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Zach Mettenberger, QB LSU

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Greg Cosell, Adam Caplan, Mettenberger, Ron Jaworski grinding film.

Zach is Cosell's 2nd ranked QB in this year's draft.

A little off topic... but it makes sense that every team has a different QB board right?

Some teams are going to value athleticism more than others. Some teams value smarts. Some teams want a mature QB who knows all the basic. Some teams want a guy who threw a lot of balls, ran a no huddle, & was a threat to run. Some teams are going to like that pocket passer.

So depending on who has the first pick, or who takes the first QB, that first guy changes.
 
A little off topic... but it makes sense that every team has a different QB board right?

Some teams are going to value athleticism more than others. Some teams value smarts. Some teams want a mature QB who knows all the basic. Some teams want a guy who threw a lot of balls, ran a no huddle, & was a threat to run. Some teams are going to like that pocket passer.

So depending on who has the first pick, or who takes the first QB, that first guy changes.

Exactly.

There are 32 boards out there that count and hundreds that don't.

Fans place entirely too much emphasis and give too much credit to the hundreds that don't.

There are going to be some teams that have Bortles as the top guy and some that have Manziel and some that have Bridgewater or McCarron or Mettenberger or whatever. And then there are going to be teams that don't even have those guys on their board because they don't see them as fitting what they want to do at all.

The boards the 32 teams have don't have 500 guys on them, they've only got about 100 or so and they concentrate on people they see as having the right skills and potentials to be on their team and do what they want to do.
 
Let`s get Zach in the 6th round... seriously though, there are a lot of reasons to be scared of him, I wouldn`t touch him in the first 3 rounds (and not all of these reasons are medical, his play leaves plenty of questions as well).
 
Is it a big deal, CnD?

"Did it flare up in his career? Yes. We would treat it and he'd be fine," Marucci said. "It wasn't something we thought was a chronic disc or something. He doesn't need surgery. There's no surgery for it. He's worked with our doctors. This shouldn't be a big deal as long as you treat it, we did some core stabilization. His senior year, we didn't even talk about it."
 
Unfortunate news about his back issues. I am also curious as to whether this is going to rule him out. How bad is it Cloak?
 
Is it a big deal, CnD?

Most people would recognize the condition under the name "degenerative disc disease." Five % of the population has it and never known it. Other people can have it diagnosed and virtually have no symptoms. And others can have it with variable levels of symptomatic presentation.......pain, numbness, weakness and loss of muscle coordination.......essentially "pinched nerve" symptoms.

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As the process progresses various cartilage and boney surfaces of opposing vertebrae are worn away, leading to progressive arthritis and, when severe enough..........vertebral fusion.

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However, this is typically a condition that occurs more in an aging population. Mettenberger is certainly not an octagonarian. So we have to look to trauma as the source of the degeneration. In a normal population, spondylosis can be controlled with attentive conservative treatment. Heavily trauma-exposed NFL players are not the "normal population." There is one very important fact that we don't know at this point..........at what anatomic level is the spondylosis located (and how many levels of individual vertebrae are involved). The reason this would make a difference is that if he is experiencing the problem at the thoracic level, affect on performance, likely hood of significant progression, and need for surgery would be quite uncommon. This is not the case for cervical or lumbar spondylosis, which is more likely to be more difficult to treat conservatively, leading to significant loss of playing time, and then eventually to possibly surgery.
 
Interesting. I have degenerative disc disease (didn't realize they were the same thing) and it's pretty much a life in pain for me. I don't see how this man could have a lengthy career even under the best of circumstances if he's just starting out in the NFL and this is already a problem.

That's a damn shame.
 
Most people would recognize the condition under the name "degenerative disc disease." Five % of the population has it and never known it. Other people can have it diagnosed and virtually have no symptoms. And others can have it with variable levels of symptomatic presentation.......pain, numbness, weakness and loss of muscle coordination.......essentially "pinched nerve" symptoms.

spinal_disc_hernia.jpg



As the process progresses various cartilage and boney surfaces of opposing vertebrae are worn away, leading to progressive arthritis and, when severe enough..........vertebral fusion.

facetjoints2_250-BB.jpg


degenerative_disc.jpg



However, this is typically a condition that occurs more in an aging population. Mettenberger is certainly not an octagonarian. So we have to look to trauma as the source of the degeneration. In a normal population, spondylosis can be controlled with attentive conservative treatment. Heavily trauma-exposed NFL players are not the "normal population." There is one very important fact that we don't know at this point..........at what anatomic level is the spondylosis located (and how many levels of individual vertebrae are involved). The reason this would make a difference is that if he is experiencing the problem at the thoracic level, affect on performance, likely hood of significant progression, and need for surgery would be quite uncommon. This is not the case for cervical or lumbar spondylosis, which is more likely to be more difficult to treat conservatively, leading to significant loss of playing time, and then eventually to possibly surgery.
Ah. hell...take a shot and get back out there!!!! :sarcasm:.... Great post. Thanks for all the info.

This doesn't scare me off if he's available in the 4th or later. That seems like a reasonable risk/reward spot, especially when you consider the Texans' success with 4th and later draft picks. :smiliepalm:
 
Interesting. I have degenerative disc disease (didn't realize they were the same thing) and it's pretty much a life in pain for me. I don't see how this man could have a lengthy career even under the best of circumstances if he's just starting out in the NFL and this is already a problem.

That's a damn shame.
My wife has this same thing and is in constant, debilitating pain. I was found to have this in a recent MRI and I have zero back pain. I had sciatica issues years ago, quit carrying a fat trifold wallet in my back pocket and haven't had a back issue since. backs/spines are weird ducks. I'd risk a 3rd day pick on the guy and not worry about it at all. The diluted drug test doesn't worry me, either.
 
Lack of mobility and ball placement worry me more than watered down urine and the back issues.

I had Mettenberger as 3rd/4th rd pick. Now he's a solid 4-1.
 
Lack of mobility and ball placement worry me more than watered down urine and the back issues.

I had Mettenberger as 3rd/4th rd pick. Now he's a solid 4-1.
Hmmm. Before the back issue, I'd be good with him at 2.1. I think he has lots of potential. Maybe I'm just partial to SEC QB's, though. I like Manziel, Murray and McCarron a lot, too.
 
I think he has lots of potential. Maybe I'm just partial to SEC QB's, though. I like Manziel, Murray and McCarron a lot, too.

I'm not. But this year, it just happens that the best QBs have that one thing in common.

Best QBs in my mind. I don't know what's going on with the media ratings this year. All upside down & backwards if you ask me.
 
I'm not. But this year, it just happens that the best QBs have that one thing in common.

Best QBs in my mind. I don't know what's going on with the media ratings this year. All upside down & backwards if you ask me.
??? Not sure what you're getting at.
 
Hmmm. Before the back issue, I'd be good with him at 2.1. I think he has lots of potential. Maybe I'm just partial to SEC QB's, though. I like Manziel, Murray and McCarron a lot, too.

WHy are you partial to SEC QB"s when they aren't the elite best usually. Their defensive players are, but the SEC isn't known for it's outstanding QB's.
 
So, Mettenberger or McCarron I think today. Wonder which one they'll grab? My brain says McCarron but my gut says Mett. I'd rather have Mett's even with the back issue and diluted urine sample, and knee injury, and #8, and the funky Lil' Abner beard and expression.....

But I bet it's game-manager McCarron (which I have no problem with)

I think we move up to grab a QB today. We got all that ammo in round 6 and 7 and I think we spend some of it swapping 4.35 for something higher. We've seen Bridgewater nabbed in front of us, Polo nabbed in front of us, and now I think they finally grab the guy they've "been wanting all along". They'll say that whether it's true or not of course.
 
So, Mettenberger or McCarron I think today. Wonder which one they'll grab? My brain says McCarron but my gut says Mett. I'd rather have Mett's even with the back issue and diluted urine sample, and knee injury, and #8, and the funky Lil' Abner beard and expression.....

But I bet it's game-manager McCarron (which I have no problem with)

I think we move up to grab a QB today. We got all that ammo in round 6 and 7 and I think we spend some of it swapping 4.35 for something higher. We've seen Bridgewater nabbed in front of us, Polo nabbed in front of us, and now I think they finally grab the guy they've "been wanting all along". They'll say that whether it's true or not of course.

The problem is we can't swap 4.35 since it is a comp pick (can't be traded).

I think we just have to wait (and hope) until our pick.
 
Damn! Forgot about that. Well, guess we'll have to wait and see what happens then.

Yeah, it is a bummer. But I think we have a decent chance that one of the QBs drop- Murray, McCarron, Mettenburger, Savage. Those are 4 guys who have been discussed as 3rd-5th rounders. Each possess qualities that make them intriguing. And, not to cross-contaminate threads, but I would prefer any of those guys to Keenum.
 
Yeah, it is a bummer. But I think we have a decent chance that one of the QBs drop- Murray, McCarron, Mettenburger, Savage. Those are 4 guys who have been discussed as 3rd-5th rounders. Each possess qualities that make them intriguing. And, not to cross-contaminate threads, but I would prefer any of those guys to Keenum.

Honestly, I don't care who the QB is as long as we get one (or already have one) that BoB likes and wants to groom. Winning a super bowl is more important that our individual likes and dislikes at any one position.
 
So, Mettenberger or McCarron I think today. Wonder which one they'll grab? My brain says McCarron but my gut says Mett. I'd rather have Mett's even with the back issue and diluted urine sample, and knee injury, and #8, and the funky Lil' Abner beard and expression.....

But I bet it's game-manager McCarron (which I have no problem with)

I think we move up to grab a QB today. We got all that ammo in round 6 and 7 and I think we spend some of it swapping 4.35 for something higher. We've seen Bridgewater nabbed in front of us, Polo nabbed in front of us, and now I think they finally grab the guy they've "been wanting all along". They'll say that whether it's true or not of course.

In the back of my mind I'm thinking this is the day we find out that O'Brien liked Savage all along and will let him come to us.

Just a hunch 'cause I don't even know the janitor. Or his gardner.:kitten:
 
Hopefully they don't lay a finger on McCarron and especially Mettenberger. Mettenberger should be a UDFA. McCarron would be about as good as Andy Dalton or Alex Smith at best. I have no idea why anyone would want to waste years on a guy who would ultimately hold the team back when it came down to a point if they rest of the team is really good. Those are the absolute worst QB's to have on your roster. Being just good enough to keep around and hope that they'll be a big time player one day, but ultimately never will. That was Matt Schaub to a T.
 
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