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I thought Weaver played pretty well at DE this year. I've heard a lot of talk about moving him inside, but I just don't see it. Then you add in Babin (our sack leader this year) and Peek (if we resign him) and I dno't see DE being nearly as much of a position of need as DT.
Weaver has good run stopping ability, but he is no DT. He also has limited pass rushing ability. If we were so concerned with getting good pressure off the edges on 1st and 2nd down, why did we bring in a 3-4 DE with no history of sacks?
I thought Weaver played pretty well at DE this year. I've heard a lot of talk about moving him inside, but I just don't see it. Then you add in Babin (our sack leader this year) and Peek (if we resign him) and I dno't see DE being nearly as much of a position of need as DT.
Sacks.
Sacks are the most overrated statistic in the NFL. Its not about getting sacks, its about getting consitant pressure, something the Texans passing offense knows plenty about.
And something the defensive line doesn't know how to do. We need another DE because we can't get constant pressure on the QB. Too often the QB had way too much time to throw the ball. We could have the best secondary in the NFL and if we don't find a way to pressure the QB, we aren't going to have a good defense. I think DE is a bigger issue than getting another DT. I really liked the way Anthony Maddox played last season and I think Weaver is a better player as a tackle than an end. I'd love to have Gaines Adams on the other side of Mario. Adams, Mario, Dunta Robinson, DeMeco Ryans....![]()
Sacks are a product of your entire team, not just your DEs.
But the fact remains that our DE's could not get any consistent pressure on the QB. Having a rotating door of ends with Babin, Peek, and Weaver isn't going to work. Neither of them should be starting as an end in the NFL. Weaver should be a tackle, what he was when he was with Baltimore. In a 4-3, you rely on the line to get most of the pressure on the QB, and our line didn't do that consistently enough.
Weaver wasn't a tackle in baltimore..
He was a 3-4 DE which is typically an undersized DT/oversized DE. Speaking of Baltimore, 5 players on their team had 5 or more sacks this season. In other words, they had 5 players who topped our team sack leader's mark which is the easy answer to why DE is a need. Anytime you use a rotation or multiple players at a position, it either means you have too much talent or too little talent. In our case, its easy to see which one it is for the other DE spot opposite Mario.Weaver wasn't a tackle in baltimore..
Yeah, I was wrong on that one. I thought the Chronicle or some other site said he was a tackle in Baltimore, but I guess not after reading his bio. Doesn't change the fact he wasn't very good at pressuring the QB.
Weaver is not a pass rusher and with him and Mario on the outside, we dont have the speed to consitantly get to the QB. Weaver does need to be moved inside and allow either Babin or a new DE (I doubt we resign Peek) to play opposite Mario on the weakside.
Why wouldn't a very quick interior rusher like Okoye be better? That way we could keep Babin/Peek on the outside and draw away coverage from them as exterior linemen move inside to prevent the pocket from collapsing.
Weaver is not a pass rusher and with him and Mario on the outside, we dont have the speed to consitantly get to the QB. Weaver does need to be moved inside and allow either Babin or a new DE (I doubt we resign Peek) to play opposite Mario on the weakside.
Sacks are the most overrated statistic in the NFL. Its not about getting sacks, its about getting consitant pressure, something the Texans passing offense knows plenty about.
I thought Weaver played pretty well at DE this year. I've heard a lot of talk about moving him inside, but I just don't see it. Then you add in Babin (our sack leader this year) and Peek (if we resign him) and I dno't see DE being nearly as much of a position of need as DT.
Weaver is listed at 6'3" and 280 lbs. Realistically, how long do you think he would hold up at DT every down instead of just playing DT on passing downs like he does now? I think most "every down" DT's run at least 300 lbs or more in the NFL. I know there are probably some exceptions, but for the most part I think they are 300+. Don't know if Weaver would last at DT or even if he would want to move there.
I see Weaver as a run stopper and that is all. He really provides 0 pressure and 0 threat of pressure from the outside. IMO if I was the new D-line coach I would come in here and tell Weaver that he was playing DT next year. Weaver has never fit our defense. I have always wondered why we picked him up. I guess he is just better than the rest of the guys we had...I'd bet that was the only reason we picked him up.
Exactly. Our line of Mario and Weaver at DEs and whoever inside was pretty strong against the run, but we got very little pass rush out of it. Our smaller line with Weaver inside and Babin/Peek at DE got a little better pass rush but that one side was very weak against the run. Weaver isn't as good against the run inside at DT but he can provide decent pass pressure from there. We need to improve our pass rush most of all, and Weaver at DE doesn't supply that for us, he can supply some pressure at DT. Someone like Gaines Adams would give us a nice pass rush but he won't be any better against the run than Babin or Peek. A guy like Jamaal Anderson would give us much better pass rush than Weaver off the edge but would be stronger against the run than Adams/Peek/Babin.
I thought Weaver played pretty well at DE this year. and I dno't see DE being nearly as much of a position of need as DT.
Looking at the board this year in the Draft. some pretty good propsect on the baord at DE in the second to third round range...what do you think Babin's could generate in trade value...seriously. Would you move on with a fourth round pick offer ?
No one would offer us a 4th for Babin, if they did we'd be fools to not take it.
Babin's salary for 2007 is $735,503. There is still over $2 million left on his signing bonus unamortized. Jason costs more to get rid of than to keep. He will have to play his way off the team to get cut....babin needs to be re-evaluated on this team...if he cannot become the starting WDE then there is no reason to keep him at that salary for a back up role...either he needs to restructure his deal or he needs to be traded...
I agree it's not a huge need, but with a #1 DE, our front four could be great in a hurry, and that makes the whole D better fast.