Worst Moments in Dallas Sports History: Texans on the list

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

ok ur living in the 90s if u still think the cowboys are the most popular team in America. Heck they arent even Americas team and as we all know they arent Texas's team. Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone, America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots, and TEXAS has us, so who needs Dallas !?!?!?!?!?!?

Excuse me, but Texas already voted, Dallas Cowboys win- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/news/2003/09/24/texas/

 

[gwallaia]

Ummm, not to diminish your point HowBout, but I live in Beaumont. That's about 90 miles from Houston.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

Ummm, not to diminish your point HowBout, but I live in Beaumont. That's about 90 miles from Houston.

lol, you get the gist of it though.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

ok ur living in the 90s if u still think the cowboys are the most popular team in America. Heck they arent even Americas team and as we all know they arent Texas's team. Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone, America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots, and TEXAS has us, so who needs Dallas !?!?!?!?!?!?

Excuse me, but Texas already voted, Dallas Cowboys win- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/news/2003/09/24/texas/




Sorry double post..

 

[Huge]

Of course it's because of winning championships, but the Cowboys and Yankees have to take the prize for most bandwaggoners in a given sport. The problem for the rest of us is how in the heck do you sort them out?

America has a new team and a new fav, the patriots

Hmm...one says the Cowboys take the prize for the most bandwaggoners while another poster says America's new favorite team is the Patriots. I would guess the Patriots popularity would have something to do with 3 Super Bowls in the last 4 years. Which tells me their newfound fanbase is full of bandwaggoners.

Anybody want to argue this?

Sure yall had ur glory days with E. Smith, Aikman, Irving, Sanders. But those days are long gone,

The days of Staubach, Dorsett, Pearson and Waters were long gone as well. Then Irvin, Aikman and Smith arrived and it started all over again. See how this works?

For one that poll was done in 2002, besides you can't go off of a SI poll. Not very scientific.

As opposed to the mountain of evidence that supports the popularity of the Texans...right? What would a more "scientific" poll reflect?

If you go by TV ratings, you don't compare.
If you go by merchandise sales, you're not even in the same hemisphere.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

For one that poll was done in 2002, besides you can't go off of a SI poll. Not very scientific.

The poll was done in 2003. Where in that article does it say 2002?

Sports Illustrated is a fine source to use, it's the average sports fan's magazine.

By the way the Texans have not folded or relocated either.

Excuse me, I mean Houston has relocated.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

No Houston is still here.

Ok go ahead and be a wise guy lol. The Oilers have relocated.

 

[Panther5407]

Ok go ahead and be a wise guy lol. The Oilers have relocated.

I may be young but didnt Dallas have a team called the Dallas Texans before being relocated?

 

[Panther5407]

We are not the Oilers, we are the Houston Texans. Different organization.

Just like the Dallas Texans are now the Kansas City Cheifs.

You barely beat me to the Dallas Texans part.

 

[Huge]

Comparing a team thats been around for 45 years to a 3 year franchise?

Of course the numbers are going to be in the Cowboys favor. They had 45 years to grow their fan base.

If the Texans are more popular now, why would the past 45 years matter? Or are you conceding that the Texans aren't the most popular team in Texas (even if you mean "yet")?

 

[Huge]

Once again, if there are claims by the Texans fans that the Texans are more popular now, why does the past 45 years matter?

I understand the Cowboys have been around longer and therefore have had more time to build their fan base. But if you (or any other Texans fan) is claiming the Texans have the bigger fan base and thus are more popular in the State of Texas, what does the 42 year advantage do for the Cowboys right now?

I wouldn't use a SI poll to determine a favorite team to prove a point. Look at the favorite sport teams in Texas based on that poll.....

I wouldn't use a SI poll either. But discounting one source of information doesn't make the opposing claim (without any source) true.

 

[Huge]

I believe this is one of the points you were trying to make as well (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Because it does take time to develop a fan base.
Besides I was talking about NFL merchandise sales. We might not be the most popular in NFL sales "yet".

So are you suggesting the sales of NFL merchandise is one way to determine popularity (again, correct me if I'm wrong)? If so, how do you explain the gianormous difference between the sales of Dallas Cowboys merchandise to that of the Houston Texans if the Texans are the more popular team (according to more than one Texans fan...not neccessarily you)?

 

[gcolby]

how do you explain the gianormous difference between the sales of Dallas Cowboys merchandise to that of the Houston Texans if the Texans are the more popular team (according to more than one Texans fan...not neccessarily you)?

For one thing, I'd point out that you can buy Cowboy-branded *anything*. There's way more to buy, and thus, more gets sold. It's almost a self-fulfilling prophesy. I can still go online to several official-NFL-suppliers, and they'll have XXX for every team except the Texans. (which really ticks me off; I mean, it's not like they haven't been given the logo yet or anything)

Little by little, we're seeing more Texans stuff. Texans sales will grow as their product base does, not their necessarily their fan base.

 

[TopTexanFan16]

man huge why are you trying to back the cowgirls so bad? and arguing so much with thirdeyebc, and i never took a poll and im a sports fan so i dont find that poll fair at all. and i know your goin to post somethin bout what im saying but......COWGIRLS SUCK!!!!!, stop defending them please.haha

 

[Huge]

And you don't think there's so many Cowboys products because there's a demand for them?

Surely there are Texans jerseys that are available. But I don't see any of them on these rankings.

Retired Ricky Williams can place 8th yet the 4th largest city (as well as their massive fan base outside the city of Houston) can't place anybody in the top 25? Even Joey Harrington cracked the top 20.

And I'd love to hear an example of something you can get with the Cowboys logo but not the Texans. 'Cause I'm thinking if you can get a Texans pool table, you can get just about anything you (would/should) want.

 

[TexansTrueFan]

That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.

ok heres another 18-0 pre-season game. u happen to remember that one, and of course the 19-10

 

[Huge]

Your the one that brought that up.

I believe I did use it as a point to measure popularity. But did you not say this:

Because it does take time to develop a fan base.
Besides I was talking about NFL merchandise sales. We might not be the most popular in NFL sales "yet".

So were you or were you not talking about merchandise sales?

man huge why are you trying to back the cowgirls so bad? and arguing so much with thirdeyebc, and i never took a poll and im a sports fan so i dont find that poll fair at all. and i know your goin to post somethin bout what im saying but......COWGIRLS SUCK!!!!!, stop defending them please.haha

Why would I back the Cowboys so bad? It's what fans of teams do (see the avatar).

And I wouldn't say it's arguing. I'm simply asking for evidence as to how the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys. A simple example will do.

 

[Huge]

ok heres another 18-0 pre-season game. u happen to remember that one, and of course the 19-10

Did you really just use pre-season smack? If you took any pleasure from 18-0, did you feel humiliated after 34-6?

 

[TexansTrueFan]

I believe I did use it as a point to measure popularity. But did you not say this:



So were you or were you not talking about merchandise sales?



Why would I back the Cowboys so bad? It's what fans of teams do (see the avatar).

And I wouldn't say it's arguing. I'm simply asking for evidence as to how the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys. A simple example will do.

well we are the texas champions until we play again and then we will kep the crown another 4 years.

 

[TopTexanFan16]

o didnt realize you were a cowboy fan, sry for accusing you of arguing.......but the COWGIRLS STILL SUCK!!! haha

 

[TopTexanFan16]

Did you really just use pre-season smack? If you took any pleasure from 18-0, did you feel humiliated after 34-6?

hey you know if it were the other wya around you would be saying 18-0 too. so dont even try to give us that excuse. a win is a win, and a game is a game i dont care if it were pre-season or the super bowl....Texans seem to always win., correct me if im wrong as you keep saying but i do think we've beaten the cowgirls everytime we've played them......again correct me if im wrong.

 

[Huge]

well we are the texas champions until we play again and then we will kep the crown another 4 years.

Wow, I never realized the Texas State Championship was at stake. What did y'all get for your efforts? Is there a team picture for this event? Did they have a trophy presentation at mid-field at the end of the game?

o didnt realize you were a cowboy fan, sry for accusing you of arguing.......but the COWGIRLS STILL SUCK!!! haha

Eh...no biggie. And yes, we are certainly less than stellar.

hey you know if it were the other wya around you would be saying 18-0 too. so dont even try to give us that excuse. a win is a win, and a game is a game i dont care if it were pre-season or the super bowl....Texans seem to always win., correct me if im wrong as you keep saying but i do think we've beaten the cowgirls everytime we've played them......again correct me if im wrong.

Correcting you when you're wrong:

1. If you're counting pre-season games (again, not sure why you would feel the need), then you haven't beaten Dallas every time they've played. As a "true Texans fan" I would expect you to know this.

2. And no, I wasn't here pounding my chest after Dallas won 34-6. Those that have been here longer than 2 months can attest to that. Yes, there were some Texans fans that kept it in the proper perspective ("It's just a pre-season game"). It was a pre-season game. Anybody that uses those games as a measuring stick for how good their team is lacks football sense (the Patriots were 1-3 this past pre-season...guess they suck?).

Actually thats all the Cowboy fans were bringing up when they beat us in pre-season before last. Thats why I would bring up 19-10 was a REGULAR season game when I had to work for a Dallas based company. I didn't bring anything up when we shut them out a year later. Thank God I found a better job with a Houston based company that helped build Reliant Stadium. Anyway I'm not going to continue wasting my time on who is more popular or not.
Look forward to the 2006 game Huge, it will be fun. You know I love to hate the Cowboys, right

That easily goes both ways. Many said 19-10 meant a great deal (and deservedly so as it was a regular season game). The next season when Dallas won 34-6 in a pre-season game, it didn't mean anything to the Texans fans because it was just a pre-season game. Next year when the Texans won 18-0, all of a sudden pre-season games meant something again.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

 

[WWJD]

I've always thought it was a HUGE ripoff how the owners charge regular season prices for preseason games. I couldn't tell you the record of ANY team I like in the preseason. I know they mean something to the players and coaches but I'd love to see

1) preseason cut by a game or more.

2) definitely cut ticket prices during those games. I was going to say concessions also but I guess those people deserve full price for their work and products.

3) offer free parking to the fans that do come.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

Next year when the Texans won 18-0, all of a sudden pre-season games meant something again.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

lol, you can say that again. Last pre-season when Dallas lost to Houston 18-0, the whole message board went crazy like they just won the SuperBowl. You don't have to take my word for it, check out this example..

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/showthread.php?t=1942

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

wow, the board sure went bonkers in that thread. whew

It was an example, one thread out of the many.

 

[texasguy346]

I think the vast majority of board members don't put much stock into preseason games. Every team has its knee jerk fans, and often times they'll be the first one to predict a SB berth after a win and call for the HC's head on a platter after a loss. Most fans take preseason games for what they're worth. A simulated game that gives fans a chance to see some of the young guys and the 2nd and 3rd stringers in action.

 

[Huge]

I think the vast majority of board members don't put much stock into preseason games. Every team has its knee jerk fans, and often times they'll be the first one to predict a SB berth after a win and call for the HC's head on a platter after a loss. Most fans take preseason games for what they're worth. A simulated game that gives fans a chance to see some of the young guys and the 2nd and 3rd stringers in action.

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P.O.T.D.

 

[StarStruck]

Yeah thats funny how it was the Dallas fans at work using the pre-season excuse when we won 18-0, but the year before they came into work pumping their chest like they won a playoff game. I never put that much on pre-season games other than actually seeing football again, seeing all the rookies and new additions.

Maybe the Dallas fans on your job say those things because they know how it will affect you. I was in Dallas when the Cowboys won 30 something to a touchdown or so (see how much I remember), and I don't recall anything being said beyond that point. Even if a select few did pump their chests, I was pale in comparison to the rude behavior of the Texans in Texas Stadium.

 

[Theoridic]

To any Dallas fan who reads this just remember this is a TEXANS message board. You will not win any argument against US. Before the game it was said on espn that it was the Texas Bowl. We won . We had a worse record with a much harder schedule "NFC is a joke at the moment" and still schooled you in our FIRST game ever as a franchise, choke on that.

 

[WWJD]

This is the NFL discussion thread where any team can be discussed. If it bothers you guys don't check out the thread. Problem solved.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

I never post in the Bull Pen, but I do occasionally mix it up in the Houston Sports Scene.

It's not like we're trolling or anything, we're just defending the Silver And Blue.

And yes, the Cowboys have many message boards, this one is my personal favorite- www.cowboys-forum.com

 

[WWJD]

Well thank you Vinny...I like both teams; I enjoy the things I read on here which is why I'm a faithful poster. People on here are very knowledgable and much more well read about football than I.

I'm just an NFL fan period. I like many teams but yea the Cowboys and Texans are special to me.

 

[Theoridic]

I am not saying anything bad about the people posting. Just saying we will win an argument on our grounds. I will say there were some guys that went a little overboard to the dallas fans at the game "2 guys made another one take his jersy off with threats and tuck it under his under shirt", but the real fans just jumped around excited they won and didn't say anything to the dallas fans.

"I still dream of an all Texas Superbowl" Hank Hill

 

[WWJD]

I don't think there should ever be a reason for any fan, in any city, at any stadium to be rude to a visiting fan just because they don't like the team on the field. It's just not right...people should be able to go to a sporting event without fearing a fight whether verbal or physical.

Particularly with the huge prices of tickets and everything else.

It still surprises me when I read about some things that go on in some NFL cities.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

Some of best mannered posters are Cowboy fans. LMBH, Huge and HowBoutThemCowboys! are as good as it gets when it comes to rival fans posting here. I'm not sure if WWJD is a Cowboy fan or a Texan fan more...but she is one of the better ones too.

Thank you for the kind words Vinny. Anyone can tell you're a fine admin and a class-act by just glancing at these message boards and seeing how orderly they are. Keep up the good work.

 

[Huge]

I am not saying anything bad about the people posting. Just saying we will win an argument on our grounds. I will say there were some guys that went a little overboard to the dallas fans at the game "2 guys made another one take his jersy off with threats and tuck it under his under shirt", but the real fans just jumped around excited they won and didn't say anything to the dallas fans.

"I still dream of an all Texas Superbowl" Hank Hill

Would you say you've won the argument that the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys? If so, with what?

 

[Texan Dave]

Would you say you've won the argument that the Texans are more popular in the State of Texas than the Cowboys? If so, with what?

Look guys, I've been staying out of this thread, but I just have to say that anyone saying that the Texans are more popular than the Cowgirls has lost their mind. I'm a verry devoted Texans fan, and yeah I hate the cowgirls. But saying that the Texans are more popular than they are is like a Mets fan saying that the Mets are more popular than the Yankees. Actually, it's worse, we don't even have anny wear near the history that the Mets do, and yes, like it or not, the Cowgirls are the Yankees of the NFL.

I can't believe I just wrote this, or admited it, I think I'll go commit suicide now.

 

[StarStruck]

By DFan

I don't care if they are the most popular team in Texas, but they sure are in Houston and my family. So all the bandwagoners not even born in Dallas can have the Cowboys.
To all the Texan fans.................
TEXAN PRIDE!

Don't mean to be confrontational, but I thought bandwagoners leave at the first hint of embarrassment, when a team consistently loses, and/or any new wave appears to be more exciting for the season. Not even born in Dallas? Does that mean if I was born Phoenix, I should be a Cardinals fan?

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

By DFan

The Texans have alot of exciting times and plenty more in the future. It was fun winning our first game against the 'Girls on national tv and I am glad I recorded it. 20 years from now it will be just as fun to watch even after we win the Superbowl. No one can take away that feeling of our first victory on national tv with football back in Houston against a team I love to hate.

I don't care if they are the most popular team in Texas, but they sure are in Houston and my family. So all the bandwagoners not even born in Dallas can have the Cowboys.
To all the Texan fans.................
TEXAN PRIDE!

This is priceless....

Thanks for being so close to the action. That made it even sweeter!

Thirdeye, Dfan wasnt the one in the first place to say the "exciting times" comment. Some Texan fan said that to him, and he responded by saying the Texans havent had many exciting times.


So if someone isnt born in the city of their favorite NFL team, they're bandwagoners?
So if you were born in Wisconsin, say Milwaukee, and you werent born in the small town of Green Bay, then your a bandwagon fan of the Packers?

Oh yeah and thanks for changing your signature. Even if it says "I want to kiss you and knock em' down", it's better thanwww.dallascowboyssuck.com lol.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

This is priceless....

Thanks for being so close to the action. That made it even sweeter!

This is priceless...

The referee by Carr makes it sweeter.

 

[bigcarlos]

That's all you Texan fans can say about Dallas. 19-10. So what? The team who lost to the Texans was a 5-11 team. It was a disposable season. Big deal, you won 1 regular season game 3 years ago.

19 - 10.........

 

[TexansTrueFan]

yes us beating the cowboys during our first regular game was the best feeling i have ever felt, i still get chills when i think about it. David looks young in that pic,,,geez i cant believe we are already in our 4th year !

 

[Huge]

Yes. This was the PR spin, not the actual way that it happened.

Thanks for expounding on how it actually happened.

Another point is that you can get Cowgirl merchandise at the flea market, so of course their merchandise sales will be higher than the Texans'. America's Team??? Why is it that the Raiders and the Packers outsell the girls? It is not that they have won 3 SBs in 4 years...

Yeah, it's the flea markets that are keeping Dallas in the top 5 and the Texans out of the top 10. You betcha.

If Oakland or Green Bay want the title of "America's Team", I have no problem with that. Those that understand it's origins don't think much of it anyway. Those that don't usually let it get under their skin. Which are you?

I thought this was pretty funny:

But I like these even more:

 

[WWJD]

Look guys we are for the most part adults on this board. I see a few younger but for the most part it's adults.

Do you like somebody telling you what make of car to drive? What type of house you should buy? What you should wear?

I don't...because I'm grown and I can make my own decisions.

It's the same with sports. People are going to like whatever team they want to like because they can. There are no rules or laws saying because you live here you have to like team X......I used an example of a friend I have in California. As far as I know he's never been in Pittsburgh and yet the Steelers are his team. Big deal! He's entitled to like them whether I like them or not. It's his choice.

This conversation about somebody being less of a fan or you must like this team because you live there is changing nobody's mind....you're wasting your time. People like teams because of uniforms, certain players, past records, coaches. There are a myriad of reasons. And it doesn't always involve geography.

 

[WWJD]

Does Michael Irvin play a prisoner in the movie?

If he does he should feel comfortable playing that part.

The only reason I'm responding to this is because I've meet Michael in a Christian setting and he's a different man than he was when he played. He freely talks about all the mistakes he made as a example of how not to live your life.

I'd say Michael has done well. He's got a huge job with ESPN and his family has been restored. He's a committed Christian and he speaks freely and often of how he wasted precious years on drugs;how he betrayed his family and most of all how he lived a life of lies.

I guess it's funny to some and it's certainly your right to mock him but he's a guy that's made mistakes, admitted them and has moved on. Michael is a very nice guy. He has a testimony that helps people involved with drugs. He's doing the right things now.

 

[WWJD]

Yes it's very good for Michael. He's making a difference rather than making a mess out of his life. Sometimes people DO change. He has.

 

[WWJD]

If there's one thing I hate more than a Cowgirl fan it is a kiss up!

Nothing personal Vinny! I do think you do a good job, but a kiss up (cleaner term for the mb) is always obvious...

And a few other things...The girls will not go to another SB until Jerrah is no longer the owner of the team. And when will girl fans realize the girls are no longer "America's Team"? They haven't been "America's Team" since the 70's.

So we're what mortal enemies because I like the Cowboys? Perhaps you should rethink the word "hate".....you use it so easily. You "hate" me because I'm a Cowboys fan? Ok...

 

[StarStruck]

Yes it's very good for Michael. He's making a difference rather than making a mess out of his life. Sometimes people DO change. He has.

WWJD,
I saw Michael and his wife on T. D. Jakes program a couple of years ago. When he talked openly about his past behavior, the mistakes that he made, and his public apology to his wife and through tears, I found myself in tears also . Anyone that can go public to that extent without excuses has my respect, so much that I bought the tape.

However, there was always something I liked about Michael as a person, even when he was wearing his clown suit, and lord knows I was praying for the man, lol. I remember when Emmitt and Deion were regulars on TBN, and were talking about some of the Cowboys that were attending their church and bible studies, I remember thinking, yall, what about Michael. So when, the change came, I celebrated as if he was a family member--but I guess he is.

 

[StarStruck]

Deion Sanders

1996: arrested for fishing in an off-limits Florida airport lake

Wow, usually a person gets a ticket. Property must have been owned by a Dolphin or Bucs fan.

2003: sued by auto body shop owner after he only paid $1,500 of a nearly $4,300 bill. He claimed that Jesus told him he only needed to pay $1,500.

Great that Deion is a businessman and did not allow himself to be taken advantage of. He did win that case.

 

[HowBoutThemCowboys!]

If there's one thing I hate more than a Cowgirl fan it is a kiss up!

Nothing personal Vinny! I do think you do a good job, but a kiss up (cleaner term for the mb) is always obvious...

And a few other things...The girls will not go to another SB until Jerrah is no longer the owner of the team. And when will girl fans realize the girls are no longer "America's Team"? They haven't been "America's Team" since the 70's.

Amazing Race, come on man, why the name calling? I'm simply giving credit when it's due to our admin, what's the big deal? I'm willing to admit the truth. I'll admit the Texans are a great orginization, Casserly is a genius, and I for one and about 99% of Cowboy fans are still jealous and bitter of our game on September 8th, 2002.

America's Team is my signature because I love it. I love the title. I love the tradition of excellence it brings. It makes me proud to be a Cowboy fan through the thick and the thin(see 19-10).