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Who do you want as the new OC?

TexansBull said:
Is there some sort of S2 test for coordinators? To see what plays they would call in certain situations?

Or did I just describe Madden?
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"Johnson's playcalling was criticized throughout the season, with pundits and players calling Johnson's offense too simplistic and akin to a Madden offense with the way Johnson repeatedly relied on screen passes and go routes instead of scheming players open."
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
"Johnson's playcalling was criticized throughout the season, with pundits and players calling Johnson's offense too simplistic and akin to a Madden offense with the way Johnson repeatedly relied on screen passes and go routes instead of scheming players open."
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steelbtexan said:
Stoerner's teammate and replaced Stoerner after he graduated at Baytown Lee. Played und Dick Olin who ran basically a spread/run and shoot offense. I expected more out of him with the Eagles. They made the SB under Siriani and Moore, missed the SB with Johnson as OC. Pass.
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What are you sad about JB?

Did you read Acres Homes post about Brian Johnson upthread?

Why would you want to hire him?
 
Brian Johnson the best of a very poor class of candidates. At least he has called plays, although there seems to be some red flags too.

To be more clear, I’m not implying that none of these fine people won’t make a great OC. Im saying we don’t know.

And with a defensive HC, I’m not willing to turn the whole show over to a green hand in an experiment to find out. We did that once and got burned. The fact that they want to repeat the same mistake is disconcerting but I think we are all about to be disappointed. This hire is likely happening within the next several days.

At this point, if a guy like Kelly, Pedersen, Leftwich et al was in play I think we would know. This is likely the best opening at OC in this cycle, so I’m guessing the Texans aren’t reaching out to these types. They want to double down on their first foolish hire.

Nick….your on the clock and it’s ticking.
 
If we are going the greenhorn way…Calen is probably my first choice. The Syracuse guy, Nixon, is probably runner up. Brian Johnson is the only experienced guy to speak of, and it wasn’t great, but what has he learned and could he be better. So one of those 3. I have zero interest in any of the others.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
"Johnson's playcalling was criticized throughout the season, with pundits and players calling Johnson's offense too simplistic and akin to a Madden offense with the way Johnson repeatedly relied on screen passes and go routes instead of scheming players open."
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Yeah... we don't need none of that nonsense here.
 
If there is a thread for this already, please merge. I haven't seen a thread with a central focus on the offense of the future.

First order is to find an OC...


One guy I'd like to see get an interview is Shannon Dawson from Miami. He's had a lot of offensive success on the college level and was the QB coach at UofH when Tank was there.


In the NCAA Miami this past season was 1st in yds/gm, 3rd in passing yds/gm and around 30ish in rushing ypg and #1 in points per game.

Dawson, who was named offensive coordinator / quarterbacks coach at Miami in February 2023, spent the previous four seasons at the University of Houston, including the last three as offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach. He joined the program as tight ends coach at Houston in January 2019 after three seasons as offensive coordinator at Southern Miss.

In Dawson’s three seasons as quarterbacks coach with the Cougars (2020-22), Houston quarterbacks combined to throw 87 touchdown passes (13th nationally) behind a 65.3 completion percentage (19th nationally) and 10,008 passing yards (21st nationally). Dawson tutored signal caller Clayton Tune to a record-setting career. In 2022, Tune set the American Athletic Conference single-season touchdown passes record (40). The first-team all-conference honoree ranked third nationally in passing touchdowns, third in total offense (355.2) and fifth in passing yards per game (313.4).

Dawson’s Cougars ranked eighth nationally in passing offense (314.0) this past season. Houston wide receiver Nathaniel Dell led the nation in receiving touchdowns (17) and receiving yards (1,398) while Matthew Golden set a Houston true freshman record with seven receiving touchdowns.

Houston ranked 15th nationally in scoring offense (35.6), 22nd in first downs offense (314), 23rd in passing offense (271.6) and 25th in red zone offense (.891).

In his final year at Southern Miss (2018), Dawson helped guide the Golden Eagles as the No. 3 team nationally in completion percentage, completing 69.2 percent of their passes. Sophomore quarterback Jack Abraham ranked third in the league and 22nd nationally with an average of 260.8 passing yards per game while leading the nation with a completion percentage of 73.1 percent and ranking fourth nationally with 24.8 completions per game. Sophomore receiver Quez Watkins earned first team All-Conference USA honors after finishing second in the league with nine touchdown receptions while true freshman center Trace Clopton earned FWAA Freshman All-America honors.

Despite missing his starting quarterback for three games and in limited action in two more contests in 2017, the Golden Eagles were still able to amass 424.6 total yards per game, just behind league champion Florida Atlantic and West Division champ North Texas. His efforts also helped former Golden Eagle Ito Smith become just the 10th running back in FBS history to rush for over 4,000 yards and collect at least 1,000 receiving yards.
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Shannon Dawson

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Any names besides the ones we've heard already folks want to see considered?
 
JB said:
Never said I wanted to hire him. Just think it's sad because you dismiss him because he didn't take the Eagles as far as a Barkley led team went.
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The Eagles made the SB the yr before Johnson became OC.

Should've won the SB.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Eagles made the SB the yr before Johnson became OC.

Should've won the SB.
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Yes and then they lost Hargrave, Linval Joseph, Gardner-Johnson and a few key pieces on offense. The defense fell to 26th under Patricia (who was also fired). Just saying the Eagles not making it to the SB is a poor reason to exclude Johnson

In 2023, the Eagles offense ranked eighth in the league in total offense (354.4 total yards per game), third in third down offense (48 percent) and first in fourth down offense (73.08 percent).
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JB said:
Yes and then they lost Hargrave, Linval Joseph, Gardner-Johnson and a few key pieces on offense. The defense fell to 26th under Patricia (who was also fired). Just saying the Eagles not making it to the SB is a poor reason to exclude Johnson

In 2023, the Eagles offense ranked eighth in the league in total offense (354.4 total yards per game), third in third down offense (48 percent) and first in fourth down offense (73.08 percent).
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A great bunch of numbers. The offense fell off of a cliff at the end of the year. Look at the playoff game against the Bucs as an example.
 
Mr teX said:
No, he got the philly job based on what he did under Reid that 1 year he was there...which you can take that with a grain of salt considering every OC has success under Reid.


See my post about McCarthy and Dallas' offense.. Fools gold.... Team went 9-8 off a weak division and last place sched. ran up the score & stats when playing against bad teams and struggled to do a whole lot against legit contenders...& his offenses only got worse thereafter in both Philly and Jax. The Wade Phillips effect. Once teams get a bead on what you like to do, how do you counter. For both Wade & Pederson, it seems there is no counter & there are no answers except for "guys go out there and make a play.." & well, wasn't Slowik just fired for that?


Can't poo poo his lack of success as a HC but give him credit for something that may or may not have been all him. But lets say for arguments sake i approach your statement with an open mind. It then Just really depends on how much credit you want to give him specifically. There is a thought that what you say above actually makes him look worse. Both Wentz and Lawrence were top 2 picks & yet these guys under his direct tutelage didn't really improve as players...they actually regressed. Wentz was an MVP candidate in 2017 came back and Pederson couldn't get him back to that level. Lawrence had a small improvement from terrible to serviceable & hasn't really taken the next step. IOW, He ain't really coaching these young talented guys up...& i don't know if that's what you want for CJ.

The other thing is Pederson's greatest success he had Frank Reich with him as his OC. I think 2017 for both those guys was a lighting in a bottle situation. Since each went their separate ways....away from Philly...which is a top level org these days, neither has enjoyed much success. Then you look at Sirianni going to his 2nd SB in his tenure...does anyone think he's some kind of offensive guru? Me thinks the Philly org propped up Pederson to be better than he was.
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How successful do you think Siriani would be without Hurts?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If there is a thread for this already, please merge. I haven't seen a thread with a central focus on the offense of the future.

First order is to find an OC...


One guy I'd like to see get an interview is Shannon Dawson from Miami. He's had a lot of offensive success on the college level and was the QB coach at UofH when Tank was there.


In the NCAA Miami this past season was 1st in yds/gm, 3rd in passing yds/gm and around 30ish in rushing ypg and #1 in points per game.


Shannon Dawson

miamihurricanes.com miamihurricanes.com


Any names besides the ones we've heard already folks want to see considered?
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I feel like this post and any further post until we know our new OC would be better in the “who do you want as our new OC?” thread.

Impossible to discuss the 2025 O further until we know who is going to be designing it.

From what I see of the candidates, we still can’t be certain what system we will run, what blocking scheme we will run etc.
 
welsh texan said:
I feel like this post and any further post until we know our new OC would be better in the “who do you want as our new OC?” thread.

Impossible to discuss the 2025 O further until we know who is going to be designing it.

From what I see of the candidates, we still can’t be certain what system we will run, what blocking scheme we will run etc.
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Didnt see that thread. Merge away.
 
welsh texan said:
This guy is the most compelling of the “up-and-comers” to me so far.
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It seems like every team is trying to find the next wunderkind Mcvay coach. Such a difficult ask. And if you are staking your rookie QB contract Super Bowl window on it then it gets even more difficult. Ultimately this hire will define the DeMeco/Nick/Stroud era.

Slowik as OC can get you to the divisional round. The next OC needs to get further.
 
Regarding Brian Johnson’s 2023 Eagles stint:

Stat wise the performance was good. But Eagles fell off a cliff after starting the year strong. There were many reasons for that. Super Bowl hangover, issues with play calling both offensively and defensively, injuries (AJ Brown out for playoff game).

They clearly turned it around this year. My question is, “Would that offense be humming with Johnson at OC?”

Having Barkley certainly helps. As does Fangio running the top defense this season.

I’d say Johnson would have done just as good a job as Kellen Moore this season. Moore has been criticized as well, but Saquon and a Fangio defense cover up some flaws.
 
Porky said:
Brian Johnson the best of a very poor class of candidates. At least he has called plays, although there seems to be some red flags too.

To be more clear, I’m not implying that none of these fine people won’t make a great OC. Im saying we don’t know.

And with a defensive HC, I’m not willing to turn the whole show over to a green hand in an experiment to find out. We did that once and got burned. The fact that they want to repeat the same mistake is disconcerting but I think we are all about to be disappointed. This hire is likely happening within the next several days.

At this point, if a guy like Kelly, Pedersen, Leftwich et al was in play I think we would know. This is likely the best opening at OC in this cycle, so I’m guessing the Texans aren’t reaching out to these types. They want to double down on their first foolish hire.

Nick….your on the clock and it’s ticking.
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I don't know if the Texans are one of these teams

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'Multiple Teams' Have Inquired About Potentially Hiring Doug Pederson As OC

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports that "multiple teams" have inquired about Doug Pederson for an offensive coordinator role this cycle. According to Fowler, it's unclear whether Pederson is interested in offensive coordinator jobs, but it hasn't
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TheRealJoker V2 said:
It seems like every team is trying to find the next wunderkind Mcvay coach. Such a difficult ask. And if you are staking your rookie QB contract Super Bowl window on it then it gets even more difficult. Ultimately this hire will define the DeMeco/Nick/Stroud era.

Slowik as OC can get you to the divisional round. The next OC needs to get further.
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yeah...imo, the Texans had a more of a problem of handling the basics of offensive football than the fancy spit or creating explosive plays. Picking up stunts, having a plan against the blitz, positive yardage run plays. for me, this is why I wanted the more experienced guy even if sacrificing the next wunderkind.
 
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leebigeztx said:
How successful do you think Siriani would be without Hurts?
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Not 2 SB appearances in 3 years successful that’s for sure.

What I’ve been getting at with Pederson in the last couple of posts is what is HIS feather in his hat?

Can’t really say winning a SB b/c Reich was there with him and got his 1st HC gig off of that too

Can’t really say he’s got HC experience & knows how to build out an offense b/c he’s been pretty mediocre to bad in 2 stops in that role and his offenses peter out after the 1st year.

Can’t say he develops young QB’s b/c ..well he didn’t in Wentz and Lawrence.

The only thing you can point to is his experience in actually calling plays as a OC…which has been shaky at best.

& I guess u can give him full credit for getting Lawrence from god awful to mediocre as a QB..that’s really it.
 
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It’s too soon for this Grant kid. He’s baby Shanny from the Kubiak era, but baby Shanny had Kubes to lean on, not to mention being around football his entire life with Daddy Shanny.

Grant may be great…but it’s beyond foolish to hire him now with a defensive HC. We need an experienced head coach of the offense type not some Jr ROTC recruit fresh out of HS. But sometimes you interview guys with an eye on the future. Just like you interview guys in the draft that you won’t have a shot at drafting….intel for the future.

My order is Johnson for his experience…close behind Calen, and then Nixon. Not totally thrilled with any of these but I can get behind any of these 3 if there isn’t a surprise behind door #2.
 
Noone’s really thrilled with any of the names b/c they are/were previously relatively unknown guys. Doesn’t mean they can’t do the job.

I don’t know any of the guys we’ve interviewed well enough to make a judgement on them or not…well except for Jerrod Johnson….& I don’t know what to think about him moving into the role honestly..if I had to choose I’d probably wanna go outside the org…but again, I don’t know if any of these guys are up for the task.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
yeah...imo, the Texans had a more of a problem of handling the basics of offensive football than the fancy spit or creating explosive plays. Picking up stunts, having a plan against the blitz, positive yardage run plays. for me, this is why I wanted the more experienced guy even if sacrificing the next wunderkind.
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Preach to the masses.

None of the guys interviewed so far have called one play in the NFL. Not good for a team with SB aspirations.

Minus Brian Johnson who failed in Philly.
 
beerlover said:
Think a lot of us might get Jeff Nixon & Joe Mixon mixed up, but he has the resume & would be huge for Stroud, ball out quickly & get more out of this WR room as a whole. Downside would be running attack, but grab a stud early to go with Mixon surely better!
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Nixon has piqued my interest..
 
Lucky said:
Well, what's Reich's feather? Do you have to hire both to make an offense work?
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That’s sort of my point. Both those guys together did something that was special & truthfully somewhat unexpected..especially when Wentz went down. But We only need 1 of them & both on their own have proven to be not so great.
 
Mr teX said:
That’s sort of my point. Both those guys together did something that was special & truthfully somewhat unexpected..especially when Wentz went down. But We only need 1 of them & both on their own have proven to be not so great.
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I come down on the side of @AcresHomesTexan 's point. I want the basics taken care of. Getting the protections right. Ensuring there's a hot read on blitzes. Checking into the right play when the defense shows a different look. Get this done and worry about the avant garde schemes later. That's why I prefer an OC that has the experience to get the little things down. Because the little things can become big things if not corrected.
 
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