Who is the real Gary Kubiak??

[Insideop]

Evolution, folks. Not the evolution of primordial soup to humans, but the evolution of an offensive coordinator taking over a craptastic 2-14 team and having to learn how to be a head coach.

McNair could have listened to fans in 2010 and let Kubiak go. He would have been picked up by another team and used his 5 seasons with the Texans as a learning experience. Then when he took his new team to the playoffs, everyone would be dogging McNair for being just another knee-jerk owner.

I'm not a blind homer for Kubiak by any stretch. Some of his play-calling drives me crazy during games, especially that conservative play-not-to-lose mentality when we have a lead. And he's not above criticism. Just about every coach in the league with few exceptions is subject to it. I have no problem analyzing him as a head coach, as long as it's objective.

However, my perspective is also evolving. Kubiak is no longer a failure. He took a a team riddled with key injuries to the playoffs and won. I know everyone wants to credit Wade, who does deserve much respect, but you also have to appreciate a head coach that is willing to admit his mistakes and hire someone that could easily take his job. Head coaches have huge egos, and that Kubiak was able to check his to better the team should be recognized as a positive, no matter how the Texans hired Wade.

I know the hard feelings and abysmal past is always there, but at some point we've got to let it go and just enjoy the ride of success while we can. There's no guarantee for tomorrow.

We are 5-0 right now for the first time in HOUSTON FOOTBALL HISTORY. Not even the previous NFL team ever gave us that kind of season start in 4 decades. And while there is still a lot of football left to be played before we can mark this season a success, I think we are doing ourselves a disservice to dwell on the negatives of the past instead of just enjoying the positives of the present.

Well said DB, well said.

 

[House of Pain]

As a die hard Texans fan, i'm starting to get a bit confused. For years all i heard from Texan fans is that Kubes is inept. Most fans and local media called for his job after the 2010 season. I heard that he coaches not to lose. I heard that he is in over his head in big games, he cant call plays in the red zone, he has never utilized AJ in the red zone properly (lack of fade routes inside the 15 or ten against one on ones) ect.

This year i'm hearing that now he is the best play caller in the league. An offensive guru, the most creative play caller in all of football. He has all his weapons at his disposal now, so now the league will finally see what true offensive genius looks like.

I admit the 3rd down runs and draws do concern me. The first drive of the game was a thing of beauty. But we only kicked 3 field goals for the most part of three quarters.

So is he the creative offensive genius we see from time to time, or the Kubes who most wanted run out of town just just a season andd a half ago??

Did Wade Phillips truly save and inept Kubiak's job?

Or is Kubiak an offensive genius, who just needed little help on defense?

Can someone help me figure out just who in the hell Kubiak really is??!!

Gary? Is that you?

 

[ObsiWan]

Evolution, folks. Not the evolution of primordial soup to humans, but the evolution of an offensive coordinator taking over a craptastic 2-14 team and having to learn how to be a head coach.

McNair could have listened to fans in 2010 and let Kubiak go. He would have been picked up by another team and used his 5 seasons with the Texans as a learning experience. Then when he took his new team to the playoffs, everyone would be dogging McNair for being just another knee-jerk owner.

I'm not a blind homer for Kubiak by any stretch. Some of his play-calling drives me crazy during games, especially that conservative play-not-to-lose mentality when we have a lead. And he's not above criticism. Just about every coach in the league with few exceptions is subject to it. I have no problem analyzing him as a head coach, as long as it's objective.

However, my perspective is also evolving. Kubiak is no longer a failure. He took a a team riddled with key injuries to the playoffs and won. I know everyone wants to credit Wade, who does deserve much respect, but you also have to appreciate a head coach that is willing to admit his mistakes and hire someone that could easily take his job. Head coaches have huge egos, and that Kubiak was able to check his to better the team should be recognized as a positive, no matter how the Texans hired Wade.

I know the hard feelings and abysmal past is always there, but at some point we've got to let it go and just enjoy the ride of success while we can. There's no guarantee for tomorrow.

We are 5-0 right now for the first time in HOUSTON FOOTBALL HISTORY. Not even the previous NFL team ever gave us that kind of season start in 4 decades. And while there is still a lot of football left to be played before we can mark this season a success, I think we are doing ourselves a disservice to dwell on the negatives of the past instead of just enjoying the positives of the present.

I'm going to piggy-back on your theme here... I would compare the "evolution" of Kubiak to that of Duane Brown, Kareem Jackson, or (and?) Chris Myers. When those guys first arrived some were skeptical because they wanted someone else with the picks we used to obtain these guys. Others said let's wait and see. And at some point - many points - during their initial time here they were less than stellar. Okay, at times they flat out sucked. But they kept grinding away, learning on the job, screwing up as they did so. But they kept working at it and now they all are valued members of our team - some playing at pro bowl level.

Same with Kubiak. It was painful at times to watch him learn the diff between just being responsible for the next play as an O.C. and being responsible for EVERYTHING as H.C. His early missteps and fails gave me heartburn too and I'm a charter member of the Sunshine club. Now I ain't trying to say that Kubiak has become whatever passes for "pro-bowl" in coaching but he - AND Wade - have got the team playing at a high level.

And laugh if you wanna I don't care, but I don't know if I could have taken having to import some dang Yankee (Gruden, Cowher, Billick, whoever) come in an "save" our Texas team.

 

[Marcus]

Evolution, folks. Not the evolution of primordial soup to humans, but the evolution of an offensive coordinator taking over a craptastic 2-14 team and having to learn how to be a head coach.

McNair could have listened to fans in 2010 and let Kubiak go. He would have been picked up by another team and used his 5 seasons with the Texans as a learning experience. Then when he took his new team to the playoffs, everyone would be dogging McNair for being just another knee-jerk owner.

I'm not a blind homer for Kubiak by any stretch. Some of his play-calling drives me crazy during games, especially that conservative play-not-to-lose mentality when we have a lead. And he's not above criticism. Just about every coach in the league with few exceptions is subject to it. I have no problem analyzing him as a head coach, as long as it's objective.

However, my perspective is also evolving. Kubiak is no longer a failure. He took a a team riddled with key injuries to the playoffs and won. I know everyone wants to credit Wade, who does deserve much respect, but you also have to appreciate a head coach that is willing to admit his mistakes and hire someone that could easily take his job. Head coaches have huge egos, and that Kubiak was able to check his to better the team should be recognized as a positive, no matter how the Texans hired Wade.

I know the hard feelings and abysmal past is always there, but at some point we've got to let it go and just enjoy the ride of success while we can. There's no guarantee for tomorrow.

We are 5-0 right now for the first time in HOUSTON FOOTBALL HISTORY. Not even the previous NFL team ever gave us that kind of season start in 4 decades. And while there is still a lot of football left to be played before we can mark this season a success, I think we are doing ourselves a disservice to dwell on the negatives of the past instead of just enjoying the positives of the present.

Good post, DB. MSR

Regarding your last sentence in bold, you're exactly right. Unfortunately, and sadly, I have absolutely ZERO faith it will happen. Just way too much lingering resentment.

 

[Texecutioner]

Good post, DB. MSR

Regarding your last sentence in bold, you're exactly right. Unfortunately, and sadly, I have absolutely ZERO faith it will happen. Just way too much lingering resentment.

Actually you are one of the biggest ones in here that dwells on the past. I could be rich if I could count how many times I've heard you either predict that members of this board will bash Gary relentlessly the minute the team loses or constantly whining about the criticisms that Kubiak has received in past seasons even when things are going great. I haven't seen any Kubiak bashing this season. Why is that? The team is winning and other then a few questionable calls and philosophical differences, most fans across the board have been pretty pleased.

This very thread got started because some random new fan asked who the real Kubiak is and mentioned differing opinions he has heard. What did you think would be discussed after the OP asked the question? Isn't it somewhat rhetorical that the answers and discussion would involve both the present day success and the historical downfalls? If you don't want to hear about the negative history that has been existent here, then why go out of your way to bring it up so much? That's dwelling on the negatives and it's also a strong part of your own resentment. Not just you, but a few others as well. Sometimes people seem to completely forget that this is a message board and debating these topics is the purpose for this place along with hanging out with other fans online any way.

 

[drs23]

I'm going to piggy-back on your theme here... I would compare the "evolution" of Kubiak to that of Duane Brown, Kareem Jackson, or (and?) Chris Myers. When those guys first arrived some were skeptical because they wanted someone else with the picks we used to obtain these guys. Others said let's wait and see. And at some point - many points - during their initial time here they were less than stellar. Okay, at times they flat out sucked. But they kept grinding away, learning on the job, screwing up as they did so. But they kept working at it and now they all are valued members of our team - some playing at pro bowl level.

Same with Kubiak. It was painful at times to watch him learn the diff between just being responsible for the next play as an O.C. and being responsible for EVERYTHING as H.C. His early missteps and fails gave me heartburn too and I'm a charter member of the Sunshine club. Now I ain't Kubiak is whatever passes for pro-bowl in coaching but he - AND Wade - have got the team playing at a high level.

And laugh if you wanna I don't care, but I don't know if I could have taken having to import some dang Yankee (Gruden, Cowher, Billick, whoever) come in an "save" our Texas team.

Well said men. (it's (men) since you piggybacked) This is directed at both of you guys. I would have articulated DB's post long ago had I been able to do as well as he did. Same goes for you Obis.

And MSR for both of ya's. Oh well, will catch it when I can.

Great post from both of you guys. Thanks.

 

[Surreal McCoy]

Just look at his record as a head coach, should tell you what you need to know.

Ahh, so we'll finish 8-8.

 

[GlassHalfFull]

DB and Obsiwan did a great job of articulating how I have been feeling. For the most part I try and stay out of these threads, but have felt that I need to go on record for Kubiak.

I have hoped since he was hired that he could develop into a long term coach for us. It has been painful to watch at times, but he has been slowly (yes, way too slowly for some) building a quality organization from bottom to top.

Watching and reading these thread over the years has been an education in human nature. There are the posters who have to beat a point to death and beat up on others who disagree. There are the posters who hold a grudge, those who are impatient or quick to jump to conclusions.

My answer to the question is that Kubiak is an experienced professional who has spent all his adult life involved with various aspects of the game. As much as we would like, none of us fans knows who Kubiak really is. He appears to be a private person, based on the lack of buzz about him. He appears to like to keep things close to his vest. But, most importantly, he is the head coach of the Houston Texans and as such I wish him all the success possible.

His players are behind him and I am too

 

[b0ng]

I feel as though the point I made earlier was only enforced by the posts made after it.

 

[steelbtexan]

And how many games each year do the Texans win because of his conservative nature?

Less than 50% before Wade.

 

[steelbtexan]

This isn't rocket science.

Kubiak is an excellent offensive coordinator who has proven in the past to be a mediocre head coach. His record before Wade proves that point.

You bring in Wade who is an excellent defensive mind and that in itself is going to bring in some more wins putting an average team above average (as we saw last season).

Wade is also bringing in another element that has changed the culture of the team. Maybe that element is JJ Watt. Maybe it's the fact that the defense is very confident now and the defense just sets the tone of the entire team.

To me this is an interesting experiment. Can a team win with 2 of the game's best coordinators but without a solid HC be successful? Right now they are 5-0 so you can say yes.

However when you get into the playoffs and are pushing toward a Super Bowl, that's when you need a solid HC IMO. A guy who can get the team mentally prepared and also make some clutch decisions during games.

Not a guy who is going to start choking when the game is on the line and start playing not to lose.

Wade has definitely bought Kubiak some more time to learn how to be a good HC. I hope he does become a good HC. Actually until Monday night I was thinking he finally turned the corner, now I am not so sure.

The obvious best case scenario for the Texans is not to be in close games. The close games is where Kubiak starts showing his shortcomings as a HC.

Great Post

Repped

 

[steelbtexan]

what makes a solid head coach? last time i checked, the players all respect kubiak alot as evidenced by them ALWAYS playing hard even when the season was gone down the ****ter.

a team without a solid HC doesnt perform like the texans did last yr with a rookie qb.

btw im loving that, because kubiak is smart enough to know he can win playing bland against the jets in week 5 when the team is 4-0, it makes him a bad playcaller etc... everybody questioning stuff like that is playing checkers, he's playing chess. when it comes to games that matter in the playoffs etc, we wont play so bland.. and the other team wont have those plays on tape either

ive said it all along- kubiak is a great HC & OC. he needs a good D co-ordinator and talent on D (something he allows by always giving the D high picks etc- another reason hes so good btw). glad to see him finally get his deserved rewards the last 2 years. many more to come.....

I think I speak for all Texans fans in saying, we hope you're right.

Whoop up on the PACK.

Go Texans

 

[Hookem Horns]

I think I speak for all Texans fans in saying, we hope you're right.

Whoop up on the PACK.

Go Texans

Agreed. I want to be wrong with my opinion of Kubiak. So with that in mind I have no desire to argue with those that disagree with my current opinion.

I think we will learn more about Kubiak on Sunday night. The Texans have every excuse in the book to lose.

Excuse 1, they are coming off a hard fought Monday night win. I think the record of teams coming off of MNF wins is not that favorable.

Excuse 2, the Packers are going to be beyond desperate at this point. They have to be thinking this is a MUST win considering if they lose they fall to 2-4.

Excuse 3, the Packers blew a big lead and were embarrassed against a seemingly lesser opponent. They are going to be playing above their heads to turn their season around vs a team that many are projecting as the best team in the NFL right now.

Excuse 4, Brian Cushing being out. It might take the defense a little time to make the necessary adjustments for his absense. Also on a short week there was simply not enough time.

Exuse 5, Hey, we are 5-0. We didn't expect to be undefeated this season so losing to a desperate Packers team is no big deal.

I am sure I could come up with some more. However if this team pulls out a win despite the above then I will give major kudos to Kubiak.

 

[Thorn]

Agreed. I want to be wrong with my opinion of Kubiak. So with that in mind I have no desire to argue with those that disagree with my current opinion.

I couldn't agree more with this. I know it's been said by a few on this board they can't stand the "I predict a bad thing to happen but I hope I'm wrong" sentence. Well, I see nothing wrong with "I think Houston will be hit by that hurricane forming in the Gulf, but I hope I'm wrong" and I don't think anyone else would see anything wrong with it either.

But if you say the same thing about something Texans related, instantly you get blow back about not being a truely supportive fan. Well, **** that ****. I don't think Kubiak is truely anything more than an average head coach if left to his own devices. He comes nowhere near to being a Parcells, Cower, or Belichick. But that doesn't mean that he won't become one over time, he just isn't one right now.

And, oh yeah, I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

[Hookem Horns]

I think we will learn more about Kubiak on Sunday night.

... and we have learned what I have known all along. Dude doesn't have the nads to be a top flight head coach. What an embarrassment.

In this case I really hate to be right but it's undeniable now.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

... and we have learned what I have known all along. Dude doesn't have the nads to be a top flight head coach. What an embarrassment.

In this case I really hate to be right but it's undeniable now.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Texecutioner]

... and we have learned what I have known all along. Dude doesn't have the nads to be a top flight head coach. What an embarrasment.

In this case I really hate to be right but it's undeniable now.

I wouldn't say that this one game proves that personally. The defense is who is getting owned the most here, but the offense doesn't seem capable of doing squat hardly in the passing game. I've been noticing this all season. We've had a few nice play action bombs, but not much else other then that. I've always felt this way about Kubiak, but I'm not to worried about losing to a Packers team that really needed a win. We can learn from this.

 

[Hookem Horns]

I wouldn't say that this one game proves that personally.

Agreed, it would be this game plus the previous 5 or 6 years. Sorry if I was not clear about that.

 

[eriadoc]

We can learn from this.

We could have learned from the first 5 or 6 years of Kubiak's tenure as well. What we'll learn is a different story altogether.

 

[Texecutioner]

We could have learned from the first 5 or 6 years of Kubiak's tenure as well. What we'll learn is a different story altogether.

Well you know my history of posting pretty well and my thoughts on Kubiak have never been a secret. I'm just not to worried about this game since it was our defense that got owned and because it was against Rodgers when his team really needed a win.

 

[AMartin56]

Does scripting our early plays lead to our slow starts offensively? Facing Rodgers you'd think we'd want to establish the run early but we came out throwing and then had to stay that way when we got down early.

 

[Rey]

Does scripting our early plays lead to our slow starts offensively? Facing Rodgers you'd think we'd want to establish the run early but we came out throwing and then had to stay that way when we got down early.

I've seen some brilliant scripts by kubiak.

I'm not concerned there. My concern is the ability to consistently put pressure on defenses. We have the weapons to do that.

Every time a great offensive team gets the ball you feel like they are going to move the ball. You are on edge because they constantly put pressure on your defense.

We don't do that. We call a lot of plays that don't even make defenses sweat. Those ragedy ass screens we run every game, running Arian into the teeth of the defense, not using Tate or Forsett, not utilizing keyshawn in short space (although he showed some of that tonight).

The offense is good, but it's like he's missing the step on your throat chromosome when it comes to play calling. Put the damn pedal to the medal.

 

[Say Watt]

... and we have learned what I have known all along. Dude doesn't have the nads to be a top flight head coach. What an embarrassment.

In this case I really hate to be right but it's undeniable now.

Yep. I couldn't agree more. I'm not necessarily saying he should be fired, but the end of the first half summed up Kubiak for me. There is over 30 seconds on the clock, we have three timeouts, and the chance to at least try and get in field goal range. And hell, what if Keshawn Martin returns one to the house? Does he not even want to give him the chance?!?

For me, Kubiak is just a p***y. He refuses to play to win. The only thing he knows how to do is play not to lose. It's just infuriating. I'm not saying that I don't think we can win with Gary Kubiak. But I am saying I'd feel a lot more comfortable if it were someone like Chucky.

 

[eriadoc]

The offense is good, but it's like he's missing the step on your throat chromosome when it comes to play calling. Put the damn pedal to the medal.

That has not changed since he got here.

 

[Texecutioner]

Yep. I couldn't agree more. I'm not necessarily saying he should be fired, but the end of the first half summed up Kubiak for me. There is over 30 seconds on the clock, we have three timeouts, and the chance to at least try and get in field goal range. And hell, what if Keshawn Martin returns one to the house? Does he not even want to give him the chance?!?

For me, Kubiak is just a p***y. He refuses to play to win. The only thing he knows how to do is play not to lose. It's just infuriating. I'm not saying that I don't think we can win with Gary Kubiak. But I am saying I'd feel a lot more comfortable if it were someone like Chucky.

I'm pretty confused here, because you just posted this below the other day in this thread.

I think Kubiak is a great offensive coordinator. I think he is a very good head coach. But I think he is a terrible defensive coach.

I don't think Kubiak is terrible and Wade saved his job; he just never had a decent defensive coordinator and Kubiak is a bit deficient on the defensive side of the ball.

What I like the most about Kubiak is the guy is a true player's coach. He never bad mouths players to the media, but he will let them have it behind closed doors. He will call guys out for not doing their job but when it comes to addressing the media, "It's all on me" is his reply. I hated this for the longest time because I thought that was why we were a bad team. But we now see we were a bad team because we had piss poor defensive coordinators that did not utilize the talent on this team, plus we had a rookie GM that was learning on the job as well.

So who is the real Kubiak? That answer is twofold. Gary Kubiak + a crap defensive coordinator is a bad head coach. Gary Kubiak + a good to great defensive coordinator is a good to potentially great head coach.

So which one is it? Do you think he is a good coach or a ***** of a HC? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand some of you guys that seem to jump back and forth on the fence with the guy with these extreme changes of opinions. Gary didn't change anything before this season or before this game. He is the same guy he was 3 years ago and 5 years ago. You either like his style of coaching or you don't. Kubiak is and always will be the same guy either way.

 

[Bulls on Parade]

Getting out-coached by Dom Capers. Ugh.

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

Getting out-coached by Dom Capers. Ugh.

Bologna.
If that makes you sleep better, fine.

More like:
Getting out-PLAYED by Aaron Rodgers & Clay Matthews.
I could see that one a whole lot easier.

 

[HJam72]

People keep talking about his lack of a killer instinct, but chewing up clock when you have a lead kills an opponent quicker than anything. I know it's better to keep adding points, but that is not so guaranteed to happen as the clock running after your RB goes down. I also can't help thinking that the only game we've lost this year had nothing to do with "killer instinct" or lack thereof. Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw 6 TD passes against you because your offensive playcaller lacks a "killer instinct."

Now, you guys saying Kubiak is not a good HEAD COACH could be right, but I don't see the proof of it at all. I see that we got our butts handed to us last night on a Sunday night game right after a Monday night game. I know the whole team played badly, and I know that's ultimately on the HC, but so are the 5 wins to date.

Guess all I'm saying is take it with a grain of salt. We weren't the 72 Dolphins....and we're not the 2005 Texans either. I'm a lot more worried about Schaub's next injury and when it will happen than I am about ticky-tack ref. calls, Manning throwing, "Hey, got off my knee!" punches under the pile, and everything else that just made it one bad game.

We played like crap, the refs called it like crap, heck, the whole stadium was vagina pink. Sometimes, it just ain't your day.

 

[LondonTex]

As relatively new Texans fan, why do fans dislike Kubiak (based on previous seasons)? Is this the general consensus among Texans fans? I quite like him and I also like Wade...I haven't followed the team for long enough to build an informed opinion yet. Cheers

 

[steelbtexan]

I've seen some brilliant scripts by kubiak.

I'm not concerned there. My concern is the ability to consistently put pressure on defenses. We have the weapons to do that.

Every time a great offensive team gets the ball you feel like they are going to move the ball. You are on edge because they constantly put pressure on your defense.

We don't do that. We call a lot of plays that don't even make defenses sweat. Those ragedy ass screens we run every game, running Arian into the teeth of the defense, not using Tate or Forsett, not utilizing keyshawn in short space (although he showed some of that tonight).

The offense is good, but it's like he's missing the step on your throat chromosome when it comes to play calling. Put the damn pedal to the medal.

It's hard to be that kind of offense when you dont have playmakers at WR. (Excluding AJ) There's not another WR on the team that opposing defenses fear. A threat to score a TD at anytime.

The Packers have 4-5 of those kind of WR's. That was one of the biggest differences between the 2 offenses. (That and the greatnes of Rodgers)

 

[Hookem Horns]

Here we go again with the "this loss is on me" line. We know it's on you Kubiak so you don't have to keep repeating that like a parrot after every loss.

 

[IlliniJen]

Yep. I couldn't agree more. I'm not necessarily saying he should be fired, but the end of the first half summed up Kubiak for me. There is over 30 seconds on the clock, we have three timeouts, and the chance to at least try and get in field goal range. And hell, what if Keshawn Martin returns one to the house? Does he not even want to give him the chance?!?

For me, Kubiak is just a p***y. He refuses to play to win. The only thing he knows how to do is play not to lose. It's just infuriating. I'm not saying that I don't think we can win with Gary Kubiak. But I am saying I'd feel a lot more comfortable if it were someone like Chucky.

Guys, how is ANY of this different from a couple years ago?

Kubiak has shown the same tendencies for the last couple of years. Nothing has changed with his coaching philosophy and lack of game-day prowess. The only thing that has changed is Wade and the talent.

To me, the offense is very much a rhythm offense...if they can get in it, run the ball well, then the machine just starts running. The play action works, they can move the chains and score. But, if the offense is challenged, knocked around, thrown off their rhythm, they don't seem to have a response. They don't have a plan B or plan C to get the job done.

OMG...just heard on the radio right now a quote from Kubiak: it's on him, guys. The loss is on him.

I'm trying not to be a negative nelly...I'm telling myself that even great teams have ugly losses and hopefully we got all the ugly out last night for the season, but Kubes doesn't change. He's the smartest guy in the room...according to him. So why should he change?

If you can't make the changes at halftime to move to that plan B or plan C, you can't win tough games against good teams that are willing to do something different. If you're in a playoff game trailing at halftime, and the offense is stalling because the defense isn't letting them play their game, do you have any faith in Kubes that he can make winning adjustments?

I've been a fire Kubiak girl for a long time, but shut my mouth because success is success, regardless of the reason. I could start up again with my fire Kubiak drum beating, but it's not going to happen. We know what his limitations are...but since we're not a 6-10 team, there's no reason for McNair to make any changes.

We're a team with two great coordinators that can't make that mental leap to being a successful head coach. While we look unbeatable in some games, the lack of a great HC mentality is going to cost us in a big game sometime in the future. This wasn't a big game...it was one loss to bring us to 5-1. I worry about the post season. I worry that we can only go so far unless we get exceptionally lucky.

 

[Double Barrel]

Who is the real Wade Phillips?

 

[Vinny]

Who is the real Wade Phillips?

a guy who could use DeMeco back and an edge rush.

 

[Double Barrel]

a guy who could use DeMeco back and an edge rush.

You ain't kidding about that. Our defense looks eerily similar to a lot of Wade's second-year-as-DC-defenses. I was trying to stay optimistic before the game that they could scheme away the loss of Cushing...but...ahhhh....not so much....

Dr. Aaron Rodgers was performing surgery on them like a paint-by-the-numbers operation. I'm not sure, but that may have been an accidental sex change out there.

 

[Vinny]

You ain't kidding about that. Our defense looks eerily similar to a lot of Wade's second-year-as-DC-defenses. I was trying to stay optimistic before the game that they could scheme away the loss of Cushing...but...ahhhh....not so much....

Putting Quinn in the box as a linebacker didn't work so well...didn't improve coverage and was useless vs the run.

 

[silvrhand]

Once we went down 14 points the game got very one sided for us. I for the life of me do not know why we came out throwing the ball against a defense that had their star defensive guy out on the DL.

We should have come out running it down their throat, I would have been okay with 75%/25% run for the first 3-4 series, we went the other way..

 

[Vinny]

Once we went down 14 points the game got very one sided for us. I for the life of me do not know why we came out throwing the ball against a defense that had their star defensive guy out on the DL.

We should have come out running it down their throat, I would have been okay with 75%/25% run for the first 3-4 series, we went the other way..

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

 

[Playoffs]

As relatively new Texans fan, why do fans dislike Kubiak (based on previous seasons)? Is this the general consensus among Texans fans?

No, it's only the consensus of a minority of "what have you done for me lately" temper tantrum types. Most fans woke up this morning happy to have a 5-1 record.

I quite like him and I also like Wade...I haven't followed the team for long enough to build an informed opinion yet. Cheers

I'm with you, I like them, too.

 

[BlackFizz]

As a die hard Texans fan, i'm starting to get a bit confused. For years all i heard from Texan fans is that Kubes is inept. Most fans and local media called for his job after the 2010 season. I heard that he coaches not to lose. I heard that he is in over his head in big games, he cant call plays in the red zone, he has never utilized AJ in the red zone properly (lack of fade routes inside the 15 or ten against one on ones) ect.

This year i'm hearing that now he is the best play caller in the league. An offensive guru, the most creative play caller in all of football. He has all his weapons at his disposal now, so now the league will finally see what true offensive genius looks like.

I admit the 3rd down runs and draws do concern me. The first drive of the game was a thing of beauty. But we only kicked 3 field goals for the most part of three quarters.

So is he the creative offensive genius we see from time to time, or the Kubes who most wanted run out of town just just a season and a half ago??

Did Wade Phillips truly save and inept Kubiak's job?

Or is Kubiak an offensive genius, who just needed little help on defense?

Can someone help me figure out just who in the hell Kubiak really is??!!

I'm a newbie to this board. I appreciate the responses on either side of the argument to my first post. It has been pretty entertaining so far.

I originally posted this question for one reason only.

CAN KUBIAK LEAD US TO A SUPERBOWL VICTORY??

I've been a Texans/Oilers fan since the late 70's. I'm tired of moral victories. Tired of excuses. I just want the Lombardi trophy. So i think it may be time to put Kubes on the couch.

I think i understand what what our head coach is going through. We have lost so many close games over the years that now i think he is shell shocked. He is too afraid to put the ball in Schaub's hands in critical times during the games because i fear that he always fears the worst. When he "turtles", i think that has alot to do with the previous years of losing close games we should have won. So we see him going into this mental shell ( like before halftime of last night's game).His fear of something "bad" happening trumped what was an obvious move which was to call a timeout and try to get some points on the board before the half. He has become way too predictable in essence because of fear. He does'nt want to take a risk, like throwing the the ball down the field on third and long because of fear. He wouldn't dare go for it on that 4th and 2 and opted for the "iffy"51 yard field goal because of fear. I see the theme.

I don't think Kubiak is garbage by any stretch. He is going to have to let go of HIS issues and trust Schaub not to make a crucial mistake, especially when we are facing a dominant offense who can put up points on our defense.

I know Kubiak will be here for a long time. I hope he can get over his issues, so at least we have a shot at a superbowl victory in the near future. Like him or not, we have to ride with him as fans of the team. He just has to start trusting himself and Schaub more.

If he does then embarrassments like last night game wont raise the ire of Texans fans as much as it does.

 

[Say Watt]

I'm pretty confused here, because you just posted this below the other day in this thread.



So which one is it? Do you think he is a good coach or a ***** of a HC? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand some of you guys that seem to jump back and forth on the fence with the guy with these extreme changes of opinions. Gary didn't change anything before this season or before this game. He is the same guy he was 3 years ago and 5 years ago. You either like his style of coaching or you don't. Kubiak is and always will be the same guy either way.

He has shown me over the last two weeks that he really hasn't changed as much as I would like to think. I don't think my shift was all that extreme. Over the last two weeks, and especially last night, our defense wasn't as dominating as it has been and when that happened, we saw our team fold. We saw Gary fold. Yes, Gary + Wade = a good head coach. But Gary by himself is a turtle. When things get scary, he shrivels back up into his shell. I was hoping he'd have changed by now and would have more confidence after the success the team has had. But he hasn't changed.

 

[silvrhand]

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

:vincepalm:

 

[LondonTex]

No, it's only the consensus of a minority of "what have you done for me lately" temper tantrum types. Most fans woke up this morning happy to have a 5-1 record.

I'm with you, I like them, too.

I'll be even happier with a 6-1 going into the bye!

 

[dream_team]

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

Do you prefer a HC with confidence problems? Someone that doesn't have faith and believe in his system? In case you aren't aware, all head coaches in this league think their game plan is the best.

 

[Vinny]

Kubiak reverting to the smartest guy in the room gameplans.

Do you prefer a HC with confidence problems? Someone that doesn't have faith and believe in his system? In case you aren't aware, all head coaches in this league think their game plan is the best.

"smartest guy in the room" isn't a "confidence problem". It's a lack of confidence problem. You don't think you can line up and beat the other team straight up so you try to out-trick them....that's what the "smartest guy in the room" thing means.

 

[Texecutioner]

He has shown me over the last two weeks that he really hasn't changed as much as I would like to think. I don't think my shift was all that extreme. Over the last two weeks, and especially last night, our defense wasn't as dominating as it has been and when that happened, we saw our team fold. We saw Gary fold. Yes, Gary + Wade = a good head coach. But Gary by himself is a turtle. When things get scary, he shrivels back up into his shell. I was hoping he'd have changed by now and would have more confidence after the success the team has had. But he hasn't changed.

Well, what are you thinking again now CKW? Lol!


I assume that your thoughts are the same as they were when you reverted back.

 

[BlackFizz]

Well, what are you thinking again now CKW? Lol!


I assume that your thoughts are the same as they were when you reverted back.

Well, i guess my question has been answered. He is definitely not a guru, he should have been fired, and we will never win a superbowl with this guy at the helm.