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Would it be a bad idea for the XFL to make its way to Houston? Could it be a threat to the Texans?

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/25/vince-mcmahon-xfl-nfl

As you all may already know, Vinny Mac is bringing back the XFL in 2020.

Now, let’s say Houston gets a team and the XFL is as good as it once was (in terms of entertainment) can it actually give the Texans a run for their money? I’m sure McNair would fight Vince McMahon till the end to keep the XFL away from Houston, but I seriously doubt he can even compete with Vince.

If the XFL brings a team to our city, ill roll with it! Maybe Vince will actually put together a product (for Houston) worth the money. I won’t stop rooting for the Texans though.
 
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It’s intersting timing for sure. If they show good things in 2020 the CBA expires at the end of that same year. Might be able to steal away lower level nfl players.
 
There aren't enough starting quality QB's to go around the NFL and you really think people are going to watch guys that aren't even 3rd string worthy.
 
It MIGHT slow down price hikes on tickets and beer - but no threat otherwise. The seasons won't overlap and the antics from their previous run keep me wondering about their credibility. The local xfl team would need a big name cast off (a modern day vy, tebow, manziel type) or championship runs to make a dent locally imo.

I do think the xfl is/was not afraid to be innovative and they may do some things (again) that the NFL eventually adopts. They may actually figure out what a catch is for instance. All in all, that's good for fans.
 
I like the idea of McMahon trying to re-establish the XFL. He's not going to compete with the NFL even when you factor in his wealth or even if he had a business partner like Mark Cuban. This is one time the David and Goliath story works in the favor of Goliath.

They have to focus on running the XFL according to the rules and regs of the NFL. No one wants to watch scripted football games that include eye pokes, specialty tackles with names or the ability to allow one player only known to the refs to enter the field of play to make a tackle when his team is on defense.

The real key, trot out a lower talent level version of the NFL and try to hit that magic 2 hour time limit and it could create some interest.

Houston would be a cool location but in all seriousness, San Antonio would be my target since they have an empty ready to go stadium with just about the right amount of seats provided they cover the ridiculously designed corner seats. Get this to the USFL level without the crazy contracts and he could be on to something.
 
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There aren't enough starting quality QB's to go around the NFL and you really think people are going to watch guys that aren't even 3rd string worthy.

Yeah. That Jim Kelly guy sucked.

OTOH I doubt a team would garner much interest here. We are already tired of watching 3rd string QB's.

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A spring football league with a team in Houston is something I'd watch, most especially if it plays in the NFL's offseason. If they start competing for the good NFL players though, it'll never last. As long as they are content with being a minor league, I think they'd do OK with a good tv contract.
 
I like the idea of McMahon trying to re-establish the XFL. He's not going to compete with the NFL even when you factor in his wealth or even if he had a business partner like Mark Cuban. This is one time the David and Goliath story works in the favor of Goliath.

They have to focus on running the XFL according to the rules and regs of the NFL. No one wants to watch scripted football games that include eye pokes, specialty tackles with names or the ability to allow one player only known to the refs to enter the field of play to make a tackle when on defense.

The real key, trot out a lower talent level version of the NFL and try to hit that magic 2 hour time limit and it could create some interest.

Houston would be a cool location but in all seriousness, San Antonio would be my target since they have an empty ready to go stadium with just about the right amount of seats provided they cover the ridiculously designed corner seats. Get this to the USFL level without the crazy contracts and he could be on to something.
This.

As long as it isn't like watching a football game geared towards Beavis and Butthead with stupid nicknames and all the gimmicks.... Id watch.
 
Isn't this going to be a spring league? If so, why not have a team here? Bring back the Gamblers!!
That’s what Vince said, he’s not exactly going head to head with the NFL, it’s actually something to watch during the off-season.

I can’t help but think of Boxing vs MMA when talking about the NFL vs XFL. One has been around forever, and isn’t going anywhere while all the young cats claim the old timer is “dead” and the new crap is taking over. It’s nice to have options, sure, but the big dogs (NFL, and Boxing) ain’t going anywhere.
 
That’s what Vince said, he’s not exactly going head to head with the NFL, it’s actually something to watch during the off-season.

I can’t help but think of Boxing vs MMA when talking about the NFL vs XFL. One has been around forever, and isn’t going anywhere while all the young cats claim the old timer is “dead” and the new crap is taking over. It’s nice to have options, sure, but the big dogs (NFL, and Boxing) ain’t going anywhere.

The NFL is completely maxed out as far as available talent that can truly thrive in a professional league. Any draft pick past the 5th round and you're already scraping bottom and just hoping for the best. And we all know there aren't and probably never will be enough truly capable and wonderful QBs to go around amongst the 32 teams.

A minor league is a minor league and will never be anything but that, full of players that are athletic and capable, but just aren't good enough for the NFL. There's nothing wrong with that, and knowing that and cheering on your local minor league team. Like I said though, I doubt very much Houston will get one of these teams. It would certainly be interesting if they did though. It's not like we haven't nitpicked to death anything and everything about the Texans and we don't have a few finger strokes left to use on an XFL team.
 
The NFL is completely maxed out as far as available talent that can truly thrive in a professional league. Any draft pick past the 5th round and you're already scraping bottom and just hoping for the best. And we all know there aren't and probably never will be enough truly capable and wonderful QBs to go around amongst the 32 teams.

A minor league is a minor league and will never be anything but that, full of players that are athletic and capable, but just aren't good enough for the NFL. There's nothing wrong with that, and knowing that and cheering on your local minor league team. Like I said though, I doubt very much Houston will get one of these teams. It would certainly be interesting if they did though. It's not like we haven't nitpicked to death anything and everything about the Texans and we don't have a few finger strokes left to use on an XFL team.
I think the thinking is these players you speak of will get 2-3 years training that could boost them to NFL; years they would not have gotten as not drafted by NFL. We always talk on this MB about players who leave Houston and then go elsewhere and make good. Expectations for XFL players should not be exactly same as NFL guys. McMahon needs to pick his areas to put teams carefully with owners who have patience and bucks to look future not sucking money into their wallets immediately. I agree odds way against another league.
 
The NFL is completely maxed out as far as available talent that can truly thrive in a professional league. Any draft pick past the 5th round and you're already scraping bottom and just hoping for the best. And we all know there aren't and probably never will be enough truly capable and wonderful QBs to go around amongst the 32 teams.

A minor league is a minor league and will never be anything but that, full of players that are athletic and capable, but just aren't good enough for the NFL. There's nothing wrong with that, and knowing that and cheering on your local minor league team. Like I said though, I doubt very much Houston will get one of these teams. It would certainly be interesting if they did though. It's not like we haven't nitpicked to death anything and everything about the Texans and we don't have a few finger strokes left to use on an XFL team.

This is a description of many if not most college teams.............very enjoyable to watch in most cases, especially when you have a team to root for. No reason to think that there will not be a significant following by a segment of football fannage...........especially when there is semblance of lull in other football activities.
 
That’s what Vince said, he’s not exactly going head to head with the NFL, it’s actually something to watch during the off-season.

I can’t help but think of Boxing vs MMA when talking about the NFL vs XFL. One has been around forever, and isn’t going anywhere while all the young cats claim the old timer is “dead” and the new crap is taking over. It’s nice to have options, sure, but the big dogs (NFL, and Boxing) ain’t going anywhere.
yeah XFL should not have goal of up seating NFL just co-existing. Linda McMahon ran most of business side of WWE and seems to be doing well on Donald Trumps team. She is considered very smart lady. A league beginning in February and going to say July for five month for 12-14 games and championship playoffs before too much heat. with playoffs being in non team towns perhaps in cooler climates could also increase fans.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/25/vince-mcmahon-xfl-nfl

As you all may already know, Vinny Mac is bringing back the XFL in 2020.

Now, let’s say Houston gets a team and the XFL is as good as it once was (in terms of entertainment) can it actually give the Texans a run for their money? I’m sure McNair would fight Vince McMahon till the end to keep the XFL away from Houston, but I seriously doubt he can even compete with Vince.

If the XFL brings a team to our city, ill roll with it! Maybe Vince will actually put together a product (for Houston) worth the money. I won’t stop rooting for the Texans though.

What is this fixation people have with this stupid, garbage league? As good as it once was? Are you kidding? Could it be a threat to the Texans? Seriously?

The XFL, if it ever reappears isn't even a threat to pay the second year of whatever leases they sign with stadiums they intend to play in.
 
The NFL is completely maxed out as far as available talent that can truly thrive in a professional league. Any draft pick past the 5th round and you're already scraping bottom and just hoping for the best. And we all know there aren't and probably never will be enough truly capable and wonderful QBs to go around amongst the 32 teams.

A minor league is a minor league and will never be anything but that, full of players that are athletic and capable, but just aren't good enough for the NFL. There's nothing wrong with that, and knowing that and cheering on your local minor league team. Like I said though, I doubt very much Houston will get one of these teams. It would certainly be interesting if they did though. It's not like we haven't nitpicked to death anything and everything about the Texans and we don't have a few finger strokes left to use on an XFL team.
Dunno if you heard Thorn, but the Pats have this 6th round guy who's kinda making a name for himself in the league lately ?
 
Where did I say it was?

Whoosh---Obviously you missed the point.

Hershel Walker was another player from an inferior league that fared pretty well in the NFL.

:coffee:

My point was that the XFL wouldn't be getting the NFL caliber draft picks like the USFL did. I wasn't trying to argue your point that I understood very well
 
Dunno if you heard Thorn, but the Pats have this 6th round guy who's kinda making a name for himself in the league lately ?

Seriously? There are always exceptions. Hell, you could also point out the Texans and their two really excellent UDFA acquisitions of Arian Foster and A. J. Bouye. As a general rule, anything after the 5th round is a crapshoot but it doesn't mean you won't get lucky.
 
There aren't enough starting quality QB's to go around the NFL and you really think people are going to watch guys that aren't even 3rd string worthy.

I like Bill Barnwell's take on that opinion:

Nobody would have said that Keenum was an upper-echelon starter before this season. If anything, they would have held up Keenum's 24 pro starts as proof that there weren't enough good quarterbacks to go around in the NFL. Yet here we are in Week 12, and Keenum ranks second in Total QBR and 10th in passer rating through 10 games and 330 pass attempts. If he isn't a good quarterback, he sure is doing a wicked impersonation of one.

You might argue that Keenum is in a great situation to succeed given the quality of his defense and his receivers, and I'd agree. If Keenum can look like a Pro Bowler in that context, though, we need to change the way we talk about scarcity. Instead of saying that there aren't 32 good quarterbacks to go around, we should be saying that there aren't 32 good situations for quarterbacks at any given time in the NFL.
 
My point was that the XFL wouldn't be getting the NFL caliber draft picks like the USFL did. I wasn't trying to argue your point that I understood very well

Fair enough. My whoosh then. :highfive:

Like others here I doubt it gets off the ground.

:coffee:
 
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Yeah. That Jim Kelly guy sucked.

OTOH I doubt a team would garner much interest here. We are already tired of watching 3rd string QB's.

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One guy out of how many was outstanding? The semi pro league with pro talent I watch is college football. This is basically a poor mans version of the CFL. Could have some entertainment value to get my interest but not enough to hold my interest.
 
I’m not watching, be it live or on the tube. Because McMahon will turn it into a farce. I feel bad for the young men who participate. Will they be looked after and protected? The NFL has done a sub standard job at that. McMahon won’t make an effort. Any responsible fan would pass on this fake football.
 
One guy out of how many was outstanding? The semi pro league with pro talent I watch is college football. This is basically a poor mans version of the CFL. Could have some entertainment value to get my interest but not enough to hold my interest.

I wonder how CFB would handle the situation if a few of the top recruits bypassed CFB and signed with the XFL. There would be nothing in their bylaws preventing them from doing just that. The bigger dilemma, how does the NFL handle this?
 
One guy out of how many was outstanding? The semi pro league with pro talent I watch is college football. This is basically a poor mans version of the CFL. Could have some entertainment value to get my interest but not enough to hold my interest.

I wonder how CFB would handle the situation if a few of the top recruits bypassed CFB and signed with the XFL. There would be nothing in their bylaws preventing them from doing just that. The bigger dilemma, how does the NFL handle this?
 
I wonder how CFB would handle the situation if a few of the top recruits bypassed CFB and signed with the XFL. There would be nothing in their bylaws preventing them from doing just that. The bigger dilemma, how does the NFL handle this?
Great point I don’t even consider this. I don’t think it would hurt the NFL more than it would hurt college football.
 
I’m not watching, be it live or on the tube. Because McMahon will turn it into a farce. I feel bad for the young men who participate. Will they be looked after and protected? The NFL has done a sub standard job at that. McMahon won’t make an effort. Any responsible fan would pass on this fake football.

Huh?

Let's be honest most of these guys would never have a shot at playing in the NFL anyway and the football minor leagues get about as much attention as the local flag football group. At least this way they get to play, make some money and maybe, unlikely but maybe, get noticed by an NFL team that has lots of holes to fill and is rebuilding anyway.

Say what you want about McMahon but he does know how to promote and get attention and if he's being truthful about it not being WWE with a football then it might good for players and fans.

If nothing else I hope it puts pressure on the NFL, right now they have no reason to make the game better because outside college, which many watch because they either went to that college or they are scouting to see future NFL players, they are the only game in town for football.

This means that they can do whatever stupid thing they want, current catch rules come to mind, and though we may ***** and moan if we want to watch football then we have to just suck it up.

So yeah I'll watch this and hope that McMahon makes a success out of it because the NFL needs something to be competative, even if just barely, or we're going to keep having these stupid political stands, rules that make no sense, jacked up prices and all the other things that we hate about the NFL because why should they change any of it.

I'm not an NFL fan or XFL or college or any other league fan, I'm a football fan because I love the game and a Texans fan because moving to Houston finally gave me a hone team to cheer for. As a responsible fan I feel like I should support anything that might make the game, if not a specific league, better.
 
What is this fixation people have with this stupid, garbage league? As good as it once was? Are you kidding? Could it be a threat to the Texans? Seriously?

The XFL, if it ever reappears isn't even a threat to pay the second year of whatever leases they sign with stadiums they intend to play in.
I get your feelings but to be fair, McMahon can spend millions (just his) and still be more than solvent. The super rich that should and more than likely are being considered to bring into this venture will be also. If I look at only the "threat to Texans" I say even if successful the league will not threaten the local Houston team. McMahon does not have to do that to be profitable. Is it a hobby or ego or does he just want to add this to his bucket list? I just don't get why all the negativity? If he succeeds (and only McMahon knows how to define success) so what? If he fails he can just look at Ted Turner who IIRC still has mucho dinero.
 
I just thought the XFL was little better than "Battle of The Network Stars" and complete garbage so as it pertains to me (YMMV) there's no way in all of reality that I'd want it back. I guess if it succeeds (by not going belly-up within a year or two) then it just joins all the other "entertainment" out there that I don't care for.

I don't get what anyone sees in it that can't already be found in the various college football levels. For me professional football is already approaching over saturation levels. Too much of it too often and it already tries too hard to stay in my face year round. The last thing we need is more leagues, more teams, and more games... particularly bad ones.

Again YMMV.
 
I get your feelings but to be fair, McMahon can spend millions (just his) and still be more than solvent. The super rich that should and more than likely are being considered to bring into this venture will be also. If I look at only the "threat to Texans" I say even if successful the league will not threaten the local Houston team. McMahon does not have to do that to be profitable. Is it a hobby or ego or does he just want to add this to his bucket list? I just don't get why all the negativity? If he succeeds (and only McMahon knows how to define success) so what? If he fails he can just look at Ted Turner who IIRC still has mucho dinero.

The negativity, from me at least, is to the OPs question of it being a threat to the Texans. Hell no to that. I mentioned in the other XFL thread that it can be successful without having to dethrone the NFL. There's all kinds of minor league sports in this country that are successful, and if there's a market out there for minor league talent football, then I don't know why it can't make a little money. But to think it will rival, or "threaten" the NFL is just silly.
 
Seriously? There are always exceptions. Hell, you could also point out the Texans and their two really excellent UDFA acquisitions of Arian Foster and A. J. Bouye. As a general rule, anything after the 5th round is a crapshoot but it doesn't mean you won't get lucky.
For the Texans, everything from the 1st round up has been a crap shoot.
 
I don't get what anyone sees in it that can't already be found in the various college football levels.

I'll answer that from my POV, doesn't mean it applies to anyone else.

1.) I like any given college game in the moment. But when I step back and think about the bigger context, in terms of both the college playoffs and in terms of the NCAA and colleges profiting off these young men, it turns me off. I watch a few games a year and that's it. The playoffs are a joke, and college football is scared of nothing more than having one of their power 5 teams upset in a playoff game by a "lesser" team. I just can't get with a league that chooses who has a shot at the championship by throwing a few people in a back room somewhere and just deciding. Decide it on the field or not at all.

2.) The best of the best of the best from college football make it to the NFL and we all love watching those guys. Sometimes they succeed and sometimes they fail. Sometimes players develop in the NFL and become the players everyone hoped they could be. Sometimes, undrafted or late round guys get an opportunity and shine. But if you take the next cut, the second best guys from all the teams in college football, you'd have a league full of guys that could beat college teams. If those undrafted guys end up in the XFL, that's potentially a lot of talent worth watching. And yeah, I expect the NFL will poach from the XFL and I don't see that as a bad thing, just as I expect the XFL will poach guys like Tebow. Again, not a bad thing.

3.) I would like spring football. The NFL does their best to saturate the market, but something I've learned in the last couple years is that only happens because we allow it in our personal lives. I have had a lot of personal stuff happen to me in the last couple years that has cut into my football time quite a lot. And you know? Life without NFL Total Access is just fine. Not knowing or caring who is on Monday or Thursday night is a good thing. I watch the Texans. The rest of my NFL experience has reverted to pre-saturation levels. And I have found that I enjoy that. So when I say that I want spring football, I mean that I would rather watch a real game between two teams than watch a combine workout, the latest blotter report on NFLN, what player signed where today, or what three ex-players think about the Browns' chances to become a contender in 5 months because they just drafted some QB the prior weekend that they'll ruin anyway.

All that being said, I have no delusions that it'll actually take off. Whatever league ever forms to fill that void will have to stay in its lane. The USFL was for real but it was ruined by a few idiots, led by Trump, of course. But they had a real TV deal, a decent amount of money to work with (which they overspent), a truly solid talent level even beyond the superstars, and an undeniable appeal. It's not 1983 anymore, of course, so things have changed drastically. Nevertheless, I'd love to see a successful spring football league that does NOT challenge the NFL.
 
I'll answer that from my POV, doesn't mean it applies to anyone else.

1.) I like any given college game in the moment. But when I step back and think about the bigger context, in terms of both the college playoffs and in terms of the NCAA and colleges profiting off these young men, it turns me off. I watch a few games a year and that's it. The playoffs are a joke, and college football is scared of nothing more than having one of their power 5 teams upset in a playoff game by a "lesser" team. I just can't get with a league that chooses who has a shot at the championship by throwing a few people in a back room somewhere and just deciding. Decide it on the field or not at all.

2.) The best of the best of the best from college football make it to the NFL and we all love watching those guys. Sometimes they succeed and sometimes they fail. Sometimes players develop in the NFL and become the players everyone hoped they could be. Sometimes, undrafted or late round guys get an opportunity and shine. But if you take the next cut, the second best guys from all the teams in college football, you'd have a league full of guys that could beat college teams. If those undrafted guys end up in the XFL, that's potentially a lot of talent worth watching. And yeah, I expect the NFL will poach from the XFL and I don't see that as a bad thing, just as I expect the XFL will poach guys like Tebow. Again, not a bad thing.

3.) I would like spring football. The NFL does their best to saturate the market, but something I've learned in the last couple years is that only happens because we allow it in our personal lives. I have had a lot of personal stuff happen to me in the last couple years that has cut into my football time quite a lot. And you know? Life without NFL Total Access is just fine. Not knowing or caring who is on Monday or Thursday night is a good thing. I watch the Texans. The rest of my NFL experience has reverted to pre-saturation levels. And I have found that I enjoy that. So when I say that I want spring football, I mean that I would rather watch a real game between two teams than watch a combine workout, the latest blotter report on NFLN, what player signed where today, or what three ex-players think about the Browns' chances to become a contender in 5 months because they just drafted some QB the prior weekend that they'll ruin anyway.

All that being said, I have no delusions that it'll actually take off. Whatever league ever forms to fill that void will have to stay in its lane. The USFL was for real but it was ruined by a few idiots, led by Trump, of course. But they had a real TV deal, a decent amount of money to work with (which they overspent), a truly solid talent level even beyond the superstars, and an undeniable appeal. It's not 1983 anymore, of course, so things have changed drastically. Nevertheless, I'd love to see a successful spring football league that does NOT challenge the NFL.

Appreciate the input and enjoyed reading your perspective. When McMahon sits down and starts to accept additional investors/team owners, I think it will be very important for everyone to accept the business slogan "We must stay in our swim lane and become the very best product we can become within those boundaries". I would still like to see the XFL -after a few seasons of success- poach a few top HS athletes from the clutches of CFB....especially if their sole interest in accepting a college scholarship is to use it as a stepping stone to the NFL. To be clear on this, a college athlete who already knows he will attend school for the minimum amount of time that it takes to become eligible for the NFL Draft. Instead of CFB getting rich on his gridiron efforts, he could get paid, while receiving better training in attaining his ultimate goal.
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/25/vince-mcmahon-xfl-nfl

As you all may already know, Vinny Mac is bringing back the XFL in 2020.

Now, let’s say Houston gets a team and the XFL is as good as it once was (in terms of entertainment) can it actually give the Texans a run for their money? I’m sure McNair would fight Vince McMahon till the end to keep the XFL away from Houston, but I seriously doubt he can even compete with Vince.

If the XFL brings a team to our city, ill roll with it! Maybe Vince will actually put together a product (for Houston) worth the money. I won’t stop rooting for the Texans though.
If it chooses to go the route of being as good as it once was (in terms of entertainment) this thread and the second coming of the XFL will be as dead as the first XFL and in shorter order than one season.

What needs to happen is for this iteration of the XFL to go the route founder of the USFL David Dixon wanted that league to go before some big egocentric rich men steered it down the wrong path. If this league uses patience than they have a chance. The key is putting together quality football first and foremost and tread lightly on the gimmicks in regards to that type of entertainment.
 
If it chooses to go the route of being as good as it once was (in terms of entertainment) this thread and the second coming of the XFL will be as dead as the first XFL and in shorter order than one season.

What needs to happen is for this iteration of the XFL to go the route founder of the USFL David Dixon wanted that league to go before some big egocentric rich men steered it down the wrong path. If this league uses patience than they have a chance. The key is putting together quality football first and foremost and tread lightly on the gimmicks in regards to that type of entertainment.

enjoyed reading it the first three times, but you really need to refresh your screen
 
I'd rather watch myself play Madden. :gamer:
I’d rather watch you play Madden ‘93.

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