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Why are we the only team high on Reggie Bush?

outofhnd said:
I never guarantee anything till Paul Tagliabue announces it on draft day... Like I said given the current information this is the most realistic trade oppurtunity.. I didnt say that it was going to happen I am saying the jets have the loudest voice in our ear on draft day with their 2 1st rounders.
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Until now nobody else has even discussed it. But have discussed many matt trades.

Nobody has even discussed the possibility of us trading down, as far as media outlets go.
 
YoungnotBush said:
BTW everyone, the original question, was Why are we the only team that seems to be high on Reggie Bush?

Teams are high on Matt Leinart, Oakland is high on VY, NO is high on Mario, Jets would trade up for Leinart, but not for Bush.

And don't say, because people are hush hush, because we are also talking about media speculation.
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Because it is a consensus assumption that we will take him off the board at the top of the draft so there is no real reason for everybody to get their hopes up. Imagine if NO was the #1 spot right now. They just signed Brees so it would be stupid for them to take a QB with the first pick Duece is coming off an injury and they have solid D-line and O-line. Imagine the Texans board then when we would be @ #2. There would be only a small minority wanting to trade up, but the rest of us would be making arguments for taking Williams, Ferguson, or Young with the second pick or trading down. The further down we were in the draft order the less likely we would think about one of the top players. This is the affect on us as fans however GM's have a different viewpoint and our opinions don't really weigh in on their decisions. So even if there is a general consencus reached by the public the GM can still make a move that would be frowned upon.
 
YoungnotBush said:
So Bush is so good that a team would have to give up 4 or 5 picks to pry him from us?

He is this good and not even a peep about a possible suitor for a trade?
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how do you know these discussions aren;t closely guarded? just because you don't hear about them doens't mean they aren't going on.
 
Interesting tid bit off of cbs.sportsline today:

Texas QB Vince Young had a private workout March 23 with the Tennessee Titans. It started at 9 a.m. Young spent the first hour-and-a-half in a film session, explaining to the coaching staff what he did and why he did it. Then for 45 minutes, Tennessee offensive coordinator Norm Chow conducted a passing drill. Young threw to Titans wide receivers Sloan Thomas, Courtney Roby and Bobby Wade. The word is that Young did very well.
Upcoming for Young, he has private workouts with the Ravens (April 2 & 3), Texans (April 6), Jets (April 17 & 18), and tentatively with the Dolphins (April 9 & 10).
 
outofhnd said:
Exactly why they might do it because next year, Chances are they are gonna be sitting where we are now.. on draft day (atleast I hope it isnt us again) Brady Quinn will be familiar with the system Mangini brings to the Jets, why not sell tickets by getting the most exciting RB since Barry Sanders? then get a talented young QB next year?
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I'll tell you why. With their two first round picks they can draft a DE and a LT. What order they do this depends on what the Saints do. With their 2nd round pick they can draft a guy like Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai.

They fill 3 major holes with 3 picks. If they trade with us, they fill 1 major hole with 4 picks. And if Mangini is cut from the Bellicheck mold, I can't see him doing this.
 
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?
 
tulexan said:
I'll tell you why. With their two first round picks they can draft a DE and a LT. What order they do this depends on what the Saints do. With their 2nd round pick they can draft a guy like Brian Calhoun or Joseph Addai.

They fill 3 major holes with 3 picks. If they trade with us, they fill 1 major hole with 4 picks. And if Mangini is cut from the Bellicheck mold, I can't see him doing this.
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If you are filling that hole with Barry Sanders or Gale Sayers then isn't it worth it?
 
YoungnotBush said:
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?
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you sure about that? do you travel and hear what people talk about in other part's of the country? he is probably the most talked about player in Houston no doubt. i was in St. Louis last month and all they were talking about is Reggie Bush.
 
I think the problem with your logic here is (your opinion of Bush is not very good ) and you are looking for someone to be stupid and give us a lot of picks for him. The actual facts are that Bush is a very good prospect and our team should be smart and set a unbeatable bar for any negotiations and not look for some one they think they can get over on. None of these teams are in the stone ages. Everyone knows we don't need a QB, so why would they assume we wouldn't pick the best non-QB availible. I believe I have heard several Media guys say we would either pick Bush or Trade, but none have gone very far in the trade route. I would imagine you would here more after the USC Pro day. I think if we were to trade it would be on draft day and we would need to get at least 4-5 picks.
 
Here in New Orleans all they talk about is Mario Williams, D'Brick and AJ Hawk. I have only heard a handful of people on the radio bring up Vince. Most people here don't want him and never have.
 
dirty steve said:
you sure about that? do you travel and hear what people talk about in other part's of the country? he is probably the most talked about player in Houston no doubt. i was in St. Louis last month and all they were talking about is Reggie Bush.
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Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.
 
Giving a 2nd round pick for Culpepper is a good deal for the buyer . If you only have to give a 2nd for Culpepper ( I know knee and yachting ) then teams are staying where their at .
 
YoungnotBush said:
Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.
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Some of that is perks from winning the National Championship, not an indication of his worth in the NFL.
 
Vince has been talked about a lot and he is still riding his Rose Bowl performance...

I don't think I have ever read of a QB not doing well at a private workout for a certain team...last year Rodgers and Smith were "incredible" yet 1 of them slipped to the mid 20's and the other is already considered a bust...you take these press releases for what they are worth and wait till draft day...then you know who was high on who and who wants who...
 
The Titans can now say they know Vince Young.

After watching some film with the quarterback and Longhorns offensive coordinator Greg Davis on Wednesday evening, the team's seven-person entourage enjoyed a Mexican dinner with Young, his uncle and his agent.

Yesterday, Jeff Fisher had breakfast with Young before a film work session at Texas' football office. Then Young went through a private workout at the team's practice bubble with Titans receivers Courtney Roby, Bobby Wade and Sloan Thomas catching passes.

After he reportedly scored a 6 on his first try at the Wonderlic — a 12-minute, 50-question test administered at the combine — some questioned Young's preparation and decision-making,

But Titans General Manager Floyd Reese said after visiting with Young and the two men he's chosen to guide him — his uncle Keith Young and his inexperienced agent Major Adams — he doesn't have any major questions.

And it's Reese who will have the ultimate say if the Titans decide to draft Young, Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler with the No. 3 pick in the April 29-30 draft.

"I don't think we feel uncomfortable at all about that, I think that was just an example of how these things get blown out of proportion," Reese said. "We met with his agent and with his uncle for a long time.

"They are exceptional people and I can understand why Vince chose them. That probably wasn't as hard a decision as a lot of people want to make it out to be."

Titans offensive coordinator Norm Chow already knew Leinart from their time together with the Trojans. He already knew Vanderbilt's Cutler from coaching him at the Senior Bowl and spending a recent day with him at team headquarters.

Now he finally has a feel for Young and will be able to make some comparisons as the Titans get closer to the draft.

"That was the first time I've even seen Vince in person because I missed him at the combine," Chow said after Wednesday's Pro Day workout. "Whatever fears people had about him, he seems like a guy people had a lot of questions about, I think he got a lot of them answered.

"I think he did a nice job. I think he did a lot to help himself in the draft."

Fisher said he too was pleased with what he saw and heard from Young during two days in Austin.

"I was very impressed with every phase, with his personality, his character, his competitiveness, his athletic ability," Fisher said.

A day after Young looked solid and drew some rave reviews for completing 50 of 55 passes in a Pro Day workout, Tennessee wanted to see Young perform in some less orchestrated situations.

"He did well with the different throws, the sprint outs, the pressure flushes, the scrambles and the different drops, the three-step, the five-step and the full drop," Fisher said. "I thought he did a nice job in each one of those situations."

Fisher said the three Titans receivers helped by bringing a great deal of energy to the workout.

Said Roby: "Basically we just ran the route tree and everything. Vince looked very comfortable. He has a strong arm. He has all of it. He's a very personable guy. He did well."

The Titans have plans to spend the same sort of time with Leinart on April 3, the day after the Trojans hold their Pro Day on campus.

And while they've already visited extensively with Cutler, odds are they will invite him back in to throw to the same trio of receivers as they continue to compare the three for the draft. •
 
So the Titans are going to take VY . What if we take Mario and the Saints take Dbrick can anyone say for certain what the Titans do next ?
 
Youngnotbush, get out of Texas occasionally and realize there is football outside Austin. Houston doesn't need Vince Young.
 
el toro said:
Why doesn't anyone really want to trade up for Vince Young if he's that good?
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Because he is a risk and he is more of the type that slips and gets picked late to later become the best pick in this draft.
 
Dunta_23 said:
Im not calling you out on it and Ive heard it before but word has it nobody from the Raiders were at VY pro day...that seems wierd to me
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This report says two scouts:

"By contrast, the Raiders had only two scouts in attendance -- no surprise, considering the team tends to play its scouting hand close to the vest."

Best homer quote:

The Tennessean

"When you're fixing to invest one of the top four, five, six, 10 picks, and you punch and you prod, you end up if you're not careful, you can put a sow's ear on a prom queen," Longhorns offensive coordinator Greg Davis said. "Because it's easier for a guy to say, 'I've got a question' than it is to say 'Dagummit guys, this guy can do it.'"
 
Eyeguy said:
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?[/QUOT

NO Saints @ 2
tenn @ 3
NY Jets @4

would ALL take Bush if he fell to them.
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9ers at #6 would
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YoungnotBush said:
Young is by far the most talked about player in this draft.

A little side note, I tried to find Bush's wonderlic last night and couldn't find it anywhere, anyone know where I can find it or what it was?
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Double Vince's second score, and that is about what you get for Reggie.
 
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?
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Every one of the teams other than maybe the Titans and Raiders that would be looking for a QB (in which case they'd take Leinart, not VY) would take Bush at #1. There is not another team in this league that would take Vince at #1 as many people on here are wanting, while at least half of the teams in the league would take Bush there.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
The 49ers would be silly to trade a lot of picks for one player . I mean come on they barely beat the Texans .
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If you're responding to Mightymike's post right before yours then the question he answered was who would spend the first pick on Bush, not who would trade up to get the first pick to use on Bush. There's a significant difference between the two.

I don't think the 49ers are the only team that would draft Bush if they had the first pick. The Jets would too I believe. Of the top ten teams I think the Texans, Titans, Jets, Packers, 49ers, possibly the Raiders, and maybe even the Lions* could very easily use the pick on Reggie Bush. Now that I think about it the Saints might do it as well. They have Drew Brees so they don't "need" a QB. They have Deuce but as we all know RB life spans aren't all that long. They might take him.

The entire premise of this thread is a little silly. We aren't the only team high on Reggie Bush. Plenty of teams would like to have this guy next season. We're the team most likely to get him because we don't have to hope he falls to us and so this is the board where the most talk about getting him is to be found.



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*Assuming the Lions don't see a WR they simply can't live without.
 
It's not that Reggie isn't worth the first or probably Mario and MAYBE DBrick. It's what it costs a team who WANTS to move up to the 1st pick to do so. LOTs of teams want those guys and probably would be more than willing to spend a first on them, it's all the other cost that it take to get there that makes it hard to trade out of the first. The first pick is a cruel lady. She has great looks and is real hot, but VERY, VERY expensive.
 
YoungnotBush said:
Espn isn't national media, and Vince is always on there, good or bad. He also has been on Jay Leno and Best Damn sports show and has met the President of the country, and he was a special reporter all during the allstar week. He was working for TNT at that time, which is also national. I saw him at halftime of a NBA game talking to Charles and Kenny.

Enough said, definitely the most talked about and most publicized.

And I don't live in Houston, just born there.
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thanks for proving my point for me.
 
edo783 said:
It's not that Reggie isn't worth the first or probably Mario and MAYBE DBrick. It's what it costs a team who WANTS to move up to the 1st pick to do so. LOTs of teams want those guys and probably would be more than willing to spend a first on them, it's all the other cost that it take to get there that makes it hard to trade out of the first. The first pick is a cruel lady. She has great looks and is real hot, but VERY, VERY expensive.
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Barry Sanders would be worth the cost.
 
YoungnotBush said:
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?

Why is everyone so sure the Texans are taking Reggie Bush, when no other team seems to really care?

Why is it that the Texans have to have this kid, when they have the best RB situation out of all the top 7 teams in the draft, but we have to have him. He is going to take us to the promised land and no other team want a piece of that.

Anybody care to explain that?
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No other team "seems to care" because they all know that no one in their right mind would pass on Bush. So why should anyone make a big deal about trying to get Bush. They know the Texans aren't going to pass on him, or trade down. Do you actually think that if another team had the first pick, they would pick anyone other than Bush? Do you know of some other team saying they would take someone else other than Bush if they had the first pick? I'm afraid your "handle" gives away your bias .
 
YoungnotBush said:
Barry Sanders would be worth the cost.
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Not on the day of the 1989 draft he wasn't. He was taken third overall after Aikman and Mandarich and none of the 25 teams that followed that pick chose to bundle their picks together to trade up to the top spot and ensure they would get Barry Sanders. they didn't trade for the second spot either.

Reggie Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he might be. Barry Sanders wasn't even Barry Sanders when he was drafted. He was just a running back who had an amazing college career and who was thought to be capable of doing great things in the professional game.

Every guy who's got a chance of being picked in the first round might be amazing or might be nobody in two or three years. Reggie might be Barry Sanders. He might be Ki-Jana Carter.

Some days you draft Tony Boselli and some days you draft Tony Mandarich and it's impossible to be absolutely certain beforehand which one you're going to get.
 
YoungnotBush said:
Every trade down possibitily on these boards, nobody thinks anyone would trade up to get Reggie Bush, the next Marshall Faulk/Barry Sanders/Gale Sayers?
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The fact is that the QB position is the prize, and people will think about trading up for the franchise QB before thinking about the franchise/feature RB/WR.

My guess is, in spite of all the talk of Vince falling, and Cutler rising, that the 3 top QBs will be off the board by #5. One or more by trade, naturally. Mario and Bush are likely to be the other 2 picks.

Teams can't afford to pass up a franchise QB, somebody who could lead their team for a decade or more. They say Leinart is a sure thing, and Cutler's come on strong. My money says somebody's going to look at Vince Young and see a stunning QB quite outside the mold, with talent and capabilities they only dream about--The Natural.

It's interesting looking at the video of his pro day. Look at how he moves, at how he throws effortlessly, at how everything just seems utterly natural. Think about what you could build on the natural ability that Young has.

We'll do fine with Carr for the next couple of years, though he's the least natural, least instinctive, most wooden and awkward QB I can think of. We'll do fine because Kubiak's system doesn't need a "star" QB (or RB, for that matter).

That's why I think we'll do everything we can to trade down and get some extra picks. Whether or not we get that done remains to be seen.
 
YoungnotBush said:
So what has Bush done that proves that point.
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this has nothing to do with bush. i am simply saying that VY is the most publicized, not necessarily the BPA in this draft. you can only know if someone is the BPA for a team if you are sitting in on their discussion. you aren't, are you?

i am not a VY hater, just know many of you would have a different opinion if we were in another part of the country.
 
Nighthawk said:
Here, ask the question another way, for those following along at home and still not quite "getting it."

How many of the top 7 (or top 10) teams would take Bush #1 if they had the #1 pick in the draft?
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Out of the top 10, I'd say the Jets, Packers, and 49ers would definitely take Bush. Tennesee, Oakland, Buffalo, and Arizona would opt for Leinart instead because they need QB's. The Saints I don't know about, but my guess is that they would take D'Brick at #1 anyway. The Lions probably want to abstain from any offensive skill players this time around.
 
YoungnotBush said:
I just want to know why there hasn't been any talk of anybody else wanting Reggie Bush, even by the Media?
The trade talk is about Matt Leinart, is he possibly the best player in this draft, and we are taking the 2nd best player with the #1 pick?
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Because everyone believes he is a lock @ #1 with him being the BPA in the draft.So I guess they think their is no real discussion.:challenge
 
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