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Young Pro Day

I really dont think that anyone hates Vince Young...and if they do it has nothing to do with him, and only to do with the "Vince Young is God crowd" that is on the message board. I have to agree that I watched the Rose Bowl and was in awe of his performance but I am also not naive enough to think that he can do that in the NFL. He may have been a great college player but I take NFL scouts and front offices opinions in higher regards than to fans of a certain player on a message board.

Before the Rose Bowl....Texans fans were DREAMING about Reggie Bush, and then in 1 nite, Vince had a great game and this place became a Vince vs. Reggie war. The only thing wierd to me is that if we need a QB so bad that we must draft Vince why would we not go with the higher rated QB's in the draft..which by MOST peoples account is Matt Leinart...It only makes sense to take the best player at his position if you are drafting for that position right?

I posted earlier that I thought Vince would run a 4.54 because I have seen him run and it isnt 4.-4.4 material that we have heard he can run by some people on the board...I also said that he would be copping out if he didnt run at his pro day because he brings that element to the table as a QB...if all other QB's are running then why shouldn't he if he is the best? His reported 4.57? is quick but is similar to a player like Marcus Vick...fast but not lightning fast or electric...

This thread has totally gotten away from Texas' pro day and has become nothing but bashing of boardmembers of who said what and who hates who and what not...So can we get it back to talking about what the players did today :redtowel:
 
They were both interviewed for about 30s - 1 minute regarding Vince Young, and said that they were very impressed with his thorwing accuracy and arm strength, and that he was very active and athletic. The commentators went on to comment that he is a proven winner who is calm under pressure (as seen by his apparent 'boredom' during passing drills) and would definitely not rule out the possiblity of Young working out for the Texans in April and convincing them to draft him #1.

We all know that whether or not the Texans really want VY, its a good PR move to go out there and scout out the potential #1 draft choice. Are they going to take him #1? Are they trying to increase interest in him? Who knows, but lets not get into another endless debate about it
 
OMG. I was just watching Bob McNair on SC. He even sounds like some of you guys (speaking about VY throwing motion). He really sounds like he was schooled on what to say. He honestly gave that look like "I'm here but I was told not to say anything encouraging when a camera was put in my face." It's sad when the National Media can see that the owner was there only to make excuses not to draft this guy (according to Salisbury). Salisbury said he had an excellent workout.
 
kbourda said:
Should I even bother making a reply to this?
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Probably not productive.

Frankly JMO but folks are throwing around way, way too many accusations in the VY discussions. There are far less haters than alleged--everyone who discusses VY being anything less than perfect or the best ever or the only choice is not a hater. There are far less blind followers/UT blind fans than alleged as well--VY legitimately deserves to be considered by the teams at the top of the draft. IMO the discussion would be much better if folks would stop labeling, hurling insults, calling people racist, etc. and just discussed the subject without all the emotional baggage.
 
infantrycak said:
Probably not productive.

Frankly JMO but folks are throwing around way, way too many accusations in the VY discussions. There are far less haters than alleged--everyone who discusses VY being anything less than perfect or the best ever or the only choice is not a hater. There are far less blind followers/UT blind fans than alleged as well--VY legitimately deserves to be considered by the teams at the top of the draft. IMO the discussion would be much better if folks would stop labeling, hurling insults, calling people racist, etc. and just discussed the subject without all the emotional baggage.
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Very well said
 
Where are all the DD supporters? We were dreaming about drafting Bush ??!!?? It was all about how many OT's are coming out and why we drafted TJ instead of Jamal ( The Guy New Orleans drafted). What about DJ??? KC will never part with him . Oh how I hate what CC has done to our wonderful team!!!
 
kbourda said:
OMG. I was just watching Bob McNair on SC. He even sounds like some of you guys (speaking about VY throwing motion). He really sounds like he was schooled on what to say. He honestly gave that look like "I'm here but I was told not to say anything encouraging when a camera was put in my face." It's sad when the National Media can see that the owner was there only to make excuses not to draft this guy (according to Salisbury). Salisbury said he had an excellent workout.
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Was there a black helicopter hovering silently behind him? Maybe a couple guys in black suits wrestling an alien in the background. Or perhaps a guy standing on a grassy knoll with a rifle. Big foot? Area 51?

its all a conspiracy!

:spy:
 
Was listening to the radio on the way home and some dude Ketchum from rival sports was giving his take, here are some comments (I caught it in the middle):

- no one he talked to brought up the wonderlic
- Mean Joe Greene commented on VY playing with the crowd that if you can't have fun, then how will you have fun playing football.
- 55 out of 57 passes completed


- Ahmad Hall turned some heads with a great workout. May be a late 2nd day or FA now.
- Jon Scott's father said it was more important to go with the right team. They are planning on a 1st day call.

Not a lot here, but thought I would share.
 
infantrycak said:
Probably not productive.

Frankly JMO but folks are throwing around way, way too many accusations in the VY discussions. There are far less haters than alleged--everyone who discusses VY being anything less than perfect or the best ever or the only choice is not a hater. There are far less blind followers/UT blind fans than alleged as well--VY legitimately deserves to be considered by the teams at the top of the draft. IMO the discussion would be much better if folks would stop labeling, hurling insults, calling people racist, etc. and just discussed the subject without all the emotional baggage.
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Agreed, and even I do my part to perpetuate the mud slinging. Apologies to the good posters (and there are quite a few) for my role in the bickering.

Truth be told, I post because I enjoy talking football and learning with the good posters. Forgive me if I am still so easily amused as to take shots.
 
infantrycak said:
Probably not productive.

Frankly JMO but folks are throwing around way, way too many accusations in the VY discussions. There are far less haters than alleged--everyone who discusses VY being anything less than perfect or the best ever or the only choice is not a hater. There are far less blind followers/UT blind fans than alleged as well--VY legitimately deserves to be considered by the teams at the top of the draft. IMO the discussion would be much better if folks would stop labeling, hurling insults, calling people racist, etc. and just discussed the subject without all the emotional baggage.
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I agree with that. But I don't feel that most VY detractors won't be man or woman enough to admit that he indeed deserves to be considered for the #1 pick.
 
kbourda said:
OMG. I was just watching Bob McNair on SC. He even sounds like some of you guys (speaking about VY throwing motion). He really sounds like he was schooled on what to say. He honestly gave that look like "I'm here but I was told not to say anything encouraging when a camera was put in my face." It's sad when the National Media can see that the owner was there only to make excuses not to draft this guy (according to Salisbury). Salisbury said he had an excellent workout.
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I'm not trying to say your wrong or anything, but you should never use Salisbury as a source to anything, that guy is absolutely worthless.

He also said Young had unworldly arm strength or something like that and even the biggest Young homer knows he doesn't have a elite arm.

It doesn't matter what Sean is talking about he has to over hype it (I'm not talking about Vince's workout, because I didn't see it, just what he said about his arm strength). Sean is a tool, that has lost all credibility.
 
Grid said:
Was there a black helicopter hovering silently behind him? Maybe a couple guys in black suits wrestling an alien in the background. Or perhaps a guy standing on a grassy knoll with a rifle. Big foot? Area 51?

its all a conspiracy!

:spy:
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See, now you trying to be funny.
 
jerek said:
Agreed, and even I do my part to perpetuate the mud slinging. Apologies to the good posters (and there are quite a few) for my role in the bickering.

Truth be told, I post because I enjoy talking football and learning with the good posters. Forgive me if I am still so easily amused as to take shots.
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Does this mean we aren't going to need the virtual guilliotine? I hate mea culpas (not that I was looking for one). :)
 
kbourda said:
I read your post when this whole "Vince didn't wear a suit to see Bush, BS". You know I have no problem putting you on blast. I dare you to go back and read it.
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Okay, now I am confused. When you said Vince disrecpected the President I thought you were referring to Reggie Bush, whose nickname is the President. I thought you meant that I had stated Vince disrespected Bush somehow. Now, I see you were actually referring to his lack of suit and tie at the Whitehouse. To be honest, I had pretty much forgotten about that, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the reason I don't want him. I wasn't wild about that no. But, after thinking it over (ask Vinny, I discussed with him) I wasn't AS upset about it as it seemed in that post. At this point, here is how I feel:

I just don't want his fans to be Texans fans. Seriousely. 90% of them are arrogant childish jerks. Not all, but enough to wear and grate on my nerves. I have just had enough. I am waving the white flag. I surrender. You have made me do something I didn't think possible. Every man has his breaking point, his ephinany if you will, his straw that broke his camel's back. I am ready to turn on Vince just for the sheer pleasure of rubbing it in the T-Sips noses. And, yes, I was a big Vince, and UT fan all year, and was wildly happy when they won the Championship, but I almost now wish they hadn't so these numbskulls wouldn't have the pleasure.
 
Honestly.. I dont think Young needs to be considered for the #1 pick. I am not a Young hater. Meaning, i dont have any preconceived notions about him or groundless hatreds that keep me from thinking of him as #1 talent.

I dont like how he has presented himself, and I dont think he has the right skillset to be a #1 pick. If he wasnt from Houston, I doubt he would even be considered a possible top 5 pick. With New Orleans getting Brees.. Young will not be picked ahead of Bush, Lienart, Ferguson, or Williams. That leaves him as POSSIBLY the #5 pick. Green Bay isnt going to take him though.. so he will fall to #6.. San Fran isnt going to take him..so he will fall to #7. Oakland I see as the first real opportunity he has to get drafted. If Oakland doesnt take him..he MAY get grabbed by Arizona. If Arizona passes..he is out of the top 10.


That is my take on it. I dont need to go into WHY I think he isnt #1 talent.. ive gone over it before. Plus, I need to get to class :)
 
Carr Bomb said:
I'm not trying to say your wrong or anything, but you should never use Salisbury of a sourse to anything, that guy is absolutely worthless.

He also said Young had unworldly arm strength or something like that and even the biggest Young homer knows he doesn't have a elite arm.

It doesn't matter what Sean is talking about he has to over hype it (I'm not talking about Vince's workout, because I didn't see it, just what he said about his arm strength). Sean is a tool, that has lost all credibility.
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Anyone that knows me knows I abhor Salisbury. He made the comment based on what he saw. I hardly consider his words to be the "perse" Gospel, especially considering that he was a career journeyman/ 2nd string QB. So should I be worried that our HC was the same? J/K
 
Porky said:
Okay, now I am confused. When you said Vince disrecpected the President I thought you were referring to Reggie Bush, whose nickname is the President. I thought you meant that I had stated Vince disrespected Bush somehow. Now, I see you were actually referring to his lack of suit and tie at the Whitehouse. To be honest, I had pretty much forgotten about that, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the reason I don't want him. I wasn't wild about that no. But, after thinking it over (ask Vinny, I discussed with him) I wasn't AS upset about it as it seemed in that post. At this point, here is how I feel:

I just don't want his fans to be Texans fans. Seriousely. 90% of them are arrogant childish jerks. Not all, but enough to wear and grate on my nerves. I have just had enough. I am waving the white flag. I surrender. You have made me do something I didn't think possible. Every man has his breaking point, his ephinany if you will, his straw that broke his camel's back. I am ready to turn on Vince just for the sheer pleasure of rubbing it in the T-Sips noses. And, yes, I was a big Vince, and UT fan all year, and was wildly happy when they won the Championship, but I almost now wish they hadn't so these numbskulls wouldn't have the pleasure.
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Yep the guilliotine is going back in the closest. Maybe we can bring it out on the next blood boiling pro day, USC. :)
 
“I love this guy. He’s got a big arm,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said, the newspaper reported. “He was very impressive.”
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With the #1 pick the Houston Texans select VINCE YOUNG...





/sprints off with sub 4.5 40 burst

:stirpot: :)
 
kbourda said:
I agree with that. But I don't feel that most VY detractors won't be man or woman enough to admit that he indeed deserves to be considered for the #1 pick.
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Ya know what ...I'm certainly all for taking Vince with the pick. I think he's the truth.

But take him ...pass on him ...trade the pick ...hell even forfeit the draft ...You just gotta love the way this whole thing is playing out.

I mean, after the Rose Bowl ...Vince leaps from being a potential late 1st round early 2nd round pick to a LOCK for the top 3 picks.

He is rumored to have bombed on the Wonderlic (I never even heard of that thing til now) AND some key Free Agency moves with QBs and his stock plummets ...now he's maybe not even in the top 10 picks.

AND how does he respond??? He has a near perfect Pro Day ...runs a 4.5 40 ...completes 49 of 54 passes (2 of the INCs were drops).

WOW! Is anybody getting this on tape ...I want the DVD Collection, lol.
 
Tale Gator said:
“I love this guy. He’s got a big arm,” Texans coach Gary Kubiak said, the newspaper reported. “He was very impressive.”
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Hey Carr_Bomb! See what coach said! I tell you the truth, those career back up QB's!
 
kbourda said:
Anyone that knows me knows I abhor Salisbury. He made the comment based on what he saw. I hardly consider his words to be the "perse" Gospel, especially considering that he was a career journeyman/ 2nd string QB. So should I be worried that our HC was the same? J/K
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There's no doubt in my mind Vince has enough arm strength to get it done and be successful, but Sean made it sound like he was Elway, which isn't the case.

This is how Sean gets his opinions, he takes someone elses' opinions and then overhypes the same opinions.

He was probably interviewing many of those GMs and Coaches that were shown on the clip saying that Young had a impressive workout and showed solid arm strength (which he does, his arm is solid) and between the time his brain can processes that information and they stick a camera in his face, "Sean's opinion" is that Young has unhuman like arm strength. Sean is the biggest Hack on TV today.

Mel Kiper is the best because he can look through the hype if any player and can give you a well thought out and educated opinion of the true ability of a player and he actually knows what he's talking about.
 
I don't care but kbourda wife is hot. (that's a compliment) I can't focus on the discussions when you post a hottie like that.

Anywhoo. Young deserves whatever he can get, if it's a number 1 then fine, but it won't happen because we upped Carr. If we had not upped for Carr then yes I would definitely consider him on of the top two QB's in this draft. He lacks a few skills but really not too many QB's coming out of college don't. The only thing that I am skiddish about is how coaches are going to treat him and his style. If they try to conform him to a certain offensive philosophy based on the coaches way of thinking instead of using Youngs talents as they were in his senior year, then I think it's a wasted pick and will take many years for him to "get it".
 
kbourda said:
Hey Carr_Bomb! See what coach said! I tell you the truth, those career back up QB's!
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I just said he has a solid arm, big arm and unworldly arm (or whatever that tool said)-two different things
 
Carr Bomb said:
There's no doubt in my mind Vince has enough arm strength to get it done and be successful, but Sean made it sound like he was Elway, which isn't the case.

This is how Sean gets his opinions, he takes someone elses' opinions and then overhypes the same opinions.

He was probably interviewing many of those GMs and Coaches that were shown on the clip saying that Young had a impressive workout and showed solid arm strength (which he does, his arm is solid) and between the time his brain can processes that information and they stick a camera in his face, "Sean's opinion" is that Young has unhuman like arm strength. Sean is the biggest Hack on TV today.

Mel Kiper is the best because he can look through the hype if any player and can give you a well thought out and educated opinion of the true ability of a player and he actually knows what he's talking about.
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Well, I won't go that far and say Mel Kiper knows what he's talking about. I just like to hear the opinions of players (past and present) when talking about draft prospects.
 
kbourda said:
Well, I won't go that far and say Mel Kiper knows what he's talking about. I just like to hear the opinions of players (past and present) when talking about draft prospects.
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I'm talking about strictly commentators, Mel Kiper is the smartest one out there at fair evaluations

I agree past players can be insightful, but Sean is horrible, its almost funny listening to his preseason predictions then watching what happens to all his picks, I'm still waiting for him to walk naked from Bristol to D.C.
 
SESupergenius said:
I don't care but kbourda wife is hot. (that's a compliment) I can't focus on the discussions when you post a hottie like that.

Anywhoo. Young deserves whatever he can get, if it's a number 1 then fine, but it won't happen because we upped Carr. If we had not upped for Carr then yes I would definitely consider him on of the top two QB's in this draft. He lacks a few skills but really not too many QB's coming out of college don't. The only thing that I am skiddish about is how coaches are going to treat him and his style. If they try to conform him to a certain offensive philosophy based on the coaches way of thinking instead of using Youngs talents as they were in his senior year, then I think it's a wasted pick and will take many years for him to "get it".
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Hey thanks!

That's a concern with Young. The team he goes to will be vital (although not necessary) for his learning curve.
 
You should really go back and read some of the pieces Sean wrote about Vince, before the Rosebowl, you know he's from USC right, its almost laughable the tune he's singing now.
 
I don't think there are any conspiracies going around. I think the biggest haters are in the media. It seems like there are a lot of savvy football fans on here that have concerns about his game translating, love Bush or some other great prospect in this draft, want to get better quickly, and think Carr can be great/good enough. I'm not really concerned with media/pundit reports about VY, because the gametape and stats, the only empirical football data we have, testify to the strength of his game.

Concerning haters in the media, they're all about circulation and hits. As much as some people complain about Justice/McLain in Houston, the opposite is largely true in the national media. Texas antipathy goes a long way, especially in California right now (Cowherd), and Young is an outsider. He is an outgoing, inarticulate (to some), independent minded, inner city Houston kid with an inexperienced agent... do you think Steinberg would let these harsh and oftentimes inaccurate reports slide? He's an easy target. After all the praise he got after the Rose Bowl (which he seemed to earn), he's getting torn down. Part of that is desperate writers, part of that is NFL poker-playing. Look how quickly his passing success has been dismissed? Huh?
 
SESupergenius said:
I don't care but kbourda wife is hot. (that's a compliment) I can't focus on the discussions when you post a hottie like that.

Anywhoo. Young deserves whatever he can get, if it's a number 1 then fine, but it won't happen because we upped Carr. If we had not upped for Carr then yes I would definitely consider him on of the top two QB's in this draft. He lacks a few skills but really not too many QB's coming out of college don't. The only thing that I am skiddish about is how coaches are going to treat him and his style. If they try to conform him to a certain offensive philosophy based on the coaches way of thinking instead of using Youngs talents as they were in his senior year, then I think it's a wasted pick and will take many years for him to "get it".
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New Orleans picked up Brees and they are STILL rumored to have an interest in Lienart. Now if that be true ...certainly the Texans could still have an interest in Young ...even with David Carr.
 
Carr Bomb said:
You should really go back and read some of the pieces Sean wrote about Vince, before the Rosebowl, you know he's from USC right, its almost laughable the tune he's singing now.
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You can say that about over 75% of the nation. I've seen em'. I've seen em' all. I have a very good memory (ask Porky).
 
kbourda said:
I agree with that. But I don't feel that most VY detractors won't be man or woman enough to admit that he indeed deserves to be considered for the #1 pick.
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Now this has something to do with manhood? I am going to assume that you were not trying to call "detractors" out by insulting their "manhood," which has little to nothing to do with intelligence and the ability to form a wise opinion. Moving past that ...

Honestly, I think that because of his potential, VY should receive mention and discussion for the #1. That is easy to say. But I'm not sure that - even if we were Carr-less, looking at starting Ragone this year - I would support us drafting Vince over Leinart or Cutler. If by "considered" you mean exactly that - considered - then of course, I agree with you, he should be considered. That's where it stops for me, after consideration.
 
Tha_Tinman said:
New Orleans picked up Brees and they are STILL rumored to have an interest in Lienart. Now if that be true ...certainly the Texans could still have an interest in Young ...even with David Carr.
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Though that could be true in the Saints case, in our case, I don't see it. Brees has 10 mil guaranteed for 1 year. After that, all bets are off!
 
Tha_Tinman said:
New Orleans picked up Brees and they are STILL rumored to have an interest in Lienart. Now if that be true ...certainly the Texans could still have an interest in Young ...even with David Carr.
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Brees' contract is structured in a way that it is in effect a one year deal with an option to extend it to a six year deal. Carr's contract is structured much differently.
 
kbourda said:
You can say that about over 75% of the nation. I've seen em'. I've seen em' all. I have a very good memory (ask Porky).
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Thats true, I loved seeing the rug pulled out from underneath them. I taped the "Greatest team ever" crap they shoved down our throats for a week and taped the Rosebowl right behind it, about every two weeks I put it on, I never get tired of watching that tape.
 
jerek said:
Now this has something to do with manhood? I am going to assume that you were not trying to call "detractors" out by insulting their "manhood," which has little to nothing to do with intelligence and the ability to form a wise opinion. Moving past that ...

Honestly, I think that because of his potential, VY should receive mention and discussion for the #1. That is easy to say. But I'm not sure that - even if we were Carr-less, looking at starting Ragone this year - I would support us drafting Vince over Leinart or Cutler. If by "considered" you mean exactly that - considered - then of course, I agree with you, he should be considered. That's where it stops for me, after consideration.
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Where did you come from? Why are you always reading into something other than what people post. I guess in your mind it's making an attempt (albeit weak) to try and justify your posts with no substance. I've been past that.....
 
tulexan said:
Brees' contract is structured in a way that it is in effect a one year deal with an option to extend it to a six year deal. Carr's contract is structured much differently.
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I thought it was something like that. So I can see why they may draft Leinart still.
 
tulexan said:
This is what I don't like about Vince and what I like about Jay Cutler.

Could Cutler potentially hurt his stock by participating in all of these drills? Sure, but at least people know.
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Some people just don't "get it." Cutler was a nobody, a low draft choice, maybe 2nd round. He had EVERYTHING to prove at the combine and so he worked out and did well. Now he's a top 3 QB. He probably COULD NOT have hurt his stock at the combine because his stock was so low.

Vince Young is a different case entirely. He had a brilliant season capped by an out-of-this-world performance in the Rose Bowl, probably a little more difficult venue than the combine. He ran, he threw, he QB'd the offense, he did everything and if you were grading him on a scale of 100 points for that performance you could not possibly drop below 98-99.

Since then, Vince has not done so well. He made a mistake in representation which just shows that he's a little more unsophisticated than you would like, he's not already a professional player with a professional's view of the game. Then he gets the lousy Wonderlic score, and he's black, so everyone assumes he's not the brightest light on the tree. Then he doesn't work out at the combine and people start whispering he's hiding something.

Bottom line, the football people really already know pretty much what they need to know about Vince Young. If they want a personal workout (as the Titans apparently do) they get it.

I've said before I think the Texans are fools to pass on him, because he alone has the chance to be the mold-breaker in the NFL. But I agree, it's a terrific risk. Maybe he'll only turn out real good. Or worse, a bust (though that seems far-fetched even to his most avid haters).

The Texans real difficulty is they don't WANT a brilliant QB under Kubiak, they want a pretty good, careful, sufficient QB. Under Kubiak, the SYSTEM is the thing. Once you understand that you understand why trade down is the only route to take, why Sage Rosenfels makes sense, why Carr is kept, why the middlin' players who really are pretty good are picked up in free agency. Kubiak does not want stars, he wants a workaday team that executes the SYSTEM.

And THAT is why we're not drafting Vince Young.
 
Carr Bomb said:
Thats true, I loved seeing the rug pulled out from underneath them. I taped the "Greatest team ever" crap they shoved down our throats for a week and taped Rosebowl right behind it, about every two weeks I put it on, I never get tired of watching that tape.
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A week?! That's all? It was a nightly thing on SC. That was on TV so much there was a point that not even VY's mom thought they would win. J/K
 
kbourda said:
Where did you come from? Why are you always reading into something other than what people post. I guess in your mind it's making an attempt (albeit weak) to try and justify your posts with no substance. I've been past that.....
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I re-read your post and noticed (for the first time) the initial "don't" in front of your statement. My honest apologies, as its presence substantially changes the meaning of your post.

I will ignore your reply as I am going to assume you were making it in light of my own misunderstanding. My posts are 100% homegrown full of substance, buddy.
 
It will be interesting to see how Vince does tomorrow when Norm Chow puts him through the gauntlet using Tennessee receivers.
 
http://nfl.com/draft/story/9329030
other texas players' pro day
cedric griffin weighed in at 6'0 3/8 202lb. & had a 35-inch vertical jump and a 3.97 short shuttle.
Johnathan Scott 6'6 322 has an arm length of 33 7/8 inches and a hand size of 10 inches. Did 17 bench presses.
david thomas longsnapped
 
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