Why Texans fans should not be worried about the upcoming season

[ObsiWan]

I care. I want a Super Bowl. No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two teams.

You can talk all about how great a coach someone is but at its heart, the strategy you're talking about has never worked. Everyone thinks "Oh, this guy won a SB. He must be a great coach. If we get him, we're that much closer to a SB ourselves." The problem is, that it's just not true.

1. Vince Lombardi - Finished with the Redskins, 1 not so great year
2. Hank Stram - Went on to 2 bad seasons with the Saints
3. Don McCafferty - Went to the Lions and finished 6-7-1
4. Tom Flores - Went on to 3 bad years with the Seahawks after winning 2 SBs with the Raiders
5. Mike Ditka - Went on to 3 bad years with the Saints
6. Bill Parcells - Took the Pats to the SB but lost, took the Jets to the AFC Championship, and the Cowboys to the playoffs
7. George Seifert - 3 not so great years with the Panthers
8. Jimmy Johnson - A few playoff appearances with the Dolphins
9. Mike Holmgren - 10 years at the Seahawks and made it to the SB once but it took a long time
10. Dick Vermeil - Some good years with the Chiefs

I don't want Gruden and I don't want Cowher and I don't want Dungy. I think they've got fail written all over them. If we're going to switch coaches (which I think is a huge mistake), then I want either:
1. some great coordinator/assistant coach who's a rookie HC and I want to give him a few years to get everything together or
2. a coach who got to a SB with another team and lost or
3. a coach who built a powerful team but didn't make it to the SB

Because THOSE are the coaches that win SBs. Not retreads.

I like how you think.
"Must Spread Rep"


and when you think about it, is there ANYONE who won Super Bowls with two different teams? If there is, I'll bet it's a real short list.

 

[ObsiWan]

???? Who cares..(how many superbowls did the Saints or Cardinals play in before the last few years..I don't care about that) Hell how many coaches have won a SB period? It doesn't happen that often which is the reason why you don't have coaches bouncing around and winning them for other teams..a good coach is a good coach. Teams don't tend to let go of coaches who win SBs and Jon Gruden has a good track record with every team he's been at and is still young and hungry. Plus he fits most of our personel...it's a no brainer. Why blow up what's working with this team. Gruden would allow us to keep the good things about our team together while instilling attitude to the other parts that are slacking.

Yeah, just be prepared to have 15 QBs on the roster instead of 7 TEs.

 

[bckey]

It urks me terribly when I think that it should have been us, if the Colts & Bengals hadn't laid down during the last two weeks of the season.

I know you already know this but the Texans blew their season with the 4 division losses in a row to go along with an easy schedule. Throw in that the Patriots didn't need the final game. They didn't lay down like Indy and Cincy but they also didn't play their best game like they would have if it meant win or go home. So you really can't say it should have been us imho. The Texans got exactly what they deserved, an early offseason.

 

[ObsiWan]

Perfect!!

"must spread rep"
dammit!

 

[ObsiWan]

I know you already know this but the Texans blew their season with the 4 division losses in a row to go along with an easy schedule. Throw in that the Patriots didn't need the final game. They didn't lay down like Indy and Cincy but they also didn't play their best game like they would have if it meant win or go home. So you really can't say it should have been us imho. The Texans got exactly what they deserved, an early offseason.

Yeah, it is ESPECIALLY URKSOME to think we lost 7 games and all but two were in the division. I'm a card-carrying Sunshine Clubber and that still pisses me off.

 

[JCTexan]

Are you a politician or what......

That's like saying..

I never once said "someone" would be fired if they didn't pass the drug test"......I said "If someone is fired at the end of the quarterly drug test, it means they didn't pass the random drug test."

Sorry, but what are you talking about? You insinuated that unless Kubiak makes the playoffs he's gone (BTW, I agree with that) and then got onto someone for thinking that's what you said.

No, I'm not a politician. I don't even believe with what you think I said. I don't believe Kubiak is fired no matter what if Houston doesn't make the playoffs. I believe if he's fired it means that Houston wasn't in the playoffs. Do you think there is any chance that Mcnair would fire Kubiak if Houston made the playoffs for the first time?

The Jets were not 9-7 last year. They were 11-8 and just one good half away from being in the Super Bowl with a rookie QB and a rookie head coach. They also had lots of turnover on their roster and added players in the middle of the season to improve. The Jets won two road playoff games and you can't diminish that fact. That is quality football and something we would be very proud of.

i know its an inconvenient truth, but it doesnt take 3+ years for a new head coach to turn things around.

All it takes is a good coach who can inspire his players and an organization that is committed to winning a championship. The organization claims it is committed, but they need to show us that and not just say it.

To act like hiring Cowher after a bad season is going to set us back as an organization is crazy talk. I hope it doesn't happen, because that will mean we had a disappointing season, but if we do have a disappointing season, we need to change things because 5 years is enough time. If 5 years isn't enough, when is it enough? I don't think its out of line or 'hating' to want to see some things change if what is going on isn't working.

I think Cowher would do an excellent job here in Houston. I personally like his tough mentality. I just think changing the image of the team from a finesse team to a tough one would take at least year two of the new regime to make the playoffs, which would be three years down the line. I don't want to have to wait three years when I expect them to make the playoffs this year.

Sorry, I disagree. Saying that Kubiak will be fired if we don't make it to playoffs is COMPLETELY different than saying if Kubiak makes playoffs he won't be fired, which is what JC said (although, in a different wording).

Exactly. I've been confused with their interpretation of what I said.

 

[Norg]

I like keeping the same coach for a long time well this coach

Look at what Jack del rio jags did to us last year beat us twice

I wonder why the jags have never pulled the plug on Jack or Jeff fisher ?????

 

[The Pencil Neck]

I like how you think.
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and when you think about it, is there ANYONE who won Super Bowls with two different teams? If there is, I'll bet it's a real short list.

My list was everyone who had won a Super Bowl and then gone on to another team.

So.

No. No one has won a SB with two different teams.