Young Pro Day

[AcresHomesTexan]

Rumors from a UT paysite..Said Jerry Rhome reported that Young 55/57 good passes (some drops)...The site said various people not paid by Vince Young thought he threw well with good accuracy and strength. Overall, a very good work out, but did not blow people away.

Apparently, did nothing to hurt himself.

 

[infantrycak]

Didn't Carr run a 4.67 40? Not too much faster by Vince

Yes Carr ran a 4.67. Here are the agility stats from his NFL.com prospect profile:

AGILITY TESTS
4.67 in the 40-yard dash … 4.28 in the 20-yard shuttle … 7.05 in the three-cone drill … 390-pound bench press … 500-pound squat … 210-pound snatch … 300-pound power clean … 35-inch vertical jump … 9'0" broad jump … 31 ¾-inch arm length … 9 ¾-inch hands … Right-handed.

That said, all that proves is there is a ton more to being a good runner than speed because Carr while mobile will never be confused with the running talent VY has.

 

[tulexan]

He did pretty much what I thought. Threw the ball well, confirmed his spot as a legitimate top 10 pick and did nothing to hurt his stock.

I believe he will go #7 to the Raiders

 

[Huge]

I think that pretty much settles it, Reggie McNeal is the better QB because his 40 time smoked Vince Young's.

 

[jerek]

I found this posted on UT football board. I thought it was a great article about VY. It was written by a local high coach who had to devise a plan to defend against VY. I hope the Texans are paying attention.






"I have been coaching football for many years and I have never had to gameplan for a player like we did for VY as a senior at Madison. I coach at a "speed" school and we had never seen anyone like him. We had several guys run in the high 4.4's low 4.5's on the team (handheld watches) and we were still aghast at his speed.

I was actually at the Dome his senior year waiting for Madison to complete their practice so we could have ours (they were preparing for Katy and us for Northshore). All of the coaches, some of them had been coaching for 30+ years, all stared in amazement at him running around the field. We knew then that we would be in for the longest of long afternoons when we sat down to devise a plan to defend him.

I have never seen anyone with his speed and size on a football field and regardless of his 40 "time" he will never be caught from behind and he is so strong that any contact made while he is gaining momentum is normally shrugged off or has minimal effect on him gaining speed. Any coach/scout who concerns himself with his speed on a timing day need only get on field level during game time to fully undertand what he is capable of. "

Are you ****ting me? Who in the NFL couldn't you have said this kind of thing about when they were in HS? This means what, exactly? It's another opinion, but you quote it as if it is supposed to impress someone that a high school coach on a UT website said this. It doesn't.

Don't forget leader. He has great leadership.

Besides, I heard he was tired from delivering babies all night at the county hospital, and that was right before he parted the Rio Grande so some nice families could make it across safely.

The guy is a great athlete, there is no dispute about that. I think what most people on this board are tired of is all the grandstanding and leg humping that make it sound like he is the greatest player ever and he will change the league, adding to that the idea that everytime he does something that isn't quite perfect you have people rushing to cover and make excuses.

The 40 was skewed because the grass was too long.
The Wonderlic was bad because they misgraded.
His passes are off because of this.
Blahzee-Blah-Blah.

I wish him all the luck in the world. He will play for someone, and play well. He will be awesome and amazing and you will see flash bulbs everytime he plays. I just don't want him playing for Houston.

I second the motion.

 

[infantrycak]

Rumors from a UT paysite..Said Jerry Rhome reported that Young 55/57 good passes (some drops)...The site said various people not paid by Vince Young thought he threw well with good accuracy and strength. Overall, a very good work out, but did not blow people away.

Apparently, did nothing to hurt himself.

What I heard Zerlein say (may have missed part of the clip--I am sure they will replay it) was he did very well on all the west coast offense throws--short to intermediate throws. Did less well on 20 yd crossing route (underthrown) and 20 yd come back.

2nd clip: Said talked to some scouts and showed the difference between amateur and professional eye--nothing bad to say talking to scouts but nothing wowed. Big issue by a couple scouts was the work out was very protective/scripted to keep VY from throwing routes he couldn't throw well. One scout not in the VY hunt said he would have been very ticked off if they had actually been interested but a team interested could have him in for a private work out. One scout noted VY throws as well as Delhomme but doesn't panic like Vick--same scout was dissappointed VY didn't do all the agility drills especially with McNair sitting there.

 

[Kaiser Toro]

I've said this before (many times) and I'll say it again just for you ... here's my opinion in an easy to read format

1) Give Carr a chance with a real offense and a real offensive scheme
2) Draft Bush because IMO Kubiak's offensive scheme is tailor-made for his cutback ability and Kubiak is imaginative enough to use him correctly
3) Young is the second or third best QB in this draft almost everywhere except Southeast Texas


My disdain for the Young disciples is approached but not surpassed by the Carr apologists. The blame for last year's debacle should be spread around.

awaiting your witty reply ....

If you spent more time reading my posts and less time snipping quotes from different forums you would know that I am not a VY disciple nor a Carr apologist. Snip away.

 

[El Amigo Invisible]

He may be the best thing that could have happened for football

 

[Htown34s]

how about us "his management is minor league" crowd? he's not running, he's running, he runs a 4.57 .... is that what was expected? I thought he was in the 4.45 range?

Never happy are you? Geez your hating is getting old.

I liked how you trashed him about not running before he actually ran. That was great. Can't miss a chance to hate on someone huh? I am SO glad you're a Texan fan.

Look, VY is a playmaker. If he gets a chance he will make plays in the NFL. Everyone can nit-pick all they want in the mean time.

 

[chuckm]

Questioning anything to do with Young is almost always considered hating ....

I said that I thought he should've run but that if he did not it was irrelevant to his eventual draft position ... he ran and I was surprised it was 4.57 because in reading some of the propaganda on this board I expected it to be in the 4.4 range ....

I questioned his management team ...

I think Bush is a better fit for the Texans (as is MWilliams, DBrick, and AJHawk) ....

I've said over and over that he's extremely talented but isn't the right fit for the 2006 Texans ....

if all that is hating then, fire away ....

 

[chuckm]

If you spent more time reading my posts and less time snipping quotes from different forums you would know that I am not a VY disciple nor a Carr apologist. Snip away.

I have read a good number of your posts .... my post in no way hinted at you being a VY disciple or a Carr apologist ...

 

[Frills]

I hereby give VY props for running today

ya I of all people said that

 

[stevo3883]

Why wouldn't you? It was timed at UT. If there is one place on the planet where timekeepers err on the side of VInce, it is there.

Or are you saying don't hold much weight because Vince didn't try? Wtf would he run it for if he wasn't going all out?

Or maybe it is just part of the ongoing conspiracy to discredit Vince? nfl.com is in on the action now? Vince ran this in front of a crew of scouts and personnel: it isn't a guy scoring it in a backroom somewhere.

Incredible the lengths people will go to. VY drinkers are ten times worse than the "Carr lovers" because it isn't even a case of questioning intangibles or things on which opinions can exist and differ, but you want to question a forty-time on the UT campus of all places.

Unbelievable. Or maybe I am just overreacting. Please clarify.

lol... you sure have a lot of pent up anger over something so stupid.

a time comes out like 10 minutes after he runs in front of 50 or so people, and you want to take that as a concrete time?

this isnt the combine, its guys with stopwatches. the 4.57 could be the slowest time anyone recorded, and if it was someone like you writing the times, that is the time that would go down.



its people like you that jump on every attempt to make fun of vince that are so annoying. first the "6" and you go and make an avatar and call him a retard. then a 4.57 forty and people are saying Carr is faster than vince. we know we're not drafting vince, but seriously get over your hatred of a guy who has done nothing to you.

 

[TexasDiehard]

Not surprisingly, the Texans showed up in force today at the UT pro day with the sole purpose of creating the impression that they seriously considered Vince Young.

After attending the UT pro day today, Ed Werner said on his Dan Patrick appearance:

"he got the impression that "the Texans were looking to make the case to their fans why they will not draft Vince Young" a little convoluted, but that is what he said. he believes they are all there so they can say, "we really scouted him. but we are going with bush"

Pathetic. No amount of this kind of PR nonsense will distract from the fact that they are going to make the dumbest PR and draft mistake in the history of the NFL by passing on Vince Young. I guess if 80%+ of Houstonians want the Texans to take Vince Young and you can't make your case with logic, then you have to be dishonest. I can hardly wait to see the false public praise of VY coming from the Texans which will then be followed by the dropping of back door negatives about Vince Young to the press. The problem with this approach is that it assumes Houstonians are dumber than they are which is a impossible on its face.

Way to go Bob! I guess you just have to make sure you stamp as much remaining goodwill as you can instead of doing the obvious.

 

[chuckm]

wow ... way to represent ....

 

[Porky]

(there is a thread discussing this in the proper forum)

I don't disagree with part of your conclusion. I already called this a "dog and pony show".

As to the rest of your diatribe, well let's just say you have seen one tsip with a wunderlich of 6, you have seen them all. :brickwall

 

[Kaiser Toro]

We have our QB in Carr. Why spend another 8 million dollars for a guy to sit the bench? ~19 million out of a 102 million cap is ridiculous to have at the QB position.

 

[TexanSam]

I don't know how you can say it's going to be the biggest draft mistake in history if we don't take Vince Young. Last I looked, neither Vince nor Reggie had played a down in the NFL. So how it's a mistake is beyond me.

By the way,Vince Young, in a lot of mock drafts, and by other teams apparently, isn't rated as high as Matt Leinart and in some cases Jay Cutler.

 

[Porky]

I hate to say this, but I am actually beginning to hate Vince Young, the thought of him in Steel blue is beginning to turn my stomach. I was a huge VY booster in Jan, but his fans are just a total turnoff to me. I am also a big Texas fan. Root for them every game. But, If these are the kind of fans we are going to add to the bandwagon, let Possum Holler or some other locale far, far away have them. Seriousely.

I am relishing the thought of laughing my *** off as team after team passes on VY, and the burnt orange faces get redder and redder until they explode.

 

[stevo3883]

I hate to say this, but I am actually beginning to hate Vince Young, the thought of him in Steel blue is beginning to turn my stomach. I was a huge VY booster in Jan, but his fans are just a total turnoff to me. I am also a big Texas fan. Root for them every game. But, If these are the kind of fans we are going to add to the bandwagon, let Possum Holler or some other locale far, far away have them. Seriousely.

I am relishing the thought of laughing my *** off as team after team passes on VY, and the burnt orange faces get redder and redder until they explode.

what are you talking about? there is ONE person who could be viewed as a blind VY supporter.

yet there are 10+ blind VY detractors, and this ONE guy makes you hate him?

right...

 

[Htown34s]

After attending the UT pro day today, Ed Werner said on his Dan Patrick appearance:

"he got the impression that "the Texans were looking to make the case to their fans why they will not draft Vince Young" a little convoluted, but that is what he said. he believes they are all there so they can say, "we really scouted him. but we are going with bush"

If so, its a smart move on McNair's (or whomever's) part. Can't deny that there is a portion of fans who want their man, and having a good excuse can save their butts later.

 

[beerlover]

If so, its a smart move on McNair's (or whomever's) part. Can't deny that there is a portion of fans who want their man, and having a good excuse can save their butts later.

pre-emptive damage control

 

[chuckm]

winning is in it's nature, damage control .... if the 2006 Texans are successful, then a large majority of the fans will be ok with whoever we pick .... if the 2006 Texans, suck then all bets are off, IMO

 

[Porky]

what are you talking about? there is ONE person who could be viewed as a blind VY supporter.

yet there are 10+ blind VY detractors, and this ONE guy makes you hate him?

right...

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention. Almost daily we get a post similar to this one. A bunch of UT blinders with an IQ as big as Vince's foot size, that come here and act like a bunch of two year olds throwing a temper tantrum. What a big bunch of cry babies. Yes, THOSE people are making me hate him.

 

[stevo3883]

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention. Almost daily we get a post similar to this one. A bunch of UT blinders with an IQ as big as Vince's foot size, that come here and act like a bunch of two year olds throwing a temper tantrum. What a big bunch of cry babies. Yes, THOSE people are making me hate him.

give me a break. for every "GET VINCE OR ELSE hook'em!!" post there are "10 VINCE YOUNG SUX GIG EM!!!1"

 

[Carr Bombed]

I hate to say this, but I am actually beginning to hate Vince Young, the thought of him in Steel blue is beginning to turn my stomach. I was a huge VY booster in Jan, but his fans are just a total turnoff to me. I am also a big Texas fan. Root for them every game. But, If these are the kind of fans we are going to add to the bandwagon, let Possum Holler or some other locale far, far away have them. Seriousely.

I am relishing the thought of laughing my *** off as team after team passes on VY, and the burnt orange faces get redder and redder until they explode.

Join the club, I'm a huge Texas fan and appreciate everything VY did for texas, but his fans or "trolls" that flooded the board are starting to make me sick. I can't wait for the draft to come and pass.

 

[kbourda]

If so, its a smart move on McNair's (or whomever's) part. Can't deny that there is a portion of fans who want their man, and having a good excuse can save their butts later.

Honestly, that's the impression I was getting from the beginning. The Texans would draft me #1 before they draft Vince at #1. I have no problem with them setting up smoke screens but they can do that with other players, too. That is ticking me off more than anything about this whole process. The fact that the Texans had to intention to pick him at all. It just seems as if they are playing some of the fans, and VY, for fools.

 

[chuckm]

I can't wait for the draft to come and pass.

amen brother

 

[Grid]

give me a break. for every "GET VINCE OR ELSE hook'em!!" post there are "10 VINCE YOUNG SUX GIG EM!!!1"

I think the only people on these boards who use the rivalry as an excuse... are UT fans.

I havent seen any Aggies on here spouting nonsense because they dont want a UT guy on their team.

Kinda ironic that you claim the UT/A&M rivalry is the root of all the problems... and you are the only guy that acknowledges the rivalry on these boards :P

 

[Carr Bombed]

give me a break. for every "GET VINCE OR ELSE hook'em!!" post there are "10 VINCE YOUNG SUX GIG EM!!!1"

Yeah I know, its that aggie conspiracy again

 

[kbourda]

Apparently, you haven't been paying attention. Almost daily we get a post similar to this one. A bunch of UT blinders with an IQ as big as Vince's foot size, that come here and act like a bunch of two year olds throwing a temper tantrum. What a big bunch of cry babies. Yes, THOSE people are making me hate him.

You don't like him cause you felt he disrespected Bush (the president). You are so fake it isn't even funny.

 

[stevo3883]

I havent seen any Aggies on here spouting nonsense because they dont want a UT guy on their team.

?????????????????? did you really just say that?

 

[Grid]

Honestly, that's the impression I was getting from the beginning. The Texans would draft me #1 before they draft Vince at #1. I have no problem with them setting up smoke screens but they can do that with other players, too. That is ticking me off more than anything about this whole process. The fact that the Texans had to intention to pick him at all. It just seems as if they are playing some of the fans, and VY, for fools.

I dont think there is any reason to take it personally. Its not like on the flight over there they were belly laughing at all the fans who are gonna think we will draft VY. They went there because they dont want the fans to think that they arent even going to consider a hometown prospect like him. It was more of a kindness than a stab in the back.

 

[Porky]

give me a break. for every "GET VINCE OR ELSE hook'em!!" post there are "10 VINCE YOUNG SUX GIG EM!!!1"

Let's see. You have a set of UT horns as your avatar, and I am supposed to believe you are a neutral observer, with no ax to grind. Try again.

 

[Grid]

?????????????????? did you really just say that?

Yes I did... why? is there some proof somewhere that I didnt see?

 

[kbourda]

I dont think there is any reason to take it personally. Its not like on the flight over there they were belly laughing at all the fans who are gonna think we will draft VY. They went there because they dont want the fans to think that they arent even going to consider a hometown prospect like him. It was more of a kindness than a stab in the back.

So is it fair for me to call it a "token" visit? That's all I see it as.

 

[stevo3883]

Let's see. You have a set of UT horns as your avatar, and I am supposed to believe you are a neutral observer, with no ax to grind. Try again.

considering I want the team to get Bush.

yeah, im really grinding that axe.

 

[kbourda]

I dont think there is any reason to take it personally. Its not like on the flight over there they were belly laughing at all the fans who are gonna think we will draft VY. They went there because they dont want the fans to think that they arent even going to consider a hometown prospect like him. It was more of a kindness than a stab in the back.

I understand what you're saying but i'd perfer the brutal honesty.

 

[MikeMc]

WOW, VY ran a 4.58 40.....very avg/slow for a "great athlete". A RB runs a 4.58 (call it 4.6), it is sloooow!


Not the 4.2 that Jose Canseco.....errrrr.....VYoung said he could run!

 

[Grid]

So is it fair for me to call it a "token" visit? That's all I see it as.

I wouldnt necessarily call it a token visit. We would have had people there regardless. We just sent in the head honchos to make sure it was recognized that we were there and giving him a serious look.

If you were doing a project for your boss.. and he was sitting in your office while you were doing it.. would you make sure that you were diligently working on the project and giving it your full attention, or would you skim over it while you talked on the phone? Thats all it is.. making sure that the fans realize that they are taking it seriously...even though they arent incredibly interested.

 

[El Amigo Invisible]

Aggies come on now! This is not A & M vs UT . Vince is a freak of nature! You know he can BALL.: Don't hate him because he was a Longhorn and you can't stand to see him in a Texan uniform. I love A & M football but the fans have got to grow up and start showing some love for his ability lead us to a Superbowl.That is the most important thing , isn't it? Go Texans!!!!

 

[chuckm]

WOW, VY ran a 4.58 40.....very avg/slow for a "great athlete". A RB runs a 4.58 (call it 4.6), it is sloooow!


Not the 4.2 that Jose Canseco.....errrrr.....VYoung said he could run!

oh Mike ... take it back

 

[Grid]

btw.. for the people who want to say "he just takes longer to reach full speed".. so do Mathis and AJ.. watch them at at fastest man competition at the probowl. They will be in last coming off the line..and pass people up about midway. They dont run 4.58s.

 

[Porky]

You don't like him cause you felt he disrespected Bush (the president). You are so fake it isn't even funny.

I dare you to go back in my profile and look up some of my posts from around January. You have absouletely no idea how wrong you are. I was leaning toward drafting Young in January. This has nothing to do with Bush, or any disrespect. Find one post I have ever made that even mentions the subject. Go ahead, I dare ya.

 

[jerek]

lol... you sure have a lot of pent up anger over something so stupid.

a time comes out like 10 minutes after he runs in front of 50 or so people, and you want to take that as a concrete time?

this isnt the combine, its guys with stopwatches. the 4.57 could be the slowest time anyone recorded, and if it was someone like you writing the times, that is the time that would go down.



its people like you that jump on every attempt to make fun of vince that are so annoying. first the "6" and you go and make an avatar and call him a retard. then a 4.57 forty and people are saying Carr is faster than vince. we know we're not drafting vince, but seriously get over your hatred of a guy who has done nothing to you.

I made the avatar because I derive twisted pleasure in reading sub-literate posts attacking my avatar. Proves my point, or just an observation? You decide.

As far as this "hatred" you speak of ... how could any of my words be construed as hatred? And how do I "jump on every attempt?" Were you looking for the word "opportunity," or was the self-contradiction intentional?

Vince is a cool guy. Never done a thing to me, never would, and if I saw him in the HEB tomorrow, I'd congratulate him on kicking my USC team's asses all over the field, and wish him good luck in his pro game. I have stated over and over again that I think he is a good player who will probably do well in the NFL, possibly very well.

Making fun of him is how I get my jollies. No, seriously, his work since the Rose Bowl practically satirizes itself, and my jibes are debatedly far less "hateful" than most of the crap leveled at guys like Carr, and yet you say nary a peep about that. If David Carr showed up to the White House in sweats or scored a retard's rank on an IQ test, I would make fun of him for it too.

Does that make you a hypocrite, or are we two hypocrites pointing the proverbial finger at each other right now?

Seriously, I enjoy the football talk, and jokes about VY are just that: jokes. Don't get lost in the words as to their meaning there, Steve-O.

As far as VY's 40 time: I know that different people time it differently, and obviously, the 4.57 is hardly "concrete." I just find it odd, humorous, and sad that the tsips rush to question the 4.57 and point out that it is obviously false, but those same tsips will sit here and outright invent stories about David Carr and his film study habits and his teammates hating him, or Reggie Bush and his gang ties or one of a hundred other ridiculous lies I have read here in recent weeks, let alone the fradulently slanted opinions in favor of drafting Vince Young or castrating our collective self in repentance for not doing so. In this case, I know you are a proponent of Bush, and if anything, this is something we pretty much agree on - though I would still love to see Mario Williams a Texan in 06.

Keep on churning, if it is working for you it works for me.

 

[kbourda]

I wouldnt necessarily call it a token visit. We would have had people there regardless. We just sent in the head honchos to make sure it was recognized that we were there and giving him a serious look.

If you were doing a project for your boss.. and he was sitting in your office while you were doing it.. would you make sure that you were diligently working on the project and giving it your full attention, or would you skim over it while you talked on the phone? Thats all it is.. making sure that the fans realize that they are taking it seriously...even though they arent incredibly interested.

Sorry, I should clarify myself. Bob McNair going is making it look like a token visit. I know he'll probably go with the FO to see Bush. But why stop there? If you want the fans to believe you are really evaluating all options on the best guy, do it for Leinart, Ferguson, etc.

 

[CarrIsFine]

Vince's biggest problem is his agent with no experience. Has he dropped this guy yet? The wonderlic incident and not doing a full workout are the result of bad management.

Telling everyone to wait until pro day to see VY and then having him skip common workouts is not smart. There goes another million.

 

[El Amigo Invisible]

People want to draft Bush because he is well spoken! Oh and that Vince was a horn !:brickwall
Vince is just a product of HISD .How can you hate him for that?

I saw a post earlier about Mario and how he didn't play big against the better schools.
Is that true?

 

[infantrycak]

Find one post I have ever made that even mentions the subject. Go ahead, I dare ya.

You mean other than this one:

This is the first thing he has done that has really bothered me. I can't say I was wild about gouging for his sig, or how the very first thing he did was go out and buy an expensive sports car, but those were just the marks of someone getting money for the first time, and I overlooked them. But, when you go to meet the President at the White House, show some friggin respect, and wear a suit. Is that too much to ask? While I can appreciate the differences between the NFL and his private life, it says something to me, and it's not good. You have to conform on a football team too, and play by the rules, and show respect to the coaches and elders on the team. It gives me the feeling he thinks the rules may not apply to him because he is BMOC. No one player is above the team, and when you see every single one of these young men show the proper respect at the WH, and then you see him in casual clothes, it shows a complete lack of maturity and understanding. While I am still not entirely opposed to us drafting him, it's made me really think, and I am now teetering for sure. I guess it's safe to say I am off the "draft Vince" bandwagon. And, it's enough for me to change my avatar, which I will do some time today.

 

[kbourda]

I dare you to go back in my profile and look up some of my posts from around January. You have absouletely no idea how wrong you are. I was leaning toward drafting Young in January. This has nothing to do with Bush, or any disrespect. Find one post I have ever made that even mentions the subject. Go ahead, I dare ya.

I read your post when this whole "Vince didn't wear a suit to see Bush, BS". You know I have no problem putting you on blast. I dare you to go back and read it.