Young's performance vs. USC = overrated

[Youngstown Colt]

This thread is simply the backlash from the VY hype that hit this board after this game. After watching the game, I immediately told people that he will get incredibly hyped, and people will hate him for it. People will then start to try to tear him down and pick apart his accomplishments.

His rose bowl performance, all hype aside, was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen. I'm not sure how that can be denied.

People are gonna talk about Vince like he's Chuck Norris, but the opposition has to learn to keep things in perspective too.

 

[AustinJB]

I am a huge football fan, but I will not give them the benefit of the doubt forever....Bottom Line, you don't draft Vince Young, I will not cheer for this team! If you want to call it holding the franchise hostage, fine, whatever it takes. In the end, drafting him is the only smart business decision, as if somebody like me, who has been extremely loyal to every team I've ever been a fan of is willing to walk away, there are 100s of 1000s of others just like me. They don't get to choose. They lost their privileges by making bad decisions for 4 years. Bob Mcnair save the franchise, take Young, and create another potential America's team or lose me/us forever!!!

Before anyone even says anything like "you're not a true fan" or "blah, blah, blah" realize this: people that are football fans in Houston have had a long, miserable history, I think all would agree that is true. People aren't going to be as loyal to this team as they were to the Oilers b/c they've only been around for 4 years. The decisions that the front office makes has to get better or they will lose fan support.

And whether or not everyone agrees with this perspective, it doesn't matter. Although you may feel like these people are giving up their loyalties too soon, that doesn't matter either. You don't even have to like these people. But the fact remains that from a marketing standpoint and from Bob McNair's standpoint, he DOES have to listen to this kind of outcry from the fans b/c it will affect him and the team financially. He MUST take the majority of the fans consensus seriously.

 

[Mr. White]

Before anyone even says anything like "you're not a true fan" or "blah, blah, blah" realize this: people that are football fans in Houston have had a long, miserable history, I think all would agree that is true. People aren't going to be as loyal to this team as they were to the Oilers b/c they've only been around for 4 years. The decisions that the front office makes has to get better or they will lose fan support.

And whether or not everyone agrees with this perspective, it doesn't matter. Although you may feel like these people are giving up their loyalties too soon, that doesn't matter either. You don't even have to like these people. But the fact remains that from a marketing standpoint and from Bob McNair's standpoint, he DOES have to listen to this kind of outcry from the fans b/c it will affect him and the team financially. He MUST take the majority of the fans consensus seriously.

..Not to mention, it would be a great gesture of good faith to the AVERAGE Houston/ Texas football fan (=people that don't necessarily hang out on these MB's.)

Before anyone says "good faith gestures don't win Super Bowls"... save it. I'm aware. This is an aspect of the argument that CANNOT be ignored whether you think it should or shouldn't. There will always be a local conception that the Texans blew it by letting VY go.

And, on a personal note, I wouldn't mind it happening so my local Austin affiliate doesn't pull the Texans again for another Colts blowout. We didn't see the Texans play here for what I'm guessing was the last 4 games (give or take.) That never happens with the Cowboys games in these parts.

 

[texplayer2]

Before anyone even says anything like "you're not a true fan" or "blah, blah, blah" realize this: people that are football fans in Houston have had a long, miserable history, I think all would agree that is true. People aren't going to be as loyal to this team as they were to the Oilers b/c they've only been around for 4 years. The decisions that the front office makes has to get better or they will lose fan support.

And whether or not everyone agrees with this perspective, it doesn't matter. Although you may feel like these people are giving up their loyalties too soon, that doesn't matter either. You don't even have to like these people. But the fact remains that from a marketing standpoint and from Bob McNair's standpoint, he DOES have to listen to this kind of outcry from the fans b/c it will affect him and the team financially. He MUST take the majority of the fans consensus seriously.

The Majority of fans don't speak out period. They will sit and watch the game as presented by the ownership and complain or cheer according to what happens in the game. It is usually a smaller portion of the fan base that calls into radio stations and MB's as an outlet for their opinions.

 

[AustinJB]

And, on a personal note, I wouldn't mind it happening so my local Austin affiliate doesn't pull the Texans again for another Colts blowout. We didn't see the Texans play here for what I'm guessing was the last 4 games (give or take.) That never happens with the Cowboys games in these parts.

No joke. I was pissed when they started doing that. Especially when I was missing the St. Louis game b/c we were winning.....but then I saw the highlights right after the game and was kinda glad that I didn't have to witness that. LOL.

 

[Texans86]

To those who will give up on this team when we don't draft Vince Young, see you later, you won't be missed. I was able to go through a 2-14 season and still support my team. It can't get much worse than that outside of Detoit. I realize one player cannot take us from the doghouse to the Super Bowl, I wish you could see the same thing.

Edit: I'm sorry but I just looked up and saw the number of E-dawgs posts and had to chuckle. I realize you might be a die hard Texans fan who read the forum for a long tie before posting, but it looks like you joined after the Rose Bowl, and might be quitting after day day. I find humor in that.

 

[AustinJB]

To those who will give up on this team when we don't draft Vince Young, see you later, you won't be missed. I was able to go through a 2-14 season and still support my team. It can't get much worse than that outside of Detoit. I realize one player cannot take us from the doghouse to the Super Bowl, I wish you could see the same thing.

Edit: I'm sorry but I just looked up and saw the number of E-dawgs posts and had to chuckle. I realize you might be a die hard Texans fan who read the forum for a long tie before posting, but it looks like you joined after the Rose Bowl, and might be quitting after day day. I find humor in that.

First of all, I do realize that one player is not going to take us from the doghouse to the SB. I think that most of us realize that; we're just debating about who would be the biggest piece of the puzzle.

And BTW, I AM a die-hard Texans fan. Was a die-hard Oilers fan since I was a kid and I stood by them when they were breaking my heart year after year. Even followed them, like many did, when they went to Tennessee and barely lost the SB...that still hurt. But once the Texans org. began, I am loyal to them. I attend about 4-5 games a year with my uncle who has season tickets in Sec. 116. I've also been a LH fan since I was a kid.

Yes, I did just join the forum after the Rose Bowl, but I won't be quitting after draft day b/c there are some very interesting points and rumors that are all over the MB. I never even really knew about the forum b/c I was able to get enough information regarding the team elsewhere. But when VY declared, and Bush is expected to, I wanted to see what all the FANS thought, instead of what I was hearing on ESPN and FSN. I just wanted to see if there were others that felt the same as me in that if they don't take VY they'll be making a mistake and again, the Houston franchise, will be breaking my heart.

Even if they are making a mistake and VY goes elsewhere and is successful, I'll still be a Texans fan. I just don't want to have to look back and say "What were we thinking, we could've had him and again, Casserly blew it"

 

[Texans86]

First of all, I do realize that one player is not going to take us from the doghouse to the SB. I think that most of us realize that; we're just debating about who would be the biggest piece of the puzzle.

And BTW, I AM a die-hard Texans fan. Was a die-hard Oilers fan since I was a kid and I stood by them when they were breaking my heart year after year. Even followed them, like many did, when they went to Tennessee and barely lost the SB...that still hurt. But once the Texans org. began, I am loyal to them. I attend about 4-5 games a year with my uncle who has season tickets in Sec. 116. I've also been a LH fan since I was a kid.

Yes, I did just join the forum after the Rose Bowl, but I won't be quitting after draft day b/c there are some very interesting points and rumors that are all over the MB. I never even really knew about the forum b/c I was able to get enough information regarding the team elsewhere. But when VY declared, and Bush is expected to, I wanted to see what all the FANS thought, instead of what I was hearing on ESPN and FSN. I just wanted to see if there were others that felt the same as me in that if they don't take VY they'll be making a mistake and again, the Houston franchise, will be breaking my heart.

Even if they are making a mistake and VY goes elsewhere and is successful, I'll still be a Texans fan. I just don't want to have to look back and say "What were we thinking, we could've had him and again, Casserly blew it"

I appreciate your candor and hope you do stay with the board. Though we don't agree on Vince, I am glad to be around other fans who want this team to succeed even without Vince. What I was pointing out was that some of the names recently added to this board will only be seen making posts or adding posts to the "We should have drafted Vince" posts, and rarely seen on other discussion topics. I hope you wish, as I do, that the Texans managemnt make the best decision for the team, and if that is going with Vince then I support the team. Good luck to management on this decision, I have a feeling they are going to need all the support they can get in the coming months.

 

[AustinJB]

I hope you wish, as I do, that the Texans managemnt make the best decision for the team, and if that is going with Vince then I support the team. Good luck to management on this decision, I have a feeling they are going to need all the support they can get in the coming months.

That I agree with. We have differing views of what the best decision is, but I think we all have the Texans best interest in mind. And honestly, whichever way they go, nothing will be PROVEN for a while IMO.

 

[AustinJB]

All:VY had decent stats in a poor passing conference. Heck, even The Dream could pass for 300+ yards per game in the Big 12.

C'mon. That's the kind of comment that makes all the VY supporters feel like they have to negate Bush's abilities as well. I could say the same thing about Bush in his poor defensive Pac-10.

Bottom line is, they have both put up impressive numbers. Who will mean the most to their respective team is the real question.

Without VY, Texas would not have beat USC or won some of their other games for that matter. Take away Bush from USC and you still have Leinart and White, two other 1st rounders. I think that's why Bush put up a lot of his gaudy numbers, he had plenty of help. Not that VY didn't, but as an opposing defense every week there opponents were faced with different situations. Opponents facing USC knew that they had to worry about Bush, White, and Leinart. Opponents facing UT knew that they had to focus on stopping VY and yet he was still unstoppable.

 

[bigtex77]

"Possibly the greatest talent to come out of college from the QB position ever." - "Unbelievable raw talent, has great upside." - "There may never be another one like him." - Vince Young, right? Wrong. All of these statemants wre made about Michael Vick prior to the 2001 NFL Draft, don't tell me there will never be another Vince Young type, because there will be.

 

[Jack Bauer]

VY had decent stats in a poor passing conference. Heck, even The Dream could pass for 300+ yards per game in the Big 12.

Vince Young had the number one passer efficiency rating in the country during the regular season and finished with the number three passer efficiency rating after the bowl season. This only qualifies as DECENT? I am not biased, as I have not made up my mind. This is a ridiculous statement. Period.

 

[LCOOL]

Vince Young had the number one passer efficiency rating in the country during the regular season and finished with the number three passer efficiency rating after the bowl season. This only qualifies as DECENT? I am not biased, as I have not made up my mind. This is a ridiculous statement. Period.

Agree!

 

[touttail]

Does anyone listen to Charlie Pallilo anymore?

NOPE!!!!!!!!

Bobby 119C

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I like VY and think he is one heck of a player, but keep in mind that Fresno State put up 42 points vs USC. Fresno's offense dominated the USC defense, so don't get too excited about VY's performance, although it was great. And, if USC didn't have Bush, Fresno State would have won by 21 points. Look at VY's performance for what it is...a great performance vs. a horrible defense.

Also, please remember how good Carr was coming out of college, and beating teams like Wisconsin, Oregon State, Colorado, and putting up huge numbers against Michigan State...

REMEMBER...Carr became just the sixth quarterback in NCAA history to throw for 4,000 yards and 40 touchdowns. He had 4,839 passing yards and 46 touchdowns, both tops in the nation his senior season. Sick numbers, not to mention he was benching 400 lbs and squating 500lbs. The pro gam eis significantly different from college, so let's stay calm on the draft VY and dump Carr routine.

I am going to give an educated guess that you have never played in a championship game at any level of sports. The spotlight is pretty hot even in Junior High and gets exponentially hotter as you go up each level. This was the National Championship game with 100,000 fans watching at USC's home stadium with tens of millions watching on TV. You are more than welcome to share your opinion, but to ding VY for a great performance against a team that had not lost in 34 games is ludicrous. He just did what no one else ws able to against the two time defending national champions.

As far as Bush is concerned, he was not the only one that ran over FSU's defense.

 

[thunderkyss]

I couldn't agree more. I was planning on presenting this point myself. Glad I'm not the only one who sees it that way. I've always thought RB was a lot of hype just like all the VY haters on this board think about VY. IMO, if we don't take Vince, we DEFINITELY need to trade down. We don't need RB anymore than we don't need VY.

That's the crux of the issue right there. Plain and simple. If our organization isn't garunteeing that we are going to use the first pick to draft Bush(which hopefully is just part of their strategy to boost the value of the pick), then I for one, wouldn't be here, pushing for Vince. I would think it would be dumb to pass on Vince, but if we are doing the right thing, and building a football team, let's trade down. But if were building a media magnet, give me Vince.

 

[thunderkyss]

The only time I remember our offense even being successful was when he had more Options. The first two years, he had a TE Billy Miller, who was fairly successful and helped keep some pressure off Carr. The second year we got AJ and the sack totals went down. Since we have gotten back to AJ being our only threat the sack totals are arising again. A+B =C ergo we need more threats. The more a defense has to take care of the less effective they will be overall. Could get Carr a second or two more a few more times a game to make the plays and the passes we need.

Can you name the recievers and tight ends playing for New England?? I can't. How bout Detroit?? They've picked offensive threats for the last three years.

 

[thunderkyss]

To those who will give up on this team when we don't draft Vince Young, see you later, you won't be missed. I was able to go through a 2-14 season and still support my team. It can't get much worse than that outside of Detoit. I realize one player cannot take us from the doghouse to the Super Bowl, I wish you could see the same thing.

Edit: I'm sorry but I just looked up and saw the number of E-dawgs posts and had to chuckle. I realize you might be a die hard Texans fan who read the forum for a long tie before posting, but it looks like you joined after the Rose Bowl, and might be quitting after day day. I find humor in that.

Let's say you take one player off a team. Someone with real accomplishments, someone knocking down records, and moving up the all time list with every game he plays. A ProBowler, A superBowl Contender. Someone like Drew Bledsoe. He got cut from not one team, but two. In his place, put in an unproven Rookie.... Do you think that one player can make a difference now??


I don't think Vince will get us a SuperBowl, but he'd get us out of the Doghouse.

 

[Errant Hothy]

As far as Bush is concerned, he was not the only one that ran over FSU's defense.

As for VY, everybody else torched the Aggies through the air, except UT who nearly lost to the back-up QB. So whats the excuse for VY?

 

[Houston Fan]

I like VY and think he is one heck of a player, but keep in mind that Fresno State put up 42 points vs USC. Fresno's offense dominated the USC defense, so don't get too excited about VY's performance, although it was great. And, if USC didn't have Bush, Fresno State would have won by 21 points. Look at VY's performance for what it is...a great performance vs. a horrible defense.

So I assume you think the 30+ wins VY racked up in college were also against "horrible" defenses? It comes down to getting the Win and how you perform under pressure. You really think Carr is as consistant as VY? Heck, I'd be content if we took Leinart and got rid of Carr. You really think Carr has the leadership qualities that VY or Leinart would bring?

 

[Jack Bauer]

Can you name the recievers and tight ends playing for New England?? I can't. How bout Detroit?? They've picked offensive threats for the last three years.

So, you have never heard of Deion Branch or Ben Watson, eh? For Detroit, you haven't heard of Roy Williams or Marcus Pollard? Not that I would have used Detroit for your example, however.

 

[exclude]

I wouldn't say VY performance in the RB was overrated cause it was spectacular. But, I can guess from that performance in the Rose Bowl that those 'SC boys in the secondary probably aren't making it to the NFL.

And lets not forget, Pete Carroll blundered his way to a loss. C'mon, no spy on Young??? Vick has one, maybe two containment guy on him at all times and yet USC did not respect Young enough not to put a spy on him???

Stupid USC Coaching + Great Game from VY = VY Hype

 

[texplayer2]

Can you name the recievers and tight ends playing for New England?? I can't. How bout Detroit?? They've picked offensive threats for the last three years.

You are generalising our problems. New England has pretty good guys at those positions, but they also have Commercial Stars on their line and a good defense with Star linebacker back. Detroit is closer to our ability levels now, but they have a QB that the team and ownership isn't high on anymore, and have become 1-dimensional. All that talent at reciever and no one to get it there, which leaves the running back.(One good Option). I believe if Carr doesn't improve with more options this year, he would be in the same spot as Harrington is now. But as with Detroit, you have to give him a shot with some threats.

 

[HoustonFrog]

VY is overrated, and he will be another andre ware, health shuler etc Carr is the real QB, VY will be a bust!!!!!!!!!

Great response chuck full of facts to what my post was. Please stop your pure hatred. It is lame. David, go home and work on your throwing motion.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

As for VY, everybody else torched the Aggies through the air, except UT who nearly lost to the back-up QB. So whats the excuse for VY?

Do not need any excuses as it was a win along the way to a National Championship at a storied rivals stadium. If you are saying that a win at home for USC against FSU is equal to the UT/A&M rivalry, then I am not quite sure how we can have dialogue any longer.

 

[HoustonFrog]

Do not need any excuses as it was a win along the way to a National Championship at a storied rivals stadium. If you are saying that a win at home for USC against FSU is equal to the UT/A&M rivalry, then I am not quite sure how we can have dialogue any longer.

I agree. Why are people so heck bent on tearing up everyone of his games and saying that they show how bad he is?The bottom line is wins, something this franchise doesn't have enough us. The ironic thing is that many of thses people are Carr supporters. Why don't we go through his 4 year career and college and we will see some things too. We'll start with Cleveland, end of 2004. If you don't want the guy, fine, just stop hating because of the media hype. He is a good kid, just as Bush is. People take it way too personally.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Do not need any excuses as it was a win along the way to a National Championship at a storied rivals stadium. If you are saying that a win at home for USC against FSU is equal to the UT/A&M rivalry, then I am not quite sure how we can have dialogue any longer.

I full well know how heated the UT/A&M rivalry is, my dad and my grandfather are both UT grads; and I was told point blank I could go to any school in America and my parents would help me pay unless I went ot A&M.

But VY's performance sucked against a team a) he should have been way up to play, seeing it is a rival and the Heismen still hung in the balance and b) it was a game against an absolutly horrid, i think the worst in NCAA, pass defense.

Those were my points. Look at Bush against his team's instate rival. He only had 24 carries for 260 yards and 2 TDs. I would say he had a much better game against a tougher D, then VY did against A&M. And both were against instate rivals.

That was my point. And I think were past saying "Hey he won the game" cause right now wins mean little in evaluating a guy for an NFL program. ANd both guys were on teams that won, and if that was the only arguement , Bush has won more games then Vince.

 

[thunderkyss]

So, you have never heard of Deion Branch or Ben Watson, eh? For Detroit, you haven't heard of Roy Williams or Marcus Pollard? Not that I would have used Detroit for your example, however.

The point is that Deion Branch, and Ben Watson aren't burning up the highlight reals, I don't know, but I doubt they were 1st Round picks, they won't be shoe ins for the HOF, and their jersey won't be sported by rappers on MTV. All this to say you can get to the Big Dance, without big name offensive weapons, which is in reference to the post I quoted.

The Reference to Detroit is the exact opposite. They've picked offense threats with their 1st round pick three years running, and Harrington still has no one to throw the ball to.

And lastly I'll add, Harrington got two years to perform under similar circumstances that Carr has had, but it's time for Harrington to move on.

 

[thunderkyss]

You are generalising our problems. New England has pretty good guys at those positions, but they also have Commercial Stars on their line and a good defense with Star linebacker back. Detroit is closer to our ability levels now, but they have a QB that the team and ownership isn't high on anymore, and have become 1-dimensional. All that talent at reciever and no one to get it there, which leaves the running back.(One good Option). I believe if Carr doesn't improve with more options this year, he would be in the same spot as Harrington is now. But as with Detroit, you have to give him a shot with some threats.

None of the recievers on that team have shown they are any better than Armstrong, Gaffney, Bradford, or Mathis. But you're saying it's time for Harrington to go because he can't get the ball to them.... Yet Carr deserves another year?? Detroit is a better team, when the more mobile Quarterback is on the field....... Houston would be too.

If we do improve our O-Line, and give David a fair shot... and he doesn't get the job done, if we are making another excuse for him at the end of next year, I'd feel much better about this team, if we had Young sitting on our bench, instead of having to look to another mediocre pick that might do well, or hope that a team releases a good Quarterback, or try to defend a has been washup, that should have been out of the league years ago.

 

[thunderkyss]

I full well know how heated the UT/A&M rivalry is, my dad and my grandfather are both UT grads; and I was told point blank I could go to any school in America and my parents would help me pay unless I went ot A&M.

But VY's performance sucked against a team a) he should have been way up to play, seeing it is a rival and the Heismen still hung in the balance and b) it was a game against an absolutly horrid, i think the worst in NCAA, pass defense.

Those were my points. Look at Bush against his team's instate rival. He only had 24 carries for 260 yards and 2 TDs. I would say he had a much better game against a tougher D, then VY did against A&M. And both were against instate rivals.

That was my point. And I think were past saying "Hey he won the game" cause right now wins mean little in evaluating a guy for an NFL program. ANd both guys were on teams that won, and if that was the only arguement , Bush has won more games then Vince.

I think you're right. That overrated USC offense could only muster a 3 point lead in the last 6 minutes of the fourth quarter against that week UT offense who had so much trouble against A&M. That whole USC, 34(39??) straight wins, two time defending National Championship team is way overrated.

 

[Huge]

I full well know how heated the UT/A&M rivalry is, my dad and my grandfather are both UT grads; and I was told point blank I could go to any school in America and my parents would help me pay unless I went ot A&M.

But VY's performance sucked against a team a) he should have been way up to play, seeing it is a rival and the Heismen still hung in the balance and b) it was a game against an absolutly horrid, i think the worst in NCAA, pass defense.

Those were my points. Look at Bush against his team's instate rival. He only had 24 carries for 260 yards and 2 TDs. I would say he had a much better game against a tougher D, then VY did against A&M. And both were against instate rivals.

That was my point. And I think were past saying "Hey he won the game" cause right now wins mean little in evaluating a guy for an NFL program. ANd both guys were on teams that won, and if that was the only arguement , Bush has won more games then Vince.

UCLA's tougher D ranked 116th in the country in rush defense. Texas A&M ranked 117th in pass defense. Most impressive edge to Bush.

Or how 'about you look at a player's overall season instead of just one game to define his abilities? Would it be fair to point out Bush's performance against Washington (51 rushing yards, 18 receiving yards...Washington - 94th in total defense) and say he sucks because of it? No, it wouldn't be fair. Because the majority of Bush's games have shown he's got the ability...just as Young's does.

 

[Errant Hothy]

UCLA's tougher D ranked 116th in the country in rush defense. Texas A&M ranked 117th in pass defense. Most impressive edge to Bush.

But Bush performed in that game, with his team's title hopes on the line, and the Heismen on the line.

No...wait point conceeded, both D's sucked.

Or how 'about you look at a player's overall season instead of just one game to define his abilities? Would it be fair to point out Bush's performance against Washington (51 rushing yards, 18 receiving yards...Washington - 94th in total defense) and say he sucks because of it? No, it wouldn't be fair. Because the majority of Bush's games have shown he's got the ability...just as Young's does.

Agreed. Just sick of the post Rose Bowl love fest for VY.

 

[Errant Hothy]

I think you're right. That overrated USC offense could only muster a 3 point lead in the last 6 minutes of the fourth quarter against that week UT offense who had so much trouble against A&M. That whole USC, 34(39??) straight wins, two time defending National Championship team is way overrated.

YES! USC was overrated. Add to that they one have ONE BCS championship, which despite what USC and the AP says is the one that matters. And Auburn stood a real good chance to beat them last year, for that one.

USC ran a pro style D with very few pro caliber players. There D was overrated.

USC WAS/IS OVERATED!!!

Do not believe teh hype form ESPN.

 

[Bullpen Drew]

Sudds, who do you have to beat to not be considered overrated...Pass that crack this way...

 

[Errant Hothy]

Sudds, who do you have to beat to not be considered overrated...Pass that crack this way...

Me?

How about AUBURN, LSU who won the BCS title the year you claim to have won it, UT maybe. BEcasue running the table in the Pac-10 isn't that impressive.

The media hype around USC this year was insane, from the Gameday crew's blatant love to the series of could USC beat this great team from the past spots on ESPN. This year's team was not as good as last years, nor was at as good as the team from two seasons back.

 

[T-New41]

One thing to remember. Although USC's defense was a bit weak, they did lead the nation in creating turnovers. Fresno put up 42 points on them, but the also threw 5 picks that game.

Vince had 0 picks on 40 attempts vs the #1 turnover defense in the nation.

Reggie Bush put up decent numbers vs a very fast Texas defense that keyed in on stopping Bush (still not impressed w/ Bush as a kick returner). White was better suited to run the ball against a defense like TX.

Vince Young's performance was NOT overrated, by any STRETCH of the imagination. It is ridiculus to even suggest such.

 

[Errant Hothy]

Vince Young's performance was NOT overrated, by any STRETCH of the imagination. It is ridiculus to even suggest such.

Im not saying that he didn't play a great game. Althought that is a bit weak of a description.

BUT USC as a team was overated, but tha doen't distract from what VY did. And trust me I loved every second of it.

 

[T-New41]

Im not saying that he didn't play a great game. Althought that is a bit weak of a description.

BUT USC as a team was overated, but tha doen't distract from what VY did. And trust me I loved every second of it.

I agree the USC team was severely overated by the mediots. Their secondary was very good, but the LB's were terrible and the D-line was pretty bad too. When I saw an interview w/ the USC starting LB on ESPN, I knew they had no chance of tackiling Vince Young.

There are other factors to consider too however. The amount of pressure to perform in that game was huge. I would imagine the type of pressure could not be too far off from that of the superbowl.

I think it is a very important intangible to consider how one performs under pressure. And you really can tmeasur that at the Combine.

 

[MorKnolle]

I agree the USC team was severely overated by the mediots. Their secondary was very good, but the LB's were terrible and the D-line was pretty bad too. When I saw an interview w/ the USC starting LB on ESPN, I knew they had no chance of tackiling Vince Young.

There are other factors to consider too however. The amount of pressure to perform in that game was huge. I would imagine the type of pressure could not be too far off from that of the superbowl.

I think it is a very important intangible to consider how one performs under pressure. And you really can tmeasur that at the Combine.

I think UT outcoached USC too. USC kept sitting back in zones to contain Vince and let them throw the ball underneath all day, then they tried heavy blitzes and gave Vince big lanes to run thru rather than putting some pressure on buy keeping a spy on Vince or playing any man coverage. USC's offensive playcalling also was not very good for most of the game.

 

[Huge]

Im not saying that he didn't play a great game. Althought that is a bit weak of a description.

BUT USC as a team was overated, but tha doen't distract from what VY did. And trust me I loved every second of it.

As a team, USC was overrated (any team would be considering where they were being rated). But just as there are examples of how bad their defense sucks (Fresno State), there are also examples of how well their defense can play:

Oregon (18th in total offense) - 262 yards total offense, 13 points
Washington State (8th in total offense) - 284 yards total offense, 13 points
UCLA (23rd in total offense) - 275 yards total offense, 19 points

See what I mean? Compared to past USC defenses, they don't measure up. But they performed pretty well from time to time this year.

And in college football, if you hope to play for the MNC, the title is on the line every week...not just when it's against your rival. And the title was most certainly on the line January 4th and who would you say stepped up bigger in that game...Vince or Reggie?

 

[Big B Texan Fan]

Agreed. Just sick of the post Rose Bowl love fest for VY.

Well if VY would've never declared, then you'd be accused of being involved in the Bush lovefest while the rest of us are screaming for a trade down.

 

[Wharton]

My only real problem isn't even with him, it is just I don't want to wait 2-3 years minimum for him to get to the level that David Carr is at right now. I'd rather win right now than wait a few years for someone who may or may not become the player people expect him to and a quarterback that turns out to be a bust is much more damaging to a team than a RB or WR that turns out to be a bust.

The flaw in your analysis is this - VY is a better quarterback then DC is right now. DC is in his 4th year and he is still is not throwing the ball out of bounds to avoid a sack. If DC hasn't learned to do this by now, what makes you think that DC will ever be anything but a subpar QB. And, on top of DC being a poor quarterback, we simply do not have the players we need to compete. This team is 3 years away from being completitive with or without VY. It will never be competitve with DC.

 

[texplayer2]

I am a huge football fan, but I will not give them the benefit of the doubt forever. And yes, me, my 600,000 UT alumni demand they pick him or we won't ever cheer for this franchise. The last thing they gave us to cheer for was the friggin' Cowboys game 4 years ago. This is coming from a season ticket holder. Bottom Line, you don't draft Vince Young, I will not cheer for this team! If you want to call it holding the franchise hostage, fine, whatever it takes. take Young, and create another potential America's team or lose me/us forever!!!

Out of 600,000 UT ALUM how many are Cowboy fans? At the end of this rant you are talking about making us America's team? Sounds like you are already a Cowboys fan.

 

[texplayer2]

YES! USC was overrated. Add to that they one have ONE BCS championship, which despite what USC and the AP says is the one that matters. And Auburn stood a real good chance to beat them last year, for that one.
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You have to beat the best to be the best. THe BCS two years ago pitted #2 vs.#3. #1 Team and National Champs beat Michigan in the Rose. They beat Auburn that year 23-0 when they were ranked #1. Last year #1 faced #2 and Auburn has no claims. This year #2 Texas beat #1 USC to claim the title. All the other stuff is . USC as a team this year was every bit as good as Texas, they just lost by three points. They could actually be one of the best teams of all time. The only real comparisons can be made with teams in this new BCS mess. In the past Great teams might not have faced the best competion even in bowl games due to Conference affiliations.

 

[DynoMoxie]

Look at USC's schedule and Texas' schedule. Look at Matt Leinart's passing stats and Vince Young's passing stats (including completion percentage) all the stats. USC's known for its passing although it's always had great runningbacks. Texas' known for its running game although its had some very good receivers. I love all those people out there who continue to try to discredit Vince's ability to throw the ball. They're going to be crying though when Vince is making their NFL team eat it. I just hope those people aren't Texan fans. There are going to be a lot of people out there kicking themselves when Vince AGAIN proves all those doubting his abilities and potential wrong. I won't be one of those people.

 

[TreWardTxn]

For everyone who wants to call Young's Rose Bowl performance underrated that's your opinion, but you can not then turn around and endorse Reggie Bush for the number one pick. Young was by far the most formidable weapon on his team and the Trojans could not stop him on the other hand, Bush had an all-time performer in Leinart at QB and a first round draft pick in White carrying the heavy load for him and he couldn't lift his team to victory. if Bush couldn't be the X-factor for a team full of superstars, then what reason do we have to believe he will provide the Texans with that winning edge. The bottom line is, you got with the leader, the winner and find somebody who your players will believe in...