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Winston counter sues woman

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The attorneys for Tampa Bay Buccaneers rookie quarterback Jameis Winston said in a court filing that the No. 1 NFL pick and the former Florida State University star did not rape the woman who is suing him and that she is motivated by greed.

Attorneys John F. Myers and David Cornwell Sr. filed the counterclaim Friday against Erica Kinsman in federal court in Orlando.

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Kinsman is a former Florida State student. She filed suit against Winston last month saying she was intoxicate at a Tallahassee bar in December 2012 when Winston and others took her back to Winston’s apartment and he sexually assaulted her. The lawsuit accuses Winston of rape, assault, false imprisonment and emotional distress. Winston says the sex was consensual. Her lawsuit was filed two weeks before the NFL Draft.

Winston signed a four-year, $23.35 million contract with the Buccaneers and was at the start of rookie minicamp Friday.

Winston has repeatedly denied the allegations in the past and prosecutors decline to file charges against him in late 2013. He also was cleared by the university following a two-day student conduct hearing last year. The hearing was held to determine whether Winston violated four sections of the code of conduct -- two for sexual misconduct and two for endangerment.

The the counterclaim, filed by Winston, claims Kinsman has told "many different inconsisent accounts of her sexual encounter" with the quarterback.

Ms. Kinsman has been successful in one major area," the filing said. "She has mounted a false and vicious media campaign to vilify Mr. Winston with the objective of getting him to pay her to go away. Ms. Kinsman is motivated by the most insidious objectives — greed," it added.

The Tampa Bay Times reported that Winston requested a jury to hear the matter. The filing points out that Kinsman chose to leave the bar and didn't object in the taxi or when they got out.

It said Kinsman, afterward, rode on Winston's motorscooter with "her arms wrapped around Mr. Winston's waist."

"Ms. Kinsman got off the scooter, gave Mr. Winston a hug, and walked ... to her dormitory," it said.

The filing said she made no call to 911 and didn't call or text family or friends to tell them what happened. "Kinsman admits that she had access to her phone, but she did not use it to call for aid," it said.

The filing added, "Ms. Kinsman has made the False Statements in an effort to cause damage to Mr. Winston's reputation and to coerce and extort him to give her money and 'make her go away.' Ms. Kinsman was aware that Mr. Winston was likely to earn a substantial amount of money in salary, bonuses, and endorsements as a professional NFL football player."

The counterclaim added that "Ms. Kinsman's publication of the False Statements tarnished Mr. Winston's reputation and public image, and caused him to incur actual damages."

"... Her False Statements are per se defamatory because she has repeatedly accused him of committing a crime that he did not commit" it added, stating that the quarterback suffered actual damages "greater than $75,000."

John Clune, a lawyer for Kinsman, had said in a statement shortly after Kinsman's suit was filed there are consequences for Winston's behavior "and since others have refused to hold him accountable, our client will."

"Erica hopes to show other survivors the strength and empowerment that can come from refusing to stay silent no matter what forces are against you," Clune said in that statement last month. "Jameis Winston in contrast has proven time and time again to be an entitled athlete who believes he can take what he wants."

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So far, the only reason I can think of that others have not come forward & said Winston did the same to them is because there aren't others, meaning it most likely didn't happen in this case either.

There have been ample opportunity for them to "come out"

Now that Winston is counter suing, I can't imagine why anyone sitting on the fence would not come forward. If just one woman comes out & says he did it to her, then I'm going to forever think of Winston as a pos. If not, it would be my belief that it didn't happen the way Kinsman says she remembers it.
 
thunderkyss said:
So far, the only reason I can think of that others have not come forward & said Winston did the same to them is because there aren't others, meaning it most likely didn't happen in this case either.

There have been ample opportunity for them to "come out"

Now that Winston is counter suing, I can't imagine why anyone sitting on the fence would not come forward. If just one woman comes out & says he did it to her, then I'm going to forever think of Winston as a pos. If not, it would be my belief that it didn't happen the way Kinsman says she remembers it.
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I'd say this if I was ever being voir dired - I have a hard time with a star football player raping. They get more slung at them than they can take. There's just a baseline doesn't make sense. Not saying it has never happened.
 
thunderkyss said:
So far, the only reason I can think of that others have not come forward & said Winston did the same to them is because there aren't others, meaning it most likely didn't happen in this case either.

There have been ample opportunity for them to "come out"

Now that Winston is counter suing, I can't imagine why anyone sitting on the fence would not come forward. If just one woman comes out & says he did it to her, then I'm going to forever think of Winston as a pos. If not, it would be my belief that it didn't happen the way Kinsman says she remembers it.
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I can sum it up in a word - Humiliation.

Ass to that , the court , police and university did all they could to make this go away and not go to court trial. Why would others come forward all the sudden and endure the same when all that is suppose to protect them does all they can to ensure the star football player is on the field for instead of in a jail cell.

Look at the women Bill Cosby supposedly raped / sexually assaulted , its been decades since many of those instances occurred and they are just now coming forward.


infantrycak said:
I'd say this if I was ever being voir dired - I have a hard time with a star football player raping. They get more slung at them than they can take. There's just a baseline doesn't make sense. Not saying it has never happened.
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http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104117&highlight=Darren+Sharper
 
Corrosion said:
I can sum it up in a word - Humiliation.

Ass to that , the court , police and university did all they could to make this go away and not go to court trial. Why would others come forward all the sudden and endure the same when all that is suppose to protect them does all they can to ensure the star football player is on the field for instead of in a jail cell.

Look at the women Bill Cosby supposedly raped / sexually assaulted , its been decades since many of those instances occurred and they are just now coming forward.
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There's a big difference between Bill Cosby & Freshman Jamies Winston.

As far as the cops & the school keeping this "hush-hush" I'm not buying it... whatever they chose not to uncover, TMZ or some other enterprise would have.
 
thunderkyss said:
There's a big difference between Bill Cosby & Freshman Jamies Winston.
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You'll have to explain the difference to me - other than method because when its all said and done the result is the same , one exerting power over their victims.

Would it somehow be less humiliating for a woman to be raped by one than the other ?! That was the point - why aren't they coming forward.
 
Corrosion said:
You'll have to explain the difference to me - other than method because when its all said and done the result is the same , one exerting power over their victims.

Would it somehow be less humiliating for a woman to be raped by one than the other ?! That was the point - why aren't they coming forward.
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You're normally a very innocent until proven guilty guy. Why so certain of guilt here?
 
infantrycak said:
You're normally a very innocent until proven guilty guy. Why so certain of guilt here?
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You are right , normally I am "Innocent until proven guilty" and I've made the same observation and stated so elsewhere , it does contradict my norm .... and I really cant come up with a reasonable answer as to why I feel like this guy is guilty , but I do.

As for the comparison of Cosby & Winston , its not really a comparison of them as individuals but a comparison of the victims - TK stated they have had plenty of time to come forward yet it took decades for Cosby's victims to do so and its not atypical for victims to hide their being abused.
 
Corrosion said:
You are right , normally I am "Innocent until proven guilty" and I've made the same observation and stated so elsewhere , it does contradict my norm .... and I really cant come up with a reasonable answer as to why I feel like this guy is guilty , but I do.

As for the comparison of Cosby & Winston , its not really a comparison of them as individuals but a comparison of the victims - TK stated they have had plenty of time to come forward yet it took decades for Cosby's victims to do so and its not atypical for victims to hide their being abused.
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Bill Cosby is practically an icon... even 40 years ago he had power & influence. Winston not so much.

As far as humiliation goes, there's a lot of anonymity to be had with the various outlets we have today... not one anonymous source to even claim Winston has done this to a friend of a friend.
 
I can't stand Winston. At all. I think he's an arrogant phony.

But everything I have ever heard or read about this story points to him being innocent.
 
badboy said:
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I don't know the facts in this case, but the morning after consensual, expanded to include drunks by choice, sex often result in regret and charges of rape, especially if one wanted more than a one night stand. Rape is an awful thing and those charges should be limited to real acts and not changes of heart.

I will also repeat my position that if two people get drunk (by choice) and have sex, the woman should not be able to claim rape by incapacity while the man, just as drunk is held accountable. In fact it is sexist since he could just as easily claim rape by incapacity, though it would be laughed out of court.

But my final position is that premarital sex should be discouraged as a normal practice since it leads to all sorts of emotional trauma and often killing of innocent babies as well as false charges. A little self control and self respect really is better for the social norm.
 
infantrycak said:
Why? And you have issues if your self-respect is tied to a ring on your partner.
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Cuz a ring makes it real love... :rolleyes:


But a ring makes this happening non existent?

But my final position is that premarital sex should be discouraged as a normal practice since it leads to all sorts of emotional trauma and often killing of innocent babies as well as false charges.
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