Will someone explain why people hate T.O.???

[JustBonee]

I like TO. I don't know if he is capable of being that team leader that people criticize him for not being .. so then it translates to many as being self-centered. I don't know if that is the case at all.
He certainly has the talent, but his personality (speaking and acting out) doesn't help his cause.
In some ways I feel sorry for the guy.

 

[wiley2002]

From what I see on tv, T.O. can't handle a loss. Losing is part of the game to. Maybe someone should tell him that instead of giving in to his petty whining.

 

[SESupergenius]

I'm beginning to think the Huge doesn't like T.O. because he showed up the Cowboys while at SF and is now showing up the Cowboys with their rivals, the Eagles.

 

[Fiddy]

For one, Marvin Harrison. Do you think Reggie Wayne's and Brandon Stoakley's emergence has had nothing to do with Harrison help? THAT is an example of a player making his teammates better.

How do you not know that T.O. did that??? Were you in the Eagles locker room all season long??? You are trying to say that you cant believe everything you hear, but you can't draw conclusions from stuff you haven't heard. And you ripped T.O. for not helping his cornerbacks, does Harrison help his CBs because if he does, it aint working.

Yeah, and McNabb said he wasn't tired in the Super Bowl. Do you honestly believe everything that comes out of these players' mouths?

Well, I have to because, unlike you, I dont have access to everyone's locker room and mind.

Who said anything about judging players based on "that season"? Ray Lewis has a ring...Owens doesn't. Is it that difficult?

When Bill Belichick was asked if it is hard to focus on the next season after winning a Super Bowl, he answered "What Super Bowl?" This is a what have you done for me lately league. Lewis hasnt been in the playoffs the last two years.

Your second comment isn't worth replying to but I'm beginning to believe you really don't know what you're talking about. Ever heard of guys like Jamie Sharper, Terrell Suggs, Peter Boulware, Ed Reed, Chris McCalister? All have said Lewis has been a major factor for their success because he takes the time to help them. Do you see him standing on the sidelines bitching out the D-Coordinator for not lining him up in certain positions so he can make more tackles? I haven't. Have we seen Owens do this?

Ok, Lewis helps out his players. So I guess there are very few teammates in the league. Harrison, Manning, Lewis are the only ones. Is Culpepper??? So McNabb isnt a teammate either, right??? I havent heard McNabb sitting down with WRs on the team and help them out so McNabb must be has horrible of a teammate as Owens.

And I havent seen Ray Lewis flip out on the sideline, but I have seen Ray Lewis mock Joey Porter by doing Porter's kick when Joey Porter was on the sideline with a gunshot injury.

Or was McNabb just having a better season and would have upped his QB rating w/o Owens...

McNabb's QB rating after Owens' injury:

Week 14 - 156.3 (only 3 attempts)
Week 15 - Did not play
Week 16 - 111.4
Week 17 - 111.1

McNabb's rating in the playoffs - 94.6 And you better believe that took a nosedive after Owens came back for the Super Bowl and McNabb tossed 3 INTs. So you can imagine what is was in the two games before the Super Bowl (when he didn't have Owens).

Those two teams in the playoffs were 22nd (ATL) and 27th (MIN) against the pass last year.

And are you going to start blaming T.O. for 3 passes that were intercepted that he wasn't a part of??? One was when McNabb lofted a 20 pass to Westbrook at the goal line that Harrison intercepted T.O. fault??? How bout the one where McNabb was late getting the ball to the TE and it was intercepted??? And the one at the end where McNabb had to travel 90 yards had to of been T.O.'s fault.

And you brought up Kobe Bryant early, so lets bring him up again. When Shaq was with the Lakers, he missed a lot of games and Kobe would look like the best player in the league when Shaq missed them. Then Shaq isnt even on the team anymore and Kobe isnt a top 10 player anymore. So the answer is yes, a players stats can continue to be good when the other star player on the team is injured.

From what I see on tv, T.O. can't handle a loss. Losing is part of the game to. Maybe someone should tell him that instead of giving in to his petty whining.

Wiley, are you ripping T.O. because he doesnt like to lose??? T.O. crys after losing cause he wants to go undeafted every year. He doesnt want to settle for losing.

 

[Huge]

Well, I have to (believe everything you're told) because, unlike you, I dont have access to everyone's locker room and mind.

So why don't you believe Freddie Mitchell and Hank Fraley when they said Mitchell was having to call plays in the huddle? If McNabb denies it, then somebody's got to be lying...right?

When Bill Belichick was asked if it is hard to focus on the next season after winning a Super Bowl, he answered "What Super Bowl?" This is a what have you done for me lately league. Lewis hasnt been in the playoffs the last two years.

So you're basing the Ravens absence from the playoffs the last couple of seasons as an example of Ray Lewis not being a good teammate. Holy hell I think you've reached the pinnacle.

And I havent seen Ray Lewis flip out on the sideline, but I have seen Ray Lewis mock Joey Porter by doing Porter's kick when Joey Porter was on the sideline with a gunshot injury.

If you could explain how this makes Ray Lewis a bad teammate, we can go from there. Other than that, what's the point of this comment? This discussion has nothing to do with Ray Lewis being a nice guy (Porter isn't one either).

And are you going to start blaming T.O. for 3 passes that were intercepted that he wasn't a part of??? One was when McNabb lofted a 20 pass to Westbrook at the goal line that Harrison intercepted T.O. fault??? How bout the one where McNabb was late getting the ball to the TE and it was intercepted??? And the one at the end where McNabb had to travel 90 yards had to of been T.O.'s fault.

Did you really spend the time to post all of this because you think I blamed Owens for McNabb's INTs? BWUHAHAHA. Where did I say this? And please, don't spend another paragraph explaining what you thought I meant.

And you brought up Kobe Bryant early, so lets bring him up again. When Shaq was with the Lakers, he missed a lot of games and Kobe would look like the best player in the league when Shaq missed them. Then Shaq isnt even on the team anymore and Kobe isnt a top 10 player anymore. So the answer is yes, a players stats can continue to be good when the other star player on the team is injured.

Kobe's stats continue to be good with Shaq on a different team. There's no question Kobe is a great player (just as Owens is). They're just not good teammates.

McNabb had success before Owens arrived. However his stats looked is irrelevent (although they were still good enough to get him to a few Pro Bowls). He's proven he can have success w/o Owens. Kobe hasn't proven he can do the same (yet...but I'm not betting on it).

See the difference?

I'm beginning to think the Huge doesn't like T.O. because he showed up the Cowboys while at SF and is now showing up the Cowboys with their rivals, the Eagles.

Honestly, Owens doesn't bother me. At times I find him quite humorous. I can certainly understand how others don't like him and that has been the basis of this. But I've never had a problem with him (or just about any other showboat). I'd prefer they handle themselves in a different manner but they gotta do what they gotta do.

 

[BattleRedRaider]

I don't hate T.O. Back when I was a Niner fan (when they would win games), I would yell at Garcia (in front of the TV) to throw it to T.O. He is a playmaker, and needs that ball. So he causes controversy by making comments about players; so what? If you all say they're dumb, then move on and dont worry about them. He complains about not getting the ball or someone not stepping up; it's his opinion. Don't complain about someone complaining. T.O's celebrations are somewhat controversial, but come on, they're just celebrations. The pom-pom's, the Ray Lewis mock, the Dallas Star, all just celebrations. If the ref's don't flag him for it, then no use in complaining about them. And if you want him to stop doing that, stop him yourself. T.O. brings intensity to his game, even when he's injured. Yeah, Ray Lewis brings intensity too, but uhh......(murder charges). T.O. = no murder charges. If Ray-Ray doesn't like T.O. doing his celebration, then don't let him into the end-zone, it's that simple. No matter what people say, I'm a T.O. fan, no matter what he says in the offseason, because what he does during the season is all that matters.

 

[Corrosion]

I don't expect athletes to be Einsteins, role models or someone to worship.

You dont expect them to be these things but the fact is many people worship the ground these guy's walk on .... especially Teenagers who are extremely impressionable .

In the case of TO , he's not neccessarily a bad guy by any stretch of the imagination . We may question his judgement , his choice of words and the fact he comes across as selfish but we cant question his desire to win . No one outworks TO . the fact that he actually played in the Superbowl was amazing . TO is an easy target for critisism because he puts himself in the spotlight . Compare him to players like Ray Caruth , Randy Moss , Ray Lewis , Jamal Lewis and Lawrence Taylor the guy is a saint .

TO doesn't bother me. He's just another clown with talent.

I have to agree with this statement

 

[Fiddy]

So why don't you believe Freddie Mitchell and Hank Fraley when they said Mitchell was having to call plays in the huddle? If McNabb denies it, then somebody's got to be lying...right?

Someone must be lying but we dont know who because we werent in the huddle.

So you're basing the Ravens absence from the playoffs the last couple of seasons as an example of Ray Lewis not being a good teammate. Holy hell I think you've reached the pinnacle.

You seem to be bashing T.O. because he hasnt won a super bowl, I'm just saying that Lewis hasnt had any success the last couple of years.

If you could explain how this makes Ray Lewis a bad teammate, we can go from there. Other than that, what's the point of this comment? This discussion has nothing to do with Ray Lewis being a nice guy (Porter isn't one either).

Well, it's not teaching his teammates how to be professional.

Did you really spend the time to post all of this because you think I blamed Owens for McNabb's INTs? BWUHAHAHA. Where did I say this? And please, don't spend another paragraph explaining what you thought I meant.

This is where it sounded like you said it: "McNabb's rating in the playoffs - 94.6 And you better believe that took a nosedive after Owens came back for the Super Bowl and McNabb tossed 3 INTs."

Kobe's stats continue to be good with Shaq on a different team. There's no question Kobe is a great player (just as Owens is). They're just not good teammates.

So how is Kobe not a good teammate??? He spends time after practice to work with Caron Butler.

 

[Huge]

So how is Kobe not a good teammate??? He spends time after practice to work with Caron Butler.

If you turn this into a "Kobe Bryant is a good teammate" discussion I swear to God I will hunt you down and make sure you don't populate the earth with more of your ilk.

 

[Huge]

But I'm going still going to try to answer your original question. Maybe if I can simplify it enough it will get through.

You posted this 8 days ago:

What else does he have to do to get people from bashing him???

This week, Owens is back in the headlines, again in a negative light, because he feels he's been taken advantage by the Eagles and wants a new contract.

This is the type of stuff that causes people not to like Terrell Owens. And it's not just limited to fans of opposing teams. You may not understand it, you may not like it. One day this might all come clear to you. But it is reality.

 

[Wolf]

rumor with the autograph that I read was it was his financial advisor or accountant... I may be wrong but I remember guys at work talking about it ..so I can't back that up with facts on whether I am right or wrong.