ligaments?

Just hoping there is some sort of way that he returns next year. With close to the same range of movement and speed as he had before today's injury.

I feel the way I felt when I learned DD was likely not going to pull through and make it. I just can't believe it happened to the guy.
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GP,

With many MCL injuries, a player will be able to continue to function. It is probably the least likely of the ligaments to make you dysfunctional.

An ACL is the major stabilizing ligament of the knee. If there is unobstructed back to front movement occurs at the knee joint without "check," then the MCL, LCL, and even the PCL can be torn because of simultaneous overstretching........thus lend total instability to the knee joint.

His previous ACL could have placed him at increased risk for a repeat injury.
I'm not sure if he limped off on his own 2 feet or he held his foot up avoiding weight. If the former occured, he may have incurred only an isolated ACL.

Either way, we will not probably see him until next year. (I have to take for granted that on the side line, the doctors concluded on physical that he had a "drawer sign" (the knee sliding forward).
 
infantrycak said:
Unless there is a new collective bargaining agreement he will not be franchised as he will still be an RFA so will be subject to a tender offer like this year.
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Same with DeMeco. Unless there's a new CBA, they're either Texans next year or bust. They have no leverage.
 
I feel so bad for him! He is definitely a favorite of mine :(

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Since OD is my favorite player I am in the first stage of grief right now...denial..I am waiting until MRI....Where is Mr Miagi when you need him?
 
Hopefully this isn't season ending (though it appears it may be), but I think this hurts OD more than it hurts us. Casey and Anderson will only get more playing time and I think they can hold up for us. We are deep at receiver. Jacoby will definitely get more looks, too.
 
Devastating news, OD was a big part of our offense, but that's life in the NFL for you. Hopefully this will inspire our team, to step up their game even more and keep on rolling through the rest of the season. We'll miss you OD, come back strong next year. GO TEXANS, CRUSH THE COLTS!!!
 
I suggest the Texans rename the stadium Owen Daniels Memorial Stadium, at least for this season.

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edit: not to trivialize it or anything. This sucks big time, and hopefully the Texans can still resign him to the RFA tender and have him at good strength next season.
 
Brisco_County said:
So the ACL tore without contact?

Maybe Smith and Kubiak were aware of this possibility in this year's draft.
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Most fans don't realize that only 1/3 of ACL injuries are produced by contact. The other 2/3 are produced by the lower leg moving forward on the the thigh bone or twisting of the lower leg on the thigh bone.

This occurs much easier on artificial turf, which is not known for their give (to buffer "sliding" or twisting). Football players on teams with artificial turf, have recently evolved to wearing a new type of cleat which better compensates for lack of give. This cleat is shaped like a comma rather than the traditional circular design. However, usually teams like ours, that play normally on grass and less commonly on turf, tend to be less prepared and seldom utilize the new safer design.
 
This is where the business side of the game is cut-throat.

The players want all they can get, due to not knowing their longevity in the NFL.

The owners and front offices want to limit what they give, due to not knowing the players' longevity in the NFL.

Nobody caused the injury. No owner, no GM, not the player. It was a weird, goofy injury that just happened. So now we see why those writing the checks are scared to write bigger checks until contracts are up. And why some fans see that as greed by those who write the checks.

And this whole mess is harder when the injured player was playing Pro Bowl caliber ball. Lots of layers on this situation, guys and gals.
 
Question - Is it worth it to hold out any hope that it might not be season ending?

Anybody remember Cooley this week thought he had a season ender and the diagnosis reduced the time table to 4-6 weeks?

Not the same injury but it happens after they take a look at the x-rays...
 
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