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Why do Cowboys fans hate the Texans

I guess I'm one of the few who really catches a lot of...crap...for wearing Texans stuff, etc.

I would also tend to be immediately ridiculed for being a Cowboys fan whenever someone found out I was from Texas when I was in the Navy until I said otherwise (although interestingly enough, the only two people on the ship who were from Texas were Texans fans...I didn't know this until they showed that 2003 Jets game on AFN and there was all sorts of yelling from two seperate places when JJ Moses (?) ran that kickoff back, then objects thrown when it didn't work out :( ).

Cowboys hate most definitely isn't confined to Texans fans. It's all over the place, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it some sort of "inferiority complex" or anything like that.

It's strange being a sports fan in San Antonio, I guess, especially when you don't cheer for the Cowboys. I like the Rangers, Stars, Texans, and Spurs (I also rather enjoyed the fact that the Dynamo have now won two in a row, but I don't really follow them, nor do I have any hate for the team in Dallas). The Cowboys, Rockets, and Mavericks......heh. I don't mind the Astros at all though, since I have great memories of going to their games in the Astrodome.
 
Showtime100 said:
I mean nothing negative towards you when I say that jumped off the page at me. Can I assume you don't follow baseball?? Again, I mean no disrespect. Astros and Ranger fans go at it on daily basis. You could call it the Cowboy-Texan animosity in reverse. They stop at nothing to point out the Astros faults when all they have to talk about is one, that's a "1," the loneliest number, playoff win to their name. If memory serves, their playoff record is 1-9. That's not much considering their longevity.

I love the Dallas area and have great times when I'm there, but in the sports world I "sports hate" everything Dallas with the Stars as the exception. (Gotta love the only Texas rep in the NHL) That would change in a heartbeat if Houston got an NHL team, but that won't happen. It's a natural rivalry I like and will take my lumps when one-upped by a Dallas team, the alternative is unimaginable.
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No problem, I actually do follow baseball. I don't see a lot of hate here in Houston towards the Rangers. Again, this is my perspective. I wonder if it is the situation in reverse, like you mentioned. I just checked with my very opinionated son, and he has no real feelings towards the Rangers. So do the Rangers hate us more than we hate them?
 
GlassHalfFull said:
No problem, I actually do follow baseball. I don't see a lot of hate here in Houston towards the Rangers. Again, this is my perspective. I wonder if it is the situation in reverse, like you mentioned. I just checked with my very opinionated son, and he has no real feelings towards the Rangers. So do the Rangers hate us more than we hate them?
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It seems that way to me. I might just have seem it more for whatever reason. I check their board when need be for information on something that is going down and see Astro-bashing quite a bit and almost out of the blue-type bashing. I read but never fire back, it's their board, let them say what they want.

When all is said and done I hope it's just me. I would love to see an all Texas World Series that ended up all Astros.
 
Showtime100 said:
It seems that way to me. I might just have seem it more for whatever reason. I check their board when need be for information on something that is going down and see Astro-bashing quite a bit and almost out of the blue-type bashing. I read but never fire back, it's their board, let them say what they want.

When all is said and done I hope it's just me. I would love to see an all Texas World Series that ended up all Astros.
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See, again, I have never seen animosity on the baseball side and I've been living it for decades. Just never came up in any years in Ft. Worth and in fact I've heard alot of Astros support up there when I grew up and when I've gone back. Maybe in certain circles but I have never heard a peep. The Rangers have never been good enough since I have been a fan to talk about anything.
 
HoustonFrog said:
The Rangers have never been good enough since I have been a fan to talk about anything.
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That is a little sad.

I followed the Oilers and Astros through some completely HORRIBLE seasons and I still had a lot to talk about. Each year brought hope and excitement.

I don't understand the thinking that a team has to be good for a fan to talk about or he will be dissed.
 
Tedc said:
That is a little sad.

I followed the Oilers and Astros through some completely HORRIBLE seasons and I still had a lot to talk about. Each year brought hope and excitement.

I don't understand the thinking that a team has to be good for a fan to talk about or he will be dissed.
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You missed my point. I've been a true blue fan of the Rangers since I was a kid. My point was that as a Ranger fan it isn't prudent for me to talk trash to Astros fans...which I am one of too. That is what the conversation revolved around...reread...teams going at it and fans talking trash to each other. Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.

Tedc said:
Why do Dallas fans always try to spin things this way?


Yankees fans are Yankee fans; Met fans are Met Fans. White Sox fans hate the Red Sox (and Visa Versa) and they are in the same city!!



Do Raider fans cheer for the 49ers?...........the Chargers??

Do Cleveland Brown fans also love the Bengals???

It doesn't happen that way but the Cowboy fans want to be fans of both the Cowboys and the Texans (just in case) and can't figure out why we hate them.
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No, I can't figure out why you hate them when many of us are just good fans who grew up there...fan since the 70s.. and who never had a problem with Houston. Thus this thread. If anger makes you feel better, go for it. I've been here a long time and above this stuff. I've never come here and been disrespectful and have many strong bonds here so whatever floats your boat Ted. No skin off my back. The hate is a one way street in something that isn't even a rivalry to those who grew up on the other side of it. I don't need a backup team, I just like the team and love being on this board.
 
TEXANS84 said:
When I went to the last game up in Dallas, I talked to a bunch of Cowboy fans sitting around me who were somewhat nice. They said that they always cheer for the Texans because they will cheer for the teams that represent our state. They had no idea that Texans fans have a hatred towards the Cowboys and couldn't comprehend why we weren't cheering for them as well (when not playing each other).

By the end of the 1st quarter, I consistantly heard Cowboy fans at the game saying: "Geez, these Texans fans are just as bad if not worse than the Eagles fans that come here. What's their deal? And what does the 19-10 mean?"

Then a Texans fan would respond: "19-10 baby! We whooped your butt in 2002!!".
Of course then rolled back the obvious statement from the Cowboy fans: "5 superbowl rings, talk to me then".

Honestly, everyone needs to move on from the 19-10 game. Its gone. It was a fantastic day and a hell of a start to our franchise, but nobody outside of Houston still cares about that game.
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28-16, baby!!!
 
For me its just like this...

I am a fan of the Texans...thats it.

I don't have a 'NFC' team, I don't have a 2nd team. I don't really Hate the Cowboys, I hate the Titans...I hate the Titans more than any other team in the NFL...then maybe its the Jags after them....then the Colts.
Other than that all the other teams I don't care too much for.

As for the Cowboys losing this past weekend...that was just funny. You know T.O getting his popcorn ready, ole Jerry buying tickets to Green Bay...then losing to their divisional rivals...then T.O crying... You look around other fanbases and the response was the same to the loss.

IMO it seems to me that in general, if your not a cowboy fan you just don't like them. I haven't met many fans of the other 31 teams that ever root for the Cowboys besides their team, and I wouldn't expect it to be different.

Thats just them. They are the Lakers and Yankees of the NFL, hate em or love em. I think Houston fans hate on the Cowboys because they are the Cowboys and every other fanbase dislikes their team, and being the other Team in the state. NY Giants dont say 'Oh I root for the Jets as my AFC team.' same with Philly and Pitt.

But yeah, I don't root for the Cowboys because I root for one team. I don't have a 'NFC' team I root for. Texans only and the only way i'll be rooting for the Cowboys is when they play the other AFC South teams.
 
ATX said:
It's more fun to question their Texanity. Most people in Houston know who their city was named after and most people in Austin know who their city is named after, but ask someone from Dallas who their city was named after and you'll get the strangest looks.
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ya most dallas kids i know are just ignorant and arrogant, one or the other my not be so bad but its both
 
HoustonFrog said:
You missed my point. I've been a true blue fan of the Rangers since I was a kid. My point was that as a Ranger fan it isn't prudent for me to talk trash to Astros fans...which I am one of too. That is what the conversation revolved around...reread...teams going at it and fans talking trash to each other. Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.



No, I can't figure out why you hate them when many of us are just good fans who grew up there...fan since the 70s.. and who never had a problem with Houston. Thus this thread. If anger makes you feel better, go for it. I've been here a long time and above this stuff. I've never come here and been disrespectful and have many strong bonds here so whatever floats your boat Ted. No skin off my back. The hate is a one way street in something that isn't even a rivalry to those who grew up on the other side of it. I don't need a backup team, I just like the team and love being on this board.
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sorry to say bro but most of your dallas buds arnt as open minded as you or as big of fans..... the ones i know as the general cowboy population dont know jack about their own team and just throw out mean things about me, or my team because they got NO FACTS of their own except for maybe the years they won rings and 3 players on those teams.... thats it.... i usually get to the point where i ignore them, and humor them when they want to talk "football" i find my self sedating reality to talk sports with most D town fans....

for the record i hate the mavs too, and im sure if the rangers didnt hate themselves, i would
 
HoustonFrog said:
Considering this is #2 random attack on me I'm thinking Ted has a problem with me for no apparent reason.
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Let me make this clear. I do not have anything personal against you. I posted two responses about your concept that because Dallas and Houston are in the same state, they should love eachother.

We did not ALL grow up in Fort Worth. Some of us grew up in Houston and had to endure the seventies and eighties with the crap that the Dallas fans forced down our throats.

I was trying to explain that many teams hate eachother..it starts in high school, moves to colllege, and peaks at the pro level. We can't turn it off for you just because you have been here a while and post on this Texans board. I know the hatred bothers you but it REALLY is not directed towards you...it is directed towards the Cowboys.

I hate the Titans with the same intensity and I have gone there several times to cheer the Texans on. I love the Titans fans, hate the team, owner (he should die soon, right?), the quaaaaartt-teeeeerrrrr-back, the stadium, the owner's road-kill hair, and such.

This board was built on the hatred the Titans and Cowboys produce in us as fans. Since the inception of this board we had a Forum set up just for that hatred but it was changed when we took everyone else on.

I respect you Frog, as a poster and I respect many of your posts. I do not have to agree with all of them.
 
WesmanTexanfan said:
sorry to say bro but most of your dallas buds arnt as open minded as you or as big of fans..... the ones i know as the general cowboy population dont know jack about their own team and just throw out mean things about me, or my team because they got NO FACTS of their own except for maybe the years they won rings and 3 players on those teams.... thats it.... i usually get to the point where i ignore them, and humor them when they want to talk "football" i find my self sedating reality to talk sports with most D town fans....

for the record i hate the mavs too, and im sure if the rangers didnt hate themselves, i would
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As I said, sorry about the bad fans but a majority I know are football crazy and know all their favorite players starting with the 70s. I'm not a fan of those who jumped on in the 90s.

Tedc said:
Let me make this clear. I do not have anything personal against you. I posted two responses about your concept that because Dallas and Houston are in the same state, they should love eachother.

We did not ALL grow up in Fort Worth. Some of us grew up in Houston and had to endure the seventies and eighties with the crap that the Dallas fans forced down our throats.

I was trying to explain that many teams hate eachother..it starts in high school, moves to colllege, and peaks at the pro level. We can't turn it off for you just because you have been here a while and post on this Texans board. I know the hatred bothers you but it REALLY is not directed towards you...it is directed towards the Cowboys.

I hate the Titans with the same intensity and I have gone there several times to cheer the Texans on. I love the Titans fans, hate the team, owner (he should die soon, right?), the quaaaaartt-teeeeerrrrr-back, the stadium, the owner's road-kill hair, and such.

This board was built on the hatred the Titans and Cowboys produce in us as fans. Since the inception of this board we had a Forum set up just for that hatred but it was changed when we took everyone else on.

I respect you Frog, as a poster and I respect many of your posts. I do not have to agree with all of them.
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Well Said. I always respected your stuff too I just was making sure I didn't overstep my bounds somewhere where I might have missed it.

I get the hatred if that is what you know...as in Cowboy fans that were obnoxious. I don't expect fans of other teams to hold hands and take in the Cowboys. I hate our division rivals. I was just explaining things from my side of the fence (history of fandom and how it brought me here) and how I was really surprised at the radio the other day. I knew there would be some happiness over the demise but 610 celebrated more than I ever heard them celebrate a Texans win or anything like that. I think at that level it becomes more pathetic than something out of years of abuse by negative fans. That is when I have a problem because their seems to be more joy in a loss of an "enemy" than in what you might have here as fans. That's where I agree with what Vinny has said in here. Of course I'm not going to group all people like that. My bad if I did. I just wanted to explain how from my 30 years of being around it has always seemed one-sided.

As we have seen there are all levels of fans and how they act in regards to this stuff depending on the environment they have been around. I respect that. Thanks for taking the time.
 
To end this discussion, I am a huge fan of both the Texans & the Cowboys.

The typical response from another Cowboys fan when they find out I also root for the Texans:

"Oh. Are they just your AFC team?"


The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"




Seriously.
 
bah007 said:
The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"
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And this is a problem because.... :um:
 
I'll weigh in here.

The Cowboys are my NFC rooting interest. I never got the memo that Houston fans were supposed to hate all things Dallas. I remember watching them almost every week because the Oilers were always blacked out...especially when Herschel Walker was there.

However, since Jerry Jones took over, I can't help but pile on them every now and then. It's just too damn easy.

Scores of Cowboys fans have still not forgiven Jerry Jones for running Landry the way he did in 1988. A lot of us that remember that incident regard Jerry Jones as somewhat of a carpetbagger. We grew to like Jimmy Johnson even though he often came off like a horse's ass back then in interviews.

Then when Jerry ran Jimmy off for a long line of yes-men, I saw the writing on the wall. As long as Jerry's alive, the Cowboys won't win another Super Bowl. He doesn't have the football mind to get one. His ego won't let him step aside for a football mind.

Can't argue Jerry's results, but the guy never has made it easy to like him.
 
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.
 
I'm still trying to figure out why Texans fans (and previously Oiler fans) obsess so much over the Cowboys. I'm not overly fond of them and I make a little fun of them from time to time but jeez, it's like some Texans fans base their entire identity on their dislike for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. To me that seems like weakness, obsession, and jealousy. I have no doubt that most Dallas fans perceive it that way.

You know the old line about acting like you've been there before? It's not entirely the same thing but it comes to mind when I see so much Cowboys talk among the Texans faithful. Many Texans fans could apply that to their behavior towards the Cowboys (and to some extent the Titans). Talking about them all the time and pouncing on everything that happens up there just makes you look obsessed with keeping up with them. Trust me, nobody in Dallas has ever wasted their time worrying about the Houston Oilers/Texans.

It's just another one sided rivalry where the team that's had all the success barely knows it's on and the team that's always come up short thinks it's the most important part of the season. 19-10 was nothing. NOTHING. Gloating about it 6 years later is kind of sad really.
 
Mr. White said:
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.
As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.
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Again, some of us are transplants, so not always true.

Also, as to your point above regarding Jerry Jones. His mid to late 90s days were not good but he learned a lesson and then hired Parcells and gave him control. He grabbed Garrett and he is becoming alot more astute in his hirings. Despite what people say the guy started getting sponsorships from Visa and Pepsi when other owners wouldn't and said he was trouble. They then saw the money and followed suit. He changed the NFL in this way. Growing up a Cowboy guy I loved Landry as much as the next person but many of us at the time when he took over were ready for a change as the team was stale and relying on outdated principles. He didn't do it the right way but he did the right thing. There are about 95% of other fans out there that would kill for a JJ owner that will spend money and try ato make his team a winner.

Hervoyel said:
I'm still trying to figure out why Texans fans (and previously Oiler fans) obsess so much over the Cowboys. I'm not overly fond of them and I make a little fun of them from time to time but jeez, it's like some Texans fans base their entire identity on their dislike for the Cowboys and Jerry Jones. To me that seems like weakness, obsession, and jealousy. I have no doubt that most Dallas fans perceive it that way.

You know the old line about acting like you've been there before? It's not entirely the same thing but it comes to mind when I see so much Cowboys talk among the Texans faithful. Many Texans fans could apply that to their behavior towards the Cowboys (and to some extent the Titans). Talking about them all the time and pouncing on everything that happens up there just makes you look obsessed with keeping up with them. Trust me, nobody in Dallas has ever wasted their time worrying about the Houston Oilers/Texans.

It's just another one sided rivalry where the team that's had all the success barely knows it's on and the team that's always come up short thinks it's the most important part of the season. 19-10 was nothing. NOTHING. Gloating about it 6 years later is kind of sad really.
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First paragraph has been my point despite the agreements and friendly exchange in this thread. I understand Ted and TB but not alot more about what I heard on the radio the other day. I won't rehash since I already covered it.

The 19-10 thing is dumb because the Cowboys have since killed the Texans in a regular season game. Its like the preseason game this year. People were in a frenzy about the preseason win. I heard a guy after about 6-7 games this season call one of the stations and lament how the Cowboys were so good even though the Texans had taken them behind the woodshed. The host kindly reminded him it was preseason. I don't get it.
 
Mr. White said:
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.
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Ding Ding, we have a winner. Actually, this makes a lot of sense to me.

I should have realized how much this question would stir things up. Thanks to all who have given their input. I hope hate is really too strong a word for the feelings inspired by football. At the end of the day, we are all the same in that we care about the game and our favorite teams.
 
Mr. White said:
Almost forgot my point. This is JMO from living in both Houston and Dallas.

Cowboys fans in Dallas don't hate the Texans. Cowboys fans in Houston are the ones that seem to do all the trolling in blogs and on the radio.

As soon as the Texans make the playoffs, then they'll be saying they were Texans fans all along.
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I couldn't agree more.

I don't have a problem with Dallas (the city), other than their ladie soccer teams whip my daughter's team's asses about 70% of the time. Nothing like spending a few hundred hard earned for the weekend just to see an ass whoopin. Plus the fact.......it's freakin soccer!:gun:

I was just brought up disliking the Cowboys, that's all. Being labeled America's team didn't help matters, because they aren't. Then you've got the crackhead team of the 90's. Then you've got the biggest asshat for an owner to top things off.

:texflag:
 
I'm often reminded of a significant other that didn't stay significant very long. It was always what about me, what about me, if you have other friends, you won't have time for me, I can't stand fill in the blank, etc. etc. etc. There wasn't enough reassuring that could improve the damaged self image, so, it gets to a point of just having to move on.
 
MadBurgerMaker said:
I guess I'm one of the few who really catches a lot of...crap...for wearing Texans stuff, etc.

I would also tend to be immediately ridiculed for being a Cowboys fan whenever someone found out I was from Texas when I was in the Navy until I said otherwise (although interestingly enough, the only two people on the ship who were from Texas were Texans fans...I didn't know this until they showed that 2003 Jets game on AFN and there was all sorts of yelling from two seperate places when JJ Moses (?) ran that kickoff back, then objects thrown when it didn't work out :( ).

Cowboys hate most definitely isn't confined to Texans fans. It's all over the place, and I certainly wouldn't go so far as to call it some sort of "inferiority complex" or anything like that.

It's strange being a sports fan in San Antonio, I guess, especially when you don't cheer for the Cowboys. I like the Rangers, Stars, Texans, and Spurs (I also rather enjoyed the fact that the Dynamo have now won two in a row, but I don't really follow them, nor do I have any hate for the team in Dallas). The Cowboys, Rockets, and Mavericks......heh. I don't mind the Astros at all though, since I have great memories of going to their games in the Astrodome.
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AMEN BROTHER

I lost a lot of respect for the Cowboys when Jones took over, but the hatred really didn't fester til I moved back to SA. Most Cowboy fans from Dallas are pretty cool, but the SA Cowboy fans are the worst, they openly mock the Texans. In fact the local radio and TV sports caster do it on a regular basis.

Segment 1- talk about the Cowboys
Segment 2- make fun of the Texans lose (if they win, they don't get mentioned)

In fact this week on a radio show, they were crying over the playoff lose, and the main host said, at least we are not the Texans, where all you have to celebrate is being mediocre. Hey Texans how do you like watching Vince Young in the playoffs.
 
HOU-TEX said:
I couldn't agree more.

I don't have a problem with Dallas (the city), other than their ladie soccer teams whip my daughter's team's asses about 70% of the time. Nothing like spending a few hundred hard earned for the weekend just to see an ass whoopin. Plus the fact.......it's freakin soccer!:gun:

I was just brought up disliking the Cowboys, that's all. Being labeled America's team didn't help matters, because they aren't. Then you've got the crackhead team of the 90's. Then you've got the biggest asshat for an owner to top things off.
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They didn't label themselves America's Team, NFL films did. If you look at sellouts around the nation when the Cowboys play and the fans that show up, the label may fit more than you think. The crackhead thing is so passe Hou-Tex..many teams have had the same problems..a small amount of guys, they just weren't winning SBs. And the owner has done more for the league than anyone here cares to know but they don't like him personally so this is the result.:gun:
 
Texan_Bill said:
:um: I thought Hollywood Henderson played in the 70's?!?
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See if I was one of the bad fans I would start talking about Oiler guys giving things to other men while their car went off a bridge or things of that nature but I won't do it.:cool: That's the difference to many.:) I got your backhanded words though..lol
 
HoustonFrog said:
They didn't label themselves America's Team, NFL films did. If you look at sellouts around the nation when the Cowboys play and the fans that show up, the label may fit more than you think. The crackhead thing is so passes Hou-Tex..many teams have had the same problems..a small amount of guys, they just weren't winning SBs. And the owner has done more for the league than anyone here cares to know but they don't like him personally so this is the result.:gun:
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I understand all of what you're saying Frog. Remember, I was brought up disliking the Cowboys. You know "haters" always find ways of spinning flaws. :shades:

Honestly, like someone else mentioned a while back, the Cowboys are becoming less significant to me as years go by. The titans have surpassed the cowboys in the hatred department.
 
HoustonFrog said:
See if I was one of the bad fans I would start talking about Oiler guys giving things to other men while their car went off a bridge or things of that nature but I won't do it.:cool: That's the difference to many.:) I got your backhanded words though..lol
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Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.


:) :)
 
Texan_Bill said:
Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.
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I know, I was just throwing it out there:thinking:

HOU-TEX said:
I understand all of what you're saying Frog. Remember, I was brought up disliking the Cowboys. You know "haters" always find ways of spinning flaws. :shades:

Honestly, like someone else mentioned a while back, the Cowboys are becoming less significant to me as years go by. The titans have surpassed the cowboys in the hatred department.
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I hear ya on the hatred. As I said in another post, when I started knowing what football was in the mid to late 70s it was all Cowboys and Steelers. I hated the Steelers along with the Redskins and Philly. This was all followed by a massive hatred for the 49ers and more respect for the Steelers. I always will hate the Skins, Philly and the Giants...the Cards never were relevant except when they used to trot out Neil Lomax and Roy Green and one year with Jake. Now it is mostly those teams and the others have faded.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Jeff Alm's situation was ALL rumor / innuendo....

Hollywood Henderson doing cocaine on the sidelines during a SB through an inhaler was admitted to, by Henderson.


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1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.
 
StarStruck said:
1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.
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Apparently Alm should've kept his shut too......:worm:
 
Texan_Bill said:
There were rumors about Givens, but rest assured, I saw him in the old Lipstick on 59 - plenty of times!!!!
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There was some club place off of Richmond..I think.. that was popular when I moved here..it changed names 50 times and was by the movie theater off of Augusta I think...anyways, I used to see Haywood Jeffries there. with all kinds of ladies.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Again, some of us are transplants, so not always true.
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I guess I'm really trying to say when you see or hear trolling by Cowboys fans in Houston, said fan is almost always trolling from the Houston area. I think most Cowboys fans in Dallas would casually root for the Texans if they made the playoffs.

Kinda the same way that I casually root for the Cowboys. I don't live and die with them each week like I did with the Oilers and do now with the Texans.

HoustonFrog said:
Also, as to your point above regarding Jerry Jones. His mid to late 90s days were not good but he learned a lesson and then hired Parcells and gave him control. He grabbed Garrett and he is becoming alot more astute in his hirings. Despite what people say the guy started getting sponsorships from Visa and Pepsi when other owners wouldn't and said he was trouble. They then saw the money and followed suit. He changed the NFL in this way. Growing up a Cowboy guy I loved Landry as much as the next person but many of us at the time when he took over were ready for a change as the team was stale and relying on outdated principles. He didn't do it the right way but he did the right thing. There are about 95% of other fans out there that would kill for a JJ owner that will spend money and try ato make his team a winner.
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Jerry's a great business guy. Just not a good football guy. Until he proves that he'll let someone else call the shots, then they won't win a Super Bowl.

He talked a good game when he hired Parcells, but by the time that he brought in TO, it was clear that he was trying to make the football calls again.

I remember a quote that he made during the Super Bowl pregame to the effect that he thinks he could be the coach. It just so happened that was Jimmy's last game working for him.

For some reason, every time a football decision is made in that organization, I always wonder if it's "Coach Jones" making it. If Jason Garrett takes a job somewhere else, then it'll be because he's working for a guy that'll let him actually be the head coach.

For some reason, I can't help but think that the Pepsi commercial where he takes the Offensive Coordinator's headset away from him is pretty accurate.
 
Mr. White said:
I guess I'm really trying to say when you see or hear trolling by Cowboys fans in Houston, said fan is almost always trolling from the Houston area. I think most Cowboys fans in Dallas would casually root for the Texans if they made the playoffs.

Kinda the same way that I casually root for the Cowboys. I don't live and die with them each week like I did with the Oilers and do now with the Texans.



Jerry's a great business guy. Just not a good football guy. Until he proves that he'll let someone else call the shots, then they won't win a Super Bowl.

He talked a good game when he hired Parcells, but by the time that he brought in TO, it was clear that he was trying to make the football calls again.

I remember a quote that he made during the Super Bowl pregame to the effect that he thinks he could be the coach. It just so happened that was Jimmy's last game working for him.

For some reason, every time a football decision is made in that organization, I always wonder if it's "Coach Jones" making it. If Jason Garrett takes a job somewhere else, then it'll be because he's working for a guy that'll let him actually be the head coach.
For some reason, I can't help but think that the Pepsi commercial where he takes the Offensive Coordinator's headset away from him is pretty accurate.
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What I think has changed over the years though is the fact that Jones actually went after Garrett last year just to have him available. People thought he was crazy since they didn't have a head coach but it worked. That's pretty big. I think people like Aikman are always in his ear.
 
HoustonFrog said:
What I think hads changed over the years though is the fact that Jones actually went after Garrett last year just to have him available. People thought he was crazy since they didn't have a head coach but it worked. That's pretty big. I think people like Aikman are always in his ear.
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True, but Jerry's been hiring the assistants ever since Jimmy left. (He might have let Parcells have a little more control over the staff.) I think the Garrett hire was why Norv Turner didn't take the job. By all accounts, that was a done deal.

Not really here nor there, since Norv ended up taking a job as AJ Smith's yes-man.
 
Mr. White said:
True, but Jerry's been hiring the assistants ever since Jimmy left. (He might have let Parcells have a little more control over the staff.) I think the Garrett hire was why Norv Turner didn't take the job. By all accounts, that was a done deal.

Not really here nor there, since Norv ended up taking a job as AJ Smith's yes-man.
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I'm glad Norv didn't go to Dallas. I loved him as a coordinator during the good years but I question his decision making as a head coach. The Chargers are in a good spot, granted, but they started off bumpy. I just think that you can always see the dividends when he is a coordinator...like with the 49ers last year compared to this year.
 
HoustonFrog said:
There was some club place off of Richmond..I think.. that was popular when I moved here..it changed names 50 times and was by the movie theater off of Augusta I think...anyways, I used to see Haywood Jeffries there. with all kinds of ladies.
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The only ones I know in that area are:

Rick's - closed down
Caligula - now the Penthouse Club
The Body Bag, errrr the Body Shoppe - now the Riviera
Baby Dolls - now All-Stars
Centerfolds
The Men's Club
Treasures (which I'm pretty sure wasn't open then)....


PS.. :um: What were you doing there?!?! Where was the Misses???
 
StarStruck said:
1. No it wasn't. Perhaps innuendo would have lost steam if folk from the police department and coroner's office had kept their mouths shut.

2. Henderson also admitted to doing cocaine in the parking lot of the Astrodome.
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Star,

1. There have been people within both of those organizations that denied that as well... so its he said she said... The one thing we knew for sure about Alm was that he was hopped up on steroids and that carrying a shotgun in his trunk was the norm.

2. Never heard that about Henderson in the Astrodome parking lot. Is that why his tenure with the Oilers was very brief???
 
bah007 said:
To end this discussion, I am a huge fan of both the Texans & the Cowboys.

The typical response from another Cowboys fan when they find out I also root for the Texans:

"Oh. Are they just your AFC team?"


The typical response from another Texans fan when they find out I also root for the Cowboys:

"You like the CowGIRLS?!!! Bandwagon Fan! Bandwagon Fan! You're not a REAL Texans fan!"




Seriously.
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i do hold judgement for after i find out what kind of cowboys fan they are, like houstonfrog up there has been holdin strong for years and seems reasonable to chat with..... i havnt been so lucky to find these cowboy fans in person, its almost the fans i know that make me hate the cowboys not the team itself.... i dont like jerry or mark cuban either so that doesnt help.... but i got respect for any fan who gives it..... and i do try to get along wih unresaonable people untill they make it personal which my "buddies" in waco did alot sooooo, i want theyre team to lose even more so that they are unhappy, selfish yes, but the truth, but like i say to my cowboy fan friends that are approachable i tell them "hey bro i hope that your team wins for you, but i cant go for em"
 
Texan_Bill said:
The only ones I know in that area are:

Rick's - closed down
Caligula - now the Penthouse Club
The Body Bag, errrr the Body Shoppe - now the Riviera
Baby Dolls - now All-Stars
Centerfolds
The Men's Club
Treasures (which I'm pretty sure wasn't open then)....


PS.. :um: What were you doing there?!?! Where was the Misses???
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LOL..it was a regular club type place..used to have Thursday happy hours or something. I forgot the name. This was in the early to mid 90s so way before the misses. She didn't roll along until 2005. It was an afterwork type place with some rico suave people. I hated those places but they had a good Thurdsay happy hour. This was back when I was a little more out of control.:splits:
 
HoustonFrog said:
LOL..it was a regular club type place..used to have Thursday happy hours or something. I forgot the name. This was in the early to mid 90s so way before the misses. She didn't roll along until 2005. It was an afterwork type place with some rico suave people. I hated those places but they had a good Thurdsay happy hour. This was back when I was a little more out of control.:splits:
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Sorry about that. I guess I read it wrong.

Was it the Ocean Club?!? Kinda near Yorktown and Westheimer? or the Roxy (or maybe R & R back then) near the Westheimer Alabama split???

A lot of Oilers that didn't hit the strip joints made it to places like those.
 
powerfuldragon said:
because as long as they can't win in the playoffs, they're no better than us.
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and i think being a diehard, never missed a game, love our team with all my heart fan of one team who has done HORRIBLE(record wise) untill this year gives us some cred to hate on the wishywashy cowboy wafflers, i wish they wouldnt like our team cuz now they can pick wich team to follow based on record, but we need all the texas support that we can get soooo....hmmm??

ill refer to my statement that the lord as do i i dont like luke warm people, hot or cold... pick one!
 
Texan_Bill said:
Sorry about that. I guess I read it wrong.

Was it the Ocean Club?!? Kinda near Yorktown and Westheimer? or the Roxy (or maybe R & R back then) near the Westheimer Alabama split???

A lot of Oilers that didn't hit the strip joints made it to places like those.
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Maybe..Roxy, no. I went to that on trash disco Sundays when they had $2 drinks. I'll remember it.
 
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