leebigeztx
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I like King from Georgia. I also told people this draft was wr rich. Patterson is a boom?bust guy. He didnt dominate juco and that bothers me alot.
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WRs who might be in the 2013 Draft
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I like King from Georgia. I also told people this draft was wr rich. Patterson is a boom?bust guy. He didnt dominate juco and that bothers me alot.
Patterson scored 36 TDs in 23 games in JC. Whats not dominant about that?
24 TDs, which is 50% of total output.
And 42% of total receiving yardage.
Two-time All-American.
That's dominant with a dual-threat QB on the team.
King is a solid receiver with good floor; but his ceiling is probably a #2 receiver.
Patterson is at least a top tier #2, with decent chance to become a #1.
I don't see any bust factor here, to be honest, unless he has off-the-field problems???
Facts seem to overcome posters just throwing out a bunch of crap.
Give me Boyce over Mallette if you're looking for a late rd WR.
A guy I like as a Amendola/Welker late rd guy is Zack Rodgers. When I was studying Bray and things got tight, Bray looked for Rodgers more than he looked at Patterson or Hunter. Rodgers would be a great 5-6th rd pick.
I didn't read back through the previous 3 pages so I'm not sure if this guys name has been brought up or not, what would you guys think of Rodney Smith-WR from Florida St.? He's got the measurables that teams drool over 6'04", 225 lbs., 34 3/4" arms, 10 3/8" hands, and runs a 4.51 in the 40. He's currently listed by CBS as a 6th round prospect and with his measurables I'm thinking he might be worth a late round project pick. He'd be a low risk and possibly high reward player. Opinions?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Pro body but lacks ability to run clean routes, separate & block in space. Very undisciplined, pretty much strictly a deep threat with his size. Good developmental pick but like to see more complete game to fit scheme.
24 receiving TDs, combined with 6 rushing TDs and 6 TDs on returns. A freak.
Dang, I totally forgot about the other parts of his game; the very things that make him more valuable as a draft prospect.
Zack Rogers was a very good college football player.
He runs good route. He's quick in and out of the break.
However, he's a bit small and therefore had problem with press coverage.
Watch the Florida and the Vandy games.
He will have problem with more physical NFL DBs.
Unless he really improves on that physicality part of the game, he's nothing more than just a guy and may not even have the chance to make a roster.
There's a lot to like about him otherwise.
He does have some upside.
I mentioned him before, and then I became even more impressed at the combine.
Look at his 20SS and 3-cone time.
He does have the tools necessary to create seperation.
It's just a matter of having more reps.
Once he learns how to get in and out of break, he'll be a force.
Right now he's inconsistent in several aspects of the game, including playing up to his physique.
Huge upside; definitely worth a late round pick.
I think he might even go higher than the sixth, maybe even the fourth.
He can do pretty much everything, just lack the consistency.
If he works real hard at it, his ceiling is very high, IMO.
These were the same things that were being said about Welker/Amendola prior to the draft. For a 6th rd pick he woukd be worth a shot.
I honestly didn't watch Welker at Tech, but going by NFL Draft Scout, he was a tad under 5'9 but weighed 195lbs.
Zack is about 6'0 but only weighs 172.
Big difference.
Welker carried his weight well in the 2 punt returns from the college day still available on YouTube.
The only thing I know is that when the Dolphins didn't seem to want him anymore, I wanted him because of his physical play. You've got to be able to do that when you're a shorter guy; like Kendall Wright or Stedmon Bailey.
Why do I like Bailey more than Rogers?
Because he plays big and never shied from contact.
He wins against bigger and taller DB; Rogers lost big time.
Is he worth a sixth?
Probably, but not until I bring him in for a work-out so he can show me what I'd like to see.
Right now, on tapes, I don't see it.
It doesn't matter how quick you are if they can jam you easily at the line.
Can you say the same thing with Welker, Wright, Bailey, or Austin?
No, but those guys are 1st rd picks, Bailey will go in the 3rd at the latest. Welker is a priority FA.
After drafting a WR high 1-2nd rd. I just think Rodgers would be worth a look in the 6-7th rd.
Oh, he's worth a look alright; and I'm not writing him off.
But it looks like there are plenty of late round picks with better floor and ceiling both.
That is unless Rogers wows me with his work-out and shows me that he's capable of beating press (just having the core strength to amplify his potential.)
BTW, I did notice Rogers (and I did mention to you that he has a draftable grade.)
While I looked at him closer (when you mentioned him), I think I notice something else about Bray.
This was in the back of my mind, but I think I see it a little clearer now.
You know how QBs are taught to keep both hands on the ball up on the chest area as much as possible for both protection and readiness?
I noticed that Bray has a tendency to forget about it as the game goes on, especially when he sees pressure.
His footwork isn't great to begin with (and yes, I understand that all these QB prospects need improvement - even Joe Montana did) so with any additional faulty in his mechanics, his game gets worse.
He gets into a habit of dropping his hands a little lower than he should, or have them apart a bit too soon; sometimes he completely forgot about it.
He doesn't have an over-the-top release to start with, so it takes him a hair longer to bring his throwing arm into optimum position to throw the ball.
Sometimes, he begins to palm the ball "too much".
Every little thing adds up such that his 3-quarter delivery is extended a hair longer. And I'm talking an eight of a second here.
As with Phil Simms, it's fixable.
And you ought to remember I mentioned Simms saying this in his book; that he didn't get it corrected until later during his career.
I think Bray can be helped tremendously if he can correct this.
His release isn't terrible slow.
He has a live arm.
His delivery isn't as winded as Schaub's (when he first joined the Texans.)
An eight of a second is very important at this level.
IMO, if Bray can correct this, and he should be able to, he can make it in the NFL.
While I looked at him closer (when you mentioned him), I think I notice something else about Bray.
This was in the back of my mind, but I think I see it a little clearer now.
You know how QBs are taught to keep both hands on the ball up on the chest area as much as possible for both protection and readiness?
I noticed that Bray has a tendency to forget about it as the game goes on, especially when he sees pressure.
His footwork isn't great to begin with (and yes, I understand that all these QB prospects need improvement - even Joe Montana did) so with any additional faulty in his mechanics, his game gets worse.
He gets into a habit of dropping his hands a little lower than he should, or have them apart a bit too soon; sometimes he completely forgot about it.
He doesn't have an over-the-top release to start with, so it takes him a hair longer to bring his throwing arm into optimum position to throw the ball.
Sometimes, he begins to palm the ball "too much".
Every little thing adds up such that his 3-quarter delivery is extended a hair longer. And I'm talking an eight of a second here.
As with Phil Simms, it's fixable.
And you ought to remember I mentioned Simms saying this in his book; that he didn't get it corrected until later during his career.
I think Bray can be helped tremendously if he can correct this.
His release isn't terrible slow.
He has a live arm.
His delivery isn't as winded as Schaub's (when he first joined the Texans.)
An eight of a second is very important at this level.
IMO, if Bray can correct this, and he should be able to, he can make it in the NFL.
Like you mentined these are things that can be fixed with proper coaching. That he didn't get from Dooleys staff. Bray has as much talent as any QB in this draft. It's just a matter of how hard he wants to work to fix his flaws. I would love to see Gary get the chance to work with Bray.
Alot of what I read on CBS and BL evaluations, it sounds like Rodney Smith's route running issues and lack of discipline simply sound like maturity issues and those are usually fixed pretty quick when he leaves his comfort zone at FSU and steps into the real world of the NFL with veteran pros around him. Blocking and separation issues are things that can be taught. I'm thinking he'd be worth one of our comp. 6th rounders and we let him develop while on IR for an aggravated hang nail. Most everything is coachable and learnable, those measurables aren't. Low risk in the comp. 6th and possibly a very high reward in a year or 2.
aussie_texan
Veteran
John Mcclain :
For those tweeting and asking if Texans are interested in Chad Johnson, the answer is no. They want to get younger and faster opposite AJ.
Please be Justin Hunter
For those tweeting and asking if Texans are interested in Chad Johnson, the answer is no. They want to get younger and faster opposite AJ.
Please be Justin Hunter
I think Woods is an interesting player. Production dropped a bit due to injury, the emergence of another playermaker in Lee, and some spotty QB play. He might be there for us in rd 2.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
my real concern over Woods is from a durability standpoint. he is an underclassman so he is young with time to add core strength, he's not a burner, but has great instincts & pro skill set already. He is a tough one to grade. First round skill set with second round measureables. Not sure if he has had pro-day yet but for me he would need to add some muscle, lift more than 14 times & run a sub 4.5 to be considered, despite College production, as a first round talent. 2nd rd. seems far more likely & probably just a few picks before Texans are on the board again. Therefore not Texan material (& three amigos mocked him to Texans back in October/November).
my real concern over Woods is from a durability standpoint. he is an underclassman so he is young with time to add core strength, he's not a burner, but has great instincts & pro skill set already. He is a tough one to grade. First round skill set with second round measureables. Not sure if he has had pro-day yet but for me he would need to add some muscle, lift more than 14 times & run a sub 4.5 to be considered, despite College production, as a first round talent. 2nd rd. seems far more likely & probably just a few picks before Texans are on the board again. Therefore not Texan material (& three amigos mocked him to Texans back in October/November).
Late second round, maybe even third... Unless he impresses at his pro day.
Bumped from 7/16/12
Dobson has been on the radar for the longest time; he ain't no sleeper.
Bumped from 2/22/13
I can't believe CBS Sports left Mark Harrison completely off their board.
I really want to trade out of the first and take these three guys: Marcus Davis 6th), Rodney Smith (7th) and Mark Harrison (UDFA).
If that's where they really land in the draft, you can have a steal of a draft, IMHO.
I really want to trade out of the first and take these three guys: Marcus Davis 6th), Rodney Smith (7th) and Mark Harrison (UDFA).
If that's where they really land in the draft, you can have a steal of a draft, IMHO.