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Worst move yet?

AlbinoRat

AlbinoRat

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I everybodys opinion, when did we make our biggest mistake.

My opinion is the expansion draft.
James Allen, Tony Boselli, MATT STEVENS enough said

We passed on some major guys too. Casserly said no one over thirty, so we passed on a lot of talented offensive lineman and linebackers. we could have loaded that team.
 
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.
 
Bygones. No interest in. But as a matter of historical horror....

Who did we pass up who was a can't miss?

Boselli passes the physical, Roaf does not. Interesting alternative universe if the reverse hold true.

The problem with the expansion draft is by the time the Texans became a franchise, teams had figured out the salary cap. So most of the players exposed were guys that weren't worth the salary they were getting. If we wanted to get better quality guys, we had to take salary dump guys too (which was a part of the Boselli deal, BTW).

Out of all the recent expansion franchises, the Texans got the worst deal.
 
Grid said:
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.
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:redtowel: DITTO :redtowel:
 
Don't forget, most importantly, these were the Dum Capers and Charlie Casserly days with his glasses sitting sideways on his face and fogged up.....saying we need to execute some more........ every sunday night on CH. 13........Jermaine Lewis what happend to him. The Texans 2002 yearbook states one of the most electrifying return men in the game..........what were they drinking:shots: when they wrote that..... I did like Jamie Sharper, I believe he was a true veteran like A. Glen that provided somekind of foundation for the Texans.........but who know's idonno:
 
Grid said:
biggest mistake was Babin IMO.

dont get me wrong, I like Babin and im glad we have him.. but the price was too high for what we got. There were a lot of good players taken in the second and third round of the 2004 draft.

Second biggest would be letting Aaron Glenn go. He hasnt done a whole lot with Dallas.. but he did do a whole lot here in our System. The year we let him go..he DID look like he had lost a step.. but Dunta looked great across from Glenn, and we had a very effective secondary. I dont regret getting Buchanan.. but id rather have kept them both.

Third biggest would be moving McKinney to center rather than getting a real center.

4th would be focusing on skill positions in the draft, rather than olinemen and dlinemen. Nevermind..this one is #1..move the others down a notch.

5th was Vic Fangio.
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I'd replace Babin with Hollings, but agree with the list for the most part. I like Babin and what he's done. Well worth the deal, IMO. It may not have been a great deal, but the guys we could've picked up instead would mean that we kept Capers and Kubiak would have signed with the Raiders or Green Bay.
 
Texans_Chick said:
Bygones. No interest in. But as a matter of historical horror....

Who did we pass up who was a can't miss?

Boselli passes the physical, Roaf does not. Interesting alternative universe if the reverse hold true.

The problem with the expansion draft is by the time the Texans became a franchise, teams had figured out the salary cap. So most of the players exposed were guys that weren't worth the salary they were getting. If we wanted to get better quality guys, we had to take salary dump guys too (which was a part of the Boselli deal, BTW).

Out of all the recent expansion franchises, the Texans got the worst deal.
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Yeah, Boselli passed the same "physical" that Gado is getting: Free and clear, you're rrrrrready to play, Samkon!

We had to take Boselli and his salary to get Payne and Walker. Man, those Jags owe us big time.

We are the freaking floormat of the NFL: Hey, need to rid yourself of some big cap hits...or perhaps you have an injured and aging veteran to quietly ship off your team? Look no further: The Texans are taking all applications (You CANNOT be turned down!), with our special team of physicians to administer that necessary "physical" to get the trade pushed through for good.

We don't need Reggie Bush. We've got tons of running backs coming through our doors every day! :brickwall
 
gpshafer_1976 said:
Yeah, Boselli passed the same "physical" that Gado is getting: Free and clear, you're rrrrrready to play, Samkon!

We had to take Boselli and his salary to get Payne and Walker. Man, those Jags owe us big time.

We are the freaking floormat of the NFL: Hey, need to rid yourself of some big cap hits...or perhaps you have an injured and aging veteran to quietly ship off your team? Look no further: The Texans are taking all applications (You CANNOT be turned down!), with our special team of physicians to administer that necessary "physical" to get the trade pushed through for good.

We don't need Reggie Bush. We've got tons of running backs coming through our doors every day! :brickwall
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Stop your killing me my ribs are hurting bad from laughing.....I love the way you put it though..........Honey time to buy a new doormat for the front of the house.........have some new players coming over for dinner tonight...
 
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...
 
TexanSam said:
Drafting Jabar Gaffney. That wasn't the worst personnal move, but the very next pick, the Broncos selected Clinton Portis...
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why don't you get your facts straight before you bring up that played out fact up AGAIN. it went pitts, then portis with next pick in the middle of the second. thanks for bringing that up. so what o-line was portis going to run behind again?
 
1. hiring casserly
2. who hired dom
3. who mad this team into "doormat of the nfl" because all the chances we got in the nfl drafts have been wasted on players that cant cut it so we take other teams scrubs over our own
4. who let go jamie sharper and aaron glenn
5. who makes me read a lot of nonsense on this message board
 
i wasnt a football fan when the Houston Texans started so the worst move while i have been a fan, has been passing on Derrick Johnson
 
dunta23 said:
i wasnt a football fan when the Houston Texans started so the worst move while i have been a fan, has been passing on Derrick Johnson
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The way TJ has been looking so far.. he may prove that theory wrong by the end of the year.
 
1. Trading draft picks for Philip Buchanon
2. Trading draft picks for Jason Babin
3. Drafting Tony Hollings
4. Drafting Charles Hill
5. Signing Todd Wade to a big contract
6. Drafting Seth Wand
7. Drafting Bennie Joppru
8. Passing on Reggie Bush?
 
Bsacamano said:
1. Trading draft picks for Philip Buchanon
2. Trading draft picks for Jason Babin
3. Drafting Tony Hollings
4. Drafting Charles Hill
5. Signing Todd Wade to a big contract
6. Drafting Seth Wand
7. Drafting Bennie Joppru
8. Passing on Reggie Bush?
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A pretty good list. I definitely agree the top 2 are the worst. The sad thing is a little film study would have eliminated the Buchanon trade (or most of the picks).
So many draft picks spent on guys not projected to go as high as we took them (Babin/Joppru/Hill/Wand/etc.)

I think I would also add:
signing Greenwood
drafting morency - again not ranked near that high
signing Robaire and Gary Walker to big contracts
sigining DD to a long big contract - i admit he was good but he IS a RB
 
We should DEFINATELY not have signed Gary Walker to a big contract, but DD deseved it at the time. Greenwood and Smith were decent signings, we just overpayed for them IMO
 
AlbinoRat said:
I everybodys opinion, when did we make our biggest mistake.

My opinion is the expansion draft.
James Allen, Tony Boselli, MATT STEVENS enough said

We passed on some major guys too. Casserly said no one over thirty, so we passed on a lot of talented offensive lineman and linebackers. we could have loaded that team.
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James "Mercellis" Allen was signed as a FA from Chicago. He was not in the expansion draft.

What about when they let Charlie Rogers go. He later went to Buffalo and barely missed the Pro Bowl because of Jerome Mathis. However, he ran alot of kicks back.

Our worse move in my opinion is letting go of Jamie Sharper. The day our defense died.
 
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available
 
Bsacamano said:
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available
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And that was a good thing somehow?? Either Payne, Boselli or Walker were going to be released, the Jags just didn't have the cap room. We would have ended up with at least 2 of those guys anyways.

The worst move is still hiring Casserly. (he hired Capers and drafted Carr for all of you in those boats)
 
1) Putting in escallaters at the stadium then only allowing 10 people at a time to use them.
2) Puting a retractable roof on the stadium ...
3) playing prevent defense for the last 3 quarters of every game last season.
4) Making your #1 draft pick play 4 different positions on his first NFL start.
 
Bsacamano said:
What everyone seems to forget about Boselli, is that his was a package deal. To get Payne and Walker, we had to take Boselli as well, otherwise Jacksonville would not have made them available
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give it a rest. this is like the bobby abreu spin some hacks will still float out there. nobody knows who jacksonville would have left unprotected had they protected walker and payne, or even if they would have gone thru with their threat.

the worst move, bar none, was the carr extension. carr cannot play- he is genuinely not bright, among other detriments. it is inexcusable to me that the texans' football people are in such denial they can't see this.

i don't blame honest mistakes, like hiring casserly, drafting carr, etc. i don't like piling on these with denial.
 
dirty steve said:
why don't you get your facts straight before you bring up that played out fact up AGAIN. it went pitts, then portis with next pick in the middle of the second. thanks for bringing that up. so what o-line was portis going to run behind again?
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LeCharles Bentley was in that same second round...Bentley and Portis or Bentley and Pitts would have us pretty set right now...sigh...

And with the Babin deal...what did the Titans get that made that so terrible? A middle of the road TE...
 
Double Barrel said:
Starting a rookie QB behind an untestested o-line on an expansion team.

200+ sacks in four seasons helps illustrate my point. :howdy:
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Thoughest QB in the league if you ask me. All those hits and sacks and the guy still has a 102.1 qb rating against the Eagles, I am glad we started him for all those years you have to have a guy with tough skin and we do.

Worst move so far..................the only olineman we get last year Victor Rilley and we cut him half way through the season, most sacked QB in the league and we go after Victor Rilley our big FA pick up on the line.:francis:
 
Maybe not the worst, but I sure would have enjoyed seeing Dunta, Glenn, and Sharper in the secondary for a few seasons.
 
The worst move was the naming the team the texans...

If it wasnt for some stupid Hockey Franchise. This team should be the Houston Hurricanes.

:twocents:
 
anybody a little shocked that this franchise is only 5 yrs old and we can come up with so many bad moves. no one mentioned giving carr his bonus and keeping him around another mistake
 
thats because he had a good game. if he doesn't throw for 200+ and 2TD's then we will have all sorts of things.

I'm suprised everyone got over Matt Stevens. Back in the old days of the board, all people could talk about was how much they hated him, i dont think he had a single supporter
 
hey Samkon, can you bring 2-3 eighteen wheelers FULL of Wisconsin cheese, we seem to be having a whinefest here in this thread.

OK it is 2006, that is the past or maybe some like to wallow in misery. if that is case please don't let me interrupt a pathetic and useless waste of time:brickwall
 
BigDTexansFan said:
hey Samkon, can you bring 2-3 eighteen wheelers FULL of Wisconsin cheese, we seem to be having a whinefest here in this thread.

OK it is 2006, that is the past or maybe some like to wallow in misery. if that is case please don't let me interrupt a pathetic and useless waste of time:brickwall
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this thread is what is called a change of pace. i you dont like looking back and having a good laugh you dont have to buddy. if your content to talk about how mario sucks or how you think we'll beat indy this weekend go ahead. I'm listening.
 
run-david-run said:
And with the Babin deal...what did the Titans get that made that so terrible? A middle of the road TE...
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Titans got:
2nd round -Troupe (who would have been nice), but that could have been Julius Jones, Jake Grove (who would have looked real nice at C here), or Sanders ( a good SS)
3rd - Randy Starks - a quality starting DT
4th - Bo Schobel - which could have been Vasher (the stud CB we could use)
 
Even if Tony Hollings had turned out to be "all that" the strategy was horrible. The order in the supplemental draft is based the order of the regular draft. We used Oakland's 2nd round pick #31 in the round to pick Hollings. Only 3 teams (Tampa Bay 2nd, #32 and I think Cincinnati 3rd #1 and Detroit 3rd #2) could pick before our 3rd round pick #3. You have to take that gamble and wait until our 3rd round pick to take him.

Then, we improved, and Oakland cratered. So the 2nd round pick we lost was very early in the second round; the 3rd round pick would have been the 10th pick of the round.

So we gave up the ~35th pick in the draft for the 74th pick for nothing. (The 74th pick would still be wasted on an injury prone player who barely played in college and couldn't translate his game to pros....)
 
Xman said:
Titans got:
2nd round -Troupe (who would have been nice), but that could have been Julius Jones, Jake Grove (who would have looked real nice at C here), or Sanders ( a good SS)
3rd - Randy Starks - a quality starting DT
4th - Bo Schobel - which could have been Vasher (the stud CB we could use)
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Yeah, yeah, but I think that hardly qualifies as one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history (esspecially this franchise).
Also, it is CC we are talking about here, there is no saying what he would have done with those picks, but jugdeing by his history, I would say most would not be on the team right now...
 
run-david-run said:
Yeah, yeah, but I think that hardly qualifies as one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history (esspecially this franchise).
Also, it is CC we are talking about here, there is no saying what he would have done with those picks, but jugdeing by his history, I would say most would not be on the team right now...
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I agree that Cass probably would not have made the right picks - but he might have got one right. Then we would have been ahead of where we are now.

I might be a little off on my percentages but Cass was the one who told us the statistics of how "80% of #1s make it as starters, 60% of #2s, 40% of #3s, and 20% of lower picks"
Cass did not come close to those odds - even figuring in his succes on #1s. But, his record is really worse, especially if you break it down even further because a top 10 pick in the first has to be around 90-95%.

But, while drafting Babin was a mistake, the bigger mistake was trading the picks when we were still building. That is one reason I am not flaming him about trading down instead of taking DJohnson. We need more players that we draft in the first 3 rounds. By the numbers, we should be getting starters and quality backups in those rounds, which we will have to have to succeed. So, trading down works, but not if you can't make a decent pick afterwards (the jury is still out on Travis, but I would have traded down again).
 
David's Busted Carr said:
Ummm, passing on Reggie Bush maybe?
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Sorry, but for now thats not even on the list. Maybe in a few years you could say that, but wait till RB plays at least 1 full season befor you put him in Canton. I would say the worst move in history neglecting the O line for sooooo long. If they had taken care of the oline, we wouldnt have been in position to draft Bush.

:shoot:
 
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