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With DE-Smith signed, who @ 15?

Cushing and Mathews are my first choices. Move down....Sidbury, Barwin...Engilish, beerlovers guy.


This all assumes that we aren't targeting Micheal Johnson or Tyson Jackson.

Cushing and Mathews are locked and loaded and have the talent to beat out Dilles or Adibi this summer. Both bring pass rush abilities. Just my guess.
 
We're still gonna try to trade out of 15 for more picks..but if not, and the way it looks right now, Cushing will wear his 1st set of cowboy boots here as a Texan:tiphat:
 
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Maclin I'm hoping or Maulauga. I worry about the steroid rumors with Cush.

Just as long as Michael Johnson stays the hell away
 
Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Larry English. Now that we signed a solid starting DE we can afford to get an undersized pass-rushing specialist that has huge potential to be a stud in the future. DE is still my first choice.

I wouldn't mind getting a physical specimen at LB either, like Rey Rey, Sintim, etc.
 
I guess the question in my mind is at what position do the Texans not currently have a bonafide starting quality player. Or, what position do they NEED a true starting quality player where they do not currently have one.

It is not clear to me were the Texans stand at cornerback. How confident are the Texans about having Dunta Robinson and Fred Bennett as their starters for the next few years? Is Dunta really ready to take on this responsibility after his injury? Is Fred Bennett really a starting quality CB over the intermediate to long term?

A linebacker would be great. But to whatever extent we have a glaring need, I hope we address that in the first round, if possible.

The good news is that after the Antoine Smith signing, it is becoming increasingly difficult to see a glaring need in the Texan's starting lineup.
 
MojoMan said:
I guess the question in my mind is at what position do the Texans not currently have a bonafide starting quality player. Or, what position do they NEED a true starting quality player where they do not currently have one.

It is not clear to me were the Texans stand at cornerback. How confident are the Texans about having Dunta Robinson and Fred Bennett as their starters for the next few years? Is Dunta really ready to take on this responsibility after his injury? Is Fred Bennett really a starting quality CB over the intermediate to long term?

A linebacker would be great. But to whatever extent we have a glaring need, I hope we address that in the first round, if possible.

The good news is that after the Antoine Smith signing, it is becoming increasingly difficult to see a glaring need in the Texan's starting lineup.
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A space eating DT is a big need but Raji will be long gone by 15

Though he is hated on, Reeves is the sure starter at CB, Robinson and Bennett are going for the other spot
 
So how does everyone think this affects the draft now that we have a "hopefully" legit compliment to Mario?

Here's my thoughts:

1. OLB
2. S
3. Complmentary RB to SS
4. Guard/Center
4. DT or DE Pass Rush Specialist
5. Project QB
6. WR
7. Offensive Line

Sure hope we sign a complimentary back to Steve or a Short Yardage type in FA, so we can get the other in the draft.
 
The1ApplePie said:
A space eating DT is a big need but Raji will be long gone by 15

Though he is hated on, Reeves is the sure starter at CB, Robinson and Bennett are going for the other spot
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I am virtually always up for spending high draft picks on defensive linemen. But with Okoye and Johnson, the Texans appear to be set for starters at DT. In fact, I do not believe the Texans staff sees DT as a NEED position, so they are unlikely to spend a first round pick on one this year.

I keep thinking cornerback, if they can get one they believe is worth the pick. But a linebacker would be good too.

In the first round, the four most important positions to look at in my opinion are QB, OT, DE and CB. It is really desirable to have difference makers and dominant players at these four positions. Not that picking one in the first round guarantees you that.

We are set at QB, OT and DE, at least as far as picking in the first round goes. But at CB, I am not so sure that the Texan's are satisfied with what they have here.
 
I'm looking at Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Alphonso Smith or Jeremy Maclin.

Interested in Sean Smith or Donald Brown in the 2nd round.

I'd prefer:
1st- SLB Cushing/Matthews
2nd- CB/S Sean Smith
 
MojoMan said:
I am virtually always up for spending high draft picks on defensive linemen. But with Okoye and Johnson, the Texans appear to be set for starters at DT. In fact, I do not believe the Texans staff sees DT as a NEED position, so they are unlikely to spend a first round pick on one this year.

I keep thinking cornerback, if they can get one they believe is worth the pick. But a linebacker would be good too.

In the first round, the four most important positions to look at in my opinion are QB, OT, DE and CB. It is really desirable to have difference makers and dominant players at these four positions. Not that picking one in the first round guarantees you that.

We are set at QB, OT and DE, at least as far as picking in the first round goes. But at CB, I am not so sure that the Texan's are satisfied with what they have here.
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DeMeco Ryans needs to be protected from blockers. With bust and flop in front of him last year, he got killed. Either a stud like Maulauga needs to be in the middle or a big DT is needed to soak up blockers.

Not sure about CB, not many impressive prospects this year. I think the Texans may go with more offensive firepower if its BPA
 
Doesn't really mean much I know.... but in all the mocks I am seeing Maualuga available at 15 more and more these days. Man I can really see myself enjoying watching him play next to former DROY Demeco Ryans.
 
Vontae Davis,CB, may be the only secondary player that would be worthy of the 15th pick. B.J.Raji is the only DT to take at 15 and he won't be there. I just don't see us going offense in the first, so it boils down to DE/OLB, if we stay where we are. Very possibly another trade back year.
 
PhilpW said:
Vontae Davis,CB, may be the only secondary player that would be worthy of the 15th pick. B.J.Raji is the only DT to take at 15 and he won't be there. I just don't see us going offense in the first, so it boils down to DE/OLB, if we stay where we are. Very possibly another trade back year.
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Did you mean CB/OLB?
 
If Rey Rey is there at 15 do we take and move him or Demeco to the SLB? I just dont see us going DE in the first after this signing, at all?
 
The1ApplePie said:
A space eating DT is a big need but Raji will be long gone by 15

Though he is hated on, Reeves is the sure starter at CB, Robinson and Bennett are going for the other spot
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Raji isn't the only huge DT in the draft. You guys shouldn't overlook his teammate, Ron Brace.

Height: 6-3 | Weight: 324 | 40-Time: 5.30
Ron Brace | Boston College Eagles

Strengths:
Excellent size and bulk...Very quick off the snap...Great strength...Is stout at the point of attack...Does a terrific job against the run...Gets a good push up the middle...Will collapse the pocket...A powerful tackler...Shows the ability to shoot gaps and penetrate at times...Nice instincts / awareness...Lots of experience...Improving and has upside.
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This would be a great pick up if we pick him up in the 2nd, would be even better if he fell to us in the 3rd round.
 
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I say trade down, probably with Atlanta, and gather more picks since the team no longer is in dire straits for a DE. Players like Matthews, Delmas, Sean Smith, Michael Johnson, Max Unger, Peria Jerry, or Darcel McBath will be available at the bottom of the 1st and into the 2nd.
 
Texan JBZ said:
I say trade down, probably with Atlanta, and gather more picks since the team no longer is in dire straits for a DE. Players like Matthews, Delmas, Sean Smith, Michael Johnson, Max Unger, Peria Jerry, or Darcel McBath will be available at the bottom of the 1st and into the 2nd.
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Works for me if we get enough from Atlanta for the pick. In your opinion, what should we expect to receive from them exactly?
 
The1ApplePie said:
A space eating DT is a big need but Raji will be long gone by 15

Though he is hated on, Reeves is the sure starter at CB, Robinson and Bennett are going for the other spot
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I understand the desire to get a monster at DT, but I do wonder what Kubiak, Smith, and Bush really want in that position. For the years they've been here, and with all the DTs they've brought in, only Okam has the physical size to be that kind of guy.

But, I totally agree. Reeves is the only bonafide starter we've got playing the CB position right now.
 
So should I go ahead and pre-order my Harvin jersey? j/k

I could see them taking a player like Jerry, Matthews, or CB still depending on Dunta's situation.

Who do I want them to take??? Rey Rey
 
I don't see that the Smith signing changes anything. They still need a pass rush. Smith kicks inside to DT on passing downs, so they're still going to need a pass rushing DE.
 
one FA signing that will change things for us is the Chiefs getting Cassel, that's potentially one less player available for us as they won't be taking a QB anymore (as some mocks suggest).

i hope we still go after Ayers in the 2nd.
 
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How about trading down and selecting Clint Sintim and acquiring an extra 3rd round pick in the process?
 
MojoMan said:
Works for me if we get enough from Atlanta for the pick. In your opinion, what should we expect to receive from them exactly?
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Good ol Moj! I say two picks Moj, a third and a sixth this year, or a third this year and a third next year. Moving down nine slots in the first round should at least bring in two picks. What do you think about that?
 
Texan JBZ said:
Good ol Moj! I say two picks Moj, a third and a sixth this year, or a third this year and a third next year. Moving down nine slots in the first round should at least bring in two picks. What do you think about that?
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That would be spectacular. Given the choice, I would think a third rounder this year and next would be great, if we could get it.

Also, since Arizona just lost one of their starting defensive ends, maybe they want to trade up to pick a replacement. They have the 31st overall pick.

Either way, I like the trade down option a lot.
 
threetoedpete said:
Cushing and Mathews are my first choices. Move down....Sidbury, Barwin...Engilish, beerlovers guy.


This all assumes that we aren't targeting Micheal Johnson or Tyson Jackson.

Cushing and Mathews are locked and loaded and have the talent to beat out Dilles or Adibi this summer. Both bring pass rush abilities. Just my guess.
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Looks like I found some else who likes Sidbury and I think we could get him in the 3rd. Was listening to the radio today and they had Clay Matthews on and he just blew me away. I hope that is the player we pick at 15, because he came off in the interview as a worker and a bad ass
 
i think we'll do 2 things:

either stay at 15 and take maybin/sintim/cushing ie.. an olb that can also drop down to RDE on 3rd and long


or take the top ranked safety preferably after a trade down
 
I like Ron Brace but not as a player for this team. He's a run stuff only. As much as I want a guy that can tie up two offensive linemen, we're gonna be sending the DL on every play just about. Brace isn't that kind of linemen. I see him as a mid 2nd rd pick maybe late but will get picked early by one of the 3-4 teams to groom as a NT. Just my thoughts but I don't see us taking Brace, I just assume give Okam more playing time.

Peria Jerry could actually be a great fit. It sounds like Antonio Smith is good at bumping inside on 3rd and long situations. I wouldn't be against having a line like Jerry-Smith-Okoye-Mario on passing downs if thats what it comes down to. I think Jerry is going to be a great pro. If he slips into the 20's, some team will be getting a steal.
 
beerlover said:
Texans trade down & take Clay Mathews, OLB/DE or Darius Butler, CB.
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Hell I would be happy with those 2 and no trade down. I think Mathews versatility and upside make him worty of 15. Not to mention that versatility covers 2 of our biggest needs. OLB and DE. Hes really a good fit for this team.

Butler would be an absolute steal at 46.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I like Ron Brace but not as a player for this team. He's a run stuff only. As much as I want a guy that can tie up two offensive linemen, we're gonna be sending the DL on every play just about. Brace isn't that kind of linemen. I see him as a mid 2nd rd pick maybe late but will get picked early by one of the 3-4 teams to groom as a NT. Just my thoughts but I don't see us taking Brace, I just assume give Okam more playing time.

Peria Jerry could actually be a great fit. It sounds like Antonio Smith is good at bumping inside on 3rd and long situations. I wouldn't be against having a line like Jerry-Smith-Okoye-Mario on passing downs if thats what it comes down to. I think Jerry is going to be a great pro. If he slips into the 20's, some team will be getting a steal.
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Picking Peria Jerry would an even bigger luxury pick than picking any of the DE's. Jerry is a 3-technique Defensive Tackle just like Okoye, TJ, and now on passing downs Smith.

Do the Texans really need another of these type of players, and the salary that will come with being a 1st Rd selection?

Even if you start him in place of TJ, I wouldn't expect it to work very well because the opponents would just run up the middle on the Texans all day long.

I know some people have this idea that just because Kollar and Bush want their Defensive Lineman to penetrate that it means the Texans don't need a big bodied NT. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Texans still need a big bodied NT, they just need one that can move.

I'm hoping that with Kollar's instruction that Okam can eventually improve into this role. He has the big body, and he can move as well, so he fits the description. Time will tell if he improves enough to get the roll.
 
If we really want to run a penetrating defense, then Rey Rey needs to be the pick and moved inside. DeMeco is near perfect but like Ray Lewis, he is not good at taking on blockers.

I don't see Amobi panning out too well and passing on Willis and Beason hurts now more than ever. Not sure if Amobi would even have been a first round pick the previous draft or this one
 
This is gonna make a really entertaining & exciting Texans Draft, though the 2006 Texans Draft would be very difficult to beat in those terms. But this is different.
With a DLineman being signed first in FA, then with our new backup QB signed no telling who we take ? But we are not in a position where we don't need to reach for anything - so good chance the first round pick will be BPA.
 
Tailgate said:
Doesn't really mean much I know.... but in all the mocks I am seeing Maualuga available at 15 more and more these days. Man I can really see myself enjoying watching him play next to former DROY Demeco Ryans.
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He is falling in mocks because a lot of teams that interviewed him weren't attracted to his attitude.

That doesn't mean he is a bad guy or anything, they just couldn't decide if he was just a carefree guy or an immature one.
 
Texan JBZ said:
I say trade down, probably with Atlanta, and gather more picks since the team no longer is in dire straits for a DE. Players like Matthews, Delmas, Sean Smith, Michael Johnson, Max Unger, Peria Jerry, or Darcel McBath will be available at the bottom of the 1st and into the 2nd.
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Sure McBath will be available in the second round but who is gonna take him there?
 
Big Lou said:
So how does everyone think this affects the draft now that we have a "hopefully" legit compliment to Mario?

Here's my thoughts:

1. OLB
2. S
3. Complmentary RB to SS
4. Guard/Center
4. DT or DE Pass Rush Specialist

5. Project QB
6. WR
7. Offensive Line

Sure hope we sign a complimentary back to Steve or a Short Yardage type in FA, so we can get the other in the draft.
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Let us know how that Fourth rounder works out next October. I'll believe it when I see it. The scouts hit one Mr. McNair should send the scouts and their wives on an all expenses paid vacation to Tahiti.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Maclin I'm hoping or Maulauga. I worry about the steroid rumors with Cush.

Just as long as Michael Johnson stays the hell away
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Amen to all of that except for the Maclin thing. We have to get a defensive guy in the 1st. Don't want anything to do with Michael Johnson.

I think Maulauga would be our best bet for sure, but he won't be there most likely. I too, worry about the steroid rumors with Cushing. Don't want a guy like that.
 
Somebody will fall & my guess is it'll probably be micheal johnson just b/c they say there's too much bad tape out on him. If Rey Rey & or Andre Smith don't show well at their respective pro days this month, then it gets interesting b/c Rey was already a borderline top 10 pick & Andre Smith continues to shoot himself in the foot.

I'm all for mauluga if he's there just b/c i think he's one of those guys who plays faster than his 40 would indicate. If they insist on not drafting Johnson, then we need to trade down & pick up Matthews.
 
Since Benson has signed with the Bengals, I am expecting us to start with a cornerback, but outside linebacker and running back will be priorities as well. I would still not be the least bit surprised to see a free agent running back signed before the draft, but probably not as big a name as Benson.

1. CB
2. OLB
3. RB
4. OL (or DL)
4. DL (or OL)
5. TE (blocking)
6. FS
7. Who knows
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I like Ron Brace but not as a player for this team. He's a run stuff only. As much as I want a guy that can tie up two offensive linemen, we're gonna be sending the DL on every play just about. Brace isn't that kind of linemen. I see him as a mid 2nd rd pick maybe late but will get picked early by one of the 3-4 teams to groom as a NT. Just my thoughts but I don't see us taking Brace, I just assume give Okam more playing time.

Peria Jerry could actually be a great fit. It sounds like Antonio Smith is good at bumping inside on 3rd and long situations. I wouldn't be against having a line like Jerry-Smith-Okoye-Mario on passing downs if thats what it comes down to. I think Jerry is going to be a great pro. If he slips into the 20's, some team will be getting a steal.
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Brace or Raji stuff the run which is exactly what we have been missing AND collapse the pocket which could help keep Super Mario from getting doubled. Peria will not do that. He is another Okoye type. Brace had 2 QB sacks last season. We just need to keep the extra guy off Mario and maybe get in the QB's face a time or two to keep him from running away from Williams.

All of your LB, DE, Safeties, CBs, etc do nothing to stop the run. We now have a DE to help Mario. We should get a RB to increase red zone scoring. The only priority left mentioned by coaches is stopping the run. Okoye did not do that. TJ did not do that. Okam rarely did that (hope for him this season) and Mario did not stop the run.

You got basically 2 guys possible in draft. Raji and Brace. Other guys are needed but not for priority position.
 
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