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Who's your quarterback - 2015 v2.0
- Thread starter Corrosion
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Groomed up to be worth a 7th round pick in trade? Ouch.
only if OB has a disciple become a head coach in the NFL...
which meant OB won numerous SB's
Yeah baby!!!
I wasn't talking about Savage being that one option .... I was talking about Mallett despite the fact that he is unsigned to this point.
Savage at this stage of his career isn't an option as the starter. If they cant resign Mallett I'd wager that Fitz is the starter going into the season assuming he returns from the injury. How does that make ya feel about the chances of success next season?!
To be honest I don't believe he (Savage) should be the backup.
If they don't resign Mallett or don't intend to , they almost have to take a QB in the early portion of the draft .... or we will definitely have a Who's your quarterback - 2016 v3.0 thread because Fitz & Savage aint the answer.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Take off the blinders. We have three unproven QBs and one known average QB (20th best QB is in the middle third)
Take the blinders off? Even if the Texans have three unproven quarterbacks and the known 20th best QB (probably good enough for continuous 7-9 to 9-7 seasons), that isn't a good thing. That is high risk.
The assumption is that Mallett pans out (decent chance of that) and if he doesn't Savage will be developed into a good quarterback (doubtful).
How often do the rosy assumptions, especially about quarterbacks, pan out around here?
I believe they are going to re-sign Mallett and that Savage's natural improvement should lead him to being able to be a competent QB2 next yr. Therefor eliminating the need for reaching ona QB this yr and probably taking a QB like Hackenberg in 2016.
As a football fan, it is an excruciating wait while the team searches for its starting QB. We never know a guy is worthy until he proves it, and that can often take multiple seasons to figure out.
I've always thought that the worst feeling as a football fan is your team blowing a huge lead in the playoffs. I still feel that way, but close second is waiting for a QB. The Playoff Choke is a gut punch, but The QB Wait is like Chinese water torture, slowly dripping you into submissive insanity.
We just need to remember this feeling of uncertainty when they finally settle down with a QB. It can often take time to develop, and sometimes the long term goals are met with rebellious impatience by fans.
This is where I'm at, as well. I'm hoping, like many fans, that they negotiate a team-friendly deal with Mallett soon, and that he turns out to be the Mallett of the Cleveland game. This is the "best case" scenario in my mind, because it minimizes The Wait as much as possible.
Norg
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a lot of teams have been spending 4 to 9 years looking for there QB heck browns haven't had there QB in a looonnngg time titans since mcnair
I hope we don't suffer the same fate
True... true.
However, I think we are a little bit closer than we were last season. After what we just witnessed, I feel like OB has a handle on the situation & he'll get it figured out soon.
Whereas a team like Jacksonville may have a good prospect, I wouldn't be very confident that they have the people needed to develope him. After two years with two first rounders & a second rounder I think it's clear Jed Fisch wasn't the guy. I assume they agree since they canned him. But who are they going to bring in?
It would be a coup, for them, if they were able to land Trestman.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm not arguing with the analysis, just the number. We have four options without drafting more and none of them including the draft are very good. So mediocre with promise is about the best we can do.
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I'm hoping that O'Brien went and got Mallett as the guy who could operate his offense effectively.
Like when Sean Payton went and got Drew Brees to operate his offense. Even Kubiak, when he saw what he didn't have in Carr, went out and got Schaub to operate his offense. And it worked fairly well ...for a while.
I'm thinking O'Brien has found his brains-on-the-field in Mallett.
...but I've been wrong before
Maybe. Mallett certainly looked good in the Cleveland game. But, I find it difficult to believe that this was O'Brien's master plan. He could have traded for Mallett earlier in the offseason. Once the trade was completed, he could have gone to Mallett sooner. I think the fans have more confidence that Mallett is the answer than O'Brien may have.
Me too ....
I just don't think the long term solution at quarterback is on this roster (Or that Mallett is that solution).
I'm not saying that Mallett can't be. I just don't see the certainty. I don't see how the Texans can be completely certain.
There was a deal in place that both sides were happy with that OB simply wasn't pulling the trigger on?
Belicheck wouldn't trade Mallett until he was convinced that Garopolo was suitable for a backup. It was all in the master plan between teacher and student and that's why OB didn't draft Garopolo...
You don't believe Mallett could have been acquired earlier?
Belicheck wouldn't trade Mallett until he was convinced that Garopolo was suitable for a backup. It was all in the master plan between teacher and student and that's why OB didn't draft Garopolo...
Right. I think the original narrative was that Belichick out foxed O'Brien by drafting Garraplo, the guy O'Brien wanted. Anyway you look at , Mallett as the master plan doesn't fit.
I don't have answers for why O'Brien waited to get Mallett and then waited to play him. Those questions have been bugging me too.
I'm just thinking if anyone on the roster is O'Brien's "guy" it has to be Mallett.
Now as some are saying, maybe "his guy" isn't on the roster yet.
I don't believe it's as simple as OB didn't do it earlier because he didn't quite want to. Assuming he felt good about Mallett being the right guy for his offense, and I personally do, there were certainly more steps between he & Mallett than just his want.
Selling Rick & McNair on the idea and what to give up for him, and dealing with the NFL's resident dirt merchant in Belichick have to be considered as possibly more than just speedbumps in the equation.
That is absolutely correct. He rode Fitz way too long if he was as confident in Mallett as the fans are, or as the fans make O-Brien out to be. What are the reasons that the fans attribute to O'Brien that makes Mallett his answer? He isn't a rookie because he's been in the league a while, he learned behind the best in Brady, he understands O'Brien's system from his time with the Patriots....
If true, all of these reasons also means Mallett could have replaced Fitz earlier. Why didn't he? One possibility is that O'Brien wasn't sure that Mallett was better than Fitz, and didn't make a change until he felt he was forced to.
The Texans only gave up a 6th/7th round pick for Mallet - that sounds like the value of a backup quarterback. Is it possible O'Brien brought in Mallett, a perennial backup, to continue to be a backup he could have confidence in? There didn't seem to be any other teams beating down the door to trade for Mallett in this quarterback hungry league.
Mallett still might be the answer - he looked good in one game. I think it is far from a sure thing though.
You know if Garopolo would have been drafted in the second, the JFF crowd would have burned down NRG
I don't buy that O'Brien couldn't have gotten the green light on Mallett if he wanted him earlier. Sure, it would have taken more than the conditional 6th to make the deal sooner. Just saying that if O'Brien believed Mallett was going to be his QB, he would have found a way. And he would have played him sooner.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That plot doesn't work either since Mallett was on the last year of his contract and had said he wouldn't re-sign in New England because he wanted to go somewhere he had a chance to start. You don't give up any draft pick for a 1 year rental backup with an incompatible attitude.
I don't know if there was power struggle, new coach anxiety over having a Mallett trade be his Schaub trade and he was less confident, what. As you and Lucky say it doesn't fit with OB was dead set on this path all along. I think you attach too much significance to the 6th/7th - Mallett was a perishable fruit in an overfilled basket headed to the 15 items or less lane.
Seeing as O'Brien replaced all three quarterbacks, I assume he had a green light for the quarterback position.
hoodie wasn't convinced he had a good backup qb until garrapolo's impressive preseason play.
Fine. Scratch that part of the argument.
I think he was convinced before he used the draft pick on him.
Again, "he would have found a way" implies that he himself had some kind of leverage to just make it happen as soon as he felt like it. This was more than a couple of guys swapping football cards over lunch break.
I don't see how the Texans can feel completely certain any QB, whether drafted or already on the roster is the answer.
Why you want to talk bad about my fav QB Garappolo?
Didn't use the sarcasm thingy.
How much would you give for a guy on the last year of his contract?
Not happening. This team already has enough QBs that suck. I would go with Mallett way before I would bring Hoyer in. With Mallett there is a chance that he doesn't suck. Hoyer proved this season that he sucks by getting dethroned by the drunk midget from College Station.
Speaking of which, why do so many here believe Belichick "snagged" Garappolo from us? Was there something to make us believe OB was interested in him, the way there was "something" to make us believe he was interested in Bortles & Savage?
I think people just having fun with it
and he drafted Savage so some interest was there
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
There are many people here in Houston that say Garappollo was pick 3.1 before the Pats grabbed him
My guess is many would like to believe that OB had to have had a better QB in mind for that draft than Savage and the Garappolo snagging best fits that narrative.
I'm speculating like a mofo ...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
That's all there is about Garoppolo, speculation.
In O'Brien's own words, he was waiting until he thought Mallett was ready and when he thought the team needed a change. It really could be that simple.
Yep. Uncertainty is what this thread is all about. At least they have some information and actual experience with Mallett, when nothing but hopeful projection is what they would have in a rookie QB.
Come on DB, you're not giving the conspiracy theorists
much to work with come here...
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Unless it's the Bridgewater snagging that was the real undoing of what OB had in mind.
also speculating wildly.
The reality is there are only two things that will prevent eternal speculation on the Texans completely blowing the QB position in the 2014 draft.
1. The failure of every single QB who was drafted in 2014 and wasn't named Tom Savage to ever develop into a competent NFL QB. (See 2006 draft for the blueprint on how this would work)
2. The existence of a solid NFL caliber starting QB on the Texans roster. (*)
(*): While this would for the most part eliminate the speculation regarding the draft failure, it would open up a whole new can of worms regarding whether that NFL caliber starting QB truly is an NFL caliber starting QB (see Matt Schaub's good years for an example of this).
Is it really that hard to believe OB saw no "real" difference between guys like Bortles, Savage, & Mettenberger, and didn't see Bridgewater, Manziel, & Garoppolo as "his" guys?
Right now, I don't see much difference between Bortles, Savage, & Mettenberger. The only real difference is the opportunity they have and right now, I don't know which is in the better situation.
Being able to start early in a young QBs career can be a blessing, can be a curse. Sitting on the bench & learning a system can be as well.