Been reading a lot of articles about this and that team leaving or trying to leave. Sometimes at the bottom of the story it seems a lot of people are pointing fingers at Austin but not really giving consitent explanations. The articles themselves don't dive into the cause either, bad journalist in my opinion. So I ask what is going on with the Big 12.
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Why is the Big 12 breaking up or in trouble?
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FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
I'd say the key factor is Greed... now who is the greediest? I'll leave that to those who profess to be experts... which seems to differ according to what team they support 
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
If the conference had started a Big 12 network a couple years ago, the Big 12 would be fine. But they didn't do that and instead let the third tier rights go to waste, thus other conferences looked more attractive monetary wise. I think that's the basic premise of the issue, but after Texas made the LHN, that killed any hopes of a conference network in which all member schools benefit. That's why I think people blame UT in this mess, because the LHN was more important than the Big 12.
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Ckw
Guest
Tradition =
Very very sad it had to come to this. I have tried to be as objective as possible about this subject and have tried to do more reading than talking about it, and I am with Dutch. Texas cared more about themselves than they cared about the Big 12. They are perfectly content going the way of Notre Dame and becoming an independent.
So yes, I blame Texas for this mess, but I also don't think there are many schools that would have turned down the deal Texas was given. Are they the culprits? Yes. But is it hypocritical to "hate" on them all the while knowing most schools would have done the same thing? Yes.
Thanks Dutch, that makes a lot of sense. I never thought of the big 12 network angle.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
heard the big 12 referred to as texas +8. dont have a link but heard that OU and OSU have had conversations with pac 12. either the big 12 or big east will be blown up within the next few years.
Doppelganger
None
Everyone has some blame in this. The problem is nobody wants to man up and take responsibility. Texas deserves some blame with the TV deal. A&M deserves some blame for not taking the TV deal that Texas offered a few years ago. The Big XII commish deserves blame for not putting in a Conference TV deal 2 years ago.
At the end of the day, the Big XII has no real history as a conference like the SEC or Pac 10.
I predict Oklahoma, Texas, OSU, and Tech head to the Pac 16, Mizzou joins A&M in the SEC and the rest are SOL.
At the end of the day, the Big XII has no real history as a conference like the SEC or Pac 10.
I predict Oklahoma, Texas, OSU, and Tech head to the Pac 16, Mizzou joins A&M in the SEC and the rest are SOL.
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Ckw
Guest
The TV "deal" Texas offered A&M a few years ago was crap and was nothing like what the Longhorn Network has turned out to be. Everyone acts like A&M got offered this amazing deal and like the fools Aggies are they turned it down. Untrue. The deal was crap and required far too much money up front for A&M to bite.
If Texas had come to A&M, or better yet the entire Big XII, when ESPN got involved, then the conference could have been saved. But Texas did what Texas, and most other schools, does best and that was look out for themselves. So A&M did the same thing and looked out for themselves.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
In all Fairness, we have no idea what the details of the offer was. We know they approached A&M to discuss it, but that's about it. In any case, whats the incentive of a Texas network? All it does is tie up
The schools tier 3 rights for X years. If A&M had taken that deal they wouldn't be allowed to enter the SEC, and they would be joined at the hip with UT. F that. They prefer money over a stable conference, and OU and Neb aren't going to stand for that. A conference network means all members get the revenue, not just the big dogs, which is what happened here. OU could start their own network, but I think they would rather join the PAC or SEC.
BattleRedToro
Thread Killer
Dan Beebe deserves most of the blame and the rest of the blame is shared by all the schools except Nebraska. Nebraska got tired of everyone voting with Texas. For instance, when they voted on permanently moving the championship game to Dallas, Nebraska was the lone dissenting vote. So when Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor are left out of the super conferences they can blame themselves for not voting with Nebraska more often.
Stemp
Brew Master
Nebraska voted FOR the unequal revenue distribution though. So they aren't entirely blameless.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Wtf? How does that give any blame to A&M for not taking a deal to create a network? That has absolutely nothing to do with the demise of the conference, maybe it could have kept the rivalry from dying but that's it.
Once UT decided to take its third tier rights and broadcast it by themselves, they set UT apart from the rest of the conference. There's no way for the other schools to go out and negotiate a 9 school partial conference TV deal when the biggest dog isn't included. Look at how much revenue the Big 10, SEC and PAC get with their contracts including their networks. It's a ridiculous amount of money compared to the Big 12 and they all share it.
Obviously Auburn, Bama and LSU could have made their own networks and left the smaller schools out, but they didn't and unquestionably made the conference stronger and more profitable doing so. Now they are all in it together, whereas the Big 12 hasn't had that sort of comradery since they set up unequal revenue sharing. The schools always have been in it for themselves, and once a better offer comes along, they are willing to jump ship. That's why Nebraska and CU left, they got better deals, and that's why A&M is leaving too, because they know the SEC will be much more profitable than the Big 12 ever could be.
texanhead08
All Pro
1. No revenue sharing
2. The split of tv revenue where UT, A$M, OU got the biggest chunk of the pie.
3. LHN instead of a Big XII network.
2. The split of tv revenue where UT, A$M, OU got the biggest chunk of the pie.
3. LHN instead of a Big XII network.
c10x
Waterboy
A&M, Nebraska, and OU complaining about unequal revenue sharing is hilarious. ALL the big schools voted for it, because they ALL were looking out for themselves over the likes of Iowa State and Baylor.
Last summer, when the realignment talk was happening, and Nebraska and Colorado left, OU and Texas relinquished their share of the exit fees for both schools. You know who demanded ALL of it to stay in the conference? A&M. So I don't want to hear about how Texas is greedy and that's why the conference is breaking up. Texas and OU were actually both willing to share that money, but A&M tried to force a power play (because their athletic department was in the red, lol). Ofcourse all of the small schools just said ok because it was better to lose the money and stay in a conference with Texas, OU and A&M than to go join the MWC or WAC.
Nebraska left because it got tired of being pushed around by Texas. That is actually a decade old complaint because Texas required raising academic requirements of student athletes, and all of a sudden Nebraska couldn't recruit dumb juco mercenaries to come in, dominate football, and not go to class. Nebraska becoming a nobody right when the formation of the big12 happened is not a fluke. It took them over a decade to compete, and the entire time they did nothing but hate Texas because of it. Combine that with a horrible record vs Texas, and crazy jealousy regarding the big 12 championship game a couple years back, and Tom Osborne decided to run scared.
Colorado decided that it didn't fit the culture of the big 12, and acted pre-eminently regarding realignment. The fans may think otherwise, but the school chancellors weren't just trying to escape Texas. They just saw realignment coming, and didn't want to be in the position that Kansas and Kansas State are now in; not having a seat at the table.
Now, for A&M leaving. This is where the spin starts getting really good. A&M, their homers, and joe schmoe who hears their friend say it, or hears that hack Richard Justice write about it- they would have you believe that "Texas chose money, over the stability of the conference" or something to that effect. That is spin, pure and simple. Yes, A&M is pissed about the LHN. But what are they actually pissed about- it's certainly not unequal income. They voted for that and worked the system in their favor only a year ago. What they are actually mad about is that they are a lesser program than Texas and everyone knows it. Their inferiority complex is so strong that they couldn't stand all of the attention Texas was getting, so they are going to a conference that gets more national exposure. The LHN is only the straw that broke the camels back because that's where it really sunk in that nobody cares about A&M nationally. They come off as a weird, wanna be military cult full of awkward traditions like nut holding and prancing around with swords- and the entire country knows it. Lucky for them they have their best team in 15 years and have fooled the CFB pundits that they can be a national power. Nevermind that A&M hasn't had a convincingly strong winning era in the last 30 years that wasn't immediately followed by ncaa infractions and probation. So they are riding 1 good season to an SEC invite (and don't tell them that the SEC is really just offering them to try and lure the real prize, Texas in; that one really stings). The funny part in all this is that this is precisely when A&M should stay in the big12, create some momentum, and build a brand. But instead, they are letting their inferiority get the best of them, run from Texas, join the SEC, where even their best team in 15 years is still a 4-5 loss team in the SEC. Congratulations aggies, you are getting what you want. Another 30 years of football irrelevance. It's not like history has shown what happens when this is done (*cough*, Arkansas, *cough*).
So yeah, Texas is completely to blame for this. It's all their fault that they are the #2 most valuable University in the country, and #1 within a conference. It's all their fault that Texas got an offer that no school in the country would pass up, and then accepted it (because it was within the rules of what member institutions of their own conference voted on and agreed upon). If you really want to place blame- place blame at the feet of those who didn't have the foresight to see that Texas is/was simply in better position to reap the benefits of unequal revenue sharing.
Last summer, when the realignment talk was happening, and Nebraska and Colorado left, OU and Texas relinquished their share of the exit fees for both schools. You know who demanded ALL of it to stay in the conference? A&M. So I don't want to hear about how Texas is greedy and that's why the conference is breaking up. Texas and OU were actually both willing to share that money, but A&M tried to force a power play (because their athletic department was in the red, lol). Ofcourse all of the small schools just said ok because it was better to lose the money and stay in a conference with Texas, OU and A&M than to go join the MWC or WAC.
Nebraska left because it got tired of being pushed around by Texas. That is actually a decade old complaint because Texas required raising academic requirements of student athletes, and all of a sudden Nebraska couldn't recruit dumb juco mercenaries to come in, dominate football, and not go to class. Nebraska becoming a nobody right when the formation of the big12 happened is not a fluke. It took them over a decade to compete, and the entire time they did nothing but hate Texas because of it. Combine that with a horrible record vs Texas, and crazy jealousy regarding the big 12 championship game a couple years back, and Tom Osborne decided to run scared.
Colorado decided that it didn't fit the culture of the big 12, and acted pre-eminently regarding realignment. The fans may think otherwise, but the school chancellors weren't just trying to escape Texas. They just saw realignment coming, and didn't want to be in the position that Kansas and Kansas State are now in; not having a seat at the table.
Now, for A&M leaving. This is where the spin starts getting really good. A&M, their homers, and joe schmoe who hears their friend say it, or hears that hack Richard Justice write about it- they would have you believe that "Texas chose money, over the stability of the conference" or something to that effect. That is spin, pure and simple. Yes, A&M is pissed about the LHN. But what are they actually pissed about- it's certainly not unequal income. They voted for that and worked the system in their favor only a year ago. What they are actually mad about is that they are a lesser program than Texas and everyone knows it. Their inferiority complex is so strong that they couldn't stand all of the attention Texas was getting, so they are going to a conference that gets more national exposure. The LHN is only the straw that broke the camels back because that's where it really sunk in that nobody cares about A&M nationally. They come off as a weird, wanna be military cult full of awkward traditions like nut holding and prancing around with swords- and the entire country knows it. Lucky for them they have their best team in 15 years and have fooled the CFB pundits that they can be a national power. Nevermind that A&M hasn't had a convincingly strong winning era in the last 30 years that wasn't immediately followed by ncaa infractions and probation. So they are riding 1 good season to an SEC invite (and don't tell them that the SEC is really just offering them to try and lure the real prize, Texas in; that one really stings). The funny part in all this is that this is precisely when A&M should stay in the big12, create some momentum, and build a brand. But instead, they are letting their inferiority get the best of them, run from Texas, join the SEC, where even their best team in 15 years is still a 4-5 loss team in the SEC. Congratulations aggies, you are getting what you want. Another 30 years of football irrelevance. It's not like history has shown what happens when this is done (*cough*, Arkansas, *cough*).
So yeah, Texas is completely to blame for this. It's all their fault that they are the #2 most valuable University in the country, and #1 within a conference. It's all their fault that Texas got an offer that no school in the country would pass up, and then accepted it (because it was within the rules of what member institutions of their own conference voted on and agreed upon). If you really want to place blame- place blame at the feet of those who didn't have the foresight to see that Texas is/was simply in better position to reap the benefits of unequal revenue sharing.
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Ckw
Guest
Thanks for the dumb post. It was only a matter of time before arrogant t-sip brought up inferior Aggie. The only thing good about your posts is your avatar.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
That was decided long ago when the Big 12 was formed, and really has little to do with the current breakup. CU certainly wasn't getting anything out of that deal though, and given that they will make about ~18-20 mill a year in the Pac 12, there's no way they turn down that offer. Nebraska on the other hand was only getting ~14 mill a year most recently, but will be making 20-25 mill a year in the Big 10. So again, an upgrade in income because the Big 12 wasn't doing enough to generate revenue. But that's really nothing new, it has been like that since the conference was formed, so I don't think that was the deciding factor.
I agree the demand for exit fees is greedy, no debating that. The problem with what you're saying is that you seem to claim that has something to do with the conference breakup. Please tell me what school this exit fee demand has driven away from the conference? If nothing else, it seems as though A&M demanded that money to offset their exit fees, which they knew they would be paying in the future.
On a side note, do you have a citation for the exit fee cash being paid in 2010? (I thought it was to be paid in 2011) If not, your assertion that they are losing money that year is incorrect:
The Numbers:
2010 A&M Athletic Department Budget
Revenues $66,839,400
Expenses $60,337,063
Income $6,502.337
Operating Income less Debt $33,890
http://www.kbtx.com/sports/headlines/50904862.html
Again, citation needed. I can only assume this is a common red herring going around the UT messageboards, but if your assertion is that the Big 12 raised academic standards too high for Nebraska to compete, then it would only be the biggest blunder in the history of NU to join the Big 10, which is regarded as the best conference academically speaking. Then again, that's just a logical assumption...
The conference championship being moved to Dallas is an interesting issue. It only makes sense for each conference to have a specific place for their championship games. Choosing the largest city with the greatest stadium around the conference only makes sense to me, if NU thought there was a better venue in the Big 12, then they are fooling themselves. I really think this is a specious argument at best, as the Big 10 championship will be in Indiana for the next 5 years. It's not really that much further from Omaha than Dallas is.
Totally agree with this. I don't blame CU at all, as I think they were scared UT, A&M, Tech, OU and OKST could take up the 5 spots in the Pac last year. Either way, they are still in a better position than that would be in the Big 12, which is good for them.
Blah blah blah, Texas got a great deal. We know that. But here's something interesting to consider:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-13/sports/chi-100514-big-ten-expansion-greenstein_1_btn-big-ten-network-tv-executive
So the Big 10, without Nebraska, got 7-8 million a year for all its schools. That's a great deal, and I can only imagine that a Big 12 network deal would do just as well, if not better. Get 8 million more a year in a Big 12 network deal, and every school is making 18+ million a year, 22ish for the big schools. That's enough to keep CU from leaving, and probably Nebraska too. But nooooooo, Texas wanted its own network, and has for years, which is why B12 TV never happened. So don't try to sell me on this "Texas did what's best for them" crap, Dodds has been planning this for years, which is why the Big 12 never made it against the rules for schools to make their own networks (Unlike the Big10, PAC, SEC and ACC).
Also, you really don't give the SEC enough credit if you think they are talking with A&M in hopes of Texas joining too. If Texas wanted to join the SEC, they could do it, no question. But they don't, they want to stay in the Big 12, join the Pac 16 or go independent. I think that much is clear, and is likely in that order. The SEC sees what's coming, they know 16 team conferences are just around the corner, so they want to strike first with a Texas team, and probably grab Mizzou, UNC, Maryland, Florida State, or whoever else to expand their TV markets. They want money for their schools, because that makes them all a stronger conference.
Funny how they put themselves in that position, it's almost as if Dan Beebe is on their side...
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
The SEC allows schools to sell third tier tv rights. Florida for instance has a deal with the Sunshine Network.
Just found this on truth and rumors.
Pickens blames Texas for Big 12 chaos
08:22 AM ET 09.04 | While Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds professed his love for the Big 12, Oklahoma State billionaire booster Boone Pickens says the league won't last much longer. Pickens believes the Cowboys will end up in the Pac-12, with Oklahoma. He largely blames Texas' insistence on creating the Longhorn Network. "The network could have been the straw that broke the camel's back," Pickens said. Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying 'aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."
Austin American-Statesman
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Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#ixzz1X1C5t4dB
Pickens blames Texas for Big 12 chaos
08:22 AM ET 09.04 | While Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds professed his love for the Big 12, Oklahoma State billionaire booster Boone Pickens says the league won't last much longer. Pickens believes the Cowboys will end up in the Pac-12, with Oklahoma. He largely blames Texas' insistence on creating the Longhorn Network. "The network could have been the straw that broke the camel's back," Pickens said. Dodds "is a friend of mine," Pickens said. "But DeLoss had too many cards and he played every damn one of them. I think that's too bad. You get tired of saying 'aaah' while you get something shoved down your throat."
Austin American-Statesman
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Read more: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/ncaa#ixzz1X1C5t4dB
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Ckw
Guest
Once again, typical arrogance. You call your post "more factual and accurate than all other information on the topic"? Pure arrogance given the fact that I didn't see any sources listed in your post or any information (you know the thing we use to support our "facts") to support your claims. Just sounded like a bunch of subjective nonsense from a complete tool.
I think this is at the center of the issue. The league was formed with unequal relationships. Overtime, the guys with more power will exercise it and the other person(s) will just get tired of putting up with it, especially if they are used to having power and have other options. There are details and last straws, but from the outside plenty have seen this conference as disfunctional with a lack of real trust/history to overcome rough matches long ago.
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Ckw
Guest
Great post. Most of the teams in the Big XII are at fault, and the reality is the Big XII has never had a strong leadership that truly looked out for the interests of the entire Big XII. Everything always revolved around only a few schools and Texas was undoubtedly at the top of that list. As I said in my earlier post, I don't blame Texas for what happened. I think their move was selfish and lacked foresight, but I also don't think any other team in the Big XII would have done differently had they been given a similar deal. It has just had piss poor leadership up top. The reason the SEC, Pac 12, & Big 10 have been so successful is they have had great collective leadership that has looked out for the interests of the entire conference. It really is a shame a good rivalry like A&M-Texas has to die this way. Hell, Texas-OU may only happen every few years if Texas goes Independent and OU goes to the Pac 12.
Sad it happened this way. I can still remember only a few years back when the Big XII was arguably the best conference in college football. My how the mighty have fallen!
b0ng
Bad Hombre
When you have one team in a Conference that makes more money than all the other teams stuff like this happens. This whole conference apocalypse doesn't really affect the school I'm most attached to but as an observer I find it difficult to blame tamu for going to the SEC. More exposure, and on a weekly basis you're going to see a better team as the opposition. Texas fans and alumni will spin it a myriad of different ways but in the end they will be left by the halfway decent programs in the big12 and will have to go independent (which would probably not work out that great) or join a much more stable conference where they probably won't be the top dog. All for a cable network that isn't carried by many providers.
Too bad the cougars can't benefit from this.
Too bad the cougars can't benefit from this.
Stemp
Brew Master
You drink too much orange kool-aid and get too much info from Chip "Oops, I was wrong again" Brown
c10x
Waterboy
Chip Brown is as connected as any reporter in the country. He absolutely owned the whole realignment story last year, won the award for best sports journalist from Yahoo last year, and is right in the thick of things again.
I'm sure you can figure out that details in this type of story are fluid, and things change hour to hour.
c10x
Waterboy
Ha. You must have missed the part where I'm not writing a paper for school or work. I'm not a sports writer. I don't owe you references or citations. It doesn't matter to me whether or not you believe what I wrote. It wouldn't matter if I cited everything I said as thoroughly as a wikipedia page; the way you type (ex. tsip, typical arrogance, etc) makes it clear that you have no interest in making your mind up for yourself. Group think - the aggie way.
Stemp
Brew Master
Yeah... he "owned" it... because he was the defacto mouthpiece for the tu AD. He did and does take marching orders from Dodds office , much the way Luicci takes his orders from Byrne's office.
This year, he's been wrong on almost everything, to the point he was blaming his A&M "source" for giving him bad info because they were loyal to Billy Luicci. But do you know who Chip Brown's A&M source is? That's right... Billy Luicci and TexAgs. And he's Luicci's Texas source. Its been confirmed that no one in A&M AD's office will accept Browns calls because of all the crap he spewed last year. Luicci's problem is that A&M AD isn't hardly involved in realignment this year, it's all going through Loftin, so he was saying A&M wasn't going to make a move because that's what Bryne's position was. Then when Bryne's changed, Luicci's changed.
mr. peebs
gig 'em
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
his "sources" are literally whatever dodds wants him to say, or what he reads on message boards/thinks on his own that he then posts under the guise of coming from an actual source. dude is a freakin' mouthpiece.
here's a recent article from the nyt basically calling chip out for making things up..
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/s...player-in-pac-12s-expansion-outlook.html?_r=3
it's actually astounding how wrong he's been on so many things yet still gets reported/retweeted so heavily.
here's another link showing how bad a journalist he is... put's something out there then a few hours later pretty much negates everything he said... comments are pretty funny under the post too..
http://my.journalstar.com/post/Husker_Extra_Group/Husker_Extra/blog/am_to_sec_no_way_but_wait_.html
as for the real reason the big 12 is on the verge of breaking up again, it's mainly due to dan beebe being an incompetent lapdog
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Ckw
Guest
Why even engage in the topic if you are just going to pull stuff out of your ass, then be unwilling to defend the **** you spewed all over the thread. You claimed to have made the most accurate post in the entire thread, yet you don't think references are necessary? With that, my discourse with you ends. You can reply if you want, but I don't care to participate in a discussion with someone so ignorant/arrogant that they don't even care to backup what they claim as fact.
:mariopalm:
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Ckw
Guest
Exactly. The Big XII has had no leadership, and that is the sole reason the conference is folding.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
The Sunshine Network airs its college games on a 24 hour delay. If they aired them live, you might have a point, but as it stands now, only the BYU network is comparable to the LHN.
Dan B.
Hall of Fame
No they don't.
Then I have a point because they do air games live. As part of the Fox Sports Network family they air several live games each week from the ACC and SEC. Last week it was James Madison vs North Carolina followed by East Carolina vs South Carolina.
Florida just sold their third tier rights to a network that already had the second tier rights. UT held out for a better deal. Don't kid yourself. If ESPN had offered Florida what they offered Texas, UF would have taken it -- and there's nothing preventing them (or any other SEC team) from doing so now that the precedent has been set.
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mr. peebs
gig 'em
not much to do with previous posts but I thought i'd add so others could see how freaking pathetic baylor is hahahaha...
http://www.baylor.edu/nation/index.php?id=84714
first the perryman report that got ripped to shreds. then the op-ed's by kenneth starr. now this. I can't believe they haven't begged the longhorns to put their game on lhn yet to entice them to stay
more baylor hate from me because I can't get over how pathetic they've been hahaha
all credit to cuppycup
http://www.baylor.edu/nation/index.php?id=84714
first the perryman report that got ripped to shreds. then the op-ed's by kenneth starr. now this. I can't believe they haven't begged the longhorns to put their game on lhn yet to entice them to stay
more baylor hate from me because I can't get over how pathetic they've been hahaha
all credit to cuppycup
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I don't think that there's any question that the Longhorn Network is a key issue in everything going on with the Big 12, now. But, I really wonder why ESPN chose to set it up the way they did. It seems that the tight tie-in with UT is limiting the network from ESPN's standpoint, more than it's likely to be helping.
As an alternative, imagine that ESPN had set up an "independent" network, ESPN Texas or something. They could still pay UT for the same broadcast rights, and I would think that UT would still be happy with the arrangement. They could negotiate separately for high school broadcast rights, highlights, whatever, and not run into NCAA problems. They'd have an easier time filling out their lineup if they could negotiate with a wider range of universities that are not otherwise going to agree to broadcast content under a UT heading. I would think they would have a far easier sell to the cable/satellite companies if they are positioning it as a Texas sports channel, rather than just a UT channel. So, I really don't understand why they set it up the way they did, unless it was a necessary incentive to get UT to agree (which I personally doubt had to be the case).
I don't know that it would have prevented a Big 12 breakup, especially since other schools probably still wouldn't be able to negotiate a deal worth as much as UT's. But, it seems like it would have still give UT and ESPN basically everything they have now, while not necessarily antagonizing the rest of the conference as much.
As an alternative, imagine that ESPN had set up an "independent" network, ESPN Texas or something. They could still pay UT for the same broadcast rights, and I would think that UT would still be happy with the arrangement. They could negotiate separately for high school broadcast rights, highlights, whatever, and not run into NCAA problems. They'd have an easier time filling out their lineup if they could negotiate with a wider range of universities that are not otherwise going to agree to broadcast content under a UT heading. I would think they would have a far easier sell to the cable/satellite companies if they are positioning it as a Texas sports channel, rather than just a UT channel. So, I really don't understand why they set it up the way they did, unless it was a necessary incentive to get UT to agree (which I personally doubt had to be the case).
I don't know that it would have prevented a Big 12 breakup, especially since other schools probably still wouldn't be able to negotiate a deal worth as much as UT's. But, it seems like it would have still give UT and ESPN basically everything they have now, while not necessarily antagonizing the rest of the conference as much.
not much to do with previous posts but I thought i'd add so others could see how freaking pathetic baylor is hahahaha...
http://www.baylor.edu/nation/index.php?id=84714
first the perryman report that got ripped to shreds. then the op-ed's by kenneth starr. now this. I can't believe they haven't begged the longhorns to put their game on lhn yet to entice them to stay
more baylor hate from me because I can't get over how pathetic they've been hahaha
all credit to cuppycup
No one at Baylor gave a damn about Texas traditions when the SWC broke up.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
Well then one of us is confused. According to this article on the deal:
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/stories/2008/07/14/daily4.html
The UF deal was a marketing deal for the university, something that's not uncommon for big universities to sign. I'm not finding any news source that declares Florida sold its game rights for any number of years, but if you do please post it. The games shown on the Sun Sports network (which is really just a regional Fox channel), seem to be given out in deals from the conferences, not individual schools.
Blake
MMQB
I cant believe yall are still fighting with each-other over this nonsense. I hope both sides realize that we all know about 2% of the actual facts in what goes on and will never know exactly who did what. You can blame whoever you'd like, but that accomplishes exactly nothing.
The question in the OP is like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg, and you guys are beating each-other to death over it.
The question in the OP is like asking what came first, the chicken or the egg, and you guys are beating each-other to death over it.
HuttoKarl
Veteran
Chip Brown has sources all over the country for whatever school you wanna know about. To think he's just a UT mouthpiece is completely ridiculous. Billy Lucci is a great source of info at A&M and he shows up on Austin radio all the time. You know what? Chip Brown is Billy's UT source. See how that works?
The Big 12 is dissolving for a variety of reasons.
1. The quality of schools in the conference was weak to begin with. After Oklahoma and Texas, the quality of programs dropped off significantly and the bottom of the barrel teams in the Big 12 would have a hard time competing in Conf-USA, WAC or some of the lesser conferences.
2. Texas A&M DOES have a major inferiority complex when it comes to UT. Your fight song is about UT. You come up with little nicknames for UT fans. Your whole existence is pretty much whining about UT. It's pathetic. I hope an add to the SEC helps you cultists change that. Anything good for UT is bad for A&M as far as any Aggie is concerned.
3. Okay...so really..number 2 isn't a reason it's dissolving...but it is the truth. Reason #1 is it. If you don't have quality games, nobody's going to watch.
Now...I'm not a Longhorn fan. I find that most Longhorn fans never even went to UT Austin. A large number of the most annoying UT fans never even set foot on campus. I can't stand UT Austin. I'm a Texas State Bobcat and I think that the Cats could probably compete against K-States or Kansas or Baylor and that's a reason why nobody wants to watch OU trounce some weak team. You'll never get anyone to want to watch Baylor give up a zillion points to Texas (unless that person went to Baylor or UT...or didn't go to UT as many of their fans didn't). People want to see competitive football. That's what makes $$$.
The Big 12 is dissolving for a variety of reasons.
1. The quality of schools in the conference was weak to begin with. After Oklahoma and Texas, the quality of programs dropped off significantly and the bottom of the barrel teams in the Big 12 would have a hard time competing in Conf-USA, WAC or some of the lesser conferences.
2. Texas A&M DOES have a major inferiority complex when it comes to UT. Your fight song is about UT. You come up with little nicknames for UT fans. Your whole existence is pretty much whining about UT. It's pathetic. I hope an add to the SEC helps you cultists change that. Anything good for UT is bad for A&M as far as any Aggie is concerned.
3. Okay...so really..number 2 isn't a reason it's dissolving...but it is the truth. Reason #1 is it. If you don't have quality games, nobody's going to watch.
Now...I'm not a Longhorn fan. I find that most Longhorn fans never even went to UT Austin. A large number of the most annoying UT fans never even set foot on campus. I can't stand UT Austin. I'm a Texas State Bobcat and I think that the Cats could probably compete against K-States or Kansas or Baylor and that's a reason why nobody wants to watch OU trounce some weak team. You'll never get anyone to want to watch Baylor give up a zillion points to Texas (unless that person went to Baylor or UT...or didn't go to UT as many of their fans didn't). People want to see competitive football. That's what makes $$$.
Stemp
Brew Master
One of those weak teams is about join the best football conference in the land without anyone else. It also had 3 national championships last year and the football team tied for the Big 12 South and only lost out on going to the championship game based on tie-breakers.
Ole Miss Texan
Hall of Fame
Do you have a link for this? This would be exciting... can't find any talk on the web about it. Thanks!
mr. peebs
gig 'em
best I can do, but looch has been spot on and patient about this whole process. he hasn't been throwing **** out there to see if it sticks on walls.
http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1908439&forum_id=5
XI CMURDER IX
Gig 'em
Saw this on TexAgs, preview of the Loftin presser tomorrow!
HuttoKarl
Veteran
Baylor? Kansas? K State? Colorado? Nebraska? Missouri?
OK State has recently improved, but for a long time has stunk it up. A&M is a perennial also-ran. They're middle of the pack teams. A&M's about to go from 3rd prettiest girl in the class to the 8th or 9th prettiest girl in the class when they go to their new school. They'll compete with South Carolina maybe.
Baseball, basketball, volleyball, etc aren't driving conferences. It's football and when it comes to football, there was never a lot happening in the Big 12.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Chip Brown stated that UT was going to the ACC as if it were fact. Chip Brown is a terrible terrible "journalist".
Blake
MMQB
this is getting good!
@slmandel
Stewart Mandel
The SEC makes it official: Voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M.
ChipBrownOB
Orangebloods.com: SEC wants B12 schools to sign waivers...B12 schools saying no...A&M postpones SEC celebration.
@slmandel
Stewart Mandel
SEC was notified yesterday that one Big 12 school (take a guess) had "withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action."
@ChipBrownOB
Chip Brown
Read this statement on Baylor's website ... http://www.baylor.edu/nation/texasfootball.htm ... and ask yourself if the Bears are going to waive right to sue SEC.
Ranger Tom
All Pro
Translation: "Please, PLEASE don't make us play in Conference USA." That's not to say I don't have any sympathy for Baylor, mind you. This really sucks for them.