Jags&Dawgs
Waterboy
I'm very disappointed in you texans that want to lose just to get the # 1 draft choice, I would want to win no matter what the record is or anything else for that matter.
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Who else would have been unhappy if they won today?
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Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
uhcougar08 said:
The funny thing about sports is sometimes when you try to make plays, they don't work out for you. You shoot the game winning shot, and it falls short. You putt for the win, and end up one revolution from draining it. Anyhow, he was trying to make plays, and uh, it dint work out right.
And he wasn't the only one that cost us the Rams' game. Maybe scoring some points in the second half mighta helped some.
In any event, do you really think that Coleman misses meetings if he is on a team that is getting some wins? You can think of any number of situations where athletes have done all sorts of things to get off of losing teams. Ain't very professional or sportsmanlike or worthy of being a member of a team, but losing sucks rocks. I hate to lose even rec league stuff, I can't imagine what it would be like playing sports was my job and I was losing each week, in ever new horrifying and ghouly ways.
Can you imagine going out week after week, risking your career/health on each play for a team that has one lousy win? I feel horrible for the players right now, and don't want our team to turn into the perenial losers that are just hoping for the messiah each year with the draft, but as a team has no idea how to win games. Each loss has to be torture to these guys, and the Coleman thing is just an example that we as fans can see of how losses are eating up the team. I am sure that there is probably other stuff that we don't see.
So yeah, it is better to be 2-10 versus 1-11. Cuzing losing sucks rocks.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Babbles said:
Too much hyperbole to sort out of this post, but I will say that you don't have to root for losses to get Capers booted. Nobody thinks that Capers has a chance of staying after this year. Nobody. OK, maybe before this loss Foxsports had it at 500-1.
Powerball winning probably has better odds, prolly.
Wolf
100% Texan
uhcougar08 said:Heres a good one, the people who want Reggie Bush dont mind losing, the ones who dont want him, want us to win. I want us to lose every game from here on out.
So what do you do if we got Reggie Bush and are still losing? hope we lose again to get VY or some other "stud" player that comes out in 2007 draft?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
maybe those fans are the most realistic fans. I have read through this thread and laughed when people said that the fans that were happy with a loss are bandwagon fans are aren't true fans. HELLO PEOPLE anybody and everybody who will take time out of their schedule and type on this board about a 1-11 again 1-11 team is a true fan, there aren't any bandwagon fans the bandwagon is broken and is sitting on blocks. Also those who say if we win the rest of our games we can take momentum into the offseason. Momentum doesn't carry for 7 months, we have nothing to gain. The only thing that can result in us winning the rest of our games is we possibly retain our coaching staff, which have proven the last 3 years they can't get the job done. Wether you want to draft bush or trade down your rooting for the #1 ovrl. pick. There hasn't been this much buzz in the top of the draft in quite some time. If we do trade down (which if given the right deal I wouldn't be to upset about it) we will be given the deal of a lifetime. At this point we have absolutely nothing to gain be winning except losing leverage in the draft and options that we can do in the future.Speedy said:
I just can't get excited about losing in order to snag a better draft pick. All those of you who want us to keep losing in order to grab the 1st pick overall, answer this question: If Dom Capers and David Carr came out at a post-game press-conference and announced that they were intentionally tanking games to secure the overall pick, would you want to keep them both in their respective positions and praise them for them insightfulness, or would you race to this message board screaming for their heads on a platter. Be honest, would this make you run out and snap up tix for the next game or the next season for that matter, or send McNair hate mail??:brickwall :brickwall :brickwall
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
That is irrevilent teams don't announce that they are going to tank games. The point is does it benifet us to win or lose thats the point. Does it benifet us to hold the one spot where there will be a number of teams willing to break the bank to move up if we don't decide to make the selection. Thats the pointGunbuny said:
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
profan said:
Well, I was rooting for Baltimore today. There are two types of fans in my opinion. One group roots for a team that is 1-10 to win some games for pride I guess. These fans live in the moment. The other group of fans is rooting for the 1-15 record for the first overall pick and perhaps the firing of Capers and other staff and for changes in the players. I belong in this group. We are deffinatley fans no matter what you say because we are looking towards the future. This year is shot and why win if losing will improve us in the long run.
Your Faithful Texans Fan,
Dan
P.S. I bought two tickets on Ebay and flew all the way from Connecticut to Texas to see the Texans play the Colts. If I am not a fan, I don't know who is. Also, I was rooting for the Texans that day.
Carr Bomb said:
No, my fellow fan, it is very irrelevant because no fan (I include you and all others who feel grabbing that top pick is more important than anything else right now.) would accept that mentality in the team especially the head coach. If you are truly willing to accept that attitude from the coaching staff, then ok I drop the point, but if you are not ok with Capers, McNair, Casserly and the rest of the coaching staff making that statement, there is a really big hole/inconsistancy in your argument. They would never come out and make that statement because it would NEVER be ok to say that. If we won't tolerate it out of the organization, why should we, as fans ,be that way?
MorKnolle
All Pro
HoustonTexans said:
If you were seriously rooting for Baltimore against the Texans then I do not consider you a fan. Trust me winning a few games at the end of the year will not save Capers job and I understand you want positive changes to be made in this organization, but losing games does not help us and hoping that we lose games does not speak well of the quality fans that we have. Why should the players want to win for fans like that?
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
Okay my bad, what I meant to say was I was rooting for the Texans to keep it close and make it a game, but still in the end lose. And why should the players want to win for us? IDK, cause they are getting payed perhaps? Jobs are on the line and at this point they aren't winning for the fans, they are winning for themselves, but nvm, they aren't winning at all. And please don't tell me I am not a fan when i sit in front of my TV for 3+ hours every sunday in one of my three jerseys, wearing one of my two hats, sitting in my Texans lawn chair, with my texans blanket that i got at the battle red day game, and my texans pillow on DIRECT TV... thanks oh yeah, i'll be there when they get to the superbowl
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
and another thing, if the players liked us so much and wanted to win for us so badly... then why didnt they?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I really don't understand the argument your trying to get across. Its like woulda shoulda coulda or what if. What if Capers and Carr said this or What if capers and carr said that, the point is it aint going to happen and has never happened in the history of the nfl and will never happen, so why even discuss it. If that did happen we would go to a draft like the NBA, remember the rockets being accused of tanking games. Again the discussion comes down to whether you believe it would be in the best interest of the texans to have the top pick or not. It has nothing to do with fantasy press confrences and statements that would never happen. Hell last night I had a dream that me and jessica alba ah "lived happily ever" is it going to happen not in this lifetime so its a mute point.Gunbuny said:
MorKnolle
All Pro
HoustonTexans said:
Why do you bother watching if you want them to lose? Yes players play for their paycheck and because they have pride and want to win, but players should also play to win for their fans since ultimately they are the ones that generate the money for the NFL and they are the ones that show up with 70,000+ people to cheer them on every week, but I wouldn't give a rip about playing for fans that want you to go ahead and lose if you're having an off year. Oh yeah, it's great to know you'll be there when they are winning. Surprised some of you people haven't jumped on the Colts bandwagon for the year.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
MorKnolle said:
Wrong. How does having the #1 ovrl pick not help you. Whether you take the best player of trade down which can bring you numerous players that can help you turn your franchise around. In the scheme of things history isn't going to hold a different opinion on a 1 or 2-14 record, losing is losing, but history can look back on a draft and say that was the draft that turned the "team" around. Hello Texan fans, no matter what we do we will have a losing season. The only thing we can control is what order we draft in, in hopes we can get things turned around.
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
MorKnolle said:
Hey uhhhhh, did I not say that I flew down to texas to see them play the Colts in my first post? Well I said it and correct me if I am wrong... they were 0-5 at that point. Also I went to the Texans vs. Jets game in 03 and 04 and each year they had a losing record prior to the game... K thx
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
Oh yeah and if I lived in Texas, I'd be at every game. Its tough to "be there" when you are this far away. And to both jets games i wore all my gear. And also, 70,000 fans... i do not believe 70,000 fans go to the games anymore. Week 7 when i was there i recall that there were a lot of empty seats plus people with bags on their heads. yeah play for them. And to answer your question, i watch the games to see how the texans play and see potential for the future.
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
so ur saying wanting to win meaningless end of season games which will in the end HURT the team is being a better fan?
MorKnolle
All Pro
Yes, winning a few games at the end of the year does not hurt the team. Sure it would be nice to have all the options of having the #1 pick in the draft, but we don't need the #1 pick and it is not hurting our team to have the 2nd or 3rd pick and rooting for our team to lose games is wrong.
I live in Austin.......I have driven in and gone to every home game since day of inception.......I sit on the front row of the Texans sideline on the 35 right behind the defensive bench........these are my PSL's which I paid for by myself........I'm a fan......and this team just blows period............win or lose does not matter now......we had better plan for the future or this franchise is doomed.
HoustonTexans
Practice Squad
Well this has been a good argument and it will never be solved no matter what so I'm just gonna say that when push comes to shove, we are both fans in different ways and the one thing that brings us togethr is that we both love the Texans, why else would we both post on this board and visit the site every day. I dont have a lot of posts cause usually i like to read other opinions and not get involved. Aight yo, it's time for bed here in CT, night.
HoustonFan
Veteran
The team w/ the worst record gets the 1st pick, huh? Well in order for us to win some more games, the other 3 times that are only a game ahead of us need to win some games. Those 3 broads all lost today. The punks.
MorKnolle
All Pro
HoustonTexans said:
Well you have your opinions and I have mine and that is the way things are and there's not much sense to arguing it any more, so let us all hope that things improve both the rest of this year and next year. It is also bed time here in H-Town, so peace to everyone here.