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Cushing and Matthews Positive for Steriods

I wonder how long it'll take for NFL network to pull their "Brian Cushing" path to the draft spot. (you know the one where it just shows him pounding wieghts.
 
I want one of the major, credible networks to confirm this. This website also reported than Vontae Davis and Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana which hasn't been broken yet, so who knows. Interestingly enough, Cushing said that he tested negative at the combine so someone is lying.
 
Well if this is true, I pray Malcolm Jenkins falls to us, because after him there's not really a bonified defensive player worth taking at our spot.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Well if this is true, I pray Malcolm Jenkins falls to us, because after him there's not really a bonified defensive player worth taking at our spot.
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Beenie Wells is starting to look better and better dont you think? :stirpot:

On the bright side now maybe we can gt Mathews with a second round pick.
 
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Carr Bombed said:
Well if this is true, I pray Malcolm Jenkins falls to us, because after him there's not really a bonified defensive player worth taking at our spot.
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I'd take the Phonz. He's really impressed with all of his work outs, along with his monster college production. I have him as the 18th best player in the draft at this point.
 
Señor Stan;1153220 said:
Sounds like some pre-draft posturing by a team who wants one of these guys to drop to them. Gotta love the draft!
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But if it was a team floating this out, every other team would know it was fake. We are not privy to the combine test results but I have to believe that all the teams already know who tested positive and for what. It might affect draftniks but I doubt this affects teams drafting philosophies unless it's true.
 
LORK 88 said:
I want one of the major, credible networks to confirm this. This website also reported than Vontae Davis and Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana which hasn't been broken yet, so who knows. Interestingly enough, Cushing said that he tested negative at the combine so someone is lying.
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Three weeks out and there's five different unconfirmed reports on five guys ? And four of them are started by this guy ? Never did figure out who started the rumor on Warren Sapp did we ?

First, you gotta believe a guy....who doesn't post his name on the web or his work.....has access to an NFL source. Second that an NFL source.....would risk getting caught, especially after the Vincent Young fiacso.....reporting this info.....with this comisioner....this head hunting commissioner to a guy who doesn't post his name on his work. If it's true all five guys are off our board no doubt. If it's true. Don't blame them. Millions of dollars involed....if you're not cheating, you're not trying to win hard enough.
 
threetoedpete said:
Three weeks out and there's five different unconfirmed reports on five guys ? And four of them are started by this guy ? Never did figure out who started the rumor on Warren Sapp did we ?

First, you gotta believe a guy....who doesn't post his name on the web or his work.....has access to an NFL source. Second that an NFL source.....would risk getting caught, especially after the Vincent Young fiacso.....reporting this info.....with this comisioner....this head hunting commissioner to a guy who doesn't post his name on his work. If it's true all five guys are off our board no doubt. If it's true. Don't blame them. Millions of dollars involed....if you're not cheating, you're not trying to win hard enough.
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I'm tired of people making that excuse for them. I could kill someone for the insurance would that be ok? It's illegal, but I'm only trying to make some money.
 
Yikes... so I've got one of my guys smoking the mary jane (Raji) and another of my favorites supposedly shooting up roids (Matthews). $10 next week, this guy releases a rumor Michael Oher eats babies or something.

Cushing has been on record saying he never failed a test at USC and stated at the Combine he doesn't do steroids. Now there are ways I guess he could get around the tests given while at USC.

Now are these allegations strictly for steroids or for performance enhancing drugs? Or are the tests for things that mask the use of steroids/performance enhancers. I don't want to go to a trash website like that while I'm at work. I hope these rumors prove to be false.
 
Well I've heard of Matthews making a pro white athlete website with a picture of a black baby or something before. Alot of things are going to leak on these guys.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Yikes... so I've got one of my guys smoking the mary jane (Raji) and another of my favorites supposedly shooting up roids (Matthews). $10 next week, this guy releases a rumor Michael Oher eats babies or something.

Cushing has been on record saying he never failed a test at USC and stated at the Combine he doesn't do steroids. Now there are ways I guess he could get around the tests given while at USC.

Now are these allegations strictly for steroids or for performance enhancing drugs? Or are the tests for things that mask the use of steroids/performance enhancers. I don't want to go to a trash website like that while I'm at work. I hope these rumors prove to be false.
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I hope it isn't true as well, but these are two guys who grew alot in a very few years.
 
My thoughts are here:
Positive combine drug test rumors, Frank Bush talks Texans defense, and yoga Texans

Some people will make the analogy to Warren Sapp dropping in the draft but being in the drug program now is more draconian than it was then. If these rumors are true, if they get busted again, they don't get a free pass. They are going to get nailed.

I guess we will have to wait some before these rumors are confirmed or denied but it certainly jacks around with the top of the draft board if they are true.
 
El Tejano said:
Well I've heard of Matthews making a pro white athlete website with a picture of a black baby or something before. Alot of things are going to leak on these guys.
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That was on a facebook page he created that got completely blown out of proportion. Dumb move by him? Absolutely... but people took offense to what was an inside joke between he and the rest of the USC football team.

He created a facebook page called "White Nation" because thats what the black USC football players called the white players- it's an inside joke between the players. This nickname was started by one of the black players that called some of the white one, "white nation". Sedric Ellis, a black DT selected top 10 by the Saints last year was a member of the group and good friend of Matthews. He explained that it's an inside joke between them and that Matthews isn't a racist at all.

One girl headed up publicizing the group. Both Matthews and Ellis responded to her. At first Clay was a little upset because she didn't understand. Then she explained her intentions, and she said Clay was much nicer and apologized. He immediately wrote an apology on the page, explaining where he was coming from. He said his best friend and roommate is black and he meant nothing bad from it, it was just poor judgement.

That stuff happens. you get caught up in your immediate family and you have a racial joke between your close friends of a different race. Poor judgment yes, but it's a nonfactor. He's learned his lesson that he's got to be P.C. and everything will get taken out of context.
 
After spending some time looking around almost all of the recults from search engines are just links to other blogs the reference the same draft bible page. If its true you would think there would be a feew other reputable sites reporting it evn if they just called it a rumor.

A test for performance enhancing drugs is way more important to me than a guy hitting the hippie lettuce! Its far more difficult to evaluate what a guys skill set will be at the next level once he is off the sauce.
 
Htownsportsfan said:
After spending some time looking around almost all of the recults from search engines are just links to other blogs the reference the same draft bible page. If its true you would think there would be a feew other reputable sites reporting it evn if they just called it a rumor.

A test for performance enhancing drugs is way more important to me than a guy hitting the hippie lettuce! Its far more difficult to evaluate what a guys skill set will be at the next level once he is off the sauce.
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It's all bad. The players know they are going to be tested at the combine. If they can't stay of banned substances during the combine, then you have to question how smart they are.

And it makes them subject to the drug program right away. Heightened scrutiny.
 
The thing to realize is that if they tested positive at the combine, then all 32 teams know it. So, regardless of rumors floating around on the outside, the teams that will be drafting on April 25th aren't at all concerned about them because they've had those test results for weeks.
 
Texans_Chick said:
It's all bad. The players know they are going to be tested at the combine. If they can't stay of banned substances during the combine, then you have to question how smart they are.

And it makes them subject to the drug program right away. Heightened scrutiny.
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Totally. If this is true or even the marijuana thing is true, it's bad on two levels because not only are these guys doing stuff that isn't legal around the league, but it really calls their brain functioning into question big time if you ask me. I mean hell, all of this stuff before the draft is extremely important to the rest of their lives because these rookie contracts are so high now days, and the smalllest slip is Millions of dollars potentially and if any of these guys can't even put the weed down just for a month or two before the combine, you've got to be wondering how dumb can this guy be and what kind of stupid decisions does this guy make on a regular basis if he is willing to throw potential Millions out the window just to hit the dope a few more times. Then the steroids is a much bigger issue, especially for Cushing who has had rumors about him involving steroids for over two years now. If this is true, his stock could fall a lot, and then you have Mathews whose stock has risen a whole lot due to workouts and all, and if this guy is that stupid as well, then what does that say about what kind of decisions he might make in the next 5 or so years?
 
dalemurphy said:
The thing to realize is that if they tested positive at the combine, then all 32 teams know it. So, regardless of rumors floating around on the outside, the teams that will be drafting on April 25th aren't at all concerned about them because they've had those test results for weeks.
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Some teams will take them off their boards if the drug test stuff is true because it means they will be subject to the drug program immediately. And it makes a team question the players ability (steroids) and brain (getting busted at the freaking combine). If they get busted a second time, their discipline will be worse than if they got busted for the first time.

The Boston Globe report suggests that the positive tests haven't gone to the teams yet. It means that each team will look at these guys extra carefully if the rumors are true.
 
Texecutioner said:
Totally. If this is true or even the marijuana thing is true, it's bad on two levels because not only are these guys doing stuff that isn't legal around the league, but it really calls their brain functioning into question big time if you ask me. I mean hell, all of this stuff before the draft is extremely important to the rest of their lives because these rookie contracts are so high now days, and the smalllest slip is Millions of dollars potentially and if any of these guys can't even put the weed down just for a month or two before the combine, you've got to be wondering how dumb can this guy be and what kind of stupid decisions does this guy make on a regular basis if he is willing to throw potential Millions out the window just to hit the dope a few more times. Then the steroids is a much bigger issue, especially for Cushing who has had rumors about him involving steroids for over two years now. If this is true, his stock could fall a lot, and then you have Mathews whose stock has risen a whole lot due to workouts and all, and if this guy is that stupid as well, then what does that say about what kind of decisions he might make in the next 5 or so years?
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http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/2009/01/steroids-at-usc-no-way/



He's actually had these rumors around him since he was in high school. people use the pictures in the above link & make up their mind from their eyeball test. But as i've checked around, those pictures are used out of context a bit. the 1 of him standing in the shorts is him coming off of an injury to his shoulder/knee in his Sohmore yr. i believe it was; i.e. no working out for a bit. The other of him in "hulk" phase is present day.
 
Mr teX said:
http://yepyep.gibbs12.com/2009/01/steroids-at-usc-no-way/

He's actually had these rumors around him since he was in high school. people use the pictures in the above link & make up their mind from their eyeball test. But as i've checked around, those pictures are used out of context a bit. the 1 of him standning him in the shorts is him coming off of an injury to his shoulder/knee in his freshman i believe; i.e. no working out for a bit. The other of him in "hulk" phase is like 2 years later.
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I've never said what I thought about his little steroid issue. I don't have a clue. I just know that the rumors have been out there for a long time going back to HS like you mentioned and the HS picture to me does look like he was juicing personally.
 
I'm surprised "the General" hasn't come galloping to Matthews defense on his Chron blog since he is the biggest homer for Clay out there.
 
I dunno if this is a fair question, so take that into consideration when I ask
"does this give us the basic insight into how Clay Matthews got from being
a 166 lb walkon to a 240 lb starting USC LB" ?
 
Texecutioner said:
I've never said what I thought about his little steroid issue. I don't have a clue. I just know that the rumors have been out there for a long time going back to HS like you mentioned and the HS picture to me does look like he was juicing personally.
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Wasn't saying u specifically, Just that most in general are finding these pics & thinking the same thing that i bolded from your post.

It's certainly possible though to get that big without steroid use over a 1-2 year span. Hell Brian Orakpo had a nationally televised spot showing how scrawny he was coming out of high school compared to the beast that he is now. We're all weary of steroids given what's been going on the last couple of years in baseball.
 
nunusguy said:
I dunno if this is a fair question, so take that into consideration when I ask
"does this give us the basic insight into how Clay Matthews got from being
a 166 lb walkon to a 240 lb starting USC LB" ?
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According to Clay, that was a rumor too. Who knows what's true anymore. lol. From his chat:

Solomon Chapman, Chicago,IL 03:22 PM ET
Is it true that you were 180lbs going into college? If so what did you do to get to the size you are now?

Clay Matthews Jr., LB, USC
My weight going into college was around 220 pounds, but somehow it gets exaggerated to make a better sotry. I was a late-bloomer physically, and then with getting into the weight room so much during college, I got to where I am today.
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http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/181
 
HOU-TEX said:
According to Clay, that was a rumor too. Who knows what's true anymore. lol. From his chat:



http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/181
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Ummm. I don't want to sound like an ass, but if u are 220 coming out of high school, you were not a late bloomer physically. Most D-1 linebackers are not 220 when they come out of highschool. Most of the LB recruits I read about are 200-210. Shoot even DE prospects at 220 are not late bloomers.

I'm a bit confused by this late bloomer story.

If he was 220 coming out of high school I would completely dismiss the "late bloomer" excuse for why he didn't see the field much until this past year. 220 is plenty of weight, especially if you redshirt and put more weight on during your redshirt season. Clay matthews did redshirt.
 
HOU-TEX said:
According to Clay, that was a rumor too. Who knows what's true anymore. lol. From his chat:



http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/181
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he needs to check with his own dad about that then..
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/02/like_father_like_son_nfl_teams.html

"He was 160 pounds as a junior in high school," his dad said. "His senior year, he just got taller and bigger. But you're recruited your junior year. I was thinking he wasn't going to be able to play football, and I was fine with that."
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Matthews probably means he was 220 at the beginning of his freshman year of college, not the end of his senior year of high school.

He supposedly weighed 166 as a junior in high school. Then he would have had an offseason, a summer, a season, another offseason, plus another summer to gain weight before college.

A lot of players routinely gain 8-10 pounds of muscle in just their first few weeks working out with the college strength coach because they are given specific workouts (for their body type, position, and strengths) not just the generic team workouts in high school where every guy does the same lifts. Some guys have even gained as much as 15-20 pounds in just that span.

But if you do the math, Matthews must have still put on about 55 pounds in two offseasons. That is a lot...
 
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/03/report-of-matthews-drug-test-refuted/

“Our office represents Clay Matthews. Your website is reporting, via unnamed sources including one NFL team, that Clay tested positive for steroids at the NFL Combine. As I’m sure you know, the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances clearly states that “any Club or Club employee that publicly divulges, directly or indirectly, information concerning positive tests or other violations of this Policy (including numerical summaries or specific names of persons) or otherwise breaches the confidentiality provisions of this Policy is subject to a fine of up to $500,000 by the Commissioner.

“Further, neither Clay nor our office has received notification of any positive test, whether for steroids or any banned substance. I also have been informed by an attorney at the NFL League Office that they have not received notification from the Independent Administrator of any Draft-eligible players testing positive for steroids during the pre-employment drug testing conducted at this year’s Combine, and likewise, that they have not informed the member NFL clubs of any drug testing results. Govern yourself accordingly.
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bah007 said:

He supposedly weighed 166 as a junior in high school.
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At which point? I know a few of my friends bulked up quite a bit during their junior year and the following offseason. The guys I knew that were going on to play in Division 1 bulked up around 20 lbs. their senior year after the season, though in one case, a DT just got fat.
 
dalemurphy said:
He will. Unfortunately, he's still about 18 hours from breaking the story!
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Excuse me sir, but I am the biggest homer for Clay Matthews. :bat:

“Our office represents Clay Matthews. Your website is reporting, via unnamed sources including one NFL team, that Clay tested positive for steroids at the NFL Combine. As I’m sure you know, the NFL Policy on Anabolic Steroids and Related Substances clearly states that “any Club or Club employee that publicly divulges, directly or indirectly, information concerning positive tests or other violations of this Policy (including numerical summaries or specific names of persons) or otherwise breaches the confidentiality provisions of this Policy is subject to a fine of up to $500,000 by the Commissioner.

“Further, neither Clay nor our office has received notification of any positive test, whether for steroids or any banned substance. I also have been informed by an attorney at the NFL League Office that they have not received notification from the Independent Administrator of any Draft-eligible players testing positive for steroids during the pre-employment drug testing conducted at this year’s Combine, and likewise, that they have not informed the member NFL clubs of any drug testing results. Govern yourself accordingly.
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Good letter.

And unless the people want to come forward and identify themselves they need to shut there pie hole. :aggressive:
 
Well let's look at the exact quotes:

Clay Matthews said:
"He was 160 pounds as a junior in high school,"
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Those are not two contradicting quotes no matter how you slice it. Junior year in high school could mean August of his junior year entering the season. Going into college could mean August of his freshman season at USC. That could be up to a 2 year time frame by my math.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Well let's look at the exact quotes:



Those are not two contradicting quotes no matter how you slice it. Junior year in high school could mean August of his junior year entering the season. Going into college could mean August of his freshman season at USC. That could be up to a 2 year time frame by my math.
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I dunno...

If he were talking about August I would think that he would have said "at the beggining of my junior year"....Even if you say that he was 160 in August who's to say he wasn't 160 in May? Not many players gain a bunch of weight during the season...

I wouldn't rule out working out naturally, but I think it would be naive to just dismiss the fact that he could have infact juiced (not saying that's what you're doing, just a general statement)...
 
beerlover said:
I wonder what McClain is saying now :spit:
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Mild surprise...pretty balanced and wait and see versus the defensiveness that I expected

Just about every media outlet in the country, including the Chronicle, is trying to confirm the NFLDraftBible.com report that USC outside linebackers Clay Matthews III and Brian Cushing tested positive for steroids at the Indianapolis scouting combine.

As I write this from my Las Vegas hotel room, NFLDraftBible.com is the only site reporting about Matthews and Cushing. The site also says Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji, Illinois cornerback Vontae Davis and Florida receiver Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana.

At some point in the scouting process, every team gets a report from the combine telling them which players tested positive for what. So far, I haven't seen another website pick up the report, but I know everyone will be trying confirm it, too.

If it's true, every team, including the Texans, will investigate fully and then have to make a careful decision about whether they want to pay a first-round pick millions of dollars and worry about the steroid issue.

In my first mock draft, I had the Texans taking Cushing. In my second mock, I have them taking Matthews. I've wanted them to take Matthews, but if the report is true, I'm reserving judgment until I learn a lot more.

Every year, players test positive for something - usually steroids, supplements that are on the NFL's banned list or recreational drugs. Some have terrific careers and never test positive again. Others never produce.

It always amazes me that prospects know months ahead of time they're going to be tested for drugs at the combine, and then they're dumb enough to get caught.

Anyway, this is a developing story, so stay tuned for more information
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Polo said:
I dunno...

If he were talking about August I would think that he would have said "at the beggining of my junior year"....Even if you say that he was 160 in August who's to say he wasn't 160 in May? Not many players gain a bunch of weight during the season...

I wouldn't rule out working out naturally, but I think it would be naive to just dismiss the fact that he could have infact juiced (not saying that's what you're doing, just a general statement)...
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My whole point is trying NOT to speculate one way or another. I quoted his father and Clay III, himself as what they actually said. It's very vague and people are trying to take them as decisive statements. It's a time frame, not an exact date.

If we want to get analytical into what his dad said, maybe we should blame him for not being more specific? Football season is from, what, August- December? What if he meant right when Clay finished his sophomore year and this was during the summer? Lots of people say they're the next grade up when they finish finals the year before. In actuality he could potentially have meant June immediately following his sophomore year finals in high school- Clay would be termed "a junior". Most likely his father proabably meant Clay's playing weight his junior year of high school which would be Sept./Oct/Nov. ish that year.

We can speculate all we want, I was re-quoting them so people could realize we can't pinpoint the exact dates they were each talking about. What if they were even off of the weights a tad too?
 
This may sound like an odd question, but are there any banned substances by the NFL that aren't addressed by the NCAA? What if a "drug" were legally available but was banned by the NFL... these prospects aren't officially in the NFL yet and are normal citizens. Technically are they no longer associated with the NCAA?

Not trying to make excuses at all but just thinking outside the box.
 
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