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Why not QB?

Dean1818 said:
Dont you think that you should have ONE QB that is on the roster that has a decent shot to develop into a franchise QB?
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I think Mallett is that guy. In the glimpse of what we saw of him last year, he looked poised and ready to play. His throws looked good, his decisions looked good, he's tall and he has a big arm.

Unfortunately he caught a bad break and injured himself and had a horrible second start where he looked like a completely different player. We all know now why that was.

I think Mallett can do good things provided he can stay on the field. I think Mallett wins the starting job convincingly and has a solid season.
 
thunderkyss said:
Even then our terrible season aligned itself perfectly to get any of them. We can take Bortles off the list, but we passed on Car Twice, Garapolo twice, & Bridgewater was definitely in our grasp.
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I agree that bypassing Carr because of his brother's history here would have been a mistake, but I don't believe he had dropped to us at any point. But the fan base and this board would have had conniption fits had they drafted Carr.
 
Vance87 said:
Why oh why, if the Texans knew the future, did they do nothing to change it? AHGH! :overreact:
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Future? How about right then? Everyone in the world knew Fitz was not a long term solution at QB - if his talent didn't tell you that, his 2 year contract did. And behind him was a guy who didn't make the team.
 
infantrycak said:
Future? How about right then? Everyone in the world knew Fitz was not a long term solution at QB - if his talent didn't tell you that, his 2 year contract did. And behind him was a guy who didn't make the team.
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And if OB didn't think that Bridgewater, Carr or whoever was the guy that could run his offense, should he have taken them anyway? That sounds like what you are saying
 
JB said:
And if OB didn't think that Bridgewater, Carr or whoever was the guy that could run his offense, should he have taken them anyway? That sounds like what you are saying
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Fitz couldn't either.

:kitten:
 
JB said:
And if OB didn't think that Bridgewater, Carr or whoever was the guy that could run his offense, should he have taken them anyway? That sounds like what you are saying
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Depends. I said at the time I was fine if OB passed on one draft if "his" guy wasn't there but that no later than year 2 he had to take a swing at a guy. I thought Mallett was his swing. In light of what's happened this offseason I still have high hopes for Mallett but it doesn't appear Mallett is his guy. Instead it appears Mallett/Hoyer is his maybe good enough guy. If that's his attitude then I think he is making a mistake passing on all these QBs and Foles. As someone said, for good or bad Kubiak viewed Schaub as his guy and acted decisively to get him and ran with it. I'm not seeing it from OB. I hope Mallett makes it an unknowable/doesn't matter. If he doesn't then I think OB screwed up.
 
infantrycak said:
Depends. I said at the time I was fine if OB passed on one draft if "his" guy wasn't there but that no later than year 2 he had to take a swing at a guy. I thought Mallett was his swing. In light of what's happened this offseason I still have high hopes for Mallett but it doesn't appear Mallett is his guy. Instead it appears Mallett/Hoyer is his maybe good enough guy. If that's his attitude then I think he is making a mistake passing on all these QBs and Foles. As someone said, for good or bad Kubiak viewed Schaub as his guy and acted decisively to get him and ran with it. I'm not seeing it from OB. I hope Mallett makes it an unknowable/doesn't matter. If he doesn't then I think OB screwed up.
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ok gotcha.

On a tangent, thinking about Braddock's theorizing about maybe Mallett is just a chess piece, what if it's Hoyer that is the chess piece to move up to select Mariota? Let Mallett start this year while Mariota learns the system? It's really all conjecture until the draft and we see what happens. Maybe we roll with just Mallett/Hoyer this year. In that case you're totally correct and one of them better be the right guy or OB will look like an idjit
 
JB said:
Maybe we roll with just Mallett/Hoyer this year. In that case you're totally correct and one of them better be the right guy or OB will look like an idjit
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I agree with the sentiment, but it's not exactly a zero sum game with Mallett/Hoyer vs Drafting high in 2014/5. The third part of the puzzle (and perhap most likely) is that M/H doesn't work out, but nor do any of the draftable 14/15 prospects. In that case it's a little unfair to call BOB an idiot, when there was no viable solution.
 
infantrycak said:
Future? How about right then? Everyone in the world knew Fitz was not a long term solution at QB - if his talent didn't tell you that, his 2 year contract did. And behind him was a guy who didn't make the team.
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Your argument is hinging on the fact that the Texans should have known that the Vikings would take Bridgewater a pick before them, therefore they should have traded up to get him, because apparently they SHOULD KNOW THE FUTURE
 
Vance87 said:
Your argument is hinging on the fact that the Texans should have known that the Vikings would take Bridgewater a pick before them, therefore they should have traded up to get him, because apparently they SHOULD KNOW THE FUTURE
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Rumor has it that Seattle called them to see if the Texans wanted to make the deal instead. Don't know if true, but as an orginization, you can't sit there pretty and expect things to come your way knowing that other teams are just as hungry for a qb as you are.
 
santo said:
Rumor has it that Seattle called them to see if the Texans wanted to make the deal instead. Don't know if true, but as an orginization, you can't sit there pretty and expect things to come your way knowing that other teams are just as hungry for a qb as you are.
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Too many variables that we'll never know. Rumors and speculation and crystal balls. By the way, Bridgewater can totally suck, and Mallet can totally be awesome. Or it can be the opposite. Also, just in case anyone forgot, we DID draft a QB last year, and by all accounts it was OB's hand-picked guy. What's his future? Did I mention no one has figured out a way to tell?
 
markn said:
I agree with the sentiment, but it's not exactly a zero sum game with Mallett/Hoyer vs Drafting high in 2014/5. The third part of the puzzle (and perhap most likely) is that M/H doesn't work out, but nor do any of the draftable 14/15 prospects. In that case it's a little unfair to call BOB an idiot, when there was no viable solution.
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Agreed, but if one of the draftees do pan out and OB made no effort AND Mallett/Hoyer don't get it done, then OB will look very bad. Probably unfair to call him an idjit still but foolish to say the least.

And his plan may be to just try to make it through and hope Hackenberg falls to him next year, but to me that would be very foolish indeed
 
Vance87 said:
Your argument is hinging on the fact that the Texans should have known that the Vikings would take Bridgewater a pick before them, therefore they should have traded up to get him, because apparently they SHOULD KNOW THE FUTURE
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Given this "not knowing the future" kick you are on, why scout at all? Just pull names out of hat on draft day. There is no way to know the future of any of these guys anyway, right?
 
Runner said:
Given this "not knowing the future" kick you are on, why scout at all? Just pull names out of hat on draft day. There is no way to know the future of any of these guys anyway, right?
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He's talking about where he was drafted not how he turned out. Pay attention.
 
mussop said:
He's talking about where he was drafted not how he turned out. Pay attention.
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And it's silly to act like it took Carnac the Magnificent to see we could have traded up or that we likely would have to. It was all over the TV/internet about who might jump in front of us since everyone in the world knew we needed a QB. Every QB interested team other than Jax, Oakland and Cleveland was in the discussion as TB fell.

When we thought we might get beat on a player we wanted, what did we do? - moved up for Nix.

We passed. It's that simple.
 
mussop said:
He's talking about where he was drafted not how he turned out. Pay attention.
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And right here he is talking about a player's future that is impossible to predict. Maybe you should pay attention.

Vance87 said:
Too many variables that we'll never know. Rumors and speculation and crystal balls. By the way, Bridgewater can totally suck, and Mallet can totally be awesome. Or it can be the opposite. Also, just in case anyone forgot, we DID draft a QB last year, and by all accounts it was OB's hand-picked guy. What's his future? Did I mention no one has figured out a way to tell?
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And before you try to get all word-choppy and "get me" by saying I didn't quote that post,

Runner said:
Given this "not knowing the future" kick you are on...
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implies multiple posts.
 
santo said:
Rumor has it that Seattle called them to see if the Texans wanted to make the deal instead. Don't know if true, but as an orginization, you can't sit there pretty and expect things to come your way knowing that other teams are just as hungry for a qb as you are.
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My little girl gets like this. When she wants to be mad, she's mad and there's no reasoning with her.
 
powda said:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-bridgwater-after-trade-with-seattle-seahawks

Wouldve cost a lot to move up one spot.
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So theoretically, if the Texans give up their second and fourth they get Bridewater for Su'a-Filo and Savage.

If they make that trade they don't need Savage. Su'a-Filo? How is that working out?

Many claim Bridgewater is the best quarterback of that draft and has a bright future. The cost doesn't seem that high to me for a franchise quarterback.
 
thunderkyss said:
Absolutely & I'm pretty particular as to what I want my QB to look like. Phillip Rivers. & both Mallett & Savage look more like Rivers than Mariota.

I'd be happy with Winston... but not so much that I'd pay what it would cost to move up to get him. Two firsts & Hoyer... I might do that. Winston looks like he could be the next Rivers/Stafford.
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You don't want that guy. He's going to rape somebody and have his football career terminated by Uncle Bud.
 
Runner said:
So theoretically, if the Texans give up their second and fourth they get Bridewater for Su'a-Filo and Savage.

If they make that trade they don't need Savage. Su'a-Filo? How is that working out?

Many claim Bridgewater is the best quarterback of that draft and has a bright future. The cost doesn't seem that high to me for a franchise quarterback.
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That is the leap of faith to believe the best of that draft equates to elite.
 
Runner said:
So theoretically, if the Texans give up their second and fourth they get Bridewater for Su'a-Filo and Savage.

If they make that trade they don't need Savage. Su'a-Filo? How is that working out?

Many claim Bridgewater is the best quarterback of that draft and has a bright future. The cost doesn't seem that high to me for a franchise quarterback.
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The Vikings gave up a second and 4th to move up 8 spots... I don't think it would have cost us that much to move up 1

:dammitall:
 
Marshall said:
That is the leap of faith to believe the best of that draft equates to elite.
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I didn't say elite. I said franchise - a much smaller leap of faith. I thought the common usage of that term here was different than elite. A franchise guy isn't elite, but he's good enough that the team isn't in constant search of better quarterback play.

I think we need a board glossary.

As far as "leap of faith", of course there is risk. No risk, no reward though, and Bridgewater looked like a reasonable risk at that spot.
 
JB said:
The Vikings gave up a second and 4th to move up 8 spots... I don't think it would have cost us that much to move up 1

:dammitall:
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I know, but I didn't want to get into that argument. Just consider this the worst case scenario.
 
Runner said:
I didn't say elite. I said franchise. I thought the common usage of that term here was different than elite. A franchise guy isn't elite, but he's good enough that the team isn't in constant search of better quarterback play.

I think we need a board glossary.
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There is a board dictionary right? Perhaps a thesauraus is needed... nah, you're right
 
Runner said:
Many claim Bridgewater is the best quarterback of that draft and has a bright future. The cost doesn't seem that high to me for a franchise quarterback.
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Obviously, the traded resources wouldve been different had the Texans moved up. I dont think a 5 is accurate.

Calling TB a franchise qb then as well as now is still speculation. We had an opportunity at every qb in that draft. I dont think OB was enthralled with any of them. When did the Mallett rumors first begin? Pre-draft? I think that's who OB wanted all along when weighing him against the draft class.

infantrycak said:
We passed. It's that simple.
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I think it is that simple. OB just didnt want him. People are holding the Texans accountable for being leapfrogged by miny and we didnt like him to start with.
 
Runner said:
I didn't say elite. I said franchise - a much smaller leap of faith. I thought the common usage of that term here was different than elite. A franchise guy isn't elite, but he's good enough that the team isn't in constant search of better quarterback play.

I think we need a board glossary.

As far as "leap of faith", of course there is risk. No risk, no reward though, and Bridgewater looked like a reasonable risk at that spot.
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Why, nobody would agree with the definitions.
 
powda said:
Obviously, the traded resources wouldve been different had the Texans moved up. I dont think a 5 is accurate.

Calling TB a franchise qb then as well as now is still speculation. We had an opportunity at every qb in that draft. I dont think OB was enthralled with any of them. When did the Mallett rumors first begin? Pre-draft? I think that's who OB wanted all along when weighing him against the draft class.
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Of course it is speculation, based on what we've seen. It is less speculative than claiming there wasn't a high level quarterback in the draft last year or this year. That's just spin to "prove" the Texans don't make mistakes.

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And O'Brien is so enthralled with Mallett he picked up Hoyer. Viewed as a whole, the picture is a little disjointed.
 
infantrycak said:
Sorry, my bad. Misread their spot.

So they traded 578 pts by the chart for the 32nd pick.

That would have been our 33rd pick 580 pts plus a wafer thin mint to outbid them.
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yeah pretty much... they may have held out for a box of
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tho
 
infantrycak said:
Depends. I said at the time I was fine if OB passed on one draft if "his" guy wasn't there but that no later than year 2 he had to take a swing at a guy. I thought Mallett was his swing. In light of what's happened this offseason I still have high hopes for Mallett but it doesn't appear Mallett is his guy. Instead it appears Mallett/Hoyer is his maybe good enough guy. If that's his attitude then I think he is making a mistake passing on all these QBs and Foles. As someone said, for good or bad Kubiak viewed Schaub as his guy and acted decisively to get him and ran with it. I'm not seeing it from OB. I hope Mallett makes it an unknowable/doesn't matter. If he doesn't then I think OB screwed up.
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I completely understand what you're saying. I feel the same way, except I'm giving him 'till year three to name his QB.
 
thunderkyss said:
I completely understand what you're saying. I feel the same way, except I'm giving him 'till year three to name his QB.
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O'Brien has a 5 year contract. Not a lifetime contract. He needs to figure out this QB thing pretty quick.
 
Vance87 said:
Your argument is hinging on the fact that the Texans should have known that the Vikings would take Bridgewater a pick before them, therefore they should have traded up to get him, because apparently they SHOULD KNOW THE FUTURE
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If you valued the prospect that was Teddy Bridgewater you should have known he wouldn't make it to 33. It's not about knowing the future it's about going to get what you want. We know at least the Seahawks were open to a trade & we know thet weren't asking for a lot. We either Didn't inquire or weren't willing to pay the price. Either way it means we weren't interested.

Possibly because they undervalue the position like 'cak suggests.
 
thunderkyss said:
If you valued the prospect that was Teddy Bridgewater you should have known he wouldn't make it to 33. It's not about knowing the future it's about going to get what you want. We know at least the Seahawks were open to a trade & we know thet weren't asking for a lot. We either Didn't inquire or weren't willing to pay the price. Either way it means we weren't interested.

Possibly because they undervalue the position like 'cak suggests.
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He made it to 32, so how was it known that he wouldn't make it to 33? It was known that it was highly unlikely Seattle would take him
 
Double Barrel said:
"Great" from your perspective. Not much of a "rivalry" from our perspective.

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You guys almost always play us to the wire

It's a rivalry


I live in Texas...... Hate the Cowboys......

I love my Colts .... But root for the Texans, when they aren't playing the Colts
 
Playoffs said:
Week, Dean, if it is prudently plausible I'm sure they'll consider it.

Are the Colts going to get some more OL help for Andrew in the first, or do you think they'll go defense?
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We need DL help in a bad way......

I think we will be better on the OL with the RG we got in FA, and our RT not being injured
 
Runner said:
And O'Brien is so enthralled with Mallett he picked up Hoyer. Viewed as a whole, the picture is a little disjointed.
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Why so disjointed? Hoyer's Fitzpatrick without the beard.
 
Vance87 said:
. Also, just in case anyone forgot, we DID draft a QB last year, and by all accounts it was OB's hand-picked guy. What's his future? Did I mention no one has figured out a way to tell?
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I believe most of us are aware of this scenario as well. However we signed Mallett for two years, we signed Hoyer for three... it's going to take some incredibly bad luck for him to ever see the field.

If he doesn't earn the backup spot next season, & the stack is dealt against him, then it's like we didn't draft a QB or any productive player at all. Like we didn't even use it.
 
JB said:
He made it to 32, so how was it known that he wouldn't make it to 33? It was known that it was highly unlikely Seattle would take him
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It was all over any type of discussion about the draft that if Bridgewater was wanted they would have to move in front of us. If we were interested we would have had calls/deals in place to beat that.
 
infantrycak said:
It was all over any type of discussion about the draft that if Bridgewater was wanted they would have to move in front of us. If we were interested we would have had calls/deals in place to beat that.
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That's true, if they wanted Bridgewater then they should have put out word that they would beat any other offer. Do we know if that was the case or not? If not, I'm presuming that they didn't think that highly of him
 
thunderkyss said:
Possibly because they undervalue the position like 'cak suggests.
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That's a possibility or maybe they just didnt value any of the qb's highly enough to blow their load. How often do we see new coaching regimes commit to a qb right off the bat only to see him flop ,and in turn the regime is out of a job? I wonder if OB is just trying to be a bit more disciplined before declaring the resources necessary to acquire the right qb?

Going to a club and taking home the prettiest girl doesn't always mean she's pretty. The club might've been filled with ugly girls.
 
Lucky said:
O'Brien has a 5 year contract. Not a lifetime contract. He needs to figure out this QB thing pretty quick.
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He needs to win. I couldn't care less about the QB situation if we are winning. & if he thinks we can win with Hoyer, he better win.
 
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