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Will Mike Devlin ever be held accountable?
- Thread starter Mangler
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Scooter
Funky
Rick not being here, O'Brien getting an extension, O'Brien's friend promoted to GM is not proof enough? Every member of the staff is Penn St or Patriots or somehow tied to O'Briend.
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That shows that Rick was running the show and was found wanting. It's OB's turn now
Ricky not being here after a 4-12 season should tell you what you need to know. he was running the show. Ricky fired Gaine, do you think BOB wanted to fire Gaine? BOB is now running the show, hence Gaine being brought back in.
Scooter
Funky
What I saw without Romeo told me all I needed to know.
So you think BOB was on board with firing Gaine?
Scooter
Funky
He probably wasn't on board with Gaine leaving for a sideways position that the Bills offered.
So who fired Gaine?
Scooter
Funky
Was he fired? I didn't think he was. I thought he got an offer from the Bills and took it despite being the same position.
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Who let Gaine leave for a lateral position and why would Gaine want to leave for a lateral position if BOB was running the show? Particularly if BOB/Gaine were such great friends?
here's your answers...
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you won't like this answer because it doesn't have the drama queen flavor you seem to like so much
If BOB was in charge Gaine would've stayed. (they were friends)Nbody moves to Buffalo willingly and if being home meant so much to his wife he wouldn't have moved back to Houston. Jimmy Raye was a classic Ricky hire.
Believe what you want. Ricky was re-assigned for a reason (not only his wife) BOB got a contract extension for a reason. Think what you want, we will find out soon enough by draft picks made. I like what they did but would've done things differently and FA which I really didn't like much.
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@McClain_on_NFL: Bill O'Brien will definitely return as coach. Texans expected 2 go outside the organization 4 Rick Smith's replacement. Keep an eye on Brian Gaine, who was fired by Smith after last season and was hired by Buffalo. He's highly respected by O'Brien and others in the organization.
Is this a tweet? I'm just asking, not saying you made it up or anything. I know how wonky it can be (for me anyway) to try and copy/paste tweets
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
And in a podcast interview last mid season (unfortunately since taken down), Chris Meyers stated that it was common knowledge to the players that O'Brien wanted Duane Brown, but Rick Smith purposefully sabotaged the re-signing of Brown, for the sole purpose of trying to get O'Brien fired. This was consistent with statements that Brown made re. really enjoying playing under O'Brien and his coaching staff.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Looks like these guys on Reddit talk about the Myers podcast in this thread below.
Interesting how Myers didn't like O'Brien's coaching and speculated on who's fault the dumbass personnel decisions on offense is (appears the players don't even know)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Texans/comments/71cnzv/chris_myers_on_610_suggested_rsmith_wont_extend/
Chris Myers on 610 Suggested R.Smith Won't Extend Duane to Torpedo Bill O
Chris was on with Cody and Lopez today when I was at lunch and he was talking about how from all reports Rick and Bill do not get a long at all and then said he wouldn't be surprised if Rick not Bill is the one being stubborn about the new contract. After he was gone and presumably said even more off air, the guys were saying its pretty shocking , but they wouldn't be surprised if smith wanted Bill to tank so he could fire him (Rick Smith not being worried about taking blame with himself being essentially un-fireable b/c reasons)
Heard this too on my lunch. Said they'd have the interview on their website later. Meyers made a point of how he didnt like how the scheme and players changed week to week. even after being in the league for 10 years, it took him 4-5 weeks to get accustomed to Bill's scheme and ways of doing things. The other glaring issue brought up was how we let Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks walk, which one we have replacement for, but Brooks over Su'a Filo or Allen would be really nice right now. Rick Smith might be the problem with this organization but unfortunately he's good enough to not be seriously questioned and connected to the McNair family enough that he gets lots of wiggle room. I think time will tell, especially if they part ways with Bill and his trajectory post-Texans. If anything, the **** talent at OLine is his fault.
Interesting how Myers didn't like O'Brien's coaching and speculated on who's fault the dumbass personnel decisions on offense is (appears the players don't even know)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Texans/comments/71cnzv/chris_myers_on_610_suggested_rsmith_wont_extend/
Chris Myers on 610 Suggested R.Smith Won't Extend Duane to Torpedo Bill O
Chris was on with Cody and Lopez today when I was at lunch and he was talking about how from all reports Rick and Bill do not get a long at all and then said he wouldn't be surprised if Rick not Bill is the one being stubborn about the new contract. After he was gone and presumably said even more off air, the guys were saying its pretty shocking , but they wouldn't be surprised if smith wanted Bill to tank so he could fire him (Rick Smith not being worried about taking blame with himself being essentially un-fireable b/c reasons)
Heard this too on my lunch. Said they'd have the interview on their website later. Meyers made a point of how he didnt like how the scheme and players changed week to week. even after being in the league for 10 years, it took him 4-5 weeks to get accustomed to Bill's scheme and ways of doing things. The other glaring issue brought up was how we let Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks walk, which one we have replacement for, but Brooks over Su'a Filo or Allen would be really nice right now. Rick Smith might be the problem with this organization but unfortunately he's good enough to not be seriously questioned and connected to the McNair family enough that he gets lots of wiggle room. I think time will tell, especially if they part ways with Bill and his trajectory post-Texans. If anything, the **** talent at OLine is his fault.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'm really going to give O'Brien the benefit of the doubt....for this season. As far as his tenure with RS, one statement that really stood out to me is when O'Brien said, "I coach the guys I'm given". That's fairly profound when analyzing this situation. It would lead me to think that O'Brien didn't have nearly the amount of say as some would like to think in regards to personnel decisions. Another moment that had me question things...that photo/video of the 2017 NFL Draft when it was announced that Houston had traded up and selected Watson. The only person in the War Room showing any positive emotion, was Smith.....he was damn near ready to break out the "robot dance" moves in celebration while the rest of the room just sat there with stunned looks on their faces. Of course, after the fact.....O'Brien announced he was for this trade all along, which that photo/video would say otherwise. Anyhow, it was a great trade b/c it netted the Texans their "Franchise QB" but it also left the Texans with a poor OL and no RD1/RD2 picks in the 2018 NFL Draft to fix it.
Could RS had planned on sabotaging O'Brien's chances at holding his job beyond 2017? Well, it was RS who demanded O'Brien start Savage over Watson even though O'Brien had recognized what Watson could bring to the team. Did RS think Savage was going to survive behind the OL he'd picked? Maybe he had high hopes that O'Brien would be fired right away, thus allowing him to hire his own guy and then get Watson on the field right away.....maybe even with Brown as well. If there is any chance that this scenario could be the way things went down, then justice was served. RS was finally pushed out. McNair's didn't want to find a replacement for O'Brien and figured it would be easier to get a GM that would work with O'Brien versus against him. Enter Brian Gaine, whom O'Brien might've had a say in with the McNair's.
2018 was RS's final legacy in his "Sabotage O'Brien" plan b/c he also removed both the RD1 and RD2 picks when the OL needed the most attention. I do like how Gaine and O'Brien addressed their first draft together with such limited resources. They'll have 2018 to see how this works out but most importantly, they have a full complement of picks, plus one, for now in 2019. This when the grading pencil comes out.
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Mangler
Toro de España
That picture didn’t say anything. Anyone can take a snap shot at the perfect moment to fit their agenda. When has O’Brien ever been this oh so jolly/cheerful guy? He always has a poker face on which he obviously got from Belichic. O’Brien also revealed that he wanted to start Watson all along but Rick Smith wanted Savage as the starter.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It was the video that was even more telling. I understand a poker face, but no one in that room room showed any emotion except RS. A poker face is no longer required when an agreed upon target has been selected.....hell, let the champagne corks fly.
Now, Watson might've been on their collective boards but it's very possible O'Brien wasn't on board with the trade to get there.....on draft night.
People were reporting on twitter that there was a lot of tension in the room. I don't know if it's because Rick made that pick on his own, but it certainly seems plausible
Mangler
Toro de España
Perhaps. That we will never know...
Texansballer74
The Marine
I'm no Rick fan, but I'm less likely to give OBrien a pass and blame Rick Smith because:
1. Crennel had no problem building great units with Rick (nor did Kubiak and Wade for that matter)
2. A lot of the worst moves were getting rid of guys Rick previously acquired (Brandon Brooks for example) so I doubt he made a lot of those calls
3. O'Brien was billed as a QB guru but couldnt find a good one until Rick allegedly drafted Watson on his own.
4. You can't blame Rick for the QB carousels, although someone tried to blame him for Savage starting over watson
5. You can't blame Rick for bad clock management, conservative playcalling, or running Lamar Miller up the middle repeatedly.
6. Two linemen (Brooks and Myers) have said they don't like his coaching. Granted other players have been supportive.
7. The moves with Gaine on the offensive side have been underwhelming, but the defensive pickups have been good. The OL is still bad, Weeden was brought back, RB wasn't addressed, and they drafted TEs who can't block.
1. Crennel had no problem building great units with Rick (nor did Kubiak and Wade for that matter)
2. A lot of the worst moves were getting rid of guys Rick previously acquired (Brandon Brooks for example) so I doubt he made a lot of those calls
3. O'Brien was billed as a QB guru but couldnt find a good one until Rick allegedly drafted Watson on his own.
4. You can't blame Rick for the QB carousels, although someone tried to blame him for Savage starting over watson
5. You can't blame Rick for bad clock management, conservative playcalling, or running Lamar Miller up the middle repeatedly.
6. Two linemen (Brooks and Myers) have said they don't like his coaching. Granted other players have been supportive.
7. The moves with Gaine on the offensive side have been underwhelming, but the defensive pickups have been good. The OL is still bad, Weeden was brought back, RB wasn't addressed, and they drafted TEs who can't block.
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You make some thougtful points KDog but I do disagree with the criticism of Gaine if it's made after you've taken into consideration that he's had no picks until the the third round of his one and only Draft.
I didn't mean it as a criticism of gaine. I love the defensive moves they made this off-season.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I've tried to dispel this over the years................From my post on the subject just this past Jan:
Then in Feb:
"severe anxiety disorder." - panic attacks, right ? All in your head, but it ain't no joke.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Texans medical staff are made up of members of the Methodist Hospital System and have remained essentially unchanged.
This condition can be the butt of jokes, but if you've ever known someone who has formally carried this diagnosis, you know that it can totally paralyze some to the point that it is terribly debilitating to everyday existence. Once serious medical conditions are ruled out, diagnosis is not all that difficult. And once the diagnosis is established, proper behaviorial and medicinal therapies must be instituted in order to treat the condition.
In Brook's case, he was diagnosed with the primary condition being gastrointestinal dysfunction with resultant ulcers............where, in fact, his primary undiagnosed condition was panic disorder with resultant gastrointestinal disfunction.
For anyone interested, here is an excellent understandable review of PANIC DISORDER.
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