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Zach Mettenberger, QB LSU

Lucky said:
Sort of the AJ McCarron argument. Neither had to carry the team (ala Manziel or Bridgewater).
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I agree. Never had to. In the same way that I don't hold it against Manziel that he didn't run a "pro" system, I don't hold it against Mettneberger, or McCarron that they didn't have to carry their team.

You can, however, tell that they are both talented, make good decisions, can run a pro offense, have strong enough arms to play in the NFL, & don't wilt under the bright lights. McCarron especially.

I love Manziel, can't wait to see him in the NFL, but just like I enjoy watching Romo, I prefer to watch at a distance.

McCarron, Mettenberger, & Murray will do well in the NFL.
 
hmmmm. 2 turnovers for 14 points under those 'bright lights' vs oklahoma, with the best OL in college football and a great running game. Yup, McCarron will do great when he's drafted to an average team who will expect him to make plays under less than ideal situations.
 
Uncle Rico said:
hmmmm. 2 turnovers for 14 points under those 'bright lights' vs oklahoma, with the best OL in college football and a great running game. Yup, McCarron will do great when he's drafted to an average team who will expect him to make plays under less than ideal situations.
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You can't be telling me Bridgewater will never throw an INT in the NFL?

There's no reason for you to tear down McCarron to make Bridgewater look better. It's just my opinion, no reason to take it out on McCarron.
 
thunderkyss said:
You can't be telling me Bridgewater will never throw an INT in the NFL?

There's no reason for you to tear down McCarron to make Bridgewater look better. It's just my opinion, no reason to take it out on McCarron.
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2 National Championships and 36-4 record. Enough arm strength to make all of the throws. I think he discounts McCarron's achievements much too easily. Not that I want the Texans to draft McCarron, but McCarron and Bridgewater's skillsets are quite similar.
 
steelbtexan said:
2 National Championships and 36-4 record. Enough arm strength to make all of the throws. I think he discounts McCarron's achievements much too easily. Not that I want the Texans to draft McCarron, but McCarron and Bridgewater's skillsets are quite similar.
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If I may ask, what do you find about them to be similar?
 
My thoughts run more to can Qb x y or z translate to NFL. Example if Manziel is behind a solid Oline can he reduce his running attempts? My understanding his last year he was not only passing better but not fleeing from pocket as quickly. If he can do that I would not be as concerned about his health.
 
Texian said:
Sure, if it played out. However, I don't think Mett sees the 3rd RD and if he doesn't you have no QB. The Texans could draft 3 Clowneys but if they don't have a QB nothing would matter.
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Why not just cut everyone else off the team because the QB can hike the ball to himself, block for himself, run for himself, throw for himself, catch the ball for himself, play defense for himself. QB isn't everything, he's the ONLY thing. Right?
 
Marshall said:
Why not just cut everyone else off the team because the QB can hike the ball to himself, block for himself, run for himself, throw for himself, catch the ball for himself, play defense for himself. QB isn't everything, he's the ONLY thing. Right?
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Every HC that has been fired recently was a direct result of having a bad QB.
 
badboy said:
My thoughts run more to can Qb x y or z translate to NFL. Example if Manziel is behind a solid Oline can he reduce his running attempts? My understanding his last year he was not only passing better but not fleeing from pocket as quickly. If he can do that I would not be as concerned about his health.
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I think Manziel is going to break a lot of hearts... like Romo. He's going to put up the numbers & look like a damn good QB, but like Romo, he'll never "quit while he's ahead" & will "always" make that last stupid mistake to not win the game, or not make the play-offs.

Of course, there is that chance that things will "always" work out for him, like Favre & he'll win a Super Bowl...

I think the same of Aaron Murray, except he'll be drafted in the third or fourth & not given the opportunity & "benefits of the doubt" Manziel will get.

Mettenberger... I'm starting to sour on. I still like his size & arm. But I do not like his placement, & I question his anticipation. May be more of a project than I originally thought.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think Manziel is going to break a lot of hearts... like Romo. He's going to put up the numbers & look like a damn good QB, but like Romo, he'll never "quit while he's ahead" & will "always" make that last stupid mistake to not win the game, or not make the play-offs.

Of course, there is that chance that things will "always" work out for him, like Favre & he'll win a Super Bowl...

I think the same of Aaron Murray, except he'll be drafted in the third or fourth & not given the opportunity & "benefits of the doubt" Manziel will get.

Mettenberger... I'm starting to sour on. I still like his size & arm. But I do not like his placement, & I question his anticipation. May be more of a project than I originally thought.
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So far Manziel has been able to deliver in those last possession and game winning drives. In fact there is very little evidence of Manziel doing or going Romo. The truth is Manziel has been the opposite of Tony.
 
Texian said:
So far Manziel has been able to deliver in those last possession and game winning drives. In fact there is very little evidence of Manziel doing or going Romo. The truth is Manziel has been the opposite of Tony.
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In college.

We've got to extrapolate from what we've seen how these guy's play will translate to the NFL. My opinion, Manziel is the next Romo or Farve.
 
Texian said:
Every HC that has been fired recently was a direct result of having a bad QB.
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Then you agree with my statement? I don't. I intended it to be facetious, but I honestly think many consider the rest of the team irrelevant. If that is what it has become, then I'll take a pass on sports entirely.
 
mussop said:
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Lucky said:
Sort of the AJ McCarron argument. Neither had to carry the team (ala Manziel or Bridgewater).
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This is sorta true in the sense that both are run-first teams (this was especially true during the Florida game), though due to the defense regressing this year the offense (and by consequence, Mettenberger - especially during the Georgia game) had to carry the team. Jeremy Hill (who quietly had a really good season; hopefully he cleans up in the pros) was also suspended for the TCU game and that meant Mettenberger had to throw against that passing defense without Hill to hand off to. I don't McCarron has ever not had a really strong defense, running game, and offensive line at the same time.

Oh, and a super-easy schedule, but I digress.

If the Texans don't go QB in the 1st (which I think is unlikely), I prefer Fales out of San Jose State. But, do the Texans already have a Fales-type in Keenum? Scared of Mettenberger, a statue that could be more immobile after a knee injury. I think the Texans need to get the QB in the 1st, and I'm pretty sure they will.
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Fales is coming off of a really bad Senior Bowl, which is too bad he was also a QB in the later rounds I thought Houston would look at if we didn't grab a QB in the first.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. Never had to. In the same way that I don't hold it against Manziel that he didn't run a "pro" system, I don't hold it against Mettneberger, or McCarron that they didn't have to carry their team.
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That's the thing. He didn't, but he did NEED to. You say he didn't HAVE to, but when you are LSU you are a team that is in the talk for the national championship pre season every year.

It's because he didn't put together game winning drives in those games you say he didn't have to that they didn't even go to a BCS bowl.

The only game winning drive I saw carried out by an LSU QB this past season was Mett's backup against a crappy Arkansas team. You can MAYBE argue 8 loss TCU, but they were in control of that game and the return guy was the one that put them in TCU territory when he made it a 2 possession game.

steelbtexan said:
2 National Championships and 36-4 record. Enough arm strength to make all of the throws. I think he discounts McCarron's achievements much too easily. Not that I want the Texans to draft McCarron, but McCarron and Bridgewater's skillsets are quite similar.
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If he could make all the throws I assure you he wouldn't be hiding his arm from the scouts. What is their same skillset? Winning maybe, but with 2 completely different circumstances.

Marshall said:
Then you agree with my statement? I don't. I intended it to be facetious, but I honestly think many consider the rest of the team irrelevant. If that is what it has become, then I'll take a pass on sports entirely.
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QB is not THE only thing, but you must agree it is the most important by a sizeable amount. There are 2 ways of building Super Bowl teams it looks like to me in the past couple years. 1. Good QB or 2. Hit on EVERY SINGLE defensive position in your drafts and trades and have a top flight RB carry your offense. I think the latter is much more difficult to perform.
 
TexansFTW said:
That's the thing. He didn't, but he did NEED to. You say he didn't HAVE to, but when you are LSU you are a team that is in the talk for the national championship pre season every year
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Of LSU's three losses this year, only the Ole Miss game can really be blamed on Mett for those early interceptions. This argument is dumb.
 
Texian said:
Schwartz included. Matthew Stafford QB Rating ranks 37th out of 49 QBs. A QB Rating of 84 is not that good. For a comparison Schaub's QB Rating is 73.
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bah007 said:
I agree with Texian. Stafford is obviously talented, but he is terribly inefficient.
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Stafford has not been great the last two seasons. The owners think that is the fault of coaching rather than his ability. They have an argument since the season prior he had a 97.2 rating for 5th in the league while throwing for over 5000 yds (6th was Schaub at 96.8).
 
infantrycak said:
Stafford has not been great the last two seasons. The owners think that is the fault of coaching rather than his ability. They have an argument since the season prior he had a 97.2 rating for 5th in the league while throwing for over 5000 yds (6th was Schaub at 96.8).
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Agreed, Probably coaching, but nonetheless I think it's borderline unacceptable on Stafford's end.

I mean, the dude has Megatron. He is literally the ultimate jump ball master in the NFL.

Shaun Hill a career journeyman and not a very good QB had an 81.3 Rating the year he filled in for injured Stafford. I think having Megatron should start you with a minimum 75-80.
 
Who was it that said losing offensive line members to injury wasn't important because Peyton Manning got away with it?
 
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bhsman said:
Fales is coming off of a really bad Senior Bowl...
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Which Senior Bowl did you watch? Yes, he threw a pick, but apart from that he was 6-7 passing with a TD and led all Senior Bowl passers with 104 yards and 14.9 yards per completion.

That doesn't seem "really bad" to me.
 
ziggy29 said:
Which Senior Bowl did you watch? Yes, he threw a pick, but apart from that he was 6-7 passing with a TD and led all Senior Bowl passers with 104 yards and 14.9 yards per completion.

That doesn't seem "really bad" to me.
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Sorry, I should have specified the practices. If he played well in the game itself, awesome, though I think most people will grade him poorly based on the practices.
 
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Mettenberger works to recover from torn ACL
Posted by Mike Florio on February 7, 2014, 8:32 AM EST​


And Mettenberger now has his sights set on working out for scouts before the draft, even if the normal timeline for an ACL recovery is much longer than four months.

“I fully anticipate to be good enough to go and do a five- and seven-step drop for scouts,” Mettenberger said. “I’ve been pushing myself really hard. I’m expecting to be fully healthy in the four- or five-month range. It’s my personal goal.”

It’s a sensible goal, because he could be drafted higher if he can show not only that he’s recovering but also that he’s capable of making NFL throws, in the likely event he’s shelved for 2014 as the knee continues to heal. The end result could be the investment of a mid-to-late-round pick in a guy who can become a viable contributor (and possibly a starter) by his second season.
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LSU offensive coordinator Cam Cameron credited QB Zach Mettenberger's altered mechanics as a reason for his continued development in 2013.



"I watched his lower body and he was, basically, a little too elongated. He'd overstride. We worked on getting his feet up underneath of him and make everything he was doing more compact. What happened is that he got better balance," Cameron said. "We had him flex his knees a little more... He was more accurate. The ball came out quicker. He could move in the pocket better with the subtle movements you need. Everything was just streamlined." Mettenberger's development did start the previous season, but a perfect combination of great receivers, a balanced offense, and time in the pocket certainly helped. Fit will be an important part of Mettenberger's success at the NFL level.


From rotoworld
 
I wouldn't target mettenberger but if he fell to like the 4th rd, I'd take him even if I had drafted a qb higher.
 
I can't see him being there at 4:1

My concern is he is pushing his recovery too hard and it might come back to bite him.

Any experts in that area?
 
aussie_texan said:
where do y'all (see what i did there) see mett going. do you think he'll be available in the 3rd??
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I could see him being there at 3-1, though my concern would be Arizona - they could pick him up in the late 2nd and sit him behind Palmer for a year.
 
TexansFTW said:
That's the thing. He didn't, but he did NEED to. You say he didn't HAVE to, but when you are LSU you are a team that is in the talk for the national championship pre season every year.

It's because he didn't put together game winning drives in those games you say he didn't have to that they didn't even go to a BCS bowl.

The only game winning drive I saw carried out by an LSU QB this past season was Mett's backup against a crappy Arkansas team. You can MAYBE argue 8 loss TCU, but they were in control of that game and the return guy was the one that put them in TCU territory when he made it a 2 possession game.



If he could make all the throws I assure you he wouldn't be hiding his arm from the scouts. What is their same skillset? Winning maybe, but with 2 completely different circumstances.



QB is not THE only thing, but you must agree it is the most important by a sizeable amount. There are 2 ways of building Super Bowl teams it looks like to me in the past couple years. 1. Good QB or 2. Hit on EVERY SINGLE defensive position in your drafts and trades and have a top flight RB carry your offense. I think the latter is much more difficult to perform.
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Agree with you on Mettenberger.

McCarron currently is trying to get his shoulder healthy. I'm disappointed he probably wont be throwing at the combine. Or that he didn't get to play in the Sr. Bowl.

Good QB, and a great running game/defense/ST's. will get you along way.

I didn't consider Flacco or Ravens defense to be elite. Wilson elite?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I can't see him being there at 4:1

My concern is he is pushing his recovery too hard and it might come back to bite him.

Any experts in that area?
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by no means an expert but i tore my ACL just over a year ago. and a good friend of mine is a doctor who gave a talk at a conference about ACL reconstructions and the best recovery methods. so maybe i can help a bit.

it takes about 4-6 months before the graft or the repaired ACL to "feel" 100% but takes up to 10-12months to be fully healed and in some cases up to 2 years for full "explosion" to come back.

Depending on whether he had a patella tendon or hamstring tendon graft makes a small difference. Most athletes go with the hamstring tendon as its an easier recovery process. There is less soreness than with the patella tendon which can cause soreness and stiffness throughout the recovery process and even longterm stiffness when squatting to the floor.

It terms of pushing to hard with recovery. there isn't really such a thing. Once the graft and the removed tendon is healed after a few weeks. its about building the strength back up in the surrounding muscle groups. there are no real exercises to enhance the actual graft/repaired ACL.

My only concern is that he comes back to quickly in regards to running and lateral movements. If this is done to much or not done correctly between the 6-10month faze when he "feels" good but the reconstruction still needs time to heal, he may risk rupturing the ligament again.

hope that helps
 
kiwitexansfan said:
I can't see him being there at 4:1

My concern is he is pushing his recovery too hard and it might come back to bite him.

Any experts in that area?
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After my daughter had her ACL, her doctor wanted her up & exercising within 6-8 weeks of surgery. She started physical therapy a week after surgery & he said she should have been jogging & the like in that 6-8 week time frame.

Mett had surgery in January, & he's talking about dropping back & throwing a football in the middle of February... sounds like he's on shedule to me.
 
The more I watch Mettenberger, the more I fall in love with his receivers.
 
aussie_texan said:
where do y'all (see what i did there) see mett going. do you think he'll be available in the 3rd??
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I would be surprised if he is there in the 3rd. if he was rated a 1st rounder pre-injury and the recovery is going fine, he is still a 1st rounder. Even if he misses time as a rookie, that is not a reason not draft a guy if you truly think he is starting material long-term.
 
thunderkyss said:
The more I watch Mettenberger, the more I fall in love with his receivers.
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What I've been saying about mettenburger. Dude had 13tds and 8 ints with 2 top 40 nfl pro prospect at wr. Not only that,look at the catches and plays those guys made. His accuracy is beyond bad. If those were non draftable wrs,we wouldn't even have this talk about him being anymore than a 4th rd qb at best.
 
leebigeztx said:
What I've been saying about mettenburger. Dude had 13tds and 8 ints with 2 top 40 nfl pro prospect at wr. Not only that,look at the catches and plays those guys made. His accuracy is beyond bad. If those were non draftable wrs,we wouldn't even have this talk about him being anymore than a 4th rd qb at best.
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While I agree with this

He would go in the 2nd/3rd rd range due to, arm/He's smart and will interview great.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I would be surprised if he is there in the 3rd. if he was rated a 1st rounder pre-injury and the recovery is going fine, he is still a 1st rounder. Even if he misses time as a rookie, that is not a reason not draft a guy if you truly think he is starting material long-term.
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It'll be key if he can throw at all during his pro day.
 
WolverineFan said:
Solid throw. But that's a throw that every NFL QB is expected to make. CB trailing and Safety late coming over.....that should always be a TD in the NFL.
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I can tell you with over 80% accuracy where Matt Schaub would have put that ball.
 
aussie_texan said:
by no means an expert but i tore my ACL just over a year ago. and a good friend of mine is a doctor who gave a talk at a conference about ACL reconstructions and the best recovery methods. so maybe i can help a bit.

it takes about 4-6 months before the graft or the repaired ACL to "feel" 100% but takes up to 10-12months to be fully healed and in some cases up to 2 years for full "explosion" to come back.

Depending on whether he had a patella tendon or hamstring tendon graft makes a small difference. Most athletes go with the hamstring tendon as its an easier recovery process. There is less soreness than with the patella tendon which can cause soreness and stiffness throughout the recovery process and even longterm stiffness when squatting to the floor.

It terms of pushing to hard with recovery. there isn't really such a thing. Once the graft and the removed tendon is healed after a few weeks. its about building the strength back up in the surrounding muscle groups. there are no real exercises to enhance the actual graft/repaired ACL.

My only concern is that he comes back to quickly in regards to running and lateral movements. If this is done to much or not done correctly between the 6-10month faze when he "feels" good but the reconstruction still needs time to heal, he may risk rupturing the ligament again.

hope that helps
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thunderkyss said:
After my daughter had her ACL, her doctor wanted her up & exercising within 6-8 weeks of surgery. She started physical therapy a week after surgery & he said she should have been jogging & the like in that 6-8 week time frame.

Mett had surgery in January, & he's talking about dropping back & throwing a football in the middle of February... sounds like he's on shedule to me.
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Thanks guys.

I'm leaning towards Mett at 2:1 if we pass up on the QB3 at 1:1
 
Zach Mettenberger Scouting Report: NFL Outlook for LSU QB
Positives
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Negatives
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NFL Comparison: Philip Rivers, QB, San Diego Chargers

Collegiate Statistics
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/480251/zach-mettenberger

Personal Notes

Team captain as a junior and senior
Led his JUCO team, Butler (Kan.) Community College to an 11-1 record and national championship berth in 2010
Pled guilty to two sexual battery charges after an incident at a bar in March, 2010
Kicked off Georgia team in 2010 for violating team rules
Graduated with a degree in general studies

Overall

A traditional pocket passer with prototypical size and a rocket arm, Zach Mettenberger looks the part of an NFL quarterback. He showed tremendous progress as a senior under offensive coordinator Cam Cameron before falling victim to a late-season knee injury. While his lack of mobility is sure to turn some teams away, he projects well into a vertical offense that emphasizes attacking downfield.

Draft Projection: Second-Third Round
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