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Your opinions on Texans draft changing?

steelbtexan said:
What do you think about using this yrs draft to fix the offense since the draft is deep on the offensive side of the ball. (Excluding QB) Then draft heavy on defense in 2014 since rookies can make an impact on defense more often than on offense. That would make the team more formidable.
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For the most part , this team is built to win now. I'd like to solve as many problems as possible this offseason .... and make a real run in next years playoffs (hell this one too).

I'd like at least one guard and a RT in this offseason .... that I think fixes the offense other than the QB spot. The recievers have been open .... I think at least one of Posey or Martin makes a big step next season. Posey has been pretty solid the last few weeks and made the most of his opportunities.


Also how would you feel about Matt Flynn as a stop gap if Schaub cant get the job done? He ran the WC offense for the Packers. As an aside he's for Tyler. (Looking forward to seeing the Tyler Rose on Saturday)
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Not a fan of Flynn .... I'd rathet try to get Alex Smith on the cheap. He's very much like Schaub other than the fact he can move around a bit. He ran a very similar offense in SF too .... I know most dont like him , but you cant argue with his results the past two seasons 20-5 as a starter. Tho Im sure other teams lacking at QB will be after him ..... Arizona ?

What do you thnk about moving Barwin to ILB next yr? The thought of Cushing and Barwin appeals to me and the run defense would look much better.
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I dont know if Barwin stays or goes .... but if he stays , its as an OLB. If one of the OLB's was to move inside , I'd think it would be Reed as he's a more natural fit inside than Barwin who's more of a speed guy IMO.
 
My two cents: I think Newton will be RT starter as RG develops it will help him as Wade Smith helped Brown. Let's not forget that bit of history. We run mostly to the left as we should with two pro bowlers. I think Brooks locks in RG and Jones begins to learn at backup to Myers. Wade God love him will play out LG and we draft one 2013 to replace him in '14. I have Arkansas Alvin Bailey in third. Recently I have tried to tweek my newest mock but really like it. May post when season ends, hopefully not tomorrow.

I really want to see how Ruud and Routt do. Should see a lot of the first and some of the latter.
 
Corrosion said:
The last six weeks of this season has definately changed my thoughts on the draft .... Six weeks ago , I was on board with a top draft pick at NT/DT , now that focus has shifted to fixing a broken OL where despite Wade Smith making a probowl appearance , I think at least three positions are lacking in LG , RG and RT.

Add to the above the fact that five of the Texans top eight defensive backs will be FA's .... There are also needs at OLB & ILB due to injury and looming free agency.

These positions ....would be my focus in both FA and draft moves , I'd also like to address QB but dont see how with Schaubs contract and not having a premium pick to work with.

NT / DT has almost fallen off the radar for me , below is how I'd rank the needs going into the FA period and the draft:

OG - At least one as neither position has been particularly strong the last third of the season.

RT - Newton has been solid in pass protection but pathetic in run and screen plays. I like him as a swing tackle , not a starter.

DB - Both S and CB with so many possible free agents , you can never have engough good DB's.

ILB - James was a stop gap for a year , the depth has been hurt with injuries , both Dobbins and James are FA's. Sharpton finishing a third consecutive season on IR.

OLB - Barwin's pending FA and the lack of production from the position overall. JJ Watt needs some help up front.


QB - This would be my primary need but with Schaubs contract , a team built to win now and no premium pick or means to move up to one , its just not logical. Need to look real hard at the scrap heap of FA to find a viable plan B should Schaub continue to falter.
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right there with you, though i think our rookie guards will be significantly better next season with the amount of time they're getting now. brooks seeing the field at all this year is HUGE to me, it means kubiak has confidence that brooks is putting in the work and digesting the playbook. if he can get it going, brooks has an absolute excess of potential. wade will probably return next season and i like jones to back up the interior (or hopefully replace wade), though the next backup needs to be found. newton is the weak link and it has nothing to do with anyone around him, as you said a pretty solid swing tackle, but not a starter.
 
I would go BPA at a need position unless someone fell that was too good pass on (as previously stated). I think we desperately need to upgrade our OL and pass rush/LBs. I think CB and S depth is important as well.
 
nice extension for Schaub but writing is on the wall, if there is any chance to grab a franchise QB, if Kubiak wants to keep his job along with Rick Smith? They should take him now. this is the most drastic change IMO :kubepalm:
 
what are the peoples thoughts on fluker playing guard?
awesome at run blocking terrible at pass protection.
i was thinking play him at RG next to newton so we can run the ball better on that side and move brooks to LG who i think has been doing quite well for a rookie. Jones isnt on the same level of brooks and needs to move to back up centre and be the understudy to myers
 
aussie_texan said:
what are the peoples thoughts on fluker playing guard?
awesome at run blocking terrible at pass protection.
i was thinking play him at RG next to newton so we can run the ball better on that side and move brooks to LG who i think has been doing quite well for a rookie. Jones isnt on the same level of brooks and needs to move to back up centre and be the understudy to myers
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Why not take a true OG that plays both sides each game & is proficient at both run and pass blocking? Alvin Bailey who should be available to us in third. Fluker should go before our second.
I see him more in a power blocking O but want to point our my mock partner Beerlover likes him. BL is damn good on evaluating linemen.
 
I'd love to find a QB with our first pick, but that would mainly be if we could trade up picks to get one. Not sure if this is a great QB draft. I'm not sure about drafting some 2nd or 3rd rounder, but I do think that QB is becoming a big need now.
 
I think Yates is our best chance of replacing Schaub in 2014. None of the draft picks do much for me.
 
also didnt anyone catch that quin played a lot of nickle CB and Keo was in the game a lot more.
Still think Keo is a good special teamer and back up and certainly not a starter. maybe safety but have to become more of a priority with we play more 3 safety packages
 
aussie_texan said:
also didnt anyone catch that quin played a lot of nickle CB and Keo was in the game a lot more.
Still think Keo is a good special teamer and back up and certainly not a starter. maybe safety but have to become more of a priority with we play more 3 safety packages
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I noticed Keo screwing up. I like Darrius Slay replacing him. I like Keo's efforts at combine but he sucks as an NFL player.
 
aussie_texan said:
hopefully we keep quin. more of a priority then barwin
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I'm down with Quin and Barwin is playing some better IF he accepts a very low deal, I could agree and open a draft pick on my board. We just need sacks from OLBs in Wade's system. Barwin has another chance to win me over. Mitchell at NT and Brandon Harris looked much better imo. I compare Harris to KJ in his second year with Jackson getting much more time on field. If Harris has same improvement next year, I'll be mucho latte happy.
 
What do you guys think about going after mauluga?

The fans there seem convinced he won't be back, and I can understand why. But from our. Perspective, he certainly has more ability than the guys we have outside of Cushing. He will likely be cheap...he's still young and we wouldnt need him for coverage...instead of playing in a 43 he'd be in an attacking 34 which will probably play to his strengths more. Maybe with some good coaching and bring in a good system he could become a good starting lb for us. He is already pretty good against the run. Would be one less hole to fill via a high pick in the draft plus having him and Cush together again would be pretty cool.

Both Those guys are pretty athletic and like to get physical...I think it'd help our run defense out a lot.

Thoughts?
 
badboy said:
I think Yates is our best chance of replacing Schaub in 2014. None of the draft picks do much for me.
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Well he might be our best chance at trying someone new, but replacing Schaub's offensive numbers is something I don't think that Yates will ever do consistently. You know my feelings on Yates, but if we don't go after anyone next season, then I do hope that Kubiak gives Yates a legit chance to compete for the job. I still think that Schaub will win it, but Schaub's play as of late has opened the can of worms that yates could "possibly" match what Schaub could do, or even do better perhaps. I think it's doubtful, but either way I'd absolutely hate to think of Yates being the guy going forward. I don't think he'd ever be an elite guy or high end passer in this league. I watched several young QB's really tear it up this year on teams without elite WR's, so that tells me that other QB's could possibly do that, but I don't think Yates has that ability. But going forward from now, he "might" have the ability to play better then Schaub. Earlier this season, I would have never made that statement.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well he might be our best chance at trying someone new, but replacing Schaub's offensive numbers is something I don't think that Yates will ever do consistently. You know my feelings on Yates, but if we don't go after anyone next season, then I do hope that Kubiak gives Yates a legit chance to compete for the job. I still think that Schaub will win it, but Schaub's play as of late has opened the can of worms that yates could "possibly" match what Schaub could do, or even do better perhaps. I think it's doubtful, but either way I'd absolutely hate to think of Yates being the guy going forward. I don't think he'd ever be an elite guy or high end passer in this league. I watched several young QB's really tear it up this year on teams without elite WR's, so that tells me that other QB's could possibly do that, but I don't think Yates has that ability. But going forward from now, he "might" have the ability to play better then Schaub. Earlier this season, I would have never made that statement.
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Yates would not have to match Schaub's numbers to successfully replace him, necessarily. I don't think Matt is going anywhere before 2014.
 
beerlover said:
nice extension for Schaub but writing is on the wall, if there is any chance to grab a franchise QB, if Kubiak wants to keep his job along with Rick Smith? They should take him now. this is the most drastic change IMO :kubepalm:
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Yep,

And if he falls to late in the 1st rd I would take a chance on Bray. He's a top 5 talent but has footwork/needs to grow up issues. But he wouldn't be there for the Texans to pick without these issues. Then try to use Tate and a 3rd to move up in the middle of the 2nd rd and draft Hopkins. Then take the Texans 2nd and pck the best OT. Winters/Pugh would be my choice. If this were to happen the Texans wouldn't be struggling to score TD's like they are now.

S is the biggest need on defense. They need to re-sign Quin and pick a S with the 3rd supp. pick. What S do you like in the 3rd rd range? I like Duke Williams/Swearinger/Shamarko Thomas. They seem like they would be good fits on Wades defense. The reason I dont rank NT as high as you do is most teams play 60% nickle so a NT wouldn't be on the field as much as a nickle S. The defense could certainly use an upgrade over Demps/Keo.

Thoughts
 
steelbtexan said:
Great player,

Wafford is more of a fit in a power scheme like the Cowboys instead of a ZBS scheme. IMHO
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^^^This^^^

If your looking for an OG for the Texans I'd look at:
Jonathan Cooper-OG, we won't take a 1st round OG and will be gone by our pick in the 2nd.
Dallas Thomas-OG/OT, might be available in the 2nd round but doubtful.
Gabe Jackson-OG, athletic build like an OT, 2nd round, he'll be gone by our pick in the 3rd..
Cyril Richardson-OG/OT, 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Alvin Bailey-OG, possibly available in the 3rd.
Braden Hansen-OG/C, in the 4th or 5th round, 4 yr. starter at BYU.
Blaize Foltz-OG, in the 4th-6th round.

Some OT's we might convert to an OG:
D.J. Fluker-OT, great run blocker, to slow for NFL OT.
Ricky Wagner-OT, both RT and LT but I think he could be a good LG.
Kyle Long-OT/OG, lots of potential and very athletic, 2nd or 3rd round.
Xavier Nixon-OT, athletic but inconsistent, probably a good LG or swing OT in the 3rd-5th.
 
badboy said:
I think Yates is our best chance of replacing Schaub in 2014. None of the draft picks do much for me.
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There's more than a few quarterbacks in this upcoming draft who have more talent and potential than Yates. I will say this. They do all have question marks and Yates has time in the system which would give yates the early advantage.

So you are right in saying that Yates has the best chance at supplanting Schaub next year. If Kubiak comes to his senses and figures out that playing it safe and Starting Schaub isn't gong to cut it against the big boys he should start the process this offseason f finding a new QB.

If I were Kubiak or Smith. Whomever is in charge, I would begin looking at current backups and seeing what the value is out there. If there is none the next step would be the draft. Like you said there doesn't seem to be any safe guys in this draft so Schaub may have to suffice another year. Unless of course Yates can step up.

I would seriously consider trading our first round pick this year for a first round next year. That way when there are better prospects available we would have some good bargaining chips to maneuver up to get who we really want.
 
Still think we need to focus on defense early. Yes, we were without Cushing this year but I fully expect Brady to expose us again this weekend. We need help in the secondary.

I really like Matt Elam (S, Florida). I say let Barwin walk and re-sign Quin. Hopefully we can re-sing McCain too.

Quin can play S and some Nickel and Elam can play in those 3 Safety sets. Heavy upgrade over Demps/Keo is badly needed. I see Quin as our future FS and Elam as our future SS in that scenario. Manning has been good for us but I don't expect him to live out that contract. We need a playmaker at Safety.
 
I think the Texans will probably focus on RT, LB, and NT/DE in the draft. We drafted Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks last year and I think one of them will take over the RG spot for good next season. We don't have anyone at tackle though. Newton is adequate but probably best suited as a backup.

Our LB corps just sucks now. Barwin, Reed, and Mercilus are okay and I'm fine with two of them as starters next year but ILB is a mess. We've been destroyed by injuries but even before that we had Cushing and no one. James should be let go or benched. Sharpton can't stay healthy. Dobbins is a backup. Ruud is a stop-gap solutions.

Cody and Antonio Smith are adequate starters but if someone better is available for either of their positions then they can be relegated to the bench or released.
 
Corrosion said:
With the possible rules changes coming .... might not be a bad idea to get some power guys.
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Excepting Myers, I think we have an oline that can power block, just need to change the scheme. In fact, I think Newton and Brooks would do better.
 
WolverineFan said:
Still think we need to focus on defense early. Yes, we were without Cushing this year but I fully expect Brady to expose us again this weekend. We need help in the secondary.

I really like Matt Elam (S, Florida). I say let Barwin walk and re-sign Quin. Hopefully we can re-sing McCain too.

Quin can play S and some Nickel and Elam can play in those 3 Safety sets. Heavy upgrade over Demps/Keo is badly needed. I see Quin as our future FS and Elam as our future SS in that scenario. Manning has been good for us but I don't expect him to live out that contract. We need a playmaker at Safety.
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I like Elam too, I now would like to see us take Elam, or Vaccaro in the first, Preferably Elam. Our third safety is on the field enough to be considered a starter. Second round we could go after Margus Hunt from SMU as insurance for Barwin.
 
coon said:
I like Elam too, I now would like to see us take Elam, or Vaccaro in the first, Preferably Elam. Our third safety is on the field enough to be considered a starter. Second round we could go after Margus Hunt from SMU as insurance for Barwin.
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Hunt would play DE in our system. Rush LB has huge star power this year but isn't as deep as past years. I don't think we need a top guy to replace Barwin. That's why we drafted Mercilus. A guy I really like for us is Travis Long from Washington State. Could be had in the 3rd-4th round.

I would love a draft like this:
1) Matt Elam - S, Florida
2) Robert Woods - WR, USC
3) Andrew Jackson - ILB, Western Kentucky
3comp) Travis Long - OLB, Washington State
4) Kyle Long - OT, Oregon
 
WolverineFan said:
Hunt would play DE in our system. Rush LB has huge star power this year but isn't as deep as past years. I don't think we need a top guy to replace Barwin. That's why we drafted Mercilus. A guy I really like for us is Travis Long from Washington State. Could be had in the 3rd-4th round.

I would love a draft like this:
1) Matt Elam - S, Florida
2) Robert Woods - WR, USC
3) Andrew Jackson - ILB, Western Kentucky
3comp) Travis Long - OLB, Washington State
4) Kyle Long - OT, Oregon
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Any news on the knee injury that ended Long's season? I also had him mocked until then. He played thru a torn labrum with shoulder popping out.
 
WolverineFan said:
Hunt would play DE in our system. Rush LB has huge star power this year but isn't as deep as past years. I don't think we need a top guy to replace Barwin. That's why we drafted Mercilus. A guy I really like for us is Travis Long from Washington State. Could be had in the 3rd-4th round.

I would love a draft like this:
1) Matt Elam - S, Florida
2) Robert Woods - WR, USC
3) Andrew Jackson - ILB, Western Kentucky
3comp) Travis Long - OLB, Washington State
4) Kyle Long - OT, Oregon
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Hunt could play either spot in our system. He is very, very athletic. Do you think Elam is substantially better that Vaccarro. I flip flop on which one of those two I prefer alot. In my mock I have Vaccaro because of his size, but my other post I say Elam. It's ridiculous.
 
badboy said:
Any news on the knee injury that ended Long's season? I also had him mocked until then. He played thru a torn labrum with shoulder popping out.
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Haven't heard much. Supposedly won't be ready for combine but should be ready for next season.
 
coon said:
Hunt could play either spot in our system. He is very, very athletic. Do you think Elam is substantially better that Vaccarro. I flip flop on which one of those two I prefer alot. In my mock I have Vaccaro because of his size, but my other post I say Elam. It's ridiculous.
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Substantially better? No. They both carry a 1st round grade. My big thing with Vaccarro is that, although he may be good at everything, he's not great at anything. Elam is a playmaker. I think he's better against the run and the pass than Vaccarro. Has better ball skills too. Vaccarro has better measureables.
 
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