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With the 8th pick Houston selects:
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Texas_Thrill
Veteran
peep the signature.
Ya the seahawks couldnt get a first rouner for Shaun Alexander two years ago either.
Titan "Tack" Fan
Veteran
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Nawzer
Alienz
If JaMarcus Russell declares (has he?) for the draft and he drops to the no.8 spot we must draft him. He's not as polished but he has a higher potential imo than Brady Quinn. But I don't see him dropping that far down and I think in the end I'll be happy with a stud corner or safety.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Why wouldn't he drop to us? Look who is ahead of us..
1. Oakland (2-14)-Will pick Calvin Johnson
2. Detroit (3-13)- Will pick Quinn.
3. Cleveland (4-12) - Do not need A QB. Need an OL or RB
4. Tampa Bay (4-12)- Need OL or Def Player. Just signed Simms to Extension
5. Arizona (5-11)- Already Have QB.
6. Washington (5-11)- Have Jason Campbel.
7. Minnesota (6-10)- Maybe will draft JM but they need recievers.
8. Houston (6-10) Need A QB!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, they need a QB, but they don't need to draft one in the first round. They need to do what they originally should have done from the beginning. Concentrate on the lines, and use a veteran QB, with either Sage, or a free agent.
I agree with what Vinny said awhile back. If they draft a QB in the first round, after not taking one in what was the best QB class since 1983, I think my head would explode.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
On draft day, could you set up a camera and tape your reactions to the Texans' picks?
I mean...
Just in case...
Cause if your head explodes... that would be a really cool video and your family would probably be able to make some money to pay for the funeral and everything.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't say that Cleveland wouldn't pick a QB. Charlie Frye has been OK, but Russell or Quinn would be a major upgrade. Plus they have had some injuries to their OL and Reuben Droughns was injured for part of this year. He did have 2 consecutive 1200yd seasons prior to this year.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Last years draft is the Past. You can't go with the Logic that if they didn't draft a qb last year, then they won't draft one this Year. If you go by that Logic then they shouldn't draft AD cause they didn't draft Bush last year. They thought that Carr would Improve with Kubiak. Well, he hasn't and probably won't.
And I'm Not saying that the Texans should draft a QB with their first Pick, but they shouldn't disregard it either cause of what they did last year.
stingray
Hall of Fame
You have a point, but Frye is really young, I think they wanna give him a chance.
hehe . . . let's just say I'm extremely EXREMELY confident that Kubiak/Smith would NOT be so stupid as to take a QB in the first, even if they DO dump Carr.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Many people believe that Adrian Peterson is a better pro prospect than Reggie Bush, so your point does not apply.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Who says ,You!! Bush would have been drafted ahead of AD this year and you know that. As a matter of fact he would have been the first player taken this year. Adrian is a hella of player but Bush has more Upside.
mexican_texan
Furry Tractors
Bush is the better prospect, but AP is by far a better runner.
stingray
Hall of Fame
Yeah, just like Matt millen wasn't stupid enough to take Matt leinart. He looks like a bafoon, now.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
They are two totally different style players. Adrian is your pure running back that is in the mold of Larry Johnson and Shaun Alexander while Reggie is in the mold of Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook. Bush may have been drafted higher due to the hype behind him, but that does not make him a better player or prospect.
stingray
Hall of Fame
You said prospect , not player. And Bush would be the Better prospect cause of his speed and recieving skills. And you say that Bush would be drafted higher cause of the Hype... I don't think that Scouts and GM's draft players cause of Hype. You know how much film these guys watch? They draft players cause they think they will be good NFL players. If they went by Hype, then Troy smith would be drafted first this year.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
And many people say that next years RB class, even without AP and Lynch is potentially one of the best in history.
You saw what Wali Lundy can do if . . IF the OL can block
You saw what Ron Dayne can do if . . IF the OL can block.
You saw what Chris Taylor can do if . IF the OL can block.
We don't need no stinkin running backs. What we need is more attention paid to the OL. I know that isn't sexy enough for you, but . . .
Texian
Hall of Fame
Since Cleveland has the 3rd or 4th worst run defense, and they play the 3-4, and Ted Washington will start his 17th year, I imagine they may have their eye on Branch.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
We saw Chris Taylor get 28 total carries against two of the worst run defenses in the league. I don't know why so many people are acting like he ran for 1800 yards this season. He averaged 4.4 yards per carry and had one touchdown. He played well in his limited touches but lets be realistic about him. If he makes the team next year then it will be for depth and depth alone.
Ron Dayne played well and will most likely be back next year getting a good amount of carries.
Lundy was too inconsistent and I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut in the off season. He had some great games, and some pathetic games. Considering he had nine carries in the last four weeks of the season when we were running a run heavy offense, I don't like his chances to come back.
I'm also not saying that we should completely abandon the OL in this draft. In fact I have never said that. All I have said is that we should take either Adrian Peterson or Marshawn Lynch with the first pick. In my opinion there is only OL worth taking in the top ten (Joe Thomas), but I don't believe we will be in a position to draft him at eight.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
Agreed. Branch is up... my theory has always been to build from the inside out. The bull pen has an excellent thread concerning the accuracy of Spencer's recover reports. On that thread are a couple of projections, and conjectures on starting probablities for the o-line in '07. What you shuold draw from thier guesses is that the o-line is far from a done deal. And only a crazy man would go into '07 with this group. Kubiak and Smith are not crazy. They will pick up some o-line guys this off season.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I totally agree with this draft philosophy. Joe Thomas is a monster, but I don't think that he'll get past Tampa Bay at 4.
Adrian Peterson would be my 2nd choice, but I don't think that he'll be around at #8 either. I also question his durability.
Marshawn Lynch probably will be available at 8 and would be a perfect fit for our offense. I think that he would be like Ricky Watters was at SF when Kubes was QB coach. He would be the classic WCO back to catch short passes from the backfield and compliment Dayne's power running style.
stingray
Hall of Fame
what if the best offensive tackle available is considered a secound round pick You still want him with the eight pick?
Sco-tai
Waterboy
I have a problem with Merriweather. The way he acted in the fight, hitting people with his helmet. No way.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
Completely agree. There are very few (if any) positions that we can say we are fully set at. Picking eighth I find it hard to believe that we won't be able to get a player who won't be an immediate improvement at any position.
We may not agree on who to pick but that happens every year in every round. Bottom line is that the guy we get, whether it is Peterson, Landry, Branch, Lynch, Nelson, or whoever will be hard to argue against once cooler heads prevail.
This is what I want ....
Round 1 : Laron Landry(FS) - LSU
Round 2 : Rufus Alexander(OLB) - OU *just so everyone knows I liked him BEFORE tonights game
Round 3 : Brian Leonard(FB/RB) - Rutgers
I'm no draft expert so I'm not sure if this is a feasible scenario but it's who I'd like us to pick.
Go Texans!!!
Round 1 : Laron Landry(FS) - LSU
Round 2 : Rufus Alexander(OLB) - OU *just so everyone knows I liked him BEFORE tonights game
Round 3 : Brian Leonard(FB/RB) - Rutgers
I'm no draft expert so I'm not sure if this is a feasible scenario but it's who I'd like us to pick.
Go Texans!!!
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I was really impressed with Rufus Alexander tonight, physical player, shows great leadership & plays with instincts/savey. we'll get a chance to see the other top OLB in the BCS title game (Florida, Earl Everett). maybe the Texans will have a choice (2nd rd.) as they hopefully have with 1st (#8) between Landry & Nelson. not sure in this case however how Reggie will be able to handle the game & prepare after losing his mom to breast cancer? our prayers & thoughts go out to him and his family.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
tulexan
Hall of Fame
I guess three first round picks and our biggest free agent signing last year weren't enough for our defensive line?
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
1. LaRon Landry (FS LSU) or Reggie Nelson (FS FLorida)
2. Amobie Okoye(DT Louisville) or Rufus Alexander (OLB OKlahoma) or Jared Gaither (OT Maryland)
3. Brandon Mebane (DT Cal) or Aaron Ross (CB Texas) or Ryan Kalil (C USC)
2. Amobie Okoye(DT Louisville) or Rufus Alexander (OLB OKlahoma) or Jared Gaither (OT Maryland)
3. Brandon Mebane (DT Cal) or Aaron Ross (CB Texas) or Ryan Kalil (C USC)
Love your picks.
1. Landry/Nelson
2.Alexander
3. Kalil
4.Josh Wilson
5.Jeff Rowe
Texian
Hall of Fame
I am just going off what the man said,
Thats about all Houston knows about the draft as Kubiak would not say whether he was leaning toward offense or defense in the first round.
That would be really hard to answer right now, Kubiak said. I think thats all going to depend on where we are at with our football team. Thats all going to depend on what we need and what players are available.
Kubiak said that finding defensive line help this offseason is a must, citing a need to produce a pass rush without blitzing.
But he also said that his offense could use some more playmakers whether at running back or receiver. Therefore, he wasnt prepared to share any philosophy that he and General Manager Rick Smith will have when it comes to drafting for need or selecting the best player available.
and
(on fulfilling the need for pass rushers) Theres no doubt, weve got to find a way to put some pressure on some people. We played a group yesterday that was missing a couple of guards and (defensive coordinator) Richard (Smith) dialed up plenty of zone gods trying to create pressure and that is one glaring thing that Ive been looking at this morning, comparing progress, where there was progress and some things we didnt do well. One of the first things that I looked at was the fact that we didnt pressure the quarterback really well. weve got to figure out a way to do that and if weve got to be able to do that with four guys in this league if youre having to dial-up zone dogs and blitz in this league weekin and week-out, specially in our division in my opinion, youre going to get burned. So weve got to find a way to pressure the quarterback with four guys and that will be a big point of emphasis.
TheOgre
All Pro
Jason Babin was drafted as a 3-4 OLB, and really doesn't have much of an impact in the 4-3. Travis Johnson has been to date a monumental bust. Weaver can play DE/DT and Mario looked like a keeper at DE. We still need more.
Is there any position which cannot be upgraded ? At the eighth spot the Texans can let whomever slides their way be the choice. There is no rocket science here. Somebody, who no doubt will upgrade one side of the ball or the other will be available at 8. Same can be said for the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well. I am more interested in free agency. 3 or 4 top veterans to go with a well placed draft and this team is a 500 team next year.
Here's just a few players in the 2005 Draft that we passed on to eventually
take TJ: Derrick Johnston, Texas LB drafted by the Chiefs; Mark Clayton, Oklahoma WR drafted by the Ravens, and most of all Alex Barron, also a Sooner and an OT who was taken by the Saints and will be in the Pro Bowl this year in only in his second year of course.
That pick was really a dog !
K
kingh99
Guest
A big ole DT or DE. That guy from Michigan will do. Looks like another Seymour Tank. Imagine Mario and one other big mother. If they keep Carr it means they are going to try and win with defense.
tulexan
Hall of Fame
We didn't pass on Mark Clayton or Alex Barron. We passed on Jamal Brown and Thomas Davis
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
If the dominate o-tackles are out of reach or going back to school; and the boards strength is defense...Why do you reach on the offensive players ? If the board gives you a chance to build a superb deffense, don't you have to do that ? I don't like it either, but you can't force a draft. You've gotta flow with it. What I see is a lot of fine deffensive prospects on the board. We're loaded at the skill positions...except QB, pig out on the deffensive guys the first two out of three picks. Draft for need on day two. There'll be plenty of o guys still left on the board. all shapes and sizes, all day...I promise.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I agree. Or...if they can find a suitor, trade down. You look at what Belichick is going to get a choce of at the bottom of the first, and you know there is a method in his maddness. Be nice to feather our nest and end up with an extra pick or two. Lot of 8-8 clubs behind us looking to make a play off run in '07. Can we agree that we're more than 1 piece away ourselves ?
Texian
Hall of Fame
Speaking of Belichick, if he wants to trade current picks #22 and #28 for #8, I am all for it. This is only a 40 pt difference on the value chart.
YoungTexanFan
All Pro
Assuming JT and CJ are off the boards, I make that move as well. Less cap hit and more bang for our buck.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
When two of three do not fit...yes. Babins was a tweener who was projected to make the transition to LB. TJ is ...well Travis Johnson. After you've watched what is out there, can't you name four day one guys who automatically eclipse what TJ and Babins brings to the table ? Isn't that what they are supposed to do in the draft..upgrade the tallent level of the team ? And if the tallent on the board is on that side of the ball, don't you have to look at it ? You need to throw Peek in there also. He cannot play with his knuckles off the ground. He has a LBs stature , locked into DE by a nosetackles brain. He is one of the most atheltic d players we have. Just couldn't make a LB transition. And never will. So that's is three guys on the d-line who are marginal. Yes they do have to look at improving the d-line. The stats told me so.
Texian
Hall of Fame
You give Babin a pass because he was a DE drafted to play OLB but Johnson is a monumental bust because he was a DT drafted to play DE. Let's be fair and give them a full year at their natural position before labeling them a monumental bust.
threetoedpete
Hall of Fame
I thought TJ's strength coming out of college was his quickness to dominate the intrerior of the offensive line ? I have seen no quickness or domination from TJ. I have been more than fair with him. He is on his last chance with this off season. The first round pick and the ramifacations of failure with him has kept him on the squad. I don't think those things are going to matter any more with this staff. He got very ordinary once he cashed his first NFL check.
Babins has no pass from me. We'll see in the next few weeks who gets asked to restucture. And who does not. They won't keep both Peek and Babins.
Babins has no pass from me. We'll see in the next few weeks who gets asked to restucture. And who does not. They won't keep both Peek and Babins.