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Worst off-season move so far?

Texan's worst off-season move/blunder?

  • Releasing Aaron Glenn

    Votes: 9 6.1%

  • Releasing Jamie Sharper

    Votes: 11 7.5%

  • Releasing Steve Foley

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Trading 2nd & 3rd RD picks for Phillip Buchanon

    Votes: 55 37.4%

  • Trading 2nd 3rd 4th RD picks to draft Jason Babin 27th overall

    Votes: 27 18.4%

  • Using 2nd round pick on Tony Hollings

    Votes: 9 6.1%

  • Giving Marcus Coleman a contract extension

    Votes: 4 2.7%

  • Signing Morlon Greenwood to a huge contract

    Votes: 6 4.1%

  • Passing on Derrick Johnson in the draft

    Votes: 16 10.9%

  • *predicts future* not drafting Reggie Bush

    Votes: 10 6.8%
  • Total voters
    147
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stevo3883

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I'm leaning towards the Buchanon trade. terrible, just terrible. it makes no sense. The worst defense in the league, trying desperatly to get rid of this guy... doesnt that give you some clues on his play?

maybe this off-season, we should pick up ahmad carroll, I hear he has major upside! we can cut d-rob as he is too old and his contract isnt cap friendly (we need a nice big 10+million cap buffer zone, incase we want to release AJ to make room for Bradford's new 7 yr $55million contract thats in the works)

Pbuc on 1 guy, Carroll on the other. 2 shut down corners... I would be in heaven
 
In attempt to turn this back into a more serious thread, I'd rate the Babin move as the worst. I can't say for sure yet that drafting Babin at all was a mistake, but trading off 3 (or 4?) picks to get him when he almost for sure would have been there for our next pick was horrible. We essentially gave the Titans four picks for us to gain nothing, and we had to pay Babin a little more as a first round pick than we would have after taking him in the second round.
 
I'd say releasing Glenn was the worst, we can all see that he was the leader in the secondary. And now we know that P-Buc doesn't have his head in the game.
 
All of these deals have been pretty rotten, and I was really hoping for DJ last year. Greenwood did get a very small signing bonus ($800k I think) though so we could cut him with little or no adverse effect ($600k cap hit next year) if we decided to do so.
 
How about declaring Wand unathletic and signing Victor Riley to replace him?

The O-line has been playing s-o-o much better this season with out Wand:sarcasm
 
I voted for the Babin pick. Giving up that many picks in such a deep class didn't seem like a good idea, even in the moments immidiately after it happened. I felt at the time we could have gotten a TE and an OLB capable of starting - or at least producing and contributing. It's an even worse move now since Babin hasn't done squat and Joppru's career as a football player isn't looking too bright.
 
MorKnolle said:
All of these deals have been pretty rotten, and I was really hoping for DJ last year. Greenwood did get a very small signing bonus ($800k I think) though so we could cut him with little or no adverse effect ($600k cap hit next year) if we decided to do so.
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Greenwood got a $7 mil signing bonus. He isn't going anywhere for a couple more years at least.
 
Gotta go with Babin with Buchanan a close 2nd. Babin was supposed to be the solution to our inept pass rush but to give up 3 picks to get him, he needs to put up big numbers and plays to justify it.
 
infantrycak said:
Greenwood got a $7 mil signing bonus. He isn't going anywhere for a couple more years at least.
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I must have been misinformed then. I was surprised that a $22 million salary would only have a $800k signing bonus.
 
wow, I look at all these moves listed and can't fathom Casserly being back here next year with so many bad picks on his watch.
 
I went with the Buchanon move. He was a known problem that hadn't lived up to his talent. We give up 2 first day picks...brilliant. That said, I'd bet that Hoke had more than a little influence on that decision.

A minor correction: We didn't release Foley. He was a FA that decided to move on like Posey. Still sucks that our staff couldn't see what he could do when not in a Fangio D.
 
MorKnolle said:
In attempt to turn this back into a more serious thread, I'd rate the Babin move as the worst. I can't say for sure yet that drafting Babin at all was a mistake, but trading off 3 (or 4?) picks to get him when he almost for sure would have been there for our next pick was horrible. We essentially gave the Titans four picks for us to gain nothing, and we had to pay Babin a little more as a first round pick than we would have after taking him in the second round.
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We could have gotten 3 solid players (possibly 2 starters TE and O-line with smart picks), but we got a project player who doesn't even start.
 
V Man said:
We could have gotten 3 solid players (possibly 2 starters TE and O-line with smart picks), but we got a project player who doesn't even start.
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And the worst part is we could have gotten that project player with our second round pick anyways without having to trade anything off.
 
MorKnolle said:
And the worst part is we could have gotten that project player with our second round pick anyways without having to trade anything off.
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Don't think I would've taken him there either. Would rather have had Ben Troupe there.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well.
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only room for 10 options. I could go all day with things that didnt pan out.

taking Gaffney 33rd overall
signing Todd Wade big contract
Drafting Carr is iffy... it was either him or harrington
taking bennie joppru over jason witten
signing riley
keeping bradford with guys like burress & muhammed out there


the bad moves easily outweight the good ones
 
PBuc because he really can't play and Babin can play, just doesn't seem to be worth the number of picks.
 
I voted for the Sharper release as the biggest screwup due to the lack of leadership now on the squad. But, all the options here qualify as bonehead moves, you can pretty much take you pick.

Nice list of screwups by the front office. Given this list, JJ may be right, in the fact that Charlie is more to blame the Capers. But, personally I would like to see both men go.
 
I'm hoping that a new coaching staff will cause some of these people to play better, but I still wish Casserly would take a hike. I voted for the Buchannon deal because he's SUCH A SERIOUS BUST, but those deals are all terrible.
 
I went with the DJ pass, since that would have in whole or in part mitigated two of your other blunders - releasing Sharper and signing Greenwood. In fact, at the time, I took the Sharper move as a telegraph from Cass that DJ or Thomas Davis were locks as our draft choice.

I did consider the Glenn pretty seriously, because that was a double screw up as well. However, our front 7 were already kind of a joke before the offseason.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Boselli and Carr could be nominees as well.
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Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
 
TEXANRED said:
Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
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We did keep DeLoach but he hasn't been active for most games. I will agree that passing on DJ was bad, but in this poll I still have to take Babin. Drafting him with our original second rounder would have still put him on this poll, but giving away three picks that we didn't even need to give up to get him just adds to it.
 
The Babin pick put us in a bad situation. I mean even if someone does take him it was a deep draft as far as LB and other posisitons. Damn shame we reached so high in the draft, but maybe we thought tennessee or NE would take him.
 
rmartin65 said:
The Babin move was pretty bad. 3 players for an underacheiving guy? Its close.
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Yep, that's exactly what I was about to say. I don't like to think of "what could have beens" but.....well, never mind:brickwall
 
TEXANRED said:
Oh look an I hate Carr comment - Hey is that you in the picture? A Texas fan? No wonder you sound upset. I am an Aggie fan, I'm used to losing.

This one was hard, between not taking DJ so we could take a bench warmer in TJ or giving our division rival and former heartache a boat load of picks to help in there rebuild process, I must admit I am perplexed.

My vote would still have to go to the TJ pick. A non starting undersized DT who makes more money than what a back up should make. If we needed depth we should have kept Deloch or Martin. Would have been cheaper.
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Funny how you give Carr a pass on four years, but not TJ after 3/4 of a season. The front of the jersey says Texans, not the Carrs. I was patient for three years with Carr. I would hope that Texan's fans would be as patient with others, especially those that will stand up for Carr no matter what.
 
TexMexVato said:
Yep, that's exactly what I was about to say. I don't like to think of "what could have beens" but.....well, never mind:brickwall
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The Titans didn't win last year they only have 3 wins this year with all of the great draft picks we gave them for Babin."what could have beens" is not any better than what did happen.
 
SESupergenius said:
wow, I look at all these moves listed and can't fathom Casserly being back here next year with so many bad picks on his watch.
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Well, regardless of the obvious fact that these are final decisions made by the GM, you still need to take into account how much influence the coaches themselves had in these decisions. A GM has to listen to the coaches that he hires.

If you don't, I'm willing to bet McNair will.
 
Hard for me to see passing on DJ as a bigger screw up than trading for Buchanon. Odell Thurman and Lofa Tatupu are both playing as well or better than DJ and could have been had in the 2nd round.
 
releasing of AG and JS ... well they were making big bucks and from what I hear didn't want to renegiate the contract.

Steve foley?? please.. he wouldn't make the plays here like he does there

Buchanon? yeah we wasted a 2nd on him .. if a coach could get him to play we would be set (his talent wise).

Babin? ..I think wrong time wrong place.. we needed depth so I would have liked those picks and jury is still out on Babin..

Hollings was a boom or bust pick who would have know the Raiders to go from super bowl to bust on that.

As far as trashing the Defensive players we have.. I want to see a coach in here to utilize them.. I, along with all of you have waiting 4 years to see a real "Dom Capers" defensive swarming unit and we have nothing but a passive conservative unit... I think there is talent on the club but not talent on the sidelines .. I think Dom is a heck of a DC but not HC.


At this moment.. I'd say the Babin one is riskiest one. we gave up a lot at the start, yet I want to see what we can do with a DC in here.
 
main difference in our team this year compared to seasons fast.. seems we are whipped before we start.. we have lost confidence in our coaching staff and it shows on the field ..They might not say it, but we all can see it.

IF we had 1/2 of the fire of the first game we played..I think we'd have about 6 wins .
 
I couldn't decide as to which was worst. I'll say it was getting rid of Glenn, who is looking good with Parcells, and inserting the Matador into our secondary. This was supposed to be an upgrade to our defense, but it completely backfired. We definitely took two steps back on defense this year, and I have a feeling that we would have done much better had our defensive unit not been "improved" with new blood.
 
I say P-Buch because with no Arron Glenn and such little depth that was a huge gamble. The reason for getting rid of Glenn was to get younger which is semi-understandable but replacing him with junk is not. As for Babin yes we mayhave given up too much for him but at least he can fill the spot without being a total flake and doesnt let people walk into the endzone.
 
i dont understand why the last one is on there. It should be Passing on a OL for REggie Bush. If we draft Bush we have made a huge mistake bc he still cant run if the DL and blitzing LB/S can tackle him before he takes 3 steps.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Funny how you give Carr a pass on four years, but not TJ after 3/4 of a season. The front of the jersey says Texans, not the Carrs. I was patient for three years with Carr. I would hope that Texan's fans would be as patient with others, especially those that will stand up for Carr no matter what.
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No you missunderstand. I am not saying to can TJ. My point was if you needed to add depth and youth to the line but you wanted to sit the guy to learn the system, thats fine. But why would you spend a first round pick on a DT. He's no Sapp. DT are easily found in the second day.

what we needed was a good tackling, covering, sacking linebacker. You know, DJ.
 
TEXANRED said:
No you missunderstand. I am not saying to can TJ. My point was if you needed to add depth and youth to the line but you wanted to sit the guy to learn the system, thats fine. But why would you spend a first round pick on a DT. He's no Sapp. DT are easily found in the second day.

what we needed was a good tackling, covering, sacking linebacker. You know, DJ.
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I do not think you are saying to can TJ, but I do not understand how you can say DJ would have made us better out of the box as he would have learned much like TJ to play essentially a new role in our defensive scheme.

I loved DJ in college and believe he will have a very good career. I also happen to believe TJ will have a very good career as well.

To me this is neutral pick that has come no where near playing itself out on who is the winner or loser. I myself fault Cass less on the TJ pick as the season progresses.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I do not think you are saying to can TJ, but I do not understand how you can say DJ would have made us better out of the box as he would have learned much like TJ to play essentially a new role in our defensive scheme.

I loved DJ in college and believe he will have a very good career. I also happen to believe TJ will have a very good career as well.

To me this is neutral pick that has come no where near playing itself out on who is the winner or loser. I myself fault Cass less on the TJ pick as the season progresses.
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first off, we'd be better right away because DJ would be starting, opposed to TJ, who is a very expensive bench warmer.

it was such a stupid move, we arent a good enough team to be drafting backups in the first round.

then it comes to quality of player, a 2 time all-american and bednarik award winner vs. Travis Johnson, with 30 tackles and 3 sacks his senior year (who expects GREATER production from a DT in the NFL than he came close to producing in college?)
 
stevo3883 said:
first off, we'd be better right away because DJ would be starting, opposed to TJ, who is a very expensive bench warmer.

it was such a stupid move, we arent a good enough team to be drafting backups in the first round.

then it comes to quality of player, a 2 time all-american and bednarik award winner vs. Travis Johnson, with 30 tackles and 3 sacks his senior year (who expects GREATER production from a DT in the NFL than he came close to producing in college?)
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Where was DJ going to start?
 
royce1054 said:
i dont understand why the last one is on there. It should be Passing on a OL for REggie Bush. If we draft Bush we have made a huge mistake bc he still cant run if the DL and blitzing LB/S can tackle him before he takes 3 steps.
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I was under the impression our problem was pass-protection from the o-line.

"he still cant run if the DL and blitzing LB/S can tackle him before he takes 3 steps" when has that been a problem for us? seriously, Davis is going on 3 1000yd seasons, and hes not even that great a back.

the thing that would make us so much better with Bush, is those dumpoffs from Carr, that davis usually runs 6-7 yards with and get tackled, turn into potential 50 yard gains because Bush is such an amazing runner in open space.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Where was DJ going to start?
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wherever they wanted him to. I doubt Greenwood would start over him. Hed definitely beat out Peek or Babin if they chose to put him there.

the only guy that right now is probably better than him is Wong, and hes a long time veteran
 
stevo3883 said:
wherever they wanted him to. I doubt Greenwood would start over him. Hed definitely beat out Peek or Babin if they chose to put him there.

the only guy that right now is probably better than him is Wong, and hes a long time veteran
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Thank you for confirming what I thought you would say. Unfortunately, we will not be agreeing on what went down, but I think we can agree that we will both be cheering on DJ's career and the Texans moving forward.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Thank you for confirming what I thought you would say. Unfortunately, we will not be agreeing on what went down, but I think we can agree that we will both be cheering on DJ's career and the Texans moving forward.
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yeah, and i wouldve had no problem with the TJ pick if Gary walker had pulled a boselli on us or something, but he didnt.

everyone says this year how we shouldnt draft bush and should go for a need, but just last year we passed many needs and drafted a guy to be a backup with our 1st rd pick.

Bush is a need IMO, we NEED him in the backfield, we NEED him lined up in the slot, we NEED him touching the ball.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Thank you for confirming what I thought you would say. Unfortunately, we will not be agreeing on what went down, but I think we can agree that we will both be cheering on DJ's career and the Texans moving forward.
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I too was on the Derrick Johnson bandwagon last year and have to think he would have started ahead of Babin, especially after those first couple games when Babin was benched for Orr, and he could have moved to ILB when Wong went down, and hopefully we wouldn't have bothered with Greenwood if we had gotten DJ (I don't remember if we signed Greenwood before or after the draft).
 
Why was there not a VOTE FOR ALL???? I mean you could go down the list of how each was and has adversley effected our team in a negative way.

BUC and BABY are linked though b/c of the amount of players we gave up for them. BABY more than BUC b/c Baby was such a project to convert and we assumed BUC would resume his old form. All that said they were both horrible.
 
Where is the Draft Bennie Joppru with our second round pick in 03 selectio I think that was the worst move ever because that is something our offense has never recovered from. We have shuffles TE now for the past 2 years trying to fill the spot he was supposed to play.
 
As far as the draft picks on that list, the draft is a gamble, there is rarely if ever a sure pick in the draft. As far as Babin goes he had a solid rookie season and struggled early this season with the shoulder injury, which the coaches allowed him to play with. As far as Greenwood goes, as of right now he has 90 tackles, 2 sacks, and 2 fumble recoveries, so after 12 games this season, Greenwood has more tackles than every Texan defensive player had all of last season except for Jamie Sharper. By the way, Sharper had 137 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 fumble recovery last season, so Greenwood has almost matched Sharper's performance from last season in 4 less games. And as far as DJ goes he has 73 tackles, 2 sacks and 1 fumble recovery this season. Sharper has all of 37 tackles and 0 sacks this season in 8 games and Seattle has him listed as 3rd team ROLB right now and yes I know he is injured. I am in no way defending our front office or our coaches, what I am saying is we cannot blame this season for any one move mad or any one move that was not made. If we had drafted DJ, kept Glenn and Sharper, not traded up for Babin, whatever the case may be, more than likely we would still be at 1-11 right now.
 
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