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Zach Mettenberger, QB LSU
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Thanks! I wished I had focused more on him during the season but saw him as a immobile type QB. Still if we have a good Oline, I do not want my QB scrambling much anyway. If those who did watch Mett could offer their opinions on him, I'd appreciate it. He definitely has size and arm.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
The one thing that stands out to me is that he seems to have the clock in his head and that "Spidey-sense" thing that you can't seem to teach. He isn't mobile in the sense that Bridgewater is mobile but he's got the ability to buy a little time in the pocket with a few steps. Now many people won't agree with me but the athletic mobile guy you can find in a lot of guys who play QB as an "athlete". The running QB is really a guy who has a more common skill (that mobility we're talking about) often pared with good arm and (hopefully) some of those intangibles we all want in our passer.
The guy who can move around in the pocket, stand up tall and throw as the walls come down around him has what I think is a rarer gift. When I see a QB step deftly to one side and avoid a threat without even seeming to look at the guy crashing the pocket I'm more impressed than when one of the newer more mobile guys rips off a run. Manning and Brady both have that. A lot of times it seems like the better QB's rarely ever get hit by surprise even when they're hit from behind. That clock in their head and the spatial awareness are huge. It's like in the back of their mind they're tracking all the pieces moving on the field, even the ones they can't actually see.
You can't teach it. You can beat it out of somebody but you can't seem to instill it in them. Not completely. You can work on that clock with a QB but if he doesn't naturally have that going for him he'll slowly fall back on what he does. David Carr always looked like he was surprised when he got hit. He didn't seem to know it was coming. His little brother has a bit of that to him as well. Brady, Manning, Ben, and a number of others seem to know it's coming right before it gets there. Not every single time of course but most of the time.
I see that in Mettenberger. I think he's going to be a good one.
The guy who can move around in the pocket, stand up tall and throw as the walls come down around him has what I think is a rarer gift. When I see a QB step deftly to one side and avoid a threat without even seeming to look at the guy crashing the pocket I'm more impressed than when one of the newer more mobile guys rips off a run. Manning and Brady both have that. A lot of times it seems like the better QB's rarely ever get hit by surprise even when they're hit from behind. That clock in their head and the spatial awareness are huge. It's like in the back of their mind they're tracking all the pieces moving on the field, even the ones they can't actually see.
You can't teach it. You can beat it out of somebody but you can't seem to instill it in them. Not completely. You can work on that clock with a QB but if he doesn't naturally have that going for him he'll slowly fall back on what he does. David Carr always looked like he was surprised when he got hit. He didn't seem to know it was coming. His little brother has a bit of that to him as well. Brady, Manning, Ben, and a number of others seem to know it's coming right before it gets there. Not every single time of course but most of the time.
I see that in Mettenberger. I think he's going to be a good one.
Blake
MMQB
My mistake I wasn't clear, but Stool is the subsequent pick to Mettenberger.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I do too. Shame about the ACL, but he seems to be ahead of schedule.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664450/zach-mettenberger
****
I dunno, but sounds to me like a BOB sort of QB ?
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
I know nothing about what he's got between the ears? Important.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Sorry still not clear, are you saying he could sit on stool while play developes or as I took it he is as mobile as a stool?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
With the 33rd pick in the NFL draft, the Houston Texans select Stool.
Some folks want Mallett and he's a recliner .
TexansFTW
Veteran
Zach Met will be a middle of day 2 prospect and will NOT succeed in the NFL.
I see Arizona Cardinals, MAYBE Rams or Bengals. If he rolls around to the 3rd then it's just whoever didn't draft a QB yet in the top 11.
Save this post. We will revisit in 2 years and I will give you life advice at that time.
I choose the stool.
I see Arizona Cardinals, MAYBE Rams or Bengals. If he rolls around to the 3rd then it's just whoever didn't draft a QB yet in the top 11.
Save this post. We will revisit in 2 years and I will give you life advice at that time.
I choose the stool.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
His father/grandfather are/were engineers. I read a link in another thread.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
With the 33rd pick in the NFL draft, the Houston Texans select Stool.
I apologize, but I really didn't think of furniture when you wrote Stool. I think I spent too much time cleaning up after SHASTA III while at UH.
We used stool to describe what is described in the wild as scat.
No, you cant seem to get over your TB mancrush enough to fairly evaluate other QB's. I don't want Mettenberger, but I like him as much as TB. Mallett is my guy. If BO'B signs off on Mallett.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
The stool might work for Mettenberger.
Yi Jianlian got drafted at #6 overall in the NBA based on his play against a chair.
Yi Jianlian got drafted at #6 overall in the NBA based on his play against a chair.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I believe there is a high probability that Zach Mettenberger will be a first rd draft pick, thanks to Cam Cameron. The good news for Mett is he was only able to spend 1 year with a quality OC and QB coach. Zach has more room for development and as a result a higher ceiling. All IMHO.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If he is there at round 3 #65 and healing on schedule would you select him?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I would... if we don't select a qb round 1, he's the #1 guy i would target in the later rounds...
Texian
Hall of Fame
No, based on assumption Texans go QB in RD 1. Texans need to address depleted DL and RDs 2 and 3 are their best opportunities.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
I like Metteberger most of the hypothetical 2nd tier QBs. If we are going with a second tier guy he is who I want.
bhsman
Rookie
For the sake of this thought experiment, let's say we grab Clowney and an OT in the first two rounds. If Mett was available at the top of the third, what would you say then?
badboy
Hall of Fame
So in your scenario, QB is a must in first? or are you saying if a QB is 1-1 then no to Mett in 3rd? I would agree with the latter as without extra picks we should not double dip on QBs.
See bhsman above.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Sure, if it played out. However, I don't think Mett sees the 3rd RD and if he doesn't you have no QB. The Texans could draft 3 Clowneys but if they don't have a QB nothing would matter.
Texian
Hall of Fame
In a QB driven league when your team does not have a QB, a QB is a MUST with the first pick in the draft.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
Cons
Needs to learn to throw it away when nothing is there
Only decent pocket presence, needs to feel the pressure better
Not exceptionally mobile
Makes some risky throws
Concerns about his ability to win the big game and close ones
This sounds like a certain QB I have watched for the last 7 years. Gosh, what was his name? It rhymes with Matt Schaub.
bhsman
Rookie
Oh please. :mariopalm: If Schaub had Mett's arm strength, we wouldn't even be talking about taking a QB this draft.
EDIT: The Pros:
-Ball placement and sharpshooter accuracy
-Makes good decisions under duress
-Takes what the defense gives him
-Constantly making adjustments to offense, even in run game
-Prototypical stature
-Rocket arm, can make every throw in the book, as well as absolutely drill it into a tight window
-Experience in pro style system, both under center and from shotgun
-Has faced toughest competition routinely
-Quick Decisions
-Good field vision and progression
-Marked Improvement from 2012-2013
-Team Captain and a clear leader
-Tough, takes a lot of hits
-High ceiling
TexansFTW
Veteran
Who did HE beat?
FYI...I watched enough of him because I know there is gonna be "You don't know what you're talking about and you didn't watch him play" cop out responses.
I don't care if members of his line got injured.
Peyton lost 3 lineman this year, couple pro bowlers and he is still in the Super Bowl.
Tyler Bray was huge and had a Rocket arm and could stand in the pocket too.
Maybe it was his come from behind victory against Arkansa.... oh wait... that wasn't him...
Everyone lights up A&M's HORRIBLE defense, so with that said...
So who did he beat? He plays in a conference with the best competition. What GOOD team could you say, "wow, LSU won that game because of Mett, not because of their dominant D".
FYI...I watched enough of him because I know there is gonna be "You don't know what you're talking about and you didn't watch him play" cop out responses.
I don't care if members of his line got injured.
Peyton lost 3 lineman this year, couple pro bowlers and he is still in the Super Bowl.
Tyler Bray was huge and had a Rocket arm and could stand in the pocket too.
Maybe it was his come from behind victory against Arkansa.... oh wait... that wasn't him...
Everyone lights up A&M's HORRIBLE defense, so with that said...
So who did he beat? He plays in a conference with the best competition. What GOOD team could you say, "wow, LSU won that game because of Mett, not because of their dominant D".
Texian
Hall of Fame
Careful now, tread lightly, you don't want to undermine your main man who played beside the #1 defense in college football.
bhsman
Rookie
Before I start working through T-FTW's terrible post, here is a decent writeup on Mett.
Serious question: You seem to be posting with a lot of anger here, are you frustrated about something? I'm not sure what bug crawled up your butt and died to make you so angry about Mettenberger, but Mettenberger threw well (in 2012) against Alabama (specifically the game last year where the offensive line and Mettenberger started showing more consistency), South Carolina, and Miss. St.
In 2013, he started the season playing well against TCU's passing defense (before their offense blew up for the rest of the season), out-scored the eventual SEC champs in Auburn, had an amazing game against a bad Georgia defense (so he performed well where expected), played well against Alabama until the offensive line just stopped giving a ****, etc. His only real head-scratcher came against Ole Miss where he three three INTs, but those ended up being on deep balls where he got too greedy.
You seem intent on pointing out that Mettenberger played against poor defenses as if he were the only one. Bridgewater faced poor defenses all year, and Jameis Winston's Seminoles faced an even weaker schedule than Ohio State, who had a laughably weak schedule.
I wonder how much you've watched to come to such an antagonizing conclusion. Maybe you're just poor at this?
This is such a gigantic stretch of logic that I won't even point out how stupid it is that you are directly comparing Mettenberger to Peyton Manning and then getting pissy about it. Wow.
I don't think Tyler Bray was known as a very accurate passer who made good decisions, so between this and your Peyton reference congratulations on making terrible analogies I guess?
Are you stupid? Are you seriously docking Mettenberger for getting injured near the end of the game, and thus nullifying all that he did up to that point and then throwing all the responsibility for the win at Jennings feet? Jennings played well, considering the circumstances, but my goodness this is a stupid, stupid comment to make.
Please don't make conclusions like this when you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.
Serious question: You seem to be posting with a lot of anger here, are you frustrated about something? I'm not sure what bug crawled up your butt and died to make you so angry about Mettenberger, but Mettenberger threw well (in 2012) against Alabama (specifically the game last year where the offensive line and Mettenberger started showing more consistency), South Carolina, and Miss. St.
In 2013, he started the season playing well against TCU's passing defense (before their offense blew up for the rest of the season), out-scored the eventual SEC champs in Auburn, had an amazing game against a bad Georgia defense (so he performed well where expected), played well against Alabama until the offensive line just stopped giving a ****, etc. His only real head-scratcher came against Ole Miss where he three three INTs, but those ended up being on deep balls where he got too greedy.
You seem intent on pointing out that Mettenberger played against poor defenses as if he were the only one. Bridgewater faced poor defenses all year, and Jameis Winston's Seminoles faced an even weaker schedule than Ohio State, who had a laughably weak schedule.
I wonder how much you've watched to come to such an antagonizing conclusion. Maybe you're just poor at this?
This is such a gigantic stretch of logic that I won't even point out how stupid it is that you are directly comparing Mettenberger to Peyton Manning and then getting pissy about it. Wow.
I don't think Tyler Bray was known as a very accurate passer who made good decisions, so between this and your Peyton reference congratulations on making terrible analogies I guess?
Are you stupid? Are you seriously docking Mettenberger for getting injured near the end of the game, and thus nullifying all that he did up to that point and then throwing all the responsibility for the win at Jennings feet? Jennings played well, considering the circumstances, but my goodness this is a stupid, stupid comment to make.
Please don't make conclusions like this when you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.
TexansFTW
Veteran
Serious question: You seem to be posting with a lot of anger here, are you frustrated about something?
I wonder how much you've watched to come to such an antagonizing conclusion. Maybe you're just poor at this?
This is such a gigantic stretch of logic that I won't even point out how stupid it is that you are directly comparing Mettenberger to Peyton Manning and then getting pissy about it. Wow.
I don't think Tyler Bray was known as a very accurate passer who made good decisions, so between this and your Peyton reference congratulations on making terrible analogies I guess?
Are you stupid? Are you seriously docking Mettenberger for getting injured near the end of the game, and thus nullifying all that he did up to that point and then throwing all the responsibility for the win at Jennings feet? Jennings played well, considering the circumstances, but my goodness this is a stupid, stupid comment to make.
Please don't make conclusions like this when you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Thank you.
lol, self admitted die hard LSU fan, of course you say I'm aggressive while you go out of your way to attack me.
Generally the biggest people on the internet are the smallest in real life. I'll let you have this one tough guy, I know when something isn't worth it.
If anyone else wants to answer I'll be interested in what yall have to say.
bhsman
Rookie
You came out of nowhere swinging your e-peen and letting everybody know that SOMEONE wasn't going to buy into the sick Mettenberger hype! It was seriously unprompted. Hell, I didn't even touch your "Mett will not succeed!" post and you went out of your way to refer to me, so you must be itching to be told how dumb you are.
Back up your arguments with facts or kindly get bent. Griping about someone not putting up with your crap on the internet doesn't count.
You know sometimes you have decent takes but they get lost on your ***** ass attitude. If you didn't act like and D- bag more people would engage you.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
So tell me why he basically stockpiled his tds vs furman,uab,and kent state? What about 3int vs fla? Pinpoint accuracy? 2 nfl caliber recievers to throw to and you only hit 64% in college. I don't see why people are even looking at zach until th mid 3rd rd. As I've said before,I see bortles,TB,and manziel. I can even understand the smokescreen king derek carr, but zach metternberger?.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Yeah. Zach Mettenberger. Wouldn't any good QB stockpile his TD's against those teams? I don't understand the angle of looking down on a guy for doing well against teams he's supposed to do well against. Makes no sense to me.
But that's just me. I don't live and die with this stuff and don't understand why people are fighting over takes on players we'll have no input in actually selecting. I didn't think the scouting report on Mettenberger that was posted in here was all that great (He "takes what the defense gives him" and he "needs to learn to throw it away when nothing is there"? Which of those guys is he?) but no big deal. Just one guys opinion. That's all any of this is.
The 64% completion percentage doesn't both me all that much. Looking at his college career in it's entirety I think last year was a big step forward and I think he's set to build on that.
But that's just me. I don't live and die with this stuff and don't understand why people are fighting over takes on players we'll have no input in actually selecting. I didn't think the scouting report on Mettenberger that was posted in here was all that great (He "takes what the defense gives him" and he "needs to learn to throw it away when nothing is there"? Which of those guys is he?) but no big deal. Just one guys opinion. That's all any of this is.
The 64% completion percentage doesn't both me all that much. Looking at his college career in it's entirety I think last year was a big step forward and I think he's set to build on that.
TexansFTW
Veteran
Absolutely nothing wrong with beating down on lesser competition. You're supposed to do that if you wanna go pro.
The argument raised was that was the ONLY competition he'd done it too, that and A&M (who hasn't) in wins for the team.
I can definitely argue that he had a great game against Georgia, the same team Tahj Boyd had a great game against too, but the difference between him and Boyd is that Clemson won and LSU lost. Not a knock on him, per say, cause he had a very good game, but I don't see many/any very good games in key WINS his final year under the NFL system of Cam C.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
So Cam Cameron shows up, puts him in an NFL style offense (which I assume means the entire offense got a new, arguably harder to digest system) and he only has the best year of his collegiate career in said system.
I'd say it looks to me like we'd be discussing Zach with Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles if Cam had arrived at LSU one season earlier (and if Zach hadn't been hurt).
But to get back on track, so in his (and his teams) first year in this system he didn't dominate the best teams on his schedule in arguably the toughest conference in college football?
I'm OK with that.
Those other guys played in the same system they'd been in since arriving on campus correct?
I think Mettenberger has a lot of upside and I'm not advocating that the Texans take him at 1-1. That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure they'll take Bridgewater there but if they don't. If they decide to take a shot at Clowney instead then I think Mettenberger could be a steal with their next pick.
If they're thinking that then I hope someone is paying very close attention to his rehab. The injury doesn't worry me. What worries me these days with things like this is whether or not they're getting put back together properly.
I'd say it looks to me like we'd be discussing Zach with Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles if Cam had arrived at LSU one season earlier (and if Zach hadn't been hurt).
But to get back on track, so in his (and his teams) first year in this system he didn't dominate the best teams on his schedule in arguably the toughest conference in college football?
I'm OK with that.
Those other guys played in the same system they'd been in since arriving on campus correct?
I think Mettenberger has a lot of upside and I'm not advocating that the Texans take him at 1-1. That makes no sense. I'm pretty sure they'll take Bridgewater there but if they don't. If they decide to take a shot at Clowney instead then I think Mettenberger could be a steal with their next pick.
If they're thinking that then I hope someone is paying very close attention to his rehab. The injury doesn't worry me. What worries me these days with things like this is whether or not they're getting put back together properly.
bhsman
Rookie
I'm more than happy to talk tape or a player's deficiencies, but when someone wants to make some overtly-conclusive statement like a player will flat-out not succeed and so on, well piss off.
I tried to get you to talk about the specifics of Kollmann's interview, specifically his play breakdown and what Bridgewater does pre-snap, but you refused and only wanted to badmouth him without providing evidence other than some immense hurt feelings over his criticism of Manziel.
Hell, I tried offering you an olive branch in sharing disagreement with Kollmann over his criticisms of Manziel, pointing out that 'lofting it up to Evans' is lazy analysis and telling you in the Manziel thread to ignore leebigztx because he tends to make weird accusations about a player and then ignore when someone points him out as wrong. If you're still pissy about that argument, you have nobody to blame but yourself for your initial overreaction and refusing to come down from it.
You're seriously going to dock Mettenberger for 'stockpiling' TDs against lesser competition? Do you also take away Teddy's touchdowns against such collegiate greats as Ohio (5 TDs), Eastern Kentucky (4 TDs), FIU (4 TDs), and South Florida (3 TDS)?
As for the accuracy, they're referring to Mettenberger's ability to throw his wideout's open as a useful skill; I was unaware that 64% on the season was a terrible thing, though TexansFTW's direct comparison of Mettenberger to Peyton "****ing" Manning earlier in the thread should have jaded me enough.
Oh come on, that's ridiculous. LSU's offense scores 'only' 41 points, and you lay it at the feet of the quarterback?
TexansFTW
Veteran
See bolded above. I appreciate your thoughts and sounding off and respect your opinion.
You still crying over my remarks about that intern? :vincepalm:
I didn't over react to anything. The guy made several rediculous remarks not only about Manziel but also about Bridgewater. That is all I needed to hear. Like I said before listen to him all you want I have better things to do.
Obviously you have some immense hurt feelings over my criticism of the INTERN. You can't seem to let it go. You act as if I insulted your lover.
Oh, my bad.leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Dude threw 11 of his 22tds vs furman,kent state,and uab. In the sec he had 11 tds and 8 ints despite having 2 wrs who will be drafted in the top 40 players. Not only that, go look at the type of catches they were making. This isn't eli or cutler playing with inferior players,this is a lsu offense that has top flight players. Look at how the alabama game ended when he was folding up in the pocket. No pocket presence,feel, or mobility. He has a great arm,but slow feet. He can't reset,turn and fire when teams get him off his spot. Even big guys like flacco,mallett,and glennon can do this even with the big arms they have. Don't mistake slow feet with athletic ability. You don't have to be a good athlete to have good feet. Slow feet is matt schaub/matt barkley problem and that why they have tgrouble with pressure.
Hervoyel
BUENO!
Just don't agree with you on the guy but don't see any point in going further. I like Mettenberger and you don't. If we take him you better hope I'm right. If we don't I'll feel better about us passing if you are.
bOODRO87
Time Consumer
You still crying over my remarks about that intern? :vincepalm:
I didn't over react to anything. The guy made several rediculous remarks not only about Manziel but also about Bridgewater. That is all I needed to hear. Like I said before listen to him all you want I have better things to do.
Obviously you have some immense hurt feelings over my criticism of the INTERN. You can't seem to let it go. You act as if I insulted your lover.
I don't agree with bhsman's post too much, but holy ****, way to take the cake for the most unnecessary, woman-nagging-like posts about football.
Sort of the AJ McCarron argument. Neither had to carry the team (ala Manziel or Bridgewater).
If the Texans don't go QB in the 1st (which I think is unlikely), I prefer Fales out of San Jose State. But, do the Texans already have a Fales-type in Keenum? Scared of Mettenberger, a statue that could be more immobile after a knee injury. I think the Texans need to get the QB in the 1st, and I'm pretty sure they will.