bulldawgtexan
Practice Squad
I have an extremely reliable source that has informed me that the Texans are trading the number one pick. The decision has been made.
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I doubt any of you have reliable sources. Unless your name is Casserly, Kubiak or McNair you probobly have no idea what is going on. No team ever makes up their mind about a draft choice before the nfl combines and the senior bowl. I think free agency will have a lot to do with who we draft as well. You guys need to calm down about all the draft talk. We have quite a while before any decisions are made.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
It is not that I don't believe you or your source, it is just that I would doubt the decision has been cast in stone a good three months prior to the fact. Especially before we have even seen the combine.
I would not be in the least upset if we made a solid trade, but I question how the decision has already been made.
Any further info on the nature of this trade, with whom and what we'll get?
I would not be in the least upset if we made a solid trade, but I question how the decision has already been made.
Any further info on the nature of this trade, with whom and what we'll get?
Well, I don't have an extremely reliable source - but I did listen to NFL live on ESPN and they said that trading down was the only answer to the Texan problems. They elaborated by saying that you couldn't win anything with the QB running for his life and that the OL had to learn how to protect a QB before anything else happened. This is a total paraphrase. This was after a very short interview with Kubiak. I tend to agree with them...I think.bulldawgtexan said:
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Actually Mark Schlereth was the one who said that trading down was the only option. The other guy (can't remember his name. he was a former Cowboy) said that they should take Reggie Bush. There is a lot of disagreement everywhere on every show and there is a case for each argument.
Daonly said:You're Anti-Reggie Bush, I checked all your posts, you making stuff up, your last ditch effort to save your faint Dreams to drafting Young or trading down, Sorry guy ;you dead meat on death row.
Personally, If you have seen how much George Sr and George Jr has had to dodge stuff and speed run from other things, I think the Bush blood cant ever get tackled... hmm... Maybe we should take him..... Nahhhh... Trade down Baby!
I think it is possible that we made a decision to consider trading down. Thats about it.
Besides, who will we deal with?
Especially before all the scouting has taken place.
By the way, I am tired of hearing all this "trade with the jets" and "after we trade with the Jets" talk. IF YOU were the Jets, would you trade with us? - - - NO.
Why not? Because,
(i) The Jets need a lot of players also
(ii) Jets are WAY over the cap and will suck another year no matter what - which means giving up a #1 next year would be a big mistake (especially with O'Quin and APeterson sitting there),
(iii) the 4th pick fills a need with a stud player (the Jets need a LOT, QB, RB and DE (assuming Abraham is let go or traded because they can't afford to keep him).
(iv) cap problems - they are way over the cap and larger contracts will be harder to deal with.
Why trade up when they can fill a huge need and keep their #1 pick next year.
So, not happening. Unless we deal the #1 pick cheap - which would be a mistake.
The same thing pretty much goes for NO and Tenn also. They can sit still and fill their needs.
But, Green Bay may deal up - - if Favre plays another year.
Or, Oakland and SF (or others with lower picks) ,may deal up - - but that is a long drop.
Besides, who will we deal with?
Especially before all the scouting has taken place.
By the way, I am tired of hearing all this "trade with the jets" and "after we trade with the Jets" talk. IF YOU were the Jets, would you trade with us? - - - NO.
Why not? Because,
(i) The Jets need a lot of players also
(ii) Jets are WAY over the cap and will suck another year no matter what - which means giving up a #1 next year would be a big mistake (especially with O'Quin and APeterson sitting there),
(iii) the 4th pick fills a need with a stud player (the Jets need a LOT, QB, RB and DE (assuming Abraham is let go or traded because they can't afford to keep him).
(iv) cap problems - they are way over the cap and larger contracts will be harder to deal with.
Why trade up when they can fill a huge need and keep their #1 pick next year.
So, not happening. Unless we deal the #1 pick cheap - which would be a mistake.
The same thing pretty much goes for NO and Tenn also. They can sit still and fill their needs.
But, Green Bay may deal up - - if Favre plays another year.
Or, Oakland and SF (or others with lower picks) ,may deal up - - but that is a long drop.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
BigBull17 said:I like trading down but I dont see us getting good enough value in a trade to justify doing it. This year is TOOOO deep at alot of possitions to have people breaking the bank, especially at RB.
That is exactly how I feel. The draft is way too deep at RB for some team to break the bank to draft Reggie Bush. There are also going to be FA's like Ahman Green, Edgerrin James, and Shaun Alexander available too. If a team is desperate to draft a RB in the first round, they can get a guy like DeAngelo Williams, LenDale White, or Laurence Maroney. Later in the draft you are going to have guys like Calhoun, Drew, Norwood, Washington, and Humes available too. This reminds me of that draft a few years ago when there was a glut of top receivers available like Fitzgerald, Evans, Williams, Clayton, and Woods only the talent at RB is better top to bottom in this draft than it was at receiver a few years ago.
I don't mind trading down and getting a guy like D'Brick, Williams, or Hawk, but I don't want to give away the pick just to trade down.
LongBignasty1
Waterboy
If the Texans decide to trade down(which is pure speculation at this point) i would love to pick up Max-Jean Gilles.....that dude is awesome! you can watch him at the senior bowl drills at NFL.com
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
LongBignasty1 said:
If we implement Denver's zone blocking scheme, which I think we will, you might as well give up all hope for Jean-Gilles since he simply doesn't fit the scheme...Eslinger, Setterstrom, and Mangold are much better fits that will be available in the 3rd, in all likelihood...
LongBignasty1
Waterboy
I would rather have Mcneil or Winston or Thomas than Colledge. Just my take
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
LongBignasty1 said:
McNeill is too big to work in a zone blocking scheme...By Thomas, do you mean Joe Thomas from Wisconsin? If so, he tore his ACL, IIRC, in his bowl game and didn't declare for the draft...I like Winston and Colledge about equally, so if either are available at 33, I'd take one of them...This is, of course, if we don't pick Brick in the 1st...
bulldawgtexan said:
I think you're source is about 33.3% correct. I don't think they know what they're going to do with the pick. Maybe it is Bush or Young, and maybe they can get more value at of trading it. I think they'll be closer to deciding after the combine and pro days. I believe they do want to look at trading the pick, because they are more than one player away from being a winning team.
But McNair wants to win now, or at least be above .500.
D-ReK
RAWWWRR!
jaayteetx said:
We did, but there are different variations of the scheme...Personally, I don't feel like the old staff did what was necessary to get the players that fit the scheme, and that's where Kubiak, and hopefully Alex Gibbs, come into the equation...It's kind of hard to be successful in a scheme that requires smaller, more agile linemen when you have stiffs like Todd Wade and Milford Brown...
LongBignasty1
Waterboy
no not thomas but scott from UT
alphajoker
Veteran
DRAMA said:Not gonna happen, Vince! Stop posting on these boards!!
Good one!!!
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
i actually do have a reliable source (a scout) who flat out said that he cant discuss proceedings until after the draft at risk of his job....this man is one of my close friends and cant even tell ME...i doubt there is a fountain of information there for ya buddy
The "other" guy would be Darren Woodson. His takes are pathetic. Stink is the man, and he and Kube are close friends.....Hmmmm....the real insider??
All of this VY or RB is hype to keep everyone on their toes......it is the biggest teaser since...I don't know when! ESPN ratings are going through the roof, and MBs are getting crazy hits.
In the end, the Texans will trade the pick, saving the risk and costs associated, and build a better team.
Too often the VY is from Houston take is getting ridiculous. I can;t even listen to 610 or 790 am radio because you have everyone & their mamma calling in to say why the Texans need VY. I wish Rich, Mark & Chalie would go to different callers with fresh takes, not the same "Can I give a shout-out for VY" callers!
All of this VY or RB is hype to keep everyone on their toes......it is the biggest teaser since...I don't know when! ESPN ratings are going through the roof, and MBs are getting crazy hits.
In the end, the Texans will trade the pick, saving the risk and costs associated, and build a better team.
Too often the VY is from Houston take is getting ridiculous. I can;t even listen to 610 or 790 am radio because you have everyone & their mamma calling in to say why the Texans need VY. I wish Rich, Mark & Chalie would go to different callers with fresh takes, not the same "Can I give a shout-out for VY" callers!
Spoda
Waterboy
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SheTexan
Hall of Fame
Lucky said:
No Lucky, I am not. I respect and honor the confidence that has been placed in me to keep my mouth shut, until I am told otherwise. Besides, it's kinda fun to KNOW some things that some of these couch coaches can only speculate. I get NO self satisfaction out of coming to this board and trying to prove what I know. I just play along and enjoy the thought that HA, I already knew that!! lol Also, things change everyday in the scheme of things. It's all just a big gamble anyway!
S
SESupergenius
Guest
I doubt that being that the draft is like 3 months away. We still have a lot of evaluation to do and the coaching staff hasn't even been assembled. Besides, there are way to many players going to be let go before the draft to see where we can get the best bang for our buck. Nice try but the decision is far from being made.bulldawgtexan said:
houstonhurricane
Veteran
It is WAY too early for any team to committing trading their top pick or trading for one...serious discussions can only begin after the combines and individual workouts. I think the Texans will have a hard time getting any solid enough offers to trade down. IMO New Orleans and/or the Titans are in a much better situation for doing so...
MorKnolle
All Pro
beerlover said:the only thing that seems certain at this point is that the Texans plan to extend Carr which should tell everyone all they need to know
Agreed, this is about all that has definitively been said, and it does give an indication into what they may (or more specifically what they won't do) with the #1 pick, but between drafting Bush or trading down I do not believe that a decision has been made, and if a definitive decision has been made I don't see a trade down as that decision. As has been mentioned, no one is going to make a final decision on who they are going to pick three months before the draft and before the combine and workouts, as they don't have a very good idea what many of the top prospects are capable of doing and I'm sure no teams have offered a serious trade yet since they too do not have a great evaluation of most of the players involved, not to mention we have a month or more of free agency before the draft happens. I could see the a team deciding for sure that they want a certain player a month or so before the draft, but they aren't going to make up their mind for sure that they are going to trade down when they don't really know who they are targeting yet and where they need to be in order to draft that person, and other teams haven't done similar evaluations to make a good trade. Deciding for sure that they want to trade down at this point would likely lead them to take less of a trade than they otherwise would, they might say that they would like to trade down and will evaluate the trade offers from now until the draft with the hope of getting an offer good enough to take, but they can't make an absolute decision that they will trade down this early.
TheOgre said:
But Qb isnt chump change this year either. With Cutler impressing the h*** out of people. Then you have later picks with guys like Omar Jacobs and homeboy from Penn State. At the end of the draft you have a game of rulette with the Vick squared. Very deep draft.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
bulldawgtexan said:
Months before the draft?Wow, I DO belie
ve youHi Texan fans.
I just joined the board but have been a Texan fan since their inception.
I would like to ask two questions?
I am a LSU fan, so Dominick has been one of my favorites. By drafting Bush, what does that do for Dominick? Also Vernand Morency is suppose to be the star of the future. What does that do for him?
I just joined the board but have been a Texan fan since their inception.
I would like to ask two questions?
I am a LSU fan, so Dominick has been one of my favorites. By drafting Bush, what does that do for Dominick? Also Vernand Morency is suppose to be the star of the future. What does that do for him?