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Caveat lector: Buddy/Clan vs Merit is a time honoured debate amongst all of humanity. Both have won and lost over the years... Muslims built an empire on merit, Washington forged a nation on merit, Mongols ruled the world with clans, Kennedy ran a country with buddys and 'men of the family'. While Romans won and lost on both. So the Kubiak's buddy system doesn't automatically condem it to failure, however just because Ferdinand Marcos, Suharto, Kennedy, Ford, and the Waltons use the buddy system to conduct business, it doesn't mean automatic success.
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Is it a Buddy system or is it a Merit based system? That's the question. The question is not about 'if it sucks'. There have been no games played.


Front office:

Bronco Buddy: Rookie GM / GM - Rick Smith - Broncos
Bronco Buddy: 8 Years in job /College Scouting - Dale Strahm - Broncos
Casserly Buddy : 2 years / Pro Scouting - Chuck Banker - Texans

Don't know where Banker is now. His name is not on the charts. There are some Casserly guys there though; Kisiel and Saimes.

Coaching Staff:

Aggie/Bronco Source: Rookie HC /Gary Kubiak (Head Coach) - Broncos
Aggie Buddy: 6 years as HC/GM / Mike Sherman (Asst. HeadCoach/Offense) - Packers
Bronco Buddy: Rookie OC /Troy Calhoun (Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks) - Broncos
Bronco Buddy: 1 year DC /Richard Smith (Defensive Coordinator) - Dolphins/Lions
Capers Buddy: 10 years / Joe Marciano (Special Teams Coordinator) - Texans
Merit: Rookie DBs /Martin Bayless (Asst. Defensive Backs) - Raiders
Kubiak Buddy: 1 Year /John Benton (Offensive Line) - Rams
Capers Merit: 25+ years /Chick Harris (Running Backs) - Texans
Merit: 4 years /Jon Hoke (Defensive Backs) - Texans
Aggie Buddy: 4 Years /Johnny Holland (Linebackers) - Packers/Seahawks/Lions
Casserly Buddy: 14 years / Bob Karmelowicz (Defensive Line) - Chiefs

Bronco Buddy, but this guy doesn't count for beans... he makes coffee. Mike McDaniel (Offensive Assistant) - Broncos

Bronco Buddy: 9 years /Brian Pariani (Tight Ends) - Syracuse/Broncos/49ers
Merit: Rookie, but this guy serves the coffee that McDaniel makes. Robert Saleh (Defensive Assistant) - Texans

Bronco Buddy: Rookie, but never had to make or serve coffee, because he is the Coach's son. Kyle Shanahan (Wide Receivers) - Buccaneers

In the 4 critical spots
HC - Rookie
GM - Rookie
OC - Rookie
DC - 1 year

Smith and Holland come from the Lions. Yes, that is the Detroit Lions. They were fired by the Detroit Lions ( this of course can be seen as a plus or minus ).

Of the two Merit based hires, they most likely are Bowling Green buds.

What's the one thing over the past 5 years that is brought up with the Chiefs? They would be in the Super Bowl if they had a defense. For the past 6 years they have never been ranked above 16th in points allowed or yards allowed.

So our defensive coaches look like a mix of Detroit, KC, and the old Texans. That's not good.
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The point in taking the time to type all of this crap out is to say they have PROVEN NOTHING. They have a lot TO PROVE.
 
Proven Nothing??? Your right in one sense, but only one sense. Its true that Some of the staff havent proven things here as coaches - Not that NONE OF THEM have any experience in the job. It's not like a majority of the staff havent done these jobs or similar jobs anywhere else in the league as you assert. Joe Marciano's Special teams ranked 1st in the league last year and thats just one leftover. You dont even touch on most of the relevant experience they bring in at all. You can tilt the glass sideways and keep looking - Its your choice, but the facts are the staff has some experience bottom line.

I'll address your 4 positions :

Smith - Rookie GM - He served as the Broncos Assistant GM last year and served as the director of pro personnel for six seasons and a DB's coach with denver his first 4 years including the 2 superbowl wins.. He obviously has no experience in the job... Essentially he got a promotion and more decision power, yet all of sudden he has no experience in doing the job??? :sarcasm: :ok:

Kubiak - Rookie Head coach - Yep its true - Hes a rookie in the Coaching league and has done nothing to prove himself. OF course if you look at his respective past jobs - he has plenty of Coaching experience to bring in. It's not like his job changed much. His job is to coach players and run the offense - Kubiak is one of the best at doing these 2 jobs and has proven that fact over the last 10+ years with his records in Denver and San Fran including winning a few Superbowls as the OC with both teams. I would call that relevant job experience when I'm looking to hire someone for certain. Past experience is what you look for in any potential employee - Kubiak has plenty of experience in coaching.

Mike Sherman - Proven HC and the assistant HC here - Certainly not a rookie and has also earned [edit] a few division titles as an HC. Didnt see him listed in the rankings except as an Aggie buddy. I think you completely underestimate Sherman as a coach and mentor as he obvoiously has very good experience in the job and had a 57-39 win record as an HC almost the same as last years SB winner Bill Cowher.

Troy Calhoun - Rookie OC - You had no problem discounting other subordinates with Kubiak - This is another. He's not running the Offense - He's the QB coach. It's the same job he had in Denver. Kubiak will run the offense and has said as much in interviews here.

Richard Smith - DC 1 year - This will be his second year as the DC and his Miami D ranked 16th including 2nd in the league in sacks last year. Thats about 15 grades above where we were last year and a whole lot more sacks. Thats pretty good OJT and a pretty big jump in performance. He also coached Linebackers & Special teams with the Oilers and Broncos so has previous coaching experience also.

[edit] Spell checkers are a pain - Kubiac - Kubiak - bleh
 
Miami's defense wasn't "his" (as in Richard Smith's). Smith and Will Muschamp were basically co-coordinators implementing Saban's scheme. That's why Muschamp was forced out this year - because he wanted to be a real defensive coordinator somewhere (Auburn). This is Smith's first year as a DC with full DC authority.

Smith's defense will be better than Fangio's. It can't be worse.

The scuttlebut is that it will be a high risk - high reward system that will make a lot of big plays but will also give up a lot of big plays.
 
Kubiak.

Smith has how many years telling people what to do and how many years doing what he is told to do?

Mike Sherman was fired from who? Mike Sherman was not hired by what Hall of Fame coach? What losing coach beat him out for a head coaching job on a team that needs to be turned around?

Even the choice of Jauron as head coach didn’t come without a little disagreement and a lot of second guessing. Many felt former Bills player and New Orleans head coach Jim Haslett would’ve been a perfect fit, but he was never interviewed. Mike Sherman was but didn’t get the job despite having a winning record in five of his six seasons as the Packers coach. Instead the chore of turning the Bills around falls on the lap of Jauron, who had a winning season (13-3 in 2001) in exactly one of his five years as the Chicago Bears coach.

If the saying is true that a team will only go as far as the quarterback takes you, then the Bills could be in severe trouble.
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http://www.billszone.com/mtlog/arch...lo_bills_head_to_camp_with_many_questions.php

Sherman won ZERO Super Bowls as a head coach, as if that matters. If the assistant postion is such a big deal... then why is Dom Capers the assistant in Miami where Richard Smith was replaced? ( A. Saban's buddy for 30 years )

Green Bay is happy with Sherman gone.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/packers/2006-06-27-mccarthy-feature_x.htm

He started with a Super Bowl team and ended up with a 4-12 train wreck.

What do people think about him?

Unfortunately, Sherman's loyalty may have hurt the team a couple of times, as he has gained a reputation of hiring friends of his who are NFL coaches as assistants, regardless of their coaching ability.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sherman
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Richard Smith

Worked under Saban. Saban is a defensive coach just in case you don't follow football all that closely. Smith was fired from the 49ers, fired from Detriot, and replaced in Miami as a co-coordinator by Dom Capers!

Richard Smith has not had a single job on merit. He was hired in Miami because of Saban. He made it to Detroit under Mariucci. He's in Houston under Kubiak from the 49ers. Saban-Smith coached together in Houston under that chimp Jerry Glanville. He has yet to have a single season out on his own showing what he can do.
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They have a lot to prove.

When you see some little kid moving along upright and makes it to the Super Bowl with training wheels on, do you automatically assume that they can do the same thing without the training wheels?

No, they have to prove it.
 
phan1 said:
This is starting to get a little ridiculous. After Kubiak, we get Rick Smith, and then Strahm, who are all from Denver. This whole Denver affiliation is getting a little too much for me. I can't help feel that we are the poor man's Denver team right now.

Thankfully, Kubiak wants to build a championship defense, and it looks like ours won't be like Denver's. :) I don't remember hearing much about Denver D other than Champ Bailey highlights. Haven't they been trying to put together a good Dline for years now? Anyways, it's getting to be a little too much. Denver always looks like a team who's in the race for the Post season, but there are a few things I don't think they do that well.

Drafting is a biggie as the people who are going to be in charge of the draft are Denver guys. Sorry, but I don't remember Denver as being a team that drafts particularly well. It took them a really long time to find a servicable QB in Plummer, and it's not like I see any star players on that team. You got Al Wilson and that's pretty much it. It seems that they've been built totally around their running game. Time will tell of course, but the people who are going to be in charge of personnel are going to have a lot to prove.
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I thought you, much like the great majority of this board, wanted to win? Granted this is his first go as a head coach, Denver was always a contender in the time that he was there. I never really cared for Denver - they were one of the teams that dashed the Oilers playoff dreams, but I've got to give them their props. So if Kubiak and co. can bring that here and it translate into this team becoming a contender within the next year or 2, I really wouldn't care if we were playing like the Broncos. THEY'VE WON more times than we have.
 
The only uncomfortable feeling I'm sick of is that feeling of gut-wrenching disappointment, we've all had to endure these past seasons. Whatever it takes man, whatever it takes!

Also T-Chick, love you Texacos. That's some creative thinking. :)
 
I just don't care about forecasting the future, nor do the current events of hiring a few Broncos expatriates concern me.

First, I have already made my annual wager with my Poker Buddy that roots for those boys up North and is a Texans hater. (Winning Season)

Second, I have already paid for my tickets and I own 2 PSL's. Therefore, my opinion doesn’t financially matter as far as reducing any fixed expenditures are concerned.

So that leaves the variable costs of attending the game and I think my wife will grant me the simple pleasure of the $7 peanuts and a couple of cheerleader gyrations in exchange for the chance to see the Texans up close in one of the best venues in the NFL.
 
Texan Asylum said:
The only uncomfortable feeling I'm sick of is that feeling of gut-wrenching disappointment, we've all had to endure these past seasons. Whatever it takes man, whatever it takes!

Also T-Chick, love you Texacos. That's some creative thinking. :)
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Maybe your expectations were too high. As a season ticket holder, I was very happy with the inaugural season as well as the two seasons following. Heck, what were you expecting? The Super Bowl? "Gut-wrenching disappointment." Sheesh!
 
I am not sure what criteria people are using to say somebody got a job by "merit" versus being a "buddy." Generally, in both football and real life, the majority of good jobs you get are because you knew somebody that would vouch for you.

Joe Marciano, BTW, has worked with Capers and without Capers. He kept his job with the Texans by merit because his ST unit was ranked very highly in the league and has been one of the bright spots on the team. He is well liked by his players and administrative staff. (Very energetic upbeat guy).

Richard Smith is an interesting hire. He knows Kubiak through Smith's time in Denver as a ST coach. Smith has been in the league a long time but has a career of more of a generalist. I'm not sure of this hire, but from what I've heard their 4-3 is supposed to be really straightforward and easy to execute. I've also heard aggressive--high risk, reward. The defense is a bit of a question mark for me just because of the lack of a track record of a Smith D. I was told by an assistant coach that the D's personality would be a bit like Denver/Washington with a little bit of Miami.

I've seen Kyle Shanahan break down film on the offensive side of the ball, and basically he speaks like the only son of a brilliant football coach who also played the position in college that he is coaching. I could watch him all day talk about football stuff--it is lot of fun.

Here is my blog post about all the different people I could find on the Texans that had some tangential relationship to the Broncos. (apologies for the Clarett blast--it wasn't Rick Smith's pick):

Link: A Texans fan humbly apologizes to you Bronco folk
 
Texans_Chick said:
I am not sure what criteria people are using to say somebody got a job by "merit" versus being a "buddy." Generally, in both football and real life, the majority of good jobs you get are because you knew somebody that would vouch for you.
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A.) I am amused with your comment that seems to imply that football isn't "real life." B.) In most jobs, you generally get the job based on experience and proven ability -- not who you know. If you get it because of who you know, it's called cronyism. C.) Well written story regarding the dangers of cronyism in football:

http://www.johntreed.com/fttloyalty.html

Excerpts:

Commitment to cronyism
How are coaches disloyal to the hierarchy above? The most common and blatant disloyalty I have seen is cronyism.

Head coaches, as well as athletic directors and NFL owners, tend to hire their cronies regardless of their qualifications relative to the others who would have been interested in the job. I have seen coaches who bordered on worthless last for decades under a particular head coach. In most cases, their tenure got these assistants eventually promoted into positions of considerable responsibility, namely, they were coordinators of the defense or special teams, and less often, the offense.

I find this profoundly disturbing. Head coaches invariably promise their players, bosses, alumni, fans, students, media, etc. that they will leave no stone unturned in their pursuit of victories. With regard to hiring assistants, that means they will search the world over looking for the absolute best assistants. Then they hire a bunch of empty polo shirts whose main, or only, virtue is loyalty to and personal compatibility with the head coach in question. Typically, they worked together in the past maybe at the head coach’s last job. They have been sometimes comically loyal to the head coach so he is returning that loyalty to them-in spite of the fact that such hirings are acts of intense and blatant disloyalty to the organization, players, and supporters of the team in question.

At one school where I coached, one of the near worthless coaches was given to repeated pontificating in the presence of other coaches including the head guy, seemingly without provocation, on the supreme importantce of loyalty in coaching. My impression was that this guy was a one-trick pony and that loyalty to the boss was his only trick so he felt compelled to keep reminding the boss of his loyalty and pre-emptively trying to make the boss feel guilty if he ever had thoughts of firing Mr. Loyalty.

Would that work? He was still there after I left.

All new people
It is standard in football coaching for the new head coach to bring in his own people. Just like the newly elected president of the U.S. bringing all new people to the top echelons of the government. But then presidents are politicians. Are head football coaches supposed to so blatantly mimic politicians? Don’t they claim to be coaches first? Wouldn’t they deny being politicians except perhaps to joke, “Sometimes it seems like that.”

Do non-political professions bring in all new people when they take a job? When a guy becomes head of a construction company, does he replace all the supervisors and foremen? When someone becomes the new head of a hospital, do they fire all the doctors and get new ones? Did the new head of Hewlett-Packard fire all the engineers and managers when he took over?

The answer in these other professions is no, they do not replace everyone. They respect the expertise of the existing people and keep them in place. The reason head coaches in football generally replace everyone is that they want guys who are loyal to them and the previous guy hired guys who were loyal to him. This is a behavior pattern of politicians, not competent professionals.

Contrarianism
Choosing contrarian tactics and strategies increases a football team’s chances of winning. If a coach was loyal to the hierarchy above, he would always choose such contrarian tactics and strategies. But, in fact, head football coaches rarely do that. Why? They are being disloyal to their players, employers, etc. because they place saving their own ass above the interests of the team.

Conformity is more likely to lead to continued employment as a head coach so they conform even though it reduces the team’s chances of winning. Contrarianism may work. It may even work big time. Certainly there is little chance of conformity working big time, so contrarianism is the best chance for big-time success. Yet the coaches refuse to do it. They are being loyal to the head coach, that is, to themselves. They are taking care of Number One. The players of whom they daily demand “110%” are supposed to win in spite of the head coach’s unimaginative, me-too, take-no-career-risk approach.

Not conducive to innovation or change
My main point is that all this loyalty is the opposite of an atmosphere that encourages innovation and change from below. Head coaches generally surround themselves with yes men and sycophants.

There is a fine line between being loyal to your boss and sucking up to him. The loyalty they taught us at West Point was downward. You take care of your troops, including when they are being mistreated by your superiors. You stand up for them. Doing that takes moral courage. And the way you get loyalty from your troops upward-the right kind of loyalty, not ass kissing-is by first showing loyalty downward to them and thereby earning their loyalty.
 
Imaginary quote:

"Led by the devastating, four sack pass rush of Mario Williams, and the incredible arm of David Carr, the Houston Broncos have won their first Super Bowl. Andre Johnson led all receivers with 146 yards receiving on nine receptions, and Domanick Davis added 121 rushing yards on twenty-four carries. Coach Gary Kubiak credited the entire defense for an outstanding effort, and giving the offense plenty of opportunities to score......"

No. I've got no problem with it.
 
I'm giving all the coaches a clean slate.It don't mater where they come from or what they did.All that matters is they come down here with all odds against them and fight beside us live or die.texanpride
 
Who cares were they come from, I am happy we got coaches that know how to win and know what it takes. NEXT.
 
Texans_Chick said:
I am not sure what criteria people are using to say somebody got a job by "merit" versus being a "buddy." Generally, in both football and real life, the majority of good jobs you get are because you knew somebody that would vouch for you.

I was told by an assistant coach that the D's personality would be a bit like Denver/Washington with a little bit of Miami.
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Merit means you were hired more for your ability and track record for what you have done in what you will be doing. What you have done speaks for you, not your vouching buddies.

Buddy means you got the job over a different guy with more ability and merit, because you are the buddy. Your vouching buddies speak about you over what you have done, your merit.
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I am not sure what you are talking about with football and real life??? Football is real life. You don't strike me for being much of Madden player either.
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Buddy system is not inferior to merit system. Kubiak could very well make the buddy system work for him, but to start saying you have a bunch of proven winners is crazy talk. We have a bunch of rookies that have various degrees of success, this in no way means instant winning. We don't know if we have a Dave Campo or a John Fox.

Our previous coaches were great coaches, but they didn't work with Casserly and whatever screwed up management system we had in place.

Don't wanna listen to me right? That's cool.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/SPORTS/606280380/1002/sports
Miami players have said it's obvious Mularkey and Capers are former head coaches because of the way they talk. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Center Rex Hadnot said Mularkey is stern and to the point, just like Saban. Hadnot added that it helps to have the same message repeated over and over, so it sinks in. Defensive players can't wait to pick Capers' brain because of his past success working a system very similar to the one they're running now.

"He brings a lot of knowledge and experience, and he's been through a lot, coached a lot of great players, a lot of great teams, a lot of great defenses," Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor said. "The guys last year did a great job, but Dom brings an added experience.

"Like I said, he coached some great clubs before and he brings that here and can teach us a lot of things. I know I'll be leaning on Dom to learn a lot more to get through training camp."
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So the system works in Miami, but doesn't work in Houston? What gives there?
 
TwinSisters said:
Merit means you were hired more for your ability and track record for what you have done in what you will be doing. What you have done speaks for you, not your vouching buddies.

Buddy means you got the job over a different guy with more ability and merit, because you are the buddy. Your vouching buddies speak about you over what you have done, your merit.
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I am not sure what you are talking about with football and real life??? Football is real life. You don't strike me for being much of Madden player either.
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Buddy system is not inferior to merit system. Kubiak could very well make the buddy system work for him, but to start saying you have a bunch of proven winners is crazy talk. We have a bunch of rookies that have various degrees of success, this in no way means instant winning. We don't know if we have a Dave Campo or a John Fox.

Our previous coaches were great coaches, but they didn't work with Casserly and whatever screwed up management system we had in place.

Don't wanna listen to me right? That's cool.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060628/SPORTS/606280380/1002/sports


So the system works in Miami, but doesn't work in Houston? What gives there?
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Because Capers let Fangio run a cover 2 out of our 3-4 rather than running the aggressive defense that he used to run in Pittsburgh and Carolina.
 
Most of the great coaches in this league got their shot because they were somebody's "buddy" at some point. We do seem to have a lot of "buddys", but I'm chalking that up to the fact that we run a somewhat unconventional system and there aren't as many people who are familiar with it to choose from.
 
MorKnolle said:
Because Capers let Fangio run a cover 2 out of our 3-4 rather than running the aggressive defense that he used to run in Pittsburgh and Carolina.
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Could be, but I disagree.

I think he had a bunch numbnuts "that had to think too much" and then on top of that had too many injuries to deal with. The wrong guys for the right plan, not the other way around.
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Here's a classic merit VS buddy hire from another thread

Criticized by some in the league for the fat contract that he used to pry coveted offensive line coach Hudson Houck away from the San Diego Chargers a year ago, Dolphins coach Nick Saban sat in a golf cart after a recent minicamp practice and, with a full year's perspective on which to rely, concluded that he and the Dolphins' organization got the better end of the deal.

"It's the position on your staff where a good, detailed [assistant coach] can make the biggest difference," Saban said. "By definition, any offensive line coach is working with the poorest athletes on your football team. But by creating camaraderie, working on technique, motivating, he can make guys better collectively than they probably are as individuals. That's why the good (offensive line coaches) are at such a premium."

Essentially, that summed up the job Houck did in 2005, taking a relatively motley and undistinguished group of blockers and cobbling them into a unit good enough to succeed. That the Dolphins achieved a No. 14 statistical ranking in total offense was, in large part, due to his efforts.

His reward: Now Houck, who has carved out an impressive coaching career by remaking offensive lines wherever he has worked, gets to do it all over again.
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http://www.miamidolphins.com/lockerroom/coachingstaff/coachingstaff_houck_h.asp

Who did we hire?

http://www.houstontexans.com/team/coaches_detail.php?PRKey=228&section=TH Coaches

Colorado State and the Rams. A guy from the school Kubiak's son attends and looks up to Kubiak for tutelage.

NFL coaches want Houck on merit. Benton is being given a chance by his buddy.

This is not to be confused that Benton cannot get the job done, but nor should it be for proven winner.
 
I'm not sure if someone already posted these statistics (it's soooo many replies that I couldnt catch it) so I'm gonna do it..

Denver Stats (For The Entire NFL):
Yards Per Game = 5th
Yards Per Play = 4th
Time Of Possesion = 1st

Points Per Game = 7th
Total TDS = 5th
Rushing TDs = 3rd

Rushing Yards = 2nd
Rushing Avg = 2nd
Rushing yards per Game = 2nd
Rushing First Downs = 1st
20+ Yards Rushes = 5th

Defense
Passing TDS Allowed = 6th
Rushing Yards Allowed = 2nd
Rushing Avg Allowed = 2nd
Rushing TDS allowed = 10th
Rushes 20+ Yards = 6th

Tackeaways = 3rd
Interceptions = 6th
 
HeartofHouston said:
I'm not sure if someone already posted these statistics (it's soooo many replies that I couldnt catch it) so I'm gonna do it..

Denver Stats (For The Entire NFL):
Yards Per Game = 5th
Yards Per Play = 4th
Time Of Possesion = 1st

Points Per Game = 7th
Total TDS = 5th
Rushing TDs = 3rd

Rushing Yards = 2nd
Rushing Avg = 2nd
Rushing yards per Game = 2nd
Rushing First Downs = 1st
20+ Yards Rushes = 5th

Defense
Passing TDS Allowed = 6th
Rushing Yards Allowed = 2nd
Rushing Avg Allowed = 2nd
Rushing TDS allowed = 10th
Rushes 20+ Yards = 6th

Tackeaways = 3rd
Interceptions = 6th
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If you want to copy a team, then maybe Houston should rip off a more successful team such as the Patriots or Steelers. Personally, I'd like to see a team that has its OWN character rather than watching a squad that's guilty of identity theft.
 
AFD1717 said:
Most of the great coaches in this league got their shot because they were somebody's "buddy" at some point. We do seem to have a lot of "buddys", but I'm chalking that up to the fact that we run a somewhat unconventional system and there aren't as many people who are familiar with it to choose from.
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Unconverntional? Heck, they run the same kind of thing in ... where was that again? Denver? Sorry, not so "unconventional." This thing smacks of cronyism from the GM all the way down to the assistant coaches.
 
Hulk75 said:
Who cares were they come from, I am happy we got coaches that know how to win and know what it takes. NEXT.
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What coaches "know how to win?" The majority are very, very inexperienced. You should care where they came from because cronyism hurts the team's chances of winning.
 
rafterticket said:
Imaginary quote:

"Led by the devastating, four sack pass rush of Mario Williams, and the incredible arm of David Carr, the Houston Broncos have won their first Super Bowl. Andre Johnson led all receivers with 146 yards receiving on nine receptions, and Domanick Davis added 121 rushing yards on twenty-four carries. Coach Gary Kubiak credited the entire defense for an outstanding effort, and giving the offense plenty of opportunities to score......"

No. I've got no problem with it.
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So how does an "imaginary quote" make you feel good about cronyism? :brickwall
 
phan1 said:
This is starting to get a little ridiculous. After Kubiak, we get Rick Smith, and then Strahm, who are all from Denver. This whole Denver affiliation is getting a little too much for me. I can't help feel that we are the poor man's Denver team right now.

Thankfully, Kubiak wants to build a championship defense, and it looks like ours won't be like Denver's. :) I don't remember hearing much about Denver D other than Champ Bailey highlights. Haven't they been trying to put together a good Dline for years now? Anyways, it's getting to be a little too much. Denver always looks like a team who's in the race for the Post season, but there are a few things I don't think they do that well.

Drafting is a biggie as the people who are going to be in charge of the draft are Denver guys. Sorry, but I don't remember Denver as being a team that drafts particularly well. It took them a really long time to find a servicable QB in Plummer, and it's not like I see any star players on that team. You got Al Wilson and that's pretty much it. It seems that they've been built totally around their running game. Time will tell of course, but the people who are going to be in charge of personnel are going to have a lot to prove.
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When you draft 15th or later every year don't get the top choices. Not necessarily a good thing, but I'll take it!
 
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