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Why are some people so blinded by david carr

You can't have Plummer, he's in the top ten. Interesting though, when you think how similar his style is to Carr's and whether a coaching change like Jake had could turn the guy's career around. Delhomme or Hasselbeck maybe but don't you think Carr would be good with Holmgren as a coach and Alexander in the backfield? You lost me with the shoulder twins Drew and Chad- their careers may be over. Brunell or even Drew Bledsoe would be quite temporary for me due to their age
 
eriadoc said:
Actually, it's evidence that once the team improves, you'll see better numbers from Carr. McNair's numbers were not good for his first four years and the team didn't trade him, because they recognized that the team sucked. Doug Williams had a season or two out of several (6 or 7, I think) with the Bucs and the team never improved, so they traded him. He went on to QB a Super Bowl team while the Bucs still sucked for the next 10 years. Flutie's another example of a guy that's posted pedestrian numbers with his current team and then had great years with the same team before he was traded. There are plenty more examples.
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No, even the examples you are showing me shows me that you have to trade the player before he gets better. It is my Theory, that it is the kick in the pants, of being of traded, the idea of knowing that you can do wrong, that makes you play better.

Number wise, McNair may not have been that good. But if you watched the Games, you knew why he was still there. He made the highlight reels, because when Tenessee won, they won because of that one man....
 
Porky said:
Ok, I will take the bait. Yes, I would take Grossman. I will add Jake Delhomme, Matt Hasselbeck, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, Chad Pennington, and Jake Plummer. A couple of others I might think about, such as Mark Brunell, but age is a concern.
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Pretty much all of them.
 
GoBlue said:
Trade Carr for what? He is way undervalued right now.
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Undervalued? :um:

You're watching at the wrong Blue team, we're not playing against Pittsburgh this weekend- Peyton is not our QB..

We are the team 2-14 this season and GRAND of 18-46!
 
:homer: Hmmm. Lets trade Carr for a conditional case of beer that turns into a year's supply of Duff if he starts at least 5 games in 2006.
 
TheOgre said:
:homer: Hmmm. Lets trade Carr for a conditional case of beer that turns into a year's supply of Duff if he starts at least 5 games in 2006.
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As long as Duff Man and the Duff Girls make an appearance you got a deal. :)
 
All I know is that if we are down in the 4th qtr, we were many times this season by only a few points, and Vince Young runs on the field for the Texans I will get goosebumps waiting to see what HE does.

I already have seen how many 4th qtr comebacks David Carr has led in four years, maybe one, the Jacksonville game at home.

David Carr doesn't carry the leadership or intangibles than Vince has. Who you think a defense would rather face. David Carr all day long. Vince will scare the crap out of them.
 
thunderkyss said:
No, even the examples you are showing me shows me that you have to trade the player before he gets better. It is my Theory, that it is the kick in the pants, of being of traded, the idea of knowing that you can do wrong, that makes you play better.

Number wise, McNair may not have been that good. But if you watched the Games, you knew why he was still there. He made the highlight reels, because when Tenessee won, they won because of that one man....
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So, we have to wait until either Carr or Young have played for another team and then bring them (back) here. :)
 
wenskek said:
why are some people so blinded by david carr, I personally have not seen anything out of him in the 4 years hes been here to make me think he is the best thing for this franchise. whether the front office wants to admit it or not this franchise is now starting over and in a rebuilding mode, but how can we/they even claim it as a rebuilding mode when nothing was ever really built. And i am tired of hearing the same old stuff about how he has never had an oline because although that might have something to do with, there is much more to it than just the oline. i firmly believe along with many others that if VY recieves appropriate coaching and given time that he will be a better nfl qb than david and would be a great addition for this team and city.
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Why are you blinded by VY? I have a pretty good idea what Carr can do when the coach is calling most of the plays. I don't have any idea what Carr can do when he is unleashed and given a little bit of room to operate.
 
rittenhouserobz said:
Why are you blinded by VY? I have a pretty good idea what Carr can do when the coach is calling most of the plays. I don't have any idea what Carr can do when he is unleashed and given a little bit of room to operate.
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Huh, what games were you watching? Many coaches call plays in the league, big freakin deal. If you have talent it will show no matter who calls the plays. The best players are the ones who know what to do when they don't have all the lines, time, coaches, they NEED. The talent will still come through regarless, if you have it.

:respect:
 
HJam72 said:
So, we have to wait until either Carr or Young have played for another team and then bring them (back) here. :)
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If Vince is still playing at Carr's level after 4 years, yes, it's time to move on.
 
thunderkyss said:
Number wise, McNair may not have been that good. But if you watched the Games, you knew why he was still there. He made the highlight reels, because when Tenessee won, they won because of that one man....
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Not for the first four or five years of his career. It wasn't until they fixed that team that McNair was able to "win games on his own".

thunderkyss said:
If Vince is still playing at Carr's level after 4 years, yes, it's time to move on.
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If this team is still playing at the level they've played at with Carr, then he will be - as will any other QB.

People still don't get it - it's not about the QB, whoever it is.
 
You're comparing Youngs play in college to Carr's NFL expansion team that was lead by Casserly's bumbling and Capers blinders? Nice. There goes that credibility out the window. Have any one of you ever noticed that this is a team game and that the 2-11 season isn't all of Carr's fault? Am I missing something here? What more proof do you need that Carr can be a good QB for the Texans when he score the most points in a half when he was given the reigns, answered critics on his so-called "locking on" when he put a deep pass right into Bradfords hands when AJ was covered and remained upbeat despite putting our offensive line in dryer cycle.

All I hear is Young this, Bush that. Our defensive woes were worse than our offensive ones and yet nobody wants to address that. And once again if we our offensive line is let off the hook.....4 years straight.
 
SESupergenius said:
What more proof do you need that Carr can be a good QB for the Texans when he score the most points in a half when he was given the reigns, answered critics on his so-called "locking on" when he put a deep pass right into Bradfords hands when AJ was covered and remained upbeat despite putting our offensive line in dryer cycle.

All I hear is Young this, Bush that. Our defensive woes were worse than our offensive ones and yet nobody wants to address that. And once again if we our offensive line is let off the hook.....4 years straight.
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I've said to draft Vince, and spend the rest of the draft on Defense. IF what everyone says is true, that new coaching means a lot, that our offense will be better than last year, then we'll do well. Especially if you add some experience on the Offensive line through free agency.

Vince Young is all that, he's going to be entertaining to watch, and we will win more games.
 
wenskek said:
why are some people so blinded by david carr, I personally have not seen anything out of him in the 4 years hes been here to make me think he is the best thing for this franchise. whether the front office wants to admit it or not this franchise is now starting over and in a rebuilding mode, but how can we/they even claim it as a rebuilding mode when nothing was ever really built. And i am tired of hearing the same old stuff about how he has never had an oline because although that might have something to do with, there is much more to it than just the oline. i firmly believe along with many others that if VY recieves appropriate coaching and given time that he will be a better nfl qb than david and would be a great addition for this team and city.
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preaching to the choir :yahoo:
 
thunderkyss said:
I've said to draft Vince, and spend the rest of the draft on Defense. IF what everyone says is true, that new coaching means a lot, that our offense will be better than last year, then we'll do well. Especially if you add some experience on the Offensive line through free agency.

Vince Young is all that, he's going to be entertaining to watch, and we will win more games.
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Vince Young alone will not win us more games...Drafting Young will probably get us another top 5 pick in the next draft.
 
What short memories we have.

Remember that year so long ago, when David threw for over 3500 yards and 16 TD's? When he led the team to a 7-9 record and playoff hopes the next year?

I think that was the, umm...oh yeah, the 04 season.

It was no coincidence that his least sacked full season resulted in his best performance. Now, amongst a 2-14, 68 sack season with a garbage offensive coordinator and the messiah from UT, "fans" want to abandon a guy who probably hasn't touched his potential with a flagpole.

Even in the Texans' best season, the O-line was weak. As much as we want that flashy guy, as much as we want to say he'll take pressure off the rush single-handedly, we have to bite down and make the ugly picks. VY's O-line was EXCELLENT, yet no one gives them credit.

We could make so much more impact by sealing up these holes than sentencing another talented player to doom behind this line. Obey the sig.
 
big homey said:
What short memories we have.

Remember that year so long ago, when David threw for over 3500 yards and 16 TD's? When he led the team to a 7-9 record and playoff hopes the next year?

I think that was the, umm...oh yeah, the 04 season.

It was no coincidence that his least sacked full season resulted in his best performance. Now, amongst a 2-14, 68 sack season with a garbage offensive coordinator and the messiah from UT, "fans" want to abandon a guy who probably hasn't touched his potential with a flagpole.

Even in the Texans' best season, the O-line was weak. As much as we want that flashy guy, as much as we want to say he'll take pressure off the rush single-handedly, we have to bite down and make the ugly picks. VY's O-line was EXCELLENT, yet no one gives them credit.

We could make so much more impact by sealing up these holes than sentencing another talented player to doom behind this line. Obey the sig.
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Oh, yeah-the 04 season where we lost 6 of our last 9 games and Carr had more interceptions than TDs-- and 4 of our 7 wins were against the Jags and Titans and we loss all games to playoff teams--and, best of all, the last game against the Browns where Carr could not run out of bounds fast enough which is why the Browns had so many sacks-but,hey, the first 7 games wern't
bad at all, except all the homers thought we'd start off 2-0...short memory?
 
texan279 said:
Vince Young alone will not win us more games...Drafting Young will probably get us another top 5 pick in the next draft.
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Where I don't see a big jump, I think you are wrong here. Again, I have stated my case for Bush so I'm not jumping all over VY and I didn't go to UT but I think a guy like him could have added a dimension that would have won 2 or 3 of those games that were blown this year. Some guys refuse to lose and some expect it. I think Bush has skills to win games like that too.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Where I don't see a big jump, I think you are wrong here. Again, I have stated my case for Bush so I'm not jumping all over VY and I didn't go to UT but I think a guy like him could have added a dimension that would have won 2 or 3 of those games that were blown this year. Some guys refuse to lose and some expect it. I think Bush has skills to win games like that too.
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Except when it's fourth and 2, you make this First down, and we win the game, and Reggie may be on the field, and reggie may not be on the field. You'll have Vince every play, every down, he'll have the ability to "decide" to win the game on every play, every down.
 
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