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WR with separation

For slot, I look at the 3 cone drill, need that quick whip more than the deep speed
I see Harris as a big physical mismatch in the slot, who can play outside some. There are other WR's I like more in the 2nd. Higgins/Noel in the 2nd

Horton/TeSlaa/Thorton later in the draft to name a few.

Give me one of these guys and a vet WR in FA and I'm happy.
 
I’m in, regarding a WR with separation speed…..that’s 6-5 209 lb Dont’e Thornton Jr who posted a 4.30-40. With his 25.4 YPC (SEC) this season states that he’s more than capable of taking the top off defenses. Nico came in at 6-4 218 lbs and posted a 4.43-40 at the Michigan Pro Day. Pairing Dont’e with Nico would give CJ the right duo to work with.
 
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Anquan Boldin ran a 4.71 at the combine. Seems like he did ok. Jerry Rice was around 4.6. He’s one the greats. I hate the 40 myself. It’s the most meaningless stat in football. Can the guy play or not?
 
I like Restrepo as a slot. He will be open and help in scramble drills. DT/IOL 1st and second, someone like him in 3rd. Tuten as a RB in 4th. Hawes as TE in fifth. Actually if we could trade our first for two seconds, my mocks always get some nice players there.
I like Restrepo and Hawes!

I’m not the biggest fan of Tuten. He fumbles way too much for my liking.
 
You can fix fumbling, see Adrian Peterson. He's a home run threat that runs through arm tackles
If Tuten is there in the 4th I would look at trading up for him. I've got a grouping of Hunter/Tuten/Croskey Merritt, Smith, Eitenne, and another guy I really like is LaQuint Allen in the 4-5th rd range. Croskey Merritt/ Smith and Hunter are my favorites. Tuten would be without the fumbling issues. He's a differencemaker.
 
If Tuten is there in the 4th I would look at trading up for him. I've got a grouping of Hunter/Tuten/Croskey Merritt, Smith, Eitenne, and another guy I really like is LaQuint Allen in the 4-5th rd range. Croskey Merritt/ Smith and Hunter are my favorites. Tuten would be without the fumbling issues. He's a differencemaker.
I would like for them to take 2 rbs
 
Only 1 or 2 WRs I would take in the 1st round period. It's a deep draft for many positions, WR is one. As for WRs who can create separation and be a sure #2 they don't have to be the fastest. Look at Rice, he was not the fastest by a large margin (4.71 40). Yet wasn't caught easily from behind. Creating separation is not all about speed. I see some true technicians in this draft I would take over pure speed any day.
 
Only 1 or 2 WRs I would take in the 1st round period. It's a deep draft for many positions, WR is one. As for WRs who can create separation and be a sure #2 they don't have to be the fastest. Look at Rice, he was not the fastest by a large margin (4.71 40). Yet wasn't caught easily from behind. Creating separation is not all about speed. I see some true technicians in this draft I would take over pure speed any day.
For example?
 
Only 1 or 2 WRs I would take in the 1st round period. It's a deep draft for many positions, WR is one. As for WRs who can create separation and be a sure #2 they don't have to be the fastest. Look at Rice, he was not the fastest by a large margin (4.71 40). Yet wasn't caught easily from behind. Creating separation is not all about speed. I see some true technicians in this draft I would take over pure speed any day.
Yep, this line of thinking is why Woods/Metchie/Hutch were on the roster last yr. There's only one Rice.

Give me guys that are threats to score everytime they touch the ball.
 
For example?


Probably 2 of maybe 3 I would take in the 1st. Golden is good but has some issues with drops and medical issues. Tetairoa McMillan, is a smooth route guy not a speedster with a 4.55 at his pro day didn't run at the combine (some say 4.6's).

Harris is not bad at all, and Burden is a hit or miss. He is either going to be really good or bad. Time will tell. I say that because I have seen him kinda vanish in games. Was it him or the other team. I have also seen it mentioned in scouting reports as "boom or bust".

A little article on Golden I just saw. Kinda saying alot.

 
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I like Restrepo and Hawes!

I’m not the biggest fan of Tuten. He fumbles way too much for my liking.
By this logic would you have passed on Adrian Peterson, who fumbled 20 times in his 3 years at OU. Compared to Tuten's 9 in 2 years at Virgina Tech (no fumbles at NC A&T)?
 
By this logic would you have passed on Adrian Peterson, who fumbled 20 times in his 3 years at OU. Compared to Tuten's 9 in 2 years at Virgina Tech (no fumbles at NC A&T)?

Maybe, but scouts due pay attention to fumbles...you kind of have to be sure that they hold on to the ball after a 20yrd gain.
 
Anyone hear if Loveland has a visit scheduled? I have heard a few people mention it but haven't seen it as for sure
 
Maybe, but scouts due pay attention to fumbles...you kind of have to be sure that they hold on to the ball after a 20yrd gain.
They pay less attention if they look and run like Adrian Peterson.

Buten will be drafted, but it's not like he's head and shoulders over the other 2nd/3rd tier RBs. The fumbles will hurt him in some teams' eyes.
 
Maybe, but scouts due pay attention to fumbles...you kind of have to be sure that they hold on to the ball after a 20yrd gain.
Of all of the possible flaws a RB can have, fumbling is one of the easier ones to fix.

They pay less attention if they look and run like Adrian Peterson.

Buten will be drafted, but it's not like he's head and shoulders over the other 2nd/3rd tier RBs. The fumbles will hurt him in some teams' eyes.
Agreed, but 9 fumbles across 3 (not to quote "way too much") seasons isn't that bad. Historically there have been guys who fumbled with much more frequency with no impact on their draft stock
 
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Probably 2 of maybe 3 I would take in the 1st. Golden is good but has some issues with drops and medical issues. Tetairoa McMillan, is a smooth route guy not a speedster with a 4.55 at his pro day didn't run at the combine (some say 4.6's).

Harris is not bad at all, and Burden is a hit or miss. He is either going to be really good or bad. Time will tell. I say that because I have seen him kinda vanish in games. Was it him or the other team. I have also seen it mentioned in scouting reports as "boom or bust".

A little article on Golden I just saw. Kinda saying alot.


I like Higgins as the Texans future WR2. I like Thornton Jr as the Texans WR3 whenever they want a 3 or 4 receiver set. He could definitely help in this regard as they tighten up his route tree.
 
They pay less attention if they look and run like Adrian Peterson.

Buten will be drafted, but it's not like he's head and shoulders over the other 2nd/3rd tier RBs. The fumbles will hurt him in some teams' eyes.

Fumbles will drop a player some in a RB. But, a WR with concentration drops is a bigger problem, one that I would be more careful about. It can be hand size, but once you rule that out it's not paying attention to the ball, fear of getting hit (very bad), poor vision, not running routes correctly and other issues. Trying to figure out which it is is dangerous with a WR. It might be a simple thing to fix or it could be something that you can't totally fix...or at all.
 
Tuten is high on my day 3 list. I also like Blue and Brashard Smith. All of these guys have some real juice and offer something not on the current roster. But I think Tuten might be the best of the three imho. Slight worry about the fumbles but worth the risk.
 
Tuten is high on my day 3 list. I also like Blue and Brashard Smith. All of these guys have some real juice and offer something not on the current roster. But I think Tuten might be the best of the three imho. Slight worry about the fumbles but worth the risk.
Like all three, Smith's ability to run routes as a back is probably tops in this class. Not surprising since he's a former WR. This year's Tyron Tracey Jr.
 
I like ball security. I want our offense to continue to move forward and not rely on our defense (although I think our defense is top 5).
I dont really think avg 3 fumbles a year really doesn't say Tuten has ball security issues IMHO. One things for sure, he's a homerun hitter.
 
My two favorite WRs in this draft are Emeka Egbuka and Jack Bech. Both profile as “safe” WR2 type upside picks. But I think they fit like a glove with a Mcvay type offense and if Caley brings those concepts to the Texans then we could see Robert Woods Rams production out of them.

I think Egbuka is a 1st rounder. Probably have to stick and pick him at 25, don’t think he’ll go past Buffalo. Bech i’d say will settle as a top 50 pick. I’d consider trading up for him starting around where the Texans traded up for Metchie (pick 44).

To get there it will probably take packaging pick 89. Would you trade 58 and 89 to get Bech on your team?

Golden would be a “flashier” pick because he has the ability to take the top off a defense. And that’s great, but I think winning those intermediate routes consistently translates better to the NFL. Golden just did not have enough college production to put him ahead of these two for me. I want those 10-15 yard slants to be easy money and Egbuka/Bech would make that happen.
 
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My two favorite WRs in this draft are Emeka Egbuka and Jack Bech. Both profile as “safe” WR2 type upside picks. But I think they fit like a glove with a Mcvay type offense and if Caley brings those concepts to the Texans then we could see Robert Woods Rams production out of them.

I think Egbuka is a 1st rounder. Probably have to stick and pick him at 25, don’t think he’ll go past Buffalo. Bech i’d say will settle as a top 50 pick. I’d consider trading up for him starting around where the Texans traded up for Metchie (pick 44).

To get there it will probably take packaging pick 89. Would you trade 58 and 89 to get Bech on your team?

Golden would be a “flashier” pick because he has the ability to take the top off a defense. And that’s great, but I think winning those intermediate routes consistently translates better to the NFL. Golden just did not have enough college production to put him ahead of these two for me. I want those 10-15 yard slants to be easy money and Egbuka/Bech would make that happen.
Egbuka is my fallback third choice behind Golden and Burden, both whom I'm thinking will go earlier than our pick at 25. I'm still sticking with our first pick being a receiver.

I like Beck, but we have his skill set in Collins. We need speed and more speed for WR2.
 
Egbuka is my fallback third choice behind Golden and Burden, both whom I'm thinking will go earlier than our pick at 25. I'm still sticking with our first pick being a receiver.

I like Beck, but we have his skill set in Collins. We need speed and more speed for WR2.
I’d say Bech and Egbuka are both in that Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods and Puka Nakua type.

Nico is a unicorn and the team’s defacto deep threat currently. If you want speed at WR2 Egbuka isn’t your guy.

And i’m not inclined to reach for a prospect I think is inferior as a player (Golden vs Egbuka for example) because I want one thing from the position. Take what this class gives you and in that case it’s players that provide steady reliable production on the short/intermediate crossers.

If you’re really jonesing for speed use a later draft pick again on the position for a prospect who has that trait but also has some more question marks.

I would be down for Kyle Williams to be that speed guy but not before the 3rd. Like @steelbtexan has mentioned, not a lot of difference between him and Golden. But I like Bech better and would take him round 2. I’d place Williams a tier below because of his size and I value Bech’s ability to contribute to the overall offense more than the handful of shot play opportunities i’d expect from Williams.
 
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Although Egbuka doesn't have blazing speed, at 4.45 it's more than adequate and in the upper third, rating for speed.

Beck, at 4.55, is in the bottom third.

But I agree there are several players that will be available in later rounds, but with size limitations that give me pause. I like Egbuka's combination of size and speed; and these combined with the strength of his scouting report.
 
I’m in, regarding a WR with separation speed…..that’s 6-5 209 lb Dont’e Thornton Jr who posted a 4.30-40. With his 25.4 YPC (SEC) this season states that he’s more than capable of taking the top off defenses. Nico came in at 6-4 218 lbs and posted a 4.43-40 at the Michigan Pro Day. Pairing Dont’e with Nico would give CJ the right duo to work with.
Opto, excellent thought .... I think. I've been wondering about that a lot. Doubling up on a certain type of WR or RB .... Is it a good thing because you send two tall fast receivers simultaneously .... or is it smarter to send one of each - Slot, prototype, and tall, all on the same play - to different parts of the field ? I think I could argue it both ways
 
I’d say Bech and Egbuka are both in that Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods and Puka Nakua type.

Nico is a unicorn and the team’s defacto deep threat currently. If you want speed at WR2 Egbuka isn’t your guy.

And i’m not inclined to reach for a prospect I think is inferior as a player (Golden vs Egbuka for example) because I want one thing from the position. Take what this class gives you and in that case it’s players that provide steady reliable production on the short/intermediate crossers.

If you’re really jonesing for speed use a later draft pick again on the position for a prospect who has that trait but also has some more question marks.

I would be down for Kyle Williams to be that speed guy but not before the 3rd. Like @steelbtexan has mentioned, not a lot of difference between him and Golden. But I like Bech better and would take him round 2. I’d place Williams a tier below because of his size and I value Bech’s ability to contribute to the overall offense more than the handful of shot play opportunities i’d expect from Williams.
I like Bech a lot but wouldn't trade up from 2-58 to get him. I'm a Williams guy, he also has proven he can run those crossers. If both Bech and Williams are there at 2-58 I'm not sure who I would pick.
 
Although Egbuka doesn't have blazing speed, at 4.45 it's more than adequate and in the upper third, rating for speed.

Beck, at 4.55, is in the bottom third.

But I agree there are several players that will be available in later rounds, but with size limitations that give me pause. I like Egbuka's combination of size and speed; and these combined with the strength of his scouting report.
Egbuka run on OSU downhill track. Everybody runs faster there.
 
Opto, excellent thought .... I think. I've been wondering about that a lot. Doubling up on a certain type of WR or RB .... Is it a good thing because you send two tall fast receivers simultaneously .... or is it smarter to send one of each - Slot, prototype, and tall, all on the same play - to different parts of the field ? I think I could argue it both ways

I’d like to get WR- Jayden Higgins (Iowa State) as well. Higgins is a bigger faster version of DHop. He’s also a solid route runner. I’d like to have him as WR2….while having an absolute downfield weapon in Thornton Jr as WR4.

Having Collins, Higgins, Kirk, and Thornton would give CJ more than capable receivers at every level of the field. I also like the size mismatches this group could provide.
 
My two favorite WRs in this draft are Emeka Egbuka and Jack Bech. Both profile as “safe” WR2 type upside picks. But I think they fit like a glove with a Mcvay type offense and if Caley brings those concepts to the Texans then we could see Robert Woods Rams production out of them.

I think Egbuka is a 1st rounder. Probably have to stick and pick him at 25, don’t think he’ll go past Buffalo. Bech i’d say will settle as a top 50 pick. I’d consider trading up for him starting around where the Texans traded up for Metchie (pick 44).

To get there it will probably take packaging pick 89. Would you trade 58 and 89 to get Bech on your team?

Golden would be a “flashier” pick because he has the ability to take the top off a defense. And that’s great, but I think winning those intermediate routes consistently translates better to the NFL. Golden just did not have enough college production to put him ahead of these two for me. I want those 10-15 yard slants to be easy money and Egbuka/Bech would make that happen.
I would not trade 58 and 89 to trade up for Egbuka.
 
I’d say Bech and Egbuka are both in that Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods and Puka Nakua type.

Nico is a unicorn and the team’s defacto deep threat currently. If you want speed at WR2 Egbuka isn’t your guy.

And i’m not inclined to reach for a prospect I think is inferior as a player (Golden vs Egbuka for example) because I want one thing from the position. Take what this class gives you and in that case it’s players that provide steady reliable production on the short/intermediate crossers.

If you’re really jonesing for speed use a later draft pick again on the position for a prospect who has that trait but also has some more question marks.

I would be down for Kyle Williams to be that speed guy but not before the 3rd. Like @steelbtexan has mentioned, not a lot of difference between him and Golden. But I like Bech better and would take him round 2. I’d place Williams a tier below because of his size and I value Bech’s ability to contribute to the overall offense more than the handful of shot play opportunities i’d expect from Williams.
1. Golden 2 trade up Donovan Jackson 3.79 Grant 3.89 Williams 5. Best RB.
 
Opto, excellent thought .... I think. I've been wondering about that a lot. Doubling up on a certain type of WR or RB .... Is it a good thing because you send two tall fast receivers simultaneously .... or is it smarter to send one of each - Slot, prototype, and tall, all on the same play - to different parts of the field ? I think I could argue it both ways
Give me two fast deep receivers. Each can have half the field to do whatever they want: continue deep, what we used to call button hooks, or stop and starts and breaks to respective sideline. Many of the fast deep guys like Golden are good at shorter distances also.
 
It's a shame that blonde-haired - long-named kid ran a 4.8 40 the other day. He looks quick and bouncy. I think he's got that "Oh yes I can" look to him. Speed or no, he'd find a way to get open .... so would Bech .... of course, he's not that slow. I can't help but admire Golden and Egbuka - 'course we don't have 2 firsts ! There's another fast guy a round or so down .... Jaylin Noel ! And of course I always forget Luther Burden. Damn .... there's a bunch !
 
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I like Higgins as the Texans future WR2. I like Thornton Jr as the Texans WR3 whenever they want a 3 or 4 receiver set. He could definitely help in this regard as they tighten up his route tree.
I love Higgins! My biggest desire is to get WR's with size. and speed. I would like to get two from a pool of Higgins (6' 4"/ 215 Lbs 4.46 40) 2nd round, Savion Williams (6' 5"/ 225 Lbs 4.43 40) late 3rd Round, and Troy Horton (6' 2" 205 Lbs 4.44 40) (4th or 5th round).

And yes, I do know we do not have enough picks (with no 4th at all) to get all these guys along with the OL and DT help we also need, so trader Nick is going to have to work his magic to make this all work. I believe that Nick will trade out of the 1st round to pick up an early addition 2nd and an additional 3rd (ie we trade the 25th and end up with two 2nds and three 3rds, plus the three late-round picks).
 
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I like Bech a lot but wouldn't trade up from 2-58 to get him. I'm a Williams guy, he also has proven he can run those crossers. If both Bech and Williams are there at 2-58 I'm not sure who I would pick.
I think Williams is the closest guy to Tank Dell in this draft. I’d rank Bech over Williams for this team because I think he would help the overall offense more (inside/outside versatility and size to become a plus blocker). Could also experiment with running him as your move TE and get him matched up on LBs in coverage (heard Steve Smith mention that).

Also because it’s so hard for smaller guys to win in the NFL as an elite separator. Williams is not as small as Dell but he is going to be smaller/weaker than an NFL DB more often than not.

Dell, when healthy, is the exception. But that’s the other thing, the small frame means more likely to get injured.

Dell went top of round 3 because of size concerns and had elite production. I would think Bech goes top 50 and Williams probably late 2nd-early round 3.
 
I love Higgins! My biggest desire is to get WR's with size. and speed. I would like to get two from a pool of Higgins (6' 4"/ 215 Lbs 4.46 40) 2nd round, Savion Williams (6' 5"/ 225 Lbs 4.43 40) late 3rd Round, and Troy Horton (6' 2" 205 Lbs 4.44 40) (4th or 5th round).

And yes, I do know we do not have enough picks (with no 4th at all) to get all these guys along with the OL and DT help we also need, so trader Nick is going to have to work his magic to make this all work. I believe that Nick will trade out of the 1st round to pick up an early addition 2nd and an additional 3rd (ie we trade the 25th and end up with two 2nds and three 3rds, plus the three late-round picks).
Higgins, to me, is really interesting. In terms of ceiling he’s one of the few guys who could be a WR1 in this draft. Same size/athletic numbers as Nico.

Like Nico, I think it will take time for him to hit that ceiling if he’ll hit it. He’s more polished than Nico was coming out so I think he’ll go a round earlier. Steve Smith thinks he can get into round 1.

But I don’t think he gives you that automatic chain moving on intermediate routes like Egbuka and Bech do. But he’s got the tools to get there.

Would be really interesting if this team could get two Nicos! Why bother finding different types of WRs if you could do that?!

In sum: Don’t think he is an immediate impact starter year 1. Situational WR3 probably comparable stats to Keon Coleman. But could be best WR in this class by year 3.

Speaking of Keon Coleman, I think Higgins is better. I’d assume he goes in that range which means Texans would need to get him at 25. They’d have to be REAL confident he’s the next Nico if they pull the trigger there.

 
I think Williams is the closest guy to Tank Dell in this draft. I’d rank Bech over Williams for this team because I think he would help the overall offense more (inside/outside versatility and size to become a plus blocker). Could also experiment with running him as your move TE and get him matched up on LBs in coverage (heard Steve Smith mention that).

Also because it’s so hard for smaller guys to win in the NFL as an elite separator. Williams is not as small as Dell but he is going to be smaller/weaker than an NFL DB more often than not.

Dell, when healthy, is the exception. But that’s the other thing, the small frame means more likely to get injured.

Dell went top of round 3 because of size concerns and had elite production. I would think Bech goes top 50 and Williams probably late 2nd-early round 3.
So 2-58 should be the area where Williams gets picked.

At 190 Williams has about 25 lbs on Dell. You must not be that high on Noel either? He's about the same size as Williams?
 
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